It’s odd to see such a gap between Buick and Chevy given 3/4 Buick offerings in the US are shared platforms with Chevy (Envista-Trax, Encore-Trailblazer, and Enclave-Traverse). I wonder if Chevy’s other offerings drag them down.

It’s a shame they stopped making sedans. Owned a 2006 and currently a 2013 LaCrosse. Night and day. Close to 100,000 miles, routine maintenance except for a vacuum hose and brake calipers(kept outside and NE winters), and an A/C compressor

There are many ways to play these numbers. Some brands say change brake fluid over 3 years in the main guide... others don't. "Lifetime" trans fluid...

Most cars are similar. Do the brake fluid liste or not. Find out spark plug change interval as that varies. Don't rely too much on numbers. I owned a Buick, and Lexus, and Cadillac, and Lincoln. Cadillac XTS has been by far the cheapest over 9 years. No timing belt, spark plugs oncem coolant twice, etc. Even with AWD it has been a breeze. Even so, I needed new struts and to get OE (and they are magnetic ride control) they were a fortune.

Look for reliability with maintenance. Except EVs, all cars are similar: oil, brake fluid changes, trans fluid, spark plugs, coolant, air/cabin filters. Add extra for AWD and nmaybe cvts needing more fluid changes. Consider hybrid battery replacement risk if you keep the car ages. If a car still uses a timing belt (Buick Envista supposedly at 150k) factor that in...

I liked my Buick, but doubt it is inherently cheaper in the long run.

I couldn't tell you because according to the commercial, buick does not look like a Buick, and it is like a good thing. So everytime I look for a Buick, I never see one. "Is that a buick your driving". Of course not because it is a buick that does not look like a buick.

Unless you bought it used.

Press X to Doubt.

Edit: I'm totally sure a 2017 Lacrosse is worth more than it was new...

Damn some of y'all are dense, this doesn't take a genius to figure out that a nearly 10y/o Impala based sedan didn't age well when considering residual values...

Your local salesperson has a great day when you walk in the door, I'm sure.

Indeed. I have been in an Impala. The XTS AWD helps torque steer, and the car is comfortable. Having owned a Lesabre before, the XTS came closest, and other Cadillacs (CTS etc.) seemed less reliable. I tried a 2016 Lacrosse and it was very smooth but felt even smaller, with bad visibility. (17 didn't do it for me either). The MRC is unfortunate but the car has been good. I've had ct5s as loaners and they don;t do it for me, even if they are a "real" Cadillac. At 28k for a 1 year old XTS with 25k miles on it, it was in retrospect a great value.

Roadmaster 1991-96

Electra 225 mid 60s

Buick 6 Special, early 60s

Regal/Grand National/T Type 1983-89 (?)

Park Ave 1991-96

Lesabre (any, but I'm partial to 92-95 3800 Series I)

Buick roadmaster

Lesabre

Regal TourX,

Anything with a 3800 in it.

REALLY big in China and also Buick is for the mid level professionals that want to look sharp and have some luxury without the cost and pretentiousness associated with Cadillac

It's the brand that won't die.

I bought an Oldsmobile, they killed it off.

Later I bought a Saturn, they killed it off.

Then I bought a Buick, and they just can't seem to find a way....

It is the case. You can find varied datasets, this one is from 10 years ago so it’s a bit outdated. The average Buick customer was 60.3 in 2013. Only Lincoln had older customers

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/10/04/24-7-wall-st-cars-oldest-buyers/16587437/#:~:text=With%20an%20average%20customer%20age,any%20other%20non%2Dluxury%20vehicle.

Huge in China! It’s a Status symbol if you own a Buick there. Maybe the equivalent to some sort of luxury foreign car here. I know for a while they were buying up all the classic Buicks they could get their hands on.

Old people fucking love Buicks

What is the envista then? I notice a lot of similar components with other GM vehicles. Among new cars (work at multiple dealers,mostly big 3 and little bit of foreign market, I love it. Makes me think of an upgraded Chevy trax which with the knee ones I wouldn’t complain of owning

Even the rear bench does it me. My first Buick was an 06 Allure, and the rear seat(s) had never been used. Like having a giant portable plush couch.

I've owned 2 LeSabres (98 & 2000) and a 99 Park Avenue. They had the most comfortable seats and the smoothest ride of the many cars I've owned.

Its varies from brand to brand, model to model, and person to person.

Here is a weird example:

Many years ago I had a 2004 caravan. Seats were nice, about at comfortable as a well supported office chair.

I got a Dodge journey following that, and I loved the seats. When It was totaled, I wanted to find a car with as comfortable seats. For some reason, I really liked Jeep Cherokee seats and Buick seats meet or exceeded my comfort.

Later, I lived in Germany an drove a Chinese Nio ET7, and it was perfect for me. Later in the trip I had a Mercedes EQA, and it wasn't bad, but it lacked the "omg this is comfortable" feeling of the Buick, and Chinese cars.

Tldr: I like Buick seats, but comfort is a subjective opinion, and it depends on who's sitting, what car they're in, and how they react to the seat.

lucerne back seats are awesome, i just wish they were heated. i think they come that way on the super if i'm not wrong

i love the seats in my enclave

Well I have a 95 Roadmaster, so I'll say Roadmasters. But I love a boat tail Riviera to no end. I've owned a few cars that have the 3800 engine and all have been great. I liked my 97 Regal more than my 05 Lacrosse with the 3800 though.

1987 GNX, thats my personal unicorn.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a33502193/tested-1987-buick-gnx/

Regal GS

If it ain’t got a straight-8, it’s not great! lol

I have enjoyed all the Roadmasters we’ve had, excellent tow vehicles.

Boat tail is definitely up there with the greatest.

I’d say anything with a 3800 shoved in it. Really great engine that never seems to quit.

I have the sister car a ‘24 2RS Trax with 30k on it, 18 months old and I am on the highway everyday 80 miles round trip, plenty of power. If the three cylinder continues to treat me well my next one will be the Envista ST. The Buick comes with more amenities than the Trax.

Nice!!! I hit 1 yr in early July. I am just hitting 37500 and needing oil change, prob tomorrow night.

No big complaints at all, and gas mileage is awesome.

Its gorgeous! We are nearly at the one year mark with our ST and absolutely love it. No complaints. Tremendous value.

Guys. Serious question for you. One concern I have is the speed. Is the Envista really as slow ‘some’ folks claim?

If this color was in the preferred, I would've done this color

Buicks are underrated if you’re not into speed or performance imo. Go for it!

It's Buicks best model, apparently quality control on China is better than American models

I'm not a huge fan of Buick, but my wife's folks has a 2017 of one of these and its held up great. The interior is very comfortable too.

That’s a story and a half lol. The Buicks a steal. Most people buying a German car for the badge anyway

You had 9 Buick dealerships close to you?

American car manufacturers must be desperate. Dropping below MSRP is unheard of in this market

How did you manage to negotiate that deal? Lol I'm interested in a Buick now.

That's crazy- I would have thought it was made in MX alongside the Blazer. Buick's line in China has been in production for something on the order of 22 years, because Buick is probably one of the most important brands to GM in that market.

$5200 off of MSRP? Go for it! I'm not too big on GM, but the Buicks are a decent amount more reliable

Trivia Time!!

Buick is the most popular American car in China because it was the preferred car of famous Chinese political figures back in the 1950's.

Buick frequently tops reliability charts next to Lexus. You don't know what you're talking about, especially calling German cars reliable. 😂

I bought one of these for like $4200 equivalent when I still lived in the UK. Seems this Buick model has barely changed since the 2009 versions we had in Europe!

buick pretty much just imported & rebadged vauxhalls/opels for the past couple decades, decent cars but weird to position them towards old people.

especially when they had just killed off saab, you'd think they would want to use these for an "import" brand of some form instead of trying to american-ize them.

I’ve got a 2012 Buick Verano base level, and it gets going pretty quick for what it is.

GS still commands a premium in many markets. If you can get one, go for it. The final spec GS cars on the last generation (with the V6) are excellent too.

To be clear, I would have recommended GM RWD at the time they were made. G8, Caprice PPV, Camaro, ATS/CTS. They're all better...

... But today they're also much more expensive.

I daily a 2016 Regal Turbo Premium that I bought 4 years ago for $17k with 30k miles on it. I've put a little over 40K on it and it's been a very good car, only needed basic maintenance aside from a bad coil pack that failed, which that was a cheap fix.

The 2.0L Turbo is a zippy little engine, plenty of power for the size of the car (259HP, 295FT Torque), great on the highway, and honestly she's no slouch when you step on it! It does get mediocre gas mileage and you do notice a difference in power if you don't get premium fuel (it's not required, but recommended). The interior is a step above a Malibu, the backseat is cramped for adult sized humans, but heated leather seats and Apple CarPlay are standard features on that trim.

If you're thinking this car will be a couch on wheels like older Buicks, you'll be disappointed. Like others pointed out, this is basically a rebadged Opel Insignia with a few extra niceties to make it "upscale", so you can expect a more firm European ride and handling from it.

I don't have any brand loyalty or favorites, so I look at the Regal as a solid European car with an American car depreciated price tag. I'm happy with mine and I'll keep it until it's a rusted pile of crap that isn't road worthy. Hope this helps!

My dad bought a brand new 1972 Buick Limited when I was a kid. Fanciest car I'd ever seen. Power everything, leather, all the gadgets. It was eventually stolen and burnt to a crisp by some gangsters my dad pissed off.

1964 Skylark

1965 Riviera GS

GS 455

GNX

'58 Caballero or '59 Electra.