TL;DR
Off-Peak Travel Months
Traveling during off-peak months is a common strategy for finding cheaper flights to Europe. November is often cited as one of the "dead" months for travel, where prices tend to be lower [3:4]. Similarly, traveling outside of major European holidays like July-August or Christmas can result in cheaper fares and less crowded destinations
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Flight Competition and Efficiency
The presence of competition among airlines, especially at major hubs like JFK, contributes to lower prices. Airlines have become more fuel-efficient over the years, which has helped reduce operational costs, allowing them to offer lower fares [3:3]
[3:4]. Ultra Low Cost Carriers also play a role in driving down prices
[3:10].
Specific Deals and Routes
Specific routes and deals can vary greatly, but examples include round-trip Basic Economy fares from JFK to various European cities for under $300. These deals have been available for several years and are not necessarily tied to current events [3:2]
[3:5]. It's worth checking different airlines and routes for potential savings.
Recommendations Beyond Discussions
Beyond the discussions, consider using flight comparison tools and setting fare alerts to catch deals as they arise. Flexibility with dates and airports can further enhance your chances of securing a bargain. Additionally, exploring nearby airports or considering alternative routes might lead to better deals.
You gotta stop and get them gas station viagra pills
I'm not one to judge. But maybe stop doing that and look for something meaningful?
Don’t have sex with prostitutes
Typical 'guilty' reaction, when you think about it maybe self preservation
Your conscience got to you
Just wondering. 20%?
It's really weird. I can't just rearrange appointments. Most people on UC can't be picky and only work flexibly - the expectation is to take whatever job you can get within a 90 minutes distance. I can't be repeatedly calling in that I can't do shifts a few days before or a day before the shift.
Are they living in another dimension, where the codes of work are different?
It’s more likely than not to be impossible to keep to the same day and time. Caseloads can be anywhere from 100-250 depending on the Jobcentre and how short staffed they are.
New claims come in, some come off the caseloads for whatever reason. Diaries aren’t just your work search reviews every week or every 2 weeks.
There’s work focused-interviews every three months for parents of 1 year olds, every month for parents of 2 year olds, every three months for claimants with LCW, then you get commitment reviews for changes of circumstances, Gateway Interventions which need a 60 minute slot and those payments are blocked until the self-employment is verified so they’re urgent.
We have work coaches who are also doing part UC diary and part Jobseekers Allowance diaries throughout the week.
Then you need to fit in an appointment to end a sanction, or someone needs flexible support funding for work clothes and travel costs pronto and they start their new job next week so it’s urgent.
We constantly get journal messages asking to change the appointment in the same week or even the same day, but vast majority of the time it’s all fully booked a week in advance, and there’s absolutely no where to rebook to.
So while it might look like jobcentres are taking liberties with how they book appointments, it’s actually very restrictive.
There’s a reason the good cause list exists though. You’d never (or should never) be asked to miss work to attend an appointment. It’s just a matter of informing the Jobcentre as soon as you’re aware. And if you’re working and earning but just not earning enough, your appointment should be every 8 weeks.
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Not complaining, mind you. But we just purchased 2 open jaw flights from JFK to London in mid-September, then back to JFK from Milan in early November, in Basic Economy, for just under $366. I couldn't get this kind of fare over 30 years ago, using consolidators and whichever airlines they could find.
Yes, I realize that it's BE, so we're stuck with these tickets, and won't get miles for these flights. But we almost never cancel flights and rarely change them, don't use miles that much and have enough to go back in a year or two, and with our Delta Skymiles cards get a free 1st checked bag and earlier boarding. And we always seem to do OK with BE seat selection.
And yes, many other fares to Europe are a lot higher this fall. But this just seems insane. I also briefly saw the same itinerary going for around 23,500 miles after the 15% off for Skymiles members, and while we had enough miles, we decided to pay for it as we had eCredits due to expire early next year.
Alas, the prices went up today. But they've oscillated back and forth a lot lately, and may well come back in a few days or weeks, so if you're looking to travel, try open jaw and see if it works for you. Might not be only Europe, but it's where we wanted to go.
Rt BE on all US carrier transatlantic out of JKF/EWR has consistently dipped below $300 rt for select western hubs in Europe for many years now, even before 2020. This has nothing to do with Europeans boycotting US travel.
Never thought it had anything to do with current politics, and even if it did, it would likely be flights originating from Europe (or elsewhere) to the US and back. If anything Americans are more likely to want to get away for a while, although the issue of dealing with reentry might dissuade some from leaving the country.
Anyway, I can't say that I regularly check r/t flights from NYC to Europe, but when I have I've never seen prices below $300, at least from April to October, when we tend to travel abroad. And the open jaw worked better for us in terms of travel plans, so its being cheaper than r/t was a bonus.
The main con of BE for us is the cost of cancellation or changes, but barring something catastrophic happening, we're not likely to do that, and at $366, it wouldn't be a massive loss if we had to. MC would have been $220 more, $20 more than the cancellation charge of $200 with BE, and the risk wasn't high enough to be worth it to us.
JFK-BCN can be found for $288 as of Monday this week. On Iberia.
I frequently travel SEA-AMS, in fact most recently on Friday. The planes are still 100% full.
As I said to someone else, them existing doesn't have anything to do with the boycotting of travel through/to the US. But how available they are certainly does. Both in terms of how many transatlantic routes are offering them (it's more than "select western hubs" right now) and how many seats are available at the lowest fares.
Coming back in November certainly helps (which is one of the “dead” months).
You have to remember that flying planes has also gotten cheaper compared to 30 years ago - planes are much more fuel efficient, airlines have maximized premium cabins, etc. They aren’t making money on your tickets - but it’s offsetting flying a plane where they can sell premium tickets which make money (ie business travelers).
More importantly JFK has competition and closer to Europe. Monopoly at Atlanta makes all the Euro hubs $1200+ at best.
Not sure, tickets from ATL to Tokyo have only gone up since the switched from the 777. One can only assume from the pricing that the 777 was at least twice as fuel efficient. Interestingly though if you fly from anywhere to ATL and then go to Tokyo the price is over 30% less and so we can assume connections run on dark matter.
I booked a last minute to Madrid in Delta One for $2500 round trip.
Totally different category, plus kind of pricey for what is essentially business class. Even in advance, though, those tend to be expensive.
Nothing new. Fares have been that low for years off and on.
Ultra Low Cost Carriers
Hi, so I would like to give some general recomendations for 1st time travelers to Europe who are planing their epic trip:
The recommended routes in 5. are actually wild for two weeks. In the first one, take the narrow-gauge trains in northern Spain as much as possible to make sure you spend your entire time traveling without actually visiting any place.
I'd like to add another three:
Check out local public transport options for your destination(s). No need to uber all the time, and 1-day or multi-day tickets might be not too expensive (e.g. 5-day ticket for Tallinn is 11 € +3 € for the travelcard it is loaded on to.)
Find the tourism website for the places you want to go to. Read through a bit and make note of the places and activities YOU FIND INTERESTING. Then you can build your own itinerary instead doing stuff just because ChatGPT told you so.
Before you travel, check with your bank and credit card issuers, if and how much they charge you for using their cards abroad.
On top, check whether European city cards make sense to start with. European cities are just very walkable. If I go somewhere I might take 2 public transport rides per day to get to a general region. Ask yourself whether you'd really visit 8 museums or other attractions in 4 days to make the card worth it.
>No need to uber all the time
I read a sad story here where some folks got scammed trying to take an Uber to the airport in Naples and then missed their flight. A quick look at google maps would have told them that the airport bus takes 20 mins, departs every 15 and costs 5 EUR.
I would try and avoid renting a car, if you are mainly staying in big cities, because parking is often difficult, expensive or non-existent. Public transport is far better.
Here is another one - don't stick to Western Europe only. Even you, trying to help, made that mistake.
He left out so many amazing cities and places in Central and Eastern Europe… Prague, Budapest, Balaton, Gdansk, Warsaw, Transylvania and so on.
Honestly, if it’s your first trip, don’t try to hit every country. Two or three places will feel way better than rushing through eight cities.
A lot of first-timers do London to Paris to Rome since they’re iconic and easy to connect. Another option is to stick to one region, like an Italy-only trip with Rome, Florence and Venice, or Amsterdam with Belgium and Paris if you want something a bit more relaxed.
Biggest tip is to slow down. Half the magic is just sitting at a café, wandering without a plan and finding those random spots you’ll remember forever.
i’m not looking for a specific, bullet pointed itinerary but just a general region. more of an outline of what i want to do but figuring out the specifics along the way. i’ll be staying in hostels. i’m not on a super strict shoestring budget but looking to stay as economical as i can
my interests include:
*historical sites and museums
*good vegan/vegetarian food (yes i plan on cooking some meals of my own)
*im a big fan of just wandering around places. dillydallying and finding hidden gems
*depending on how long i’m staying i also love to do little daytrips
*im not the type to up travel every other day. i plan on staying in each destination for a few days for sure. maybe a week for bigger cities
also: beaches! i love the beach! was wondering if september-mid october is a good time to go swimming? and where at? i was thinking greece/balkans/italy/spain/portugal (not necessarily in that order) since they’ll be cheaper than summer proper but still have some nice weather i think?
i’m also considering the traditional western europe destinations (london, france, amsterdam, etc) as well. my biggest concerns overall are budget, weather, and crowds
I went to Europe last year and did 18 countries there. My favourite cities were definitely Budapest (the night Danube boat rides are amazing, St. Stephen's Basilica night organ recitals with the obersvatory tour, St stevens preserved hand is there and there is also amazing city history tours), Lucern (walking tours on get your guide are amazing, its a 40min ish train ride to Engelberg, definitely recommend going up Mt Titlus there, there is beauyiful views, ice cave and Trübsee Snow Park and sleeping, also paragliding nearby), Prague (walking tour for the city, the castles and Jewish Quatre are so amazing to see, the medieval night dinner and concerts are lot of fun, there is a magic bar called Illusion which was a lot of fun, UNESCO bone chapel i didnt go to but a lot of people find it fascinating, and beer tours). For more summery vibes Corfu in Greece is amazing and Dubrovnik in Croatia, both have good beaches, history and are stunning.
You could do the area of Prague-Vienna-Bratislava-Budapest (even Krakow) for a bit, which is quite budget-friendly (aside from Vienna) and still have time to go to a beach too.
Algarve Portugal, southern Spain and France are very nice that time of year and meet your criteria. Could throw in Morocco for a change up.
I agree with Algarve, Portugal. It has some of the best beaches in Europe. It’s going to be much less crowded Sept/October but you will still have lovely weather. Also, from Faro you can easily travel to Seville, Spain on the coach. You can explore the beautiful city, cathedral and arts scene. From Seville you can head over to Malaga, another great city with lots of things to see and do. You can find some really good vegan and vegetarian restaurants there, and then continue on to Marbella where you will find more beautiful beaches, good vegan/vegetarian food and lovely weather.
Yes i did the algarve last sept and it was perfect! Still warm enough for the beach (some of the most beautiful I’ve ever seen!) but way less crowded.
is it still warm enough in portugal and southern spain to swim in october?
Yes, actually the ocean temps are warmer in the fall.
Sicily. The best time to go.
I did almost this exact time frame and style a couple years ago, hostels, mix of wandering + museums, cooking some meals, and chasing the last bit of beach weather
Route-wise, I’d say:
For your interests:
That’s great advice here!!
Hey guys!
So I am planning a trip to Europe for 10-11 days at max.. and have been looking for a good itinerary where in I can experience the best of the weather.. I am thinking between spring and shoulder.. coz I do not want too much crowd.. looking for a slow-paced trip and explore the natural beautiful side as well as the architectural side .. beaches is not a necessity..
I do wanna add Spain and Italy to the itinerary..
I am literally at the start of the plan and haven't really decided on anything except for the kinda experience i want and two major countries I want to visit..
any suggestions ? - should i add any more destinations (if yes, which ones)? The route? and what months would be the best?
Post august crowds start thinning out in europe till a christmas/new year spike in december.
If you do not want crowds, do not go to italy or spain. Everywhere is extremely crowded throughput the year. Locals also have a lot of tourism fatigue so if you go offbeat there is a chance you run into some annoyed locals
Switzerland is amazing, france is pretty good, greece is also heaven round the year.
If this is your first europe trip i suggest sticking to poular countries rather than some obscure east europe country.
Spring, from late April to early June, or early September is truly a great time to visit. You’ll avoid the summer tourist crowds, enjoy pleasant weather, and the cities feel more alive overall, especially in Spain and Italy.
With 10 to 11 days, I suggest focusing on just two or three regions. You might start in Rome, then head to Florence or a Tuscan. From there, you can fly to Barcelona (amazing architecture there), or go south to Seville or Granada.
It might be tempting to add more places like the Alps or a trip to the French Riviera. However, with your time frame, that could lead to more stress than enjoyment unless you’re comfortable with a fast pace.
If you’re unsure about how to plan the trip or want to balance logistics, experiences, and downtime, feel free to reach out.
I did Switzerland and Austria in early spring for about 10 days. It was rainy and cloudy for the most part, but we had a good experience nonetheless. Switzerland was absolutely heavenly, everything about the country is great, but do note that it is a VERY expensive country, a normal restaurant meal for example,could easily cost you 10k INR. Zurich was surprisingly a very interesting city to visit, I really enjoyed my time there, really cool place.
Do note though that there's a lot more to do, activity wise in Switzerland in the European summer time though. In the winter/early spring you can only go skiing or snowshoeing pretty much which most of the other activities closed.
Austria was nice, but felt that perhaps only Innsbruck was really worth visiting (or maybe there was some travel fatigue which set in given that we did Austria in the latter half. Austria is a bit cheaper than Switzerland, but only by about 15% or so.
Okay been there sooo many times and across countries... My best time is March to May and october to November.
Yes, recently have been to Europe. And i think summers are the best time to visit Europe
Hi friends! I’m thankful to be having an upcoming Europe trip, and it’s my very first one. I’m from the states, so it’s pretty far out of the way and I don’t know when I’ll be able to go back again.
I have to fly into and out of Madrid due to costs, but I was wondering if there was anywhere easily accessible that’s worth visiting while I’m out there?
Flights to London are about $40, flights to Rome are about $30, flights to Lisbon are about $20, flights to Venice are $25, flights to Marsielle are $30, flights to Budapest are $35, flights to Zurich are $70.
I was hoping someone could help me figure out if it makes sense to add a couple of stops to my trip rather than stay in Spain the whole time. In an ideal world I’d get to visit Edinburgh or Zurich!
I’ll be out of town from late September to early October. The cheaper the better so I can focus on experiences, but I’m willing to be flexible if it’s a dream destination/trip.
If you want to see several cities across Europe I’d recommend you’d spend your days in 4 cities max. That way you have about 4 days in each city before you’re off to the next.
Personally (but I live in Europe) I like to spend a week in each city we visit so we can also day trip from there. For example: if you have four days in Edinburgh you will have time to explore the city. But seven days? You can see more of Scotland.
If you’re not sure when / if you get to visit again I’d make a list of priorities. If there’s a high chance you get to visit again I’d focus on one or two countries max.
As a fellow European I can recommend London, Edinburgh, Vienna, Lisbon and Porto. Those are my favorites anyway along with Rome and Prague. Zurich is pretty but it’s small and Switzerland is super expensive.
If you want four cities I’d pick Madrid, London, Edinburgh and Vienna. Madrid so you can see a bit of southern Europe. Vienna is an awesome Central European city with marvelous architecture. Edinburgh has lovely nature and its old town is to die for. London is just the biggest capital in Europe imo, so much to do.
Or simply focus on Spain/Portugal. You can’t go wrong with Madrid, Seville, Lisbon and Porto for example. It would mean less travel time
The one week per city rule is a good one because it’s the experiences and the day trips that are those highlight.
> I have to fly into and out of Madrid due to costs, but I was wondering if there was anywhere easily accessible that’s worth visiting while I’m out there?
... Most of the rest of Europe?
You have 3 weeks. You can't see everywhere, but that is plenty of time to visit a series of places.
Though Zurich is nice enough but not really a must-see in itself.
Depends what you mean by countries. It might help to think of places rather than countries. You can easily cover 4 countries if you mean spending 5 days (minus travel time) in 4 cities in different countries. Which would be a decent enough amount of time for you typical spot like London or Paris.
Have a look into the logistics and think about that when planning. What is 'only' a 1.5 hour flight might well cost you another 6 hours or more of check in/out, local transport, security, waiting, delay, etc.
Oh forgot that from Budapest, Vienna is on the way to Prague so you could take a stop there :) you could go to Innsbruck for some Alp views instead of Prague, or do day trip to Salzburg. From Prague you could also visit Dresden. Alternatively also from Vienna or Pargue a bit longer but train to Munich and then German Alps. There's generally a lot there you could visit with 2-4h train rides if you decided to go to Central Europe. Just wherever you'd end you'd have to look into flight back to Spain.
Maybe fly to Milan if possible and go to Switzerland from there by bus! I will be doing this in a couple of months
By all means go elsewhere in Europe, too, but don't miss out on southern Spain (Andalucia). Sevilla, Granada, and Cordoba, for starters. Some of the best sights in Spain, great food, moderate costs, very easy to get around with high-speed rail. Do this in the latter part of your trip, in October, for better weather, as Andalucia can still be hot in September.
You can use Zurich for an arrival by air but no real need to stay there for your stay.
I travelled around Switzerland and found Zurich to be the least I engaged with. Smaller places like Montreux have a much nicer vibe so get a train to elsewhere. Prepare yourself for spending a lot of money though.
The place to be in switzerland is Interlaken (Shoutout also to Lucerne, Lauterbrunnen) to me its one of the most beautiful place in the world
Any specific reason to want to go to Zurich ? You have much more pleasant places around the country than this business city. People are going to Switzerland also for the mountains, the nature and the landscapes. Alps more than malls.
If you take a flight to Budapest you could then take a train to Prague and then visit mountains in Poland or Germany or Austria. I love those two cities, its beautiful architecture and slightly cheaper than west of Europe. And then you can explore some mountains sights which you mentioned you had in your dream. Another option, if you fly to Rome or Venice you can visit quite a bit of Italy by train as well like naples or Milan. You'd focus more on fewer countries but I love Rome and the food. Its for sure different vibe so you'd have to think what you prefer.
I've been looking on going on holiday and have booked one already to Split, Croatia.
I only looked in september because I assumed it would be much cheaper than July, I was very wrong.
Am I missing something here? Any advise for next time I book a holiday to get cheap flights?
Most schools in England don't break up till the last week of July.
September is still hot, but no more school holidays across Europe and not as hot as July either.
So when would you say would be the best time to book a holiday for most european places with price into consideration?
If you can manage it, the very end of September and early October is great for a lot of places- the weather is still usually decent (might not be beach weather anymore though) and prices are often far lower than June- early September. Unless you're going to Oktoberfest, it's basically out of peak tourist season at that point so price-wise you'll find better deals in a lot of locales
I have a school age child, so I'm shafted either way. But generally September/early October are pretty good. As is June (but that ship has sailed).
But if cost is an issue this would be the worst time as it's school holidays is all flights go up hugely.
Early July is still term time so no school holidays
And if you're not restricted to school holidays then September is far more pleasant time of year to go to Croatia than July.
It’s very much school holidays in Scotland and NI - so airport does play a factor
July is now stupidly hot in most of Europe - sense many people are disincentivised naturally from going
I went to Rhodes in July a few years ago and then Bermuda a few days after I got back. I was absolutely freezing in Bermuda because of how acclimatised I’d got to the horrendous heat in Rhodes.
We went to Dubrovnik at the end of October/early November last year and it was lovely.
Forecast was around 17 degrees peak with a bit of rain but it was about 21-24 most days and we barely got any rain.
Things were starting to close down and it was nice and quiet.
That last week in October a lot of restaurants start shutting but there were still a few places open.
We packed light coats and longer trousers etc and ended up finding a H&M to buy some clothes for the warmer weather. We were hoping it would be slightly cool for walking around all day but it was fucking roasting.
Edit: late October is probably a bit of a gamble and we got lucky. Late September/Early October is probably a safer bet and you'll miss the school holiday rush and it won't be too hot.
Because lots of people without kids assume it'll be cheaper just after the summer holidays so that pushes prices up. Not as many AFAIK do it in early July just before the holidays start.
You may also be getting into last minute discounts in July
The July flights are only a week away now, so the price may be cheaper as they’re trying to fill the seats
Hey everyone,
I’ll try to keep this as short as possible.
I am currently a college student on summer break, and I am looking into options for cheap travel.
I have travel benefits on United airlines, so I can get pretty much anywhere they fly for relatively cheap. With that in mind where do you guys think would be fun to travel to this time of year in the world?
I have been to a couple European countries in the past and that was really cool, so I wouldn’t mind going back there. But I am open to any suggestions!
I am a 21M and I don’t have a ton of money, ideally I’d like to spend less than 1.5k or even 1k.
If you were in my shoes where would you go and how would you keep it cost effective?
I don’t post on Reddit much, so hopefully I formatted this correctly!
Have you been to South America or Asia yet? What kinds of things do you like to do?
I have not! The farthest south I have gone are some of the Caribbean islands. I am a big fan of seeing cool landmarks and hiking. I also like nightlife and enjoying a drink at spots.
That’s part of why I love Europe, enjoying a drink outside and people watching at night
Rio de Janeiro has a great hike up Christ the Redeemer and tons of great places to grab a drink outside. Benefit is that it’s currently their winter so it’s still warm but not scorching! If you want to meet people too there are many opportunities for that. Enjoy!
I would go somewhere in the Asian continent. Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Philippines. All these countries promote cheap travel!
If you can find a cheap flight, southeast Asia can be really cheap. 1k can last a month or more
You have no idea what “travel benefits” means, do you?
Fly United to Milan, then get the direct flight to Tirana (Albania); if you go in August it costs ~$25. Summers in Albania are scorching, so I'd suggest heading north toward the Albanian Alps - there's gorgeous hiking, fabulous food, cheap drinks (beware the raki), and so many friendly people you'll be overwhelmed. I found the country to be extremely safe, even as a solo woman traveller.
If you've got more time, you can keep heading north into Montenegro and explore their beautiful national parks then check out the insane party scene in Kotor. They've also got beautiful beaches and even more great alcohol - though I found it was a bit pricier than Albania. You can fly United back from Podgorica (Montenegro capital).
I am solotraveling first time and I have planned first flying to Berlin. Then by trains Prague - Krakow - Bled - Ljubljana - Venice and flying back to my country. I am thinking in span of 2-3 weeks. I haven't booked anything yet. The problem is that I don't know if I should leave 26.6. or 15.6. Is there big difference in how crowded everything is in June vs. July. The flight in 26.6. is 40 euros cheaper so thats why I am considering it, but then my trip would mostly be in July so would it at the end of everything be cheaper to choose the earlier flight? And would the experience be more plesant in June than July I will reserve the high-speed train tickets and accomodation straight after I know the travel day.
June is noticeably less crowded than july
Okay thank you. Maybe I will go with the earlier flight!
40 euros saving on the flight will be insignificant if the hotels are higher priced due to July demand. Run a test on the hotels you have been considering comparing the June versus July pricing. This is one of the situations where a nice spreadsheet is needed
Yes I thought so too, but now when I checked I didn't find any price differences in hostel prices.
cheapest time to fly to Europe
Key Considerations for Finding the Cheapest Time to Fly to Europe:
Off-Peak Seasons: Generally, the cheapest times to fly to Europe are during the shoulder seasons (late fall and early spring). Specifically, late January to early March and late September to early November often have lower fares.
Midweek Flights: Tuesdays and Wednesdays tend to have cheaper flights compared to weekends. If your schedule allows, try to book flights that depart on these days.
Advance Booking: Booking your flight 2-3 months in advance can help you secure better deals. Last-minute bookings often lead to higher prices.
Flexibility with Dates: Use flexible date search tools on flight comparison websites to find the cheapest fares around your desired travel dates.
Airline Sales and Alerts: Sign up for fare alerts from airlines and travel websites. They often have sales that can significantly reduce ticket prices.
Recommendation: If you're looking to save money, aim to travel during the off-peak seasons, book midweek flights, and keep an eye on fare alerts. This strategy can help you find the best deals for your trip to Europe.
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