TL;DR
Classic Joker Stories
"The Killing Joke" is frequently cited as one of the best Joker comics, reinventing the character in the 1980s [1:1]
[2:1]. It explores the Joker's origin and his psychological battle with Batman. Another classic is "Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth," which delves into the dark and twisted environment of Arkham Asylum, showcasing the Joker's complex relationship with Batman
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Modern Interpretations
For those interested in more recent stories, "Death of the Family" and "Endgame" from the New 52 era are highly recommended [1:6]
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[4:1]. These arcs feature the Joker challenging Batman in profound ways, questioning the very foundations of their rivalry. "Endgame" presents a terrifying version of the Joker, pushing Batman to his limits
[1:5].
Unique Perspectives
"The Man Who Laughs" offers an intriguing look at the Joker's first encounter with Batman, making it a great starting point for new readers [3:1]. "Batman: White Knight" flips the narrative by presenting the Joker in a different light, exploring themes of redemption and societal impact
[1:3]. Additionally, "Joker: Killer Smile" and Brian Azzarello's "Joker" provide deep dives into the Joker's psyche
[2:2].
Other Notable Mentions
Several older stories like "The Laughing Fish" and "The Joker's Five-Way Revenge" represent early modern versions of the Joker [1:2]. For those looking for omnibus collections, there are options that compile significant Joker appearances, including Bronze Age stories
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These story arcs collectively showcase the Joker's evolution as a character, highlighting his complexity and the multifaceted nature of his relationship with Batman. Whether you're interested in psychological thrillers or action-packed narratives, there's a Joker story arc for every reader.
So im very new at comic books but i always loved Batman and Joker
I've read the killing joke and really appreciate it but i dont know if exists more good stuff with him. Old or new i just want to feel his character in a new comic. Please help
Some ones that haven't been recommended:
I loved Batman: White Knight personally - definitely recommend you read it. You may also like some of the New 52 stuff (Death of The Family is the one you hear most often but chronologically I'm not sure where it's placed).
I liked endgame and death in the family personally but might get some hate cos they're from New 52
The New 52 is Death of the Family, which I agree is really good. A Death in the Family is the post-crisis story, that I find terrible. Just wanted to clear it up for OP.
Oh shit my bad thks man
He’s terrifying in Endgame (New 52 Vol 7)
For me, my favourite Joker comics are:
Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth, The Killing Joke, A Clown at Midnight (A single issue from Morrison's run #663, he later appears more prominently in RIP) and New 52's Death of the Family (note: this is different to A Death in the Family. ADitF is actually a pretty bad story, and was conceived for very poor marketing reasons. New 52's DotF is actually a really good Joker comic, and like TKJ, has Joker challenge the means with which Batman operates in a clever way to point out his deficiencies). I also really like Azarello's Joker Original Graphic Novel, as a side story nearly focusing on Joker more than anyone else, what he gets up to in between his encounters with Batman.)
Also recommended is The Man Who Laughs. He has smaller appearance in other good stories, like Hush, Black Mirror or The Dark Knight Returns, but the latter 3 are not really about Joker. Similarly, Loeb writes Joker as part of a larger ensemble in The Long Halloween, Dark Victory, etc. A lot of people really recommend the recent Batman; White Knight, of which I have only read one chapter, but I really liked it, and am excited to eventually pick up the whole story. I hope this helps!
New to comics as a whole and I know nothing
- The Man Who Laughs
- Killing Joke
- Joker: Killer Smile
- Brian Azzarello's Joker
The most accaimed/popular Joker stories are:
Batman 251
Detective Comics 475-476
Batman The Killing Joke
Arkham Asylum Serious House on Serious Earth
Batman: Death in the Family
I personally really like those even though that might be controversial:
Batman Death of the Family
Batman Endgame
Harleen (Thats not really a Joker story, thats a Harley Quinn story but check it out anyway)
Batman White Knight
Check out Killing Joke.
Everything you see + Batman endgame vol 7.
For Joker, I would recommend starting simple. Try out 2 of the classic graphic novels with the character: Thw Man Who Laughs( his encounter with Batman) and The Killing Joke(really reinvented the characyer of Joker in the 80s). I also love Jokers role in Dark Knight Returns, but that's more a Batman story, with him as a secondary character at best, and it takes place much later in their lives, so save it for later. Death of the Family is really quite good , and Endgame is a worthy successor to it.
So I'm really new to Batman comics and I'm particularly interested in the character of the Joker. What do you think I should read? I'm planning on reading "Batman: Year One", so "The Man Who Laughs" sounds like the obvious choice, but I've also heard that "The Killing Joke" is the best Joker comic out there. Should I start with that one?
The Clown Dies At Midnight from Batman 663 is mostly a prose based story but it's my favourite Joker comic by some distance.
Killing Joke. Endgame is another great one.
I would not recommend endgame. Why do you think it works as a great joker book? Even up against death of the family?
The Killing Joke or Death of the Family
Slayride by Paul Dini personally. It’s dark, it’s twisted, it’s actually kinda funny in this really dark way.
The Killing Joke and the Man who Laughs are both good.
Hi guys, looking for tips. Probably Omnibus would be best but if better stories, 3 or 4 comic books instead of omni would been also fine (omnibus is prefered) thank you very much for help in advance and please excuse my English.
There's a Joker omnibus out by DC just before release of the movie. Do check that.
Thank you, already ordered:)
On the newish side, Death of the family and Endgame are bangers. Some of my favorite, modern Joker stories that will stay with you long after you close the book.
If anyone's wondering, Batman: Death of the Family collects the main story and Joker: Death of the Family only collects the tie-ins (Edit: and the beginning and climax of the main storyline, for some reason.)
Wasn't a huge fan personally, but it's true most people seem to enjoy it.
There aren't really any modern stories featuring him that are long enough for the omnibus treatment. There is an omnibus collecting a lot of his major Bronze Age appearances though
I don't know if it qualifies as an omnibus, but Joker: Endgame is around 300 pages long. It collects the "Endgame" storyline and its tie-ins.
Thanks a lot for reply, I will try the bronze age
In the first game, Joker dominating Arkham is a creepy concept but it was disappointing that his major scheme was giant monsters. I expect something more bizarre from him. In the second game, his role was much better. The physical decay of the Joker is perfectly suited for someone like him, a man approaching the end due to his own madness. The charade he organized was a nice touch. Arkham Knight, my God. That was inspired. Joker being STUCK INSIDE BRUCE! Corrupting innocent people, his past actions playing a part in the main story, his plan to hijack Bruce's body permanently. Paul Dini,I could kiss you!
I agree totally. To add to this Arkham Origins does a great job of cementing the relationship between them.
I love how these 4 games come together to tell the decade long conflict between these archivals.
For that matter , the entire arkham saga tells the definitive Batman story from his origins, training (if we count the AO DLC), fight with the mafia, rise of the supervillains, city under occupation, pandemic and ultimately the fall and rebirth of the Dark Knight
Chef's kiss
Oh, I should have mentioned Arkham Origins! What's interesting to note is Batman and Joker's temperament back then. Batman was far more angry and Joker was suicidal. Great writing and voice acting.
Paul Dini didn’t write the story for Arkham Knight, but yeah, I do like Joker in that game too.
Oh, I did not know that. I stand corrected.
Just got done with a youtube vid on famous Joker stints and decided I finally wanted to read some stuff. Emperor Joker, Death of the Family and Killing Joke are all on there. Anything else? Or recommended readings before/after some stuff?
Gotham Central: Soft Targets
I love Morrison's Joker when he pops up in RIP and at the end of Morrison's Batman and Robin.
Oh man, so fucking good and so grounded. If they follow the realistic route and follow up the upcoming Joker movie, this would be good stuff to mine. If the DCU pulls off a tone similar to Gotham Central, that would be amazing
Snyder’s Joker is a lot of fun, both Death of the Family and Endgame
Brian Azzarello's Joker mini is getting a Black Label re-release.
It's already out; picked it up a few weeks ago. Came to recommend this -- it's excellent.
White Knight
The 2nd annual from the Giffen/DeMatteis Justice league run is a good Joker story. It's basically about Joker trying all these ways to murder people and get rid of the league but they keep backfiring on him. Funny story and Mr J is basically the main character in it.
I love that Batman was willing to offer joker help but joker just rejects it knowing the fact that he's completely far too gone maybe in another universe joker accepted Batman offer and completely redeemed himself
I don’t even think I’d say the killing joke is overrated I think it just got too many people reading it and misinterpreting a lot of it tbh
The Killign Joke is a genre comic in many ways but it might also be the most widely misunderstood comic out there because too many people think the "origin" story at face value rather than an unreliable narrator who very well could have fabricated the entire thing to make himself seem like a passive victim.
It is not 'one bad day'. And the ending proves it. Gordon did not break batman did not break. It is Joker's active choice to continue committing harm, as at the end he refuses Batman's offer for help
Under the pretense of a crazy man cannot help another crazy man to see the light..
The whole story is Joker making weak excuses to justify himself while the actual heroes move forward
Pretty much this. It's also one of those stories like Watchman, the Dark Knight Returns and such that lots of people love and want to imitate but people inevitably either do it poorly or just run certain points into the ground ("One bad day" Joker's nihilism, Batman is also kindof crazy). But as they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
It's the few times we see the Joker dejected. Like the weight, oh his madness and his actions actually have an effect on his concious.
A moment the Joker actually reflects who he is, and even he in this scene doesn't like it.
This. Despite waxing lyrical about madness in the face of a cruel reality, Joker in this comic clearly follows an internal reasoning that informs his worldview and plan. When he’s foiled and can longer feel justified in his beliefs, left to stew in the fact that the world’s not rotten, just him, it damn near breaks him. It’s as if this is the real bad day that changes him and not the one he was pontificating about earlier.
There's a Justice League issue where Martian Manhunter temporarily fixes the abnormalities in Joker's brain with his powers, but is limited by the fact that Joker is so far gone that Jonn would need to continuously hold his sanity together by force for the fix to last.
In that short lived lucidity though, the Joker immediately reacts with revulsion to everything he's ever done. Not hard to imagine that some of that reaction exists even on his normal insane days.
The story also suggests that Plastic Man is naturally strange enough to pull off a perfect Joker impersonation with no giveaways that he's a fake but that's off topic
There is also the ending of Legends of the Dark Knight Annual #1 which I really like.
Joker spends most of the story taunting Batman and then in the end asks, "Will you do it? Kill me? Release the burden that torments the both of us?"
I found it a really interesting moment of reflection for Joker.
It's interesting that it implies that he doesn't seem to actually enjoy being the Joker and considers it a burden.
Jason should have stayed dead but there was a scene between him and Joker I liked later when he said "You're crazy....but you're not that crazy."
Kind of the same feel, Joker knows what he is.
The older I grow, the more I love The Killing Joke because of how a pathetic loser The Joker is, which is exactly the point.
When building my comic collection back, I ended up snagging the Absolute Killing Joke as it was on sale.
I was so thrilled to learn it has both the new records on modern glossy, but also the original colors on original paper in it
I like this one way more than The Dark Knight Returns if we're taking influential 80's Batman comics
I’m gonna climb up on my soapbox again for todays post, but I’ll make it brief, I promise.
Dark Knight, Dark City is one of the most overlooked Batman stories, ever.
For over 3 decades now, I’ve been trying to spread the word about it.
I used to sell it to people as “the Riddler’s Killing Joke”, but then Tom King did that One Bad Day thing a couple of years back and he used that exact same tag line.
But, for whatever it’s worth, I think this superb little 3 issue arc from Milligan and Dwyer (with those killer Mignola covers) is far superior to the more recent King effort. YMMV.
Either way, if you haven’t read this story, I’d heavily recommend it. I think there was finally a trade released fairly recently, but even if not, the original issues can still be acquired cheap.
About 6 months ago, I was trying to decide what my personal favorite Batman story is. Most people would say Year One or Dark Knight Returns or even Court of Owls, but I don't think it's any of them. I really think it's Dark Knight, Dark City. I never really thought of it as 'Riddler's Killing Joke,' just an amazing haunted story with perfect art. Second favorite is either Ego or Dark Knight Returns.
Also, I love those two Joker covers. Just perfect.
I always eliminate DKR, Year One, Arkham Asylum and The Killing Joke before the conversation even begins.
I think, at this point, everyone can agree (except the contrarians that just have to be different) that those four are the generally accepted Mount Rushmore of Batman stories.
Once those 4 are removed from the equation, it becomes a MUCH more interesting debate (imo).
Dark Knight, Dark City is definitely up there.
Also Long Halloween, Hush, Death In The Family and Ego.
And then there are the longer arcs/crossovers like KnightFall/KnightQuest/KnightsEnd, No Man’s Land and the entire Morrison run.
My go-to is usually The Cult. I honestly think Deacon Blackfire is one of the best characters Batman has ever been up against.
I personally don’t have a lot of time for Court Of Owls or Year Zero or Death Of The Family, but I get why they are special to a certain percentage of Batfans.
And then there are all the various Elseworlds stories. Gotham By Gaslight and Thrillkiller are probably the “big” names there, but I’ve always been particularly fond of the Moench/Jones vampire trilogy.
Batman fans are really spoiled for choice when it comes to truly great stories. I honestly don’t think any other character in all of comics has such a deep bench to pull from.
Maaaaaaybe Daredevil, at a push? Possibly Constantine.
But even then, just in terms of sheer volume, Batman is miles ahead.
Haven’t read Dark Knight, Dark City, but it looks amazing.
Also, we’ve gotten to Tim’s chance to shine as Robin
That Annual Two-Face story is one of the great Two-Face origin tales ever. It feels like it had to be a major influence on the TAS origin story.
Man I love this run and era such awesome stories and some of those covers are amazing, Breyfogle, Bolland Mignola. Classic stuff.
Aparo, Breyfolgle, and Mignola covers are perfection 🔥
Yeah, moments like this always seemed out of character to me. I just can't suspend disbelief that someone as twisted as Joker would have empathy for anyone, let alone an abused child. Some people just don't have that level of humanity in them, and I think Joker works better when he's so evil that there's LITERALLY nothing he won't do as long as he thinks it's entertaining and/or funny. The only reason I could picture him saving this kid is because he finds her too amusing to lose. Otherwise, he could easily make murdering her into a punchline.
Likewise, the reasons I can picture him opposing Nazis is because he thinks "They're just too boringly militaristic.", "They'd cramp my style!", or "They don't get my sense of humor." The scariest Joker is a Joker with no moral boundaries. Or, at most, he sometimes pretends to have them to manipulate people for his own ends. It's why I'll ALWAYS prefer versions of him & Harley where he only uses her despite everything she's done & suffered for him (The tragedy of it is impactful) vs. continuities where he sincerely cares about her.
I feel like making the Joker as scary as possible kind of misses the point of what made him great, and has contributed to some of his worst characterizations. Joker should be funny, and a truly unpredictable wild card. He should definitely have curveball moments like this instead of being a character writers dump all their dark impulses in.
Joker is inherently a significantly scary villain by virtue of his concept, just not in the same ways as supervillains like Scarecrow. That terror of not knowing what depths he'll stoop to next has ALWAYS been a crucial component of what makes him stand out as a character & a foil to Batman. I don't believe he should be written as sincerely having a heart, let alone a soft spot in it for anyone.
That would humanize him too much. The moment you humanize this particular villain, you take something away from his unique flavor of madness. Plenty of depictions do his fear factor justice while still keeping him funny, spontaneous, and enthusiastic. Those aren't mutually exclusive, and there are numerous ways to do one without hindering the other. I never said or implied that the scenario of Joker saving a child from an abusive parent couldn't work. I wrote a version where it could.
But the premise of Joker having real empathy for anyone, I feel, misses the point of him as an entity in the Gotham mythology. Writing Joker's psychology well is important. It's not all just authors using the fiction as an excuse to write torture p*rn. Joker SHOULD be unapologetically sadistic. This is a character that historically embodies the chaos opposing Batman's belief in goodness, reason, justice, and order. His very existence is a grave threat to all innocent lives. He's more than a psycho.
He's an idea, not literally supernatural but like a force of nature. He exists to treat the world as his source of entertainment and would happily make all of reality into his personal playground if he had the power. He can still be an unpredictable wild card despite being twisted beyond measure. I wouldn't consider it faithful to his character if he just went around butchering people or killing kids. He's not a mere serial killer like Victor Zsasz, nor a Sadist like James Gordon Jr.
A Joker without limits to the depravity he's willing to commit is that much more unpredictable. The only limits his crimes should have are whether he believes he can make them funny. Otherwise, it wouldn't interest him. Part of what makes Joker tragic IS his humor. Despite all his efforts to make Batman laugh, he doesn't even seem to understand the purpose of laughter beyond his own self-serving gratification. There's a sad irony to how he calls himself "the clown prince of crime", but proves time and again that he doesn't understand what being a clown means.
Joker should really do some charities sometimes not because he's good but as in some kinda joke.
A completely legit charity, helping poor kids or some other worthy cause. Nothing criminal, what so ever. It'd drive Bats crazy trying to uncover what's "really" going on.
I can't wait for this to show up in a gallery with anti-racist joker and anti-nazi joker that gets spammed all over twitter
Having the moral high ground being a fucking lunatic is always a good joke
Even professionals have standards.
I think taking into account that he butchered a room of kindergarteners on top of shooting babies, plus murdering a gorilla, stealing its baby, and pushing it to suicide really dulls the jokers good moments
The fact that they had a comic where Bruce wayne saved him from Capitol punishment because he was innocent of one death is ridiculous
As the title says, how influential are stories like Batman: Year One and Batman: The Dark Knight Returns?
They’re obviously very famous comics, but are they the peak of Batman comics? I’ve read Year One multiple times, but have only just read TDKR for the first time, and I’m not sure how I feel about it. They certainly seem like very different stories with different themes and messages.
Year One feels, to me at least, like the ideal origin for the character, but TDKR feels a little pretentious with its satirical political elements (although that satire has surely aged well, given the current state of politics in both the US and on the international stage). I’m not sure what to make of Miller’s portrayal of Superman. Personally, I’m not a fan of deconstructing characters like Clark and Bruce. It feels unnecessary, given the context of what comics are and why they were made in the first place.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the subject! Like I said, it was my first read of TDKR, so maybe I’ve missed something that I’d better understand after a second.
I’d say these are two of the most influential stories.
For example, Arkham Origins is takes a lot of influence from Year One. Considering it features a Batman new to crime fighting, the cops are corrupt and have it out for Batman, and James Gordon is learning to trust Batman.
Now to be honest I’m not too too familiar with The Dark Knight Returns. Though it clear that the DCEU Batman is inspired TDKR if nothing but his appearance. The cover art has been referenced quite a few times with thunderbolt and the silhouette. As well as any inclusion of Carrie Kerry in other media like the Caped Crusader for example seems to be directly referencing TDKR. I also don’t think they would’ve titled the 2nd and 3rd movies in the TDK trilogy The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises if they didn’t already get inspiration from TDKR. One last thing I’d say is there probably wouldn’t be stories of the Joker going sane like Batman Going Sane or stories about Joker dying like Batman Beyond Return of the Joker or Arkham City if TDKR didn’t play with the ideas first.
In terms of cinema, I’d say The Batman (2022) has done the best job of adapting Year One without relying too heavily on the source material. All the key elements of the comic are there: the corruption in the GCPD, the influence of Falcone and the mob, and the characterisation of a Batman who’s still finding his way. Bruce heading out into the streets to simply observe Gotham’s criminal element while disguised is one of my favourite things about both that film and the book, as well as how Gotham is actually portrayed.
And you’re absolutely right about the DCEU connection. Unlike The Batman with Year One, I’d say that BvS is a misguided attempt at adapting TDKR. Apart from a few lines ripped from the comic, the film isn’t particularly true to the story it tells, although that might be purposeful. I feel that the film is trying to tell too many stories at once, with the death of Superman being thrown in randomly at the end of what is supposedly a TDKR adaptation. While I have some respect for Snyder’s work, I feel like the characterisations are too far off, and it doesn’t work for what was meant to be the mainstream DC cinematic universe, the rival to the MCU. It works better as an else-worlds storyline, albeit a poorly executed one.
I would say the Batman took more influence from Earth One than from Year One
Yeah The Batman ‘22 is another good example of Year One’s influence.
To comment on DECU, I think Synder did a good job with visuals (not so much the designs although they’re not bad, I mean the cinematics) although he missed the mark on the characterization of the characters. I feel like he tried to do too much of own thing and didn’t borrow from the comics beyond a few TDRK references.
Very influential. The dark Knight returns brought Batman to his darker more serious roots and helped kick off the EXTREME era of comics. I really don't know enough about how Year One effected everything but I think that it influenced writers of future Batman titles a fair bit
Out of interest, which Batman titles are your favourites?
Very. They’ve inspired all 3 21st century Batmen’s movies as well as Keaton’s first movie.
Likewise Year one has become the definitive origin for the character.
Immeasurably so.
So influential it might have hurt Batman as a character. So many people think of him as a sociopath because of bad stories written by authors who didn't really understand Miller's vision - including, ironically, Miller himself.
best Joker story arcs in comics
Here are some of the best Joker story arcs in comics:
"The Killing Joke" (1988) by Alan Moore and Brian Bolland
"Batman: The Man Who Laughs" (2005) by Ed Brubaker and Doug Mahnke
"Batman: A Death in the Family" (1988-1989) by Jim Starlin and Jim Aparo
"Batman: Hush" (2002-2003) by Jeph Loeb and Jim Lee
"Batman: The Long Halloween" (1996-1997) by Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale
"Batman: Endgame" (2014-2015) by Scott Snyder and Greg Capullo
Recommendation: If you're new to Joker stories, start with "The Killing Joke" for its iconic status
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