TL;DR
Current Options and Limitations
Cordless belt sanders are limited in availability due to the high energy consumption required for sanding. Milwaukee currently offers a cordless model, but users have expressed concerns about its balance and dust collection [2]. Dewalt is reportedly releasing a cordless model soon, which may appeal to those already invested in their battery system
[1:1]. Meanwhile, Kobalt's cordless sander is suggested as a temporary option
[1:1].
Energy Consumption Considerations
Belt sanders require significant power due to the friction forces involved in sanding. This makes them less ideal for cordless operation unless they have sufficient battery capacity (measured in watt-hours) [1:3]. Users often find that corded models offer better performance for prolonged use, especially when connected to a dust collection system
[3:6],
[2:5].
Alternative Solutions
For those seeking a cordless option, using adapters to connect different battery systems might be a viable workaround. Makita offers an 18V battery-powered belt sander that can be adapted to work with Dewalt batteries [4:5]. Additionally, Ryobi's discontinued BE-321 model can still be found used and may serve as a suitable option for some users
[1:2].
Corded vs. Cordless Debate
The consensus among many users is that while cordless tools offer convenience, corded models generally provide better performance for heavy-duty tasks like sanding [3:6],
[2:5]. For extensive projects, having a corded sander connected to a vacuum system ensures efficient dust removal and continuous operation without battery constraints
[5:11].
I thought I pretty much had all of the tools I needed. Nope, apparently I need a belt sander too. Can someone recommend a good one?
I was hoping to get a cordless model, but aside from the detail sanders, looks like Milwaukee is the only brand with one available, and I haven't bought into their battery system yet. Most of my gear is DeWalt with some 40V Makita gear.
Ryobi BE-321, yes Ryobi.
No longer made, easy to find used.
I have several.
Belt sanders create huge friction forces which consume a lot of energy. Not really ideal for cordless tool. However, voltage is less important than the total energy (Wh) capacity.
Thanks guys. Sounds like I'll have to settle for corded!
Dewalt has a cordless one on the way, I currently use a Kobalt cordless to hold me over until that day. It works pretty well though.
My old old ryobi sander has bitten the dust. I need a new one. I have since switched over to the Milwaukee platform so I would love to switch over to their cordless model but I have read mixed reviews especially about the balance Of it with the battery pack and the dust collection. Looking for thoughts from people who have used it before as far battery life, dust collection(with shop vac) and how it feels in the hand. I use cubitron paper. If the Milwaukee isn’t a good option I would probably look at corded versions because It seems like a slippery slope adding another battery platform to the mix. So, any recommendations on corded models would be appreciated as well.
The corded Milwaukee orbital sander is great!
I have my ROS units all corded because I always run them attached to a vacuum hose. It never seems worth the extra costs of a battery to get cordless
If you're doing touch up sanding in the field it's fine. For something in the shop you can do much better, and like /u/tmpee said cordless makes no sense since you should have it hooked up to dust collection for best results.
If you're not going for Mirka and Festool, Bosch and Makita make good sanders that costs less.
Cordless sander always seemed silly to me….why burn batteries when you should have it hooked up to a dust collector anyway? Just a thought.
If you're a hobbyist, you may find that the even less expensive ROS sanders from Vevor and Maxxt are suitable. I've been using the 5mm orbit Maxxt for over a year and I'm pleased as punch with it. I'm not sure how it would hold up sanding dining room tables 4 days a week but 2-3 hours a week on furniture finishing has been a breeze.
The only thing I've replaced has been the pad itself after the first year and that was done preemptively.
Hey guys, getting into wood working. My last hobby was working on cars so i have a bunch of m12 and m18 Milwaukee batterys. I want to get some tools to finish my countertop butcherblock. I need to completely sand it Ease the edges or do some kind of edge design with a router and round corners. Then finish sand. Milwauke has a m18 orbital sander, m18 router and m18 finishing square sander. Is battery power for these tools any good or is corded the only way? (Cords kinda suck so im hoping this isnt the case) Thank you.
I have that exact sander and I just used it to finish a 5x2 butcher block tabletop, I also used a corded belt sander. The cordless one was far more convenient to use, even with battery swapping. Plus I found if you were using something for dust extraction trying to manage the cord and the hose was a huge pain in the ass compared to just the hose.
My router is corded and I hate it, cord is way to short and constantly gets in the way. I'd recommend corded router for a router table, cordless for handheld.
Good luck!
So i’ve come to the conclusion im going to buy the m18 finishing/square sander for finishing work, and corded rotary sander for heavy heavy sanding. And m18 compact trim router.
m18 finishing/square sander for finishing work
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For finishing, you're much better off sanding by hand with a sanding block after using the ROS, make one that fits a quarter sheet of sandpaper and glue some gasket material (from an auto parts store) or cork sheet on the bottom for cushioning. A lot more control over results - power is not always the best option.
That sander isn’t great, they have a new one now that’s much better. That router tho, that’s the bees knees.
Which one? The square one?
That being said I think the new m12 ones are nicer.
if you have enough batteries sure.
but for a sander I use an air sander. I have a huge compressor so it makes sense. sanding in my experience is a long and intense process not ideal for battery.
most other tools battery is fine. got a buddy that have battery everything.
I personally ain't seen a battery router that has the power and features of a big Bosch. but honestly I could make do with some battery router and some patience.
I’m a big fan of cordless but I like my sander to have a cord. First of all, in my experience battery powered sanders don’t perform great. Secondly, most of the time I use a sander I have a vac hooked up to it for dust collection so having a cordless sander that’s connected to a vac kinda defeats the purpose of cordless. And finally most sanding jobs take a while, oftentimes hours so you end up just burning through batteries
Router is great.
For the sander: if you’re gonna be sanding for hours, you want to connect it to a vacuum anyway, so you might as well have a corded one because the vacuum will take away the only reason to have a battery one. However, battery ones are great for quick jobs
Dewalt made a corded belt sander, when it worked it was a beast... emphasis on when. It was impossible to get the belt to track and it shredded belts. They discontinued it. A cordless belt sander would be awesome but it would likely need to be a Flexvolt tool due to power consumption.
I just can't seem to wrap my head around why DeWalt does not make a. Portable belt sander. Not even a corded one. Anyone know of one that will work with the DeWalt 20v batteries? Even using an adapter but the tool has a bms in it so the battery doesn't completely go dead.
Because Makita perfected the belt sander in what? The 70’s? DeWalt didn’t want to be 2nd forever so they never tried. It’s the only Makita power tool I have and I love it.
Tools don't have BMS, batteries do. They shut off at low voltages.
Black and decker makes a corded one, it goes pretty hard even when you bear down.
Makita has a 18v battery powered one. You can get a cheap ($15ish) makita 18v to dewalt 20v adapter and it will run like a champ. I use daily in commercial doors
What kind of run time do you get with what ah battery? I was looking at the Makita, as I have a few Makita things. I was also looking at the old school corded black and decker dragster as the flip up top portion is a nice option. I honestly need one for fascia as I have been doing alot of it here lately in So Cal and the price of lumber is crazy. So its more cost efficient to get #3 or #2 grade ,sand it down and fix any imperfections with MH or All Purpose Putty. My orbital and 1/2 sheet finishing sander just don't fully cut it for the amount I'm doing.
I think the one we use is a 1/4 wide belt. I stick either a 5 or 6AH battery on it and forget about it til Friday when I take everything home to charge. I think even in my worst day I’ve killed the 6AH and halfway drained the 5AH, but that’s using it to grind down the tops of doors because framers trust lasers over traditional levels.
They aren't wrong to be fair. Ryobi batteries are more expensive than dewalt ones, and Makita batteries are far less reliable than Dewalt ones (source being a friend who's an e-shop manager for a local tool superstore, they get more returns for Makita batteries than Dewalt, Bosch and Milwaukee combined). Good quality low drain voltage cutoff circuitry is expensive if it has to be permanently integrated with the battery as it has to draw such a tiny current, makes sense to fit it to the tool and use cheaper components.
Do Ryobi batteries have BMS built in?
Been waiting for a dewalt cordless palm nailer forever.
But how many batteries do you have vs tools? I have about 14 batteries, to my 30-40 tools. It may be cheaper to put BMS in a tool vs a battery, but you’re going to have a lot less batteries than you do tools.
I need to replace my decades old corded Makita 5" orbital sander that finally seized up. I don't want, and have so far never needed a variable speed unit (unless you can convince me I do), and I really don't want to deal with batteries so I'm fine with a corded unit.
I really liked my 5" Makita since it was small in my hand and easy to work with, but I absolutely hated the dust bag. It never worked all that well with the sawdust and would tend to come off entirely.
Anyone have a suggestion instead of the 5" Makita, non-variable unit again?
Thanks for any suggestions or advice
I know it's expensive, but the Mirka Deros is worth the money. I work in a shop and have one in my hand all day. I've tried the Festool and it's clunky and heavy and sits in a drawer in the shop while we all wait for the Mirka. I love it so much I bought one for my home shop with a fein vac.
I have been getting annoyed with the paddle switch on the Mirka recently, was thinking of switching to the Festool. Unfortunate to hear that feedback about it!
I made the switch last year, I had the 5” and 6” Deros. I’ve had multiple hand surgeries and the paddle switches made my hands cramp up during extended sanding. Switched the the Festool ets ec sanders and don’t regret it one bit.
There is nothing clunky and heavy about the ETS EC line of sanders, I've found when people complain about Festool sanders they are talking about the rotex line and comparing that to finish sanders from other brands for some reason.
Huh, I've never even heard of the brand and now I'm intrigued. I'm not necessarily opposed to spending more but I absolutely don't need the "Bluetooth connectivity to connect with the MyMirkaApp" feature.
Is this the unit you were thinking of?
Yep. And it's not expensive because it has dumb fancy features. It's expensive because it's built extremely well and runs smooth.
A good middle of the road would be the festool ETS 125. I bought it and other than the dust collection, it's been pretty good. At $250 it's half the price of the other festool sanders.
Not gonna lie, finding a solid corded sander that isn’t packed with useless features was weirdly harder than expected. Came across this post that pointed out a few good models with decent dust collection
All dust bags suck. You need to hook it up to a vacuum to get decent removal.
I occasionally would hook it up to an adapter that fit my giant shop vac perfectly, but it was tough to move around as freely without it, but I'm glad to hear that all dust bags suck so I'm leaning towards getting this unit again.
Consider getting a different vac, or a thinner lighter hose for the one you have.
Festool ETS EC 125/3 I replaced my Makita with that sander and its night and day, makes the Makita feel like a cheap peace of trash that vibrates your hand off.
I know someone who is just getting into woodworking and wants to learn a lot in a short amount of time, therefore, I wanted to hear some opinions of what belt sander works for them in terms of durability, safety, and price.
Let me know down below, I have gotten recommended this Craftsman one a couple times but I would like to hear some more opinions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XIdcmPYVxY
I wouldn't recommend a beginner use a belt sander for furniture.
But, if you want one I'd steer clear of anything from craftsman. I have a Makita that works great. I'm sure Milwaukee, DeWalt, or even Rigid would be better. I have a relative who works construction and he mentioned all the flooring guys he works with all use Porter Cable belt sanders.
I've had the 3"x24" Makita for many, many years...it's a workhorse. Purchased the Rigid 3"x18" about 6 months ago for smaller, onsite tasks. Both work well, but the Rigid was several hundred less. The stay on switch is kinda touchy. It's finicky to keep it running non-stop while scribing material. Good thing about the Rigid? Lifetime warranty. I wouldn't rely on it for bigger tasks though.
I too have a Makita. I started with, and still have, a 3” x 21”. I recently purchased a 4” x 24” and question why I ever used a smaller one! If you are serious about getting a belt sander, I have had remarkable results with a Makita.
Agreed, though there a bit of a price difference between the Makita and others, and I have no idea what OPs budget is
I like the Bosch 4". Variable speed, tracks well, balanced, heavy, can use one handed for wide panels.
I don't find much difference between one belt sander and another, they are simple devices. I own the one in your link and it works fine for my needs, it's not too big or too heavy, but really anything that moves a sanding belt would do.
There are lots of tools that a beginner should buy before getting a belt sander. What exactly is he hoping to accomplish with it? Surfacing rough lumber? Get a jointer or planer or hand plane. Smoothing glue ups? Get a ROS.
A belt sander in inexperienced hands can do a lot of damage in a hurry.
Craftsman is a home hobbyist brand that is not intended for daily high volume use in a professional shop. Dewalt, Porter Cable, Milwaukee, are better choices.
Does anyone think makita is going to make a cordless belt sander like Milwaukee and Dewalt have? If the 40v range is there to “complement” the 18v range then it would make sense to add this to the range.
My guess is the OP was asking about something like this https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/Power-Tools/Woodworking/Sanders/2832-20. To the best of my knowledge Makita does not make an equivalent tool.
I was thinking this same thing the other day. It wouldn't be that hard either considering they have the planer as well.
I’ve been waiting 6 years for one…I could see XGT and possibly 36v coming out with one, but given up hope for an 18vLXT. I just think it demands too much continuous power to be effective.
I agree with xgt. But 2x18? The tool isn't big enough to accommodate 2 batteries. If anything a smaller/less performant 18V model.
They do.
https://www.makitatools.com/products/details/XSB01TJ
Honestly a quick google search would answer your question.
That is a detail sander, not a belt sander. And don’t play semantics saying it’s a detail belt sander…Becuase it’s a detail sander period.
not the type of sander they're talking about.
I think they might, but who knows when...
It seems like Makita filed a patent for a cordless belt sander a while ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3Jn1veqxC0&t=286s
He says it would probably come out in 18V and 40V, but the battery in the picture looks like a 40V to me.
I’ve just picked up the ryobi orbital 18v sander and I’m not impressed with it but for 50 bucks it gets the job done and beats hand sanding. My experience with palm sanders is limited so I’m asking which is the best? Wired and wireless
IMO, best bang for the buck are Bosch RO sanders coupled with GOOD quality mesh paper, not the diablo junk they sell at home depot etc
Agreed, I went from using crappy square orbital sanders to a Bosch ROS20 with 3m Cubitron paper and hooking it up to a shopvac. I almost look forward to sanding jobs now.
Have a porter cable is 25 yrs old works good
Definitely go corded to start. This way you don’t have to worry about the batteries, just plug and play. Upgrade to a Makita down the road or even something better if you have the monies.
As I do more drywall, I am in search of attachments for my vacuum that fit my Makita palm sanders
Any palm sander will get the job done imo, but a vacuum attachment is key
Have you seen the PVC pipe vacuum attachment hack? You buy a slightly oversized piece of pipe, and mold it down with a heat gun.
Drives me frickin bonkers that there's not a standard.
The Rolls Royce of sanders is Mirka, not even Festool can compete.
I know about the ~1/2" one but I mean a real belt sander like a wide one They have corded versions, why no cordless?
There's a 3x18 M18 belt sander releasing next month. If I knew how to post links I would. But you'll just have to Google
Milwaukee comes with their new belt. Maybe now makita add this product in their lxt lineup.
Your response helps none, answers nothing nor does it contribute to this discussion at alll. Your response simply shows how big of a d-bag you are.
Your comment 2 years late is just as helpful. Nobody here is going to know this, we aren't all sitting around talking to Tool company moles to find out why they haven't made such and such.
If they make on it will probably be on XGT 40v.
Drat, some how this hadn't even crossed my mind but you've gotta be right. Not planning to buy in to xgt for a while so this a tough one for me Guess I'll go corded when the old dog goes out.
XGT and 2LXT are the same voltage luckily
My guess would be because they don't make one.
And why not ?
Masahiko Goto and Shiho Hori stopped responding to our Mak signal
The belt sander pulls almost 10 amps, for any actual use I feel it would be kinda silly having to change your battery every 10 minutes or so. I’m makita fan and I like my cordless stuff but when it comes to planning or heavy belt sanding I’ll settle for corded
I mean I get that but maybe if it were on the 18x2 platform? I just think it's strange because several over brands have ones. Thanks for the response though
I need a belt sander to level out the base of an anvil stand that I did a terrible job gluing together.
Can anyone recommend a bhand held belt sander for this job, and to have hanging around for other small things?
If such a thing could be had for $50ish, that would be swell.
Honestly, for a rough sanding job like you describe any belt sander will work fine. The difference you get between a cheap vs expensive belt sander is mainly the dust expulsion/collection, and how well the sand paper tracks or stays aligned on the cylinders. I have a super cheap Tool Shop brand one and a nicer DeWalt one. The cheap one gets clogged with dust and often the paper will ride off the edge, making it easier to tear or exposing the work piece the rubber rollers. For these reasons, I would avoid the really low end models.
I would also look at ergonomics. The ability to lay it upside down and use it as a bench sander vastly increases the value of a belt sander in my opinion. I like my dewalt well enough, but any name brand one would be good probably.
This guy's got the right idea I inherited a Black & Decker belt sander from my dad when I bought my house and it's got a trigger lock feet on the top so that you can flip it upside down which I often do and apart from it occasionally tracking to the side I've never ever thought of ever needing to replace it. It's just it's my belt sander
I agree with this , the name brands are going to work fine. Make sure have a coarse grit belt it will go a lot faster.
Harbor Freight has an excellent sander for 39$ - it's pretty powerful and with the default 80 grit belt, it sands off material really fast. For 10$ more, they have a variable speed sander.
It's just a motor driving a belt - there isn't much to these things.
Craiglist/pawnshops should always have one of these available for under $50
edit: also, reach out on Facebook or similar, someone or their parents probably has one in the garage. I've borrowed and lent out tools this way, but hear people get free tools from friends this way because people don't need them anymore.
best cordless belt sander
Key Considerations for Choosing a Cordless Belt Sander:
Battery Voltage and Runtime: Look for a sander with a higher voltage (18V or more) for better power and longer runtime. Ensure the battery provides enough usage time for your projects.
Sanding Speed: Check the sander's belt speed, measured in feet per minute (FPM). A higher FPM (around 1,000-1,500 FPM) allows for faster material removal.
Belt Size: Common belt sizes are 1" x 30" and 2" x 21". Choose a size that fits your project needs; larger belts cover more area but may be bulkier.
Dust Collection: A good dust collection system is essential for keeping your workspace clean and improving visibility. Look for models with built-in dust bags or ports for vacuum attachments.
Weight and Ergonomics: Consider the weight of the sander and its grip design. A lightweight, well-balanced sander will be easier to handle and reduce fatigue during extended use.
Recommendation: The Makita XSB02Z 18V LXT is a highly regarded cordless belt sander. It features a powerful motor, a variable speed control (up to 1,640 FPM), and a compact design for easy handling. Additionally, it has an efficient dust collection system and is compatible with other Makita 18V batteries, making it a versatile choice for various sanding tasks. If you're looking for a budget-friendly option, the Ryobi P450 is a solid alternative that offers good performance at a lower price point.
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