TL;DR Focus on strengthening surrounding muscles, practicing mindfulness in movement, and avoiding overstretching.
Strengthening Surrounding Muscles
One of the most effective ways to prevent hyperextension is by strengthening the muscles around the affected joints. For example, squats can help build strength in the knees and reduce the risk of hyperextension [3:2]. Physical therapy exercises focused on strengthening the glutes and surrounding muscles can also be beneficial
[3]. It's important to engage in exercises that promote muscle strength rather than relying solely on stretching
[4:1].
Mindfulness and Controlled Movements
Practicing mindfulness and controlled movements is crucial for preventing hyperextension. Activities like yoga, lifting weights, swimming, and tai chi can help improve mind-muscle connection and awareness [3:3]. Being mindful of your posture and form during exercises can prevent injury and help you maintain proper alignment
[3:2],
[4:2]. Compression braces can also provide additional feedback to help you become more aware of your joint positions
[3:1].
Avoiding Overstretching
For individuals with hypermobility, overstretching can exacerbate pain and lead to injuries. Passive stretching may not be suitable, and instead, active stretching or workouts are recommended [4:1]. It's important to limit the range of motion and avoid staying in stretched positions for too long
[4:3]. Understanding your hyperextension point and maintaining proper form during stretches can prevent injury
[4:2].
Alternative Pain Management Techniques
In addition to exercises, other techniques such as massage can offer relief from pain associated with hypermobility [4:4]. Some individuals find that decompression exercises, like lying on a rolled towel, can help alleviate discomfort, although these should be approached with caution
[5:1]. Always consult with a healthcare professional or physical therapist before trying new treatments or exercises, especially if you're experiencing significant pain or discomfort.
PS Yoga released a video warning about some of the face exercises found on YouTube:
ones using a spoon
hand against skin to prevent wrinkles
anything that lengthens the philtrum
or pushes chin forward
or scrunches the nose
As usual, the real goodies are found in the comments section! I’ve screenshotted two for you.
See below my comment linking to full routine from Maggio and one from Zavasta, both highly recommended, long-time face exercise instructors that I learned about from the comments!
PS Yoga warning video described above
Here is a full routine by Maggio
Here is just one video from Zavasta. She’s quite eclectic and has lots to offer, with very inexpensive products on her site.
And this is Valeriia, also recommended by the commenters.
And my own suggestion, Chris Gibson who is 61 but looks <40
Thanks for the resources!
Happily!
My routine is below.
137kg 40 year old male who also does powerlifting for 5 years. 300kg deadlifts are fine, no injuries, but ironically when stretching I feel like I'm close to injuries constantly. I've had high hamstring tendinopathy from stretching before so I left it alone for a year but now I've been stretching again for about a month and I have a recurrent strain in an adductor, I felt something go pop in the other side adductor today while doing the pancake, I had something go pop in a hip flexor last week. So that's one strain and two near misses. I'm a bit scared now. I always stretch after lifting or other exercise and I'm very warm. Ive been doing the following routine 3 times a week. It doesnt seem like crazy volume... should I just back off on the intensity and follow this routine at a lower rate of exertion for a month or two? I'm pushing for progress every session, tensing the antagonist muscle etc and then trying to get a few extra inches.
3 sets of 30 secs for hamstrings (elevated pike)
2 sets of 30 secs for hip flexors (couch stretch)
3 sets of Front Splits (with square hips) for 30 secs
1 set of butterfly for 30 secs
1 set of pigeon pose for 30 secs
3 sets of adductors for 30 secs (standing straddle fold with 10kg
3 sets of adductors for 30 secs (weighted pancake 5-20kg)
3 sets of middle splits for 30 secs
Back off on intensity if you're hurting yourself. I'd also probably trade some of those passive stretches for active alternatives.
What's your goal with the stretching?
Front splits, Middle Splits, Pancake
You're probably need to push into the stretches with less force
So OP do you do these before or after lifting?
He said he stretches after lifting
Yes - you're correct ... just confirming that's the only time static stretching is happening. 👍
Warm up. Seriously. Stretching could is a lottery to injuries with more than 50% chances at winning.
Go mindfull. Stretching has to be soft. You need to notice the muscle IS stretching but you shouldn't feel pain at all.
Work on strength through range of motion exercises. Having the splits is nice, nicer IS when you can have your splits while doing a handstand or having your splits to high kicks.
OP - are you stretching immediately after lifting or a little later on?
a bit of backstory: hypermobility has nabbed me in almost every joint, but the knees are especially bad. i got an official diagnosis some years ago, but even before that, i’ve always had aches and pains mostly in my knees. i oftentimes overextend when I stand and they don’t hurt at that moment; i usually feel pain at toward the end of the day (a telltale sign of overextension). My PT said my knees can bend backwards about 11 to 13 degrees so it’s not pretty…!
i’ve been going to physical therapy to strengthen my glutes and surrounding muscle, but i’m still considering knee braces to help me not overextend given that I don’t feel it at that moment. i don’t want all of this overextension to add up in the future—would braces help or hinder? are there any tips or tricks you use to remind yourself to not unwillingly overextend a joint?
I have the same problem and wound up snapping my ACL on a trampoline when I was in college. Ever since then, I do squats A LOT. Like anytime I need to bend to do anything, I squat instead and stand back up like I’ve just done a squat for exercise. I want to keep my surrounding muscles as strong as possible to not re-injure my knee (which actually no longer hyperextends because of the reconstructive surgery), or snap my other ACL.
I do also agree with the other commenter that mindfulness is a big deal, too; both exercises and actively considering your posture. For many years, I’ve been very careful not to stand with my full weight on a hyperextended knee.
ouch that sounds horribly painful, noted about the squats. my PT has me do them with a resistance band but I need to get into doing more of them on my own. the posture part is especially helpful, thank you very much!!
Learning a better mind muscle connection helps with this. This can be achieved doing any number of (relatively)low risk physical activities. Such as yoga, lifting weights, swimming, tai chi.
Anything where the movements are controlled and mindful, this will help you build strength and awareness that'll help you not to extend your joints outside of the normal range.
For me a solid basis in weights helped me to pursue other physical activities that I wanted to do without worrying that I was always going to dislocate/sublux a shoulder or a knee.
so true, really need to pick up yoga soon ! mindfulness seems to be the common factor here so thank you very much :)
KT Tape and maintaining good hydration. Works wonders.🙌🏽❤️
thank you! i need to buy some more kt tape ASAP omfg 💪🏻
I have the same problem with my knees, I can't do the kt tape cause it irritates my skin. I use compression braces, it doesn't prevent the hyper extending but as my pt put it, it gives my brain more feedback and more awareness of my knees
damn the way your PT put it makes a lot of sense, thank you very much !!
No problem 😊
Hi! I'm 25F, and have had loose/hypermobile hip joints my whole life. Recently my pain has gotten worse and more frequent, and my doctor agreed that it's probably due to hypermobility.
I heard that overstretching can make hypermobile joints/pain worse, but here's my question - how can you tell when you're overstretching? Sometimes when my hip pain is bad, stretching gives some temporary relief, but I don't want to make it worse.
Secondary question would be how else do you manage day to day pain? I sit for most of the day at work, but try to walk around during my lunch and breaks. I've tried KT tape, OTC painkillers, topical pain relief, and a few other things, but nothing seems to work to reliably relieve pain.
I think as you’re in a similar position to myself, stretching can feel nice after being stuck at the desk all day. Gymnasts and dancers often have hypermobility and stretch all the time, it’s a benefit to them. I try to act like I’m a dancer, only stretching when I know the form is perfect, otherwise it’s not worth the injury. Maybe film or ask someone to watch you to help you understand your hyper extension point. I found going to workout classes really helped because the instructor would correct your form, especially when they’re good and understand hypermobility.
But overall for day to day, I would avoid yoga. Look into mobility workouts and mat Pilates, they’re easy to do on your bed and help you feel nimble again. I need to do it more often that’s now become my problem, ADHD kicking me in the ass. I hyper fixated on these exercises for months and now that determination is fading 🫥 haha good luck!
Haha. I try to limit the range and stretching is not good for us anyway.
Alot of times the stretching are passive stretching which works for non hypermobile folks. For us, it is active stretching. But if you ask me... is not a stretch but a workout🥲
But for us, stretching does not exist in our live. We are always being told that tightness means weak and weak means to strengthen.
My advice is if you dk when to stop, then is best not to stretch. I do stretch for time to time but i dont go beyond hyperextend range and stay at the position for too long(said by my physio).
Ahhh, the "don't stay in the position for too long" causes problems for me I think! I often sit on the floor with my legs in weird pretzel shapes and don't move for 30+ mins at a time... Maybe I should not be doing that lol
For me, massage is a safer option that can offer similar relief
My physio made me lay down like that because I had a hip hike when I was in my acute phase. Painful as all hell and can’t really recommend it because I don’t know if it accomplished anything
I'm not sure what it is or why the person is doing it, it's not going to help with someone's sciatica.
He states that he is decompressing the compressed nerve in this way, or something similar.
I think he's selling his method, but it won't help relieve sciatica.
Roll a towel and lay on it on your back (belt area). A far more effective spine decompression if that's what you are looking for.👍
This is yet another over complex YouTube video with a difficult exercise.
Hi all I have recently been having some trouble with my elbow whereby it's hyperextends mostly on backhand clears, smashes and large underhand clears. I have been diagnosed with hyper mobility for a while in almost all my joints for most of my life. Has anyone got any recommendations for exercises, weight training, etc to help alleviate the symptoms? Thanks
Not a medical professional or anything. For almost every shot in Badminton, you don't want to fully extent your elbow until it locks up. You should always keep a slight bend. Maybe this helps avoiding hyper extension in your elbow since you are never fully extending it anyway.
I've never had any coaching so this could explain it a little to be honest. I appreciate the advice
Watch "4 Ways to Master Your Backhand In Badminton" from BadmintonInsight on YouTube. At 3:15, they explain this point better and also with video material.
Things like these should really be discussed with a medical professional. Seeing that you've been diagnosed multiple times (I'm assuming by professionals) means you're already in the right direction, if you haven't already asked for further advice.
For alleviating the symptoms though, try the RICE treatment. Rest, Ice, Compress, and Elevate. Wish you all the best dude, hopefully you get better soon.
Thanks for the input. I've been resting for a few months but happened again last night so thought it was worth an ask.
Look up "Elbow Extension PAILs / RAILs" (Progressive Angular Isometric Loading / Regressive Angular Isometric Loading). The advice provided by u/reusch02 on practicing and improving backhand form is incredibly valuable and most essential. I'd like to recommend PAILs and RAILs as additional exercise to enhance motor control of the biceps and triceps, potentially reducing pain during terminal elbow extension. If your discomfort persists or worsens after trying these techniques for 2-3 weeks, I would strongly advise consulting a local physiotherapist and/or orthopedist for a more comprehensive assessment.
I'm aware a/the reason for squaring your hips is to ensure you're stretching your muscles, not your joints, and that stretching your joints in forced positions (which flexing could easily do, under the guise of muscle stretches) can be bad for them. I'm curious if r/flexibility has any tips for either protecting the joints (such as squaring hips) or how to identify if joints are being strained whilst stretching?
For example, protecting joints:
Or to identify if joints are being strained:
I haven't seen this asked in the sub, and this recent post discussed the risks of contortionism, specifically wrt joint, and I was curious how I can protect my joints best
You cannot stretch joints. You need to be careful cause too long/too deep/too aggressive stretching can directly damage muscles, tendons, or ligaments. Sharp pain is a protective mechanism usually followed by muscle spasm. So it's not easy to injure yourself by stretching - unless you let someone else to push you into the stretch or pull yourself on something with lots of force.
Squaring the hips does not protect any joints, it directs the stretch into the hamstrings and pelvic position allows for better core engagement and stability. Flexed foot for knee protection in pigeon is a myth: if instead of external hip rotation you try to bend your knee sideways (knees don't bend this way), you can injure ligaments in your knee regarless of foot position. Normally, sharp pain won't let you do it though.
Thank you! Good to know about flexed foot - on a similar note, do you know if it's better to modify pigeon by bringing the foot into the groin (enough that the knee doesn't feel forced sideways), or by raising the hips? I see most people doing the groin option, but it feels bad for the knee in a way? (not because of the sideways movement, but because it's bent a lot with weight on it if in swan?)
When you close the knee (bring the foot to the groin), it moves as a "unit". The main issue with pigeon is simular to lotus - lower leg becomes a lever that pushes the knee out sideways. You can experiment with what works better for you - as long as you feel the stretch in your hip/glutes, not discomfort in your knee. You can roll a small towel and put it behind your knee if it's more comfortable.
I see a bit of over extension.
Keep your chest pointed at the floor when you are in the hole. Since you don't want to fall forward, this position will force you to set your knees early and push your hips back. Don't be afraid of getting more horizontal. Next, as you push up out of the hole, drive your hips up first and try to maintain your more bent over position for longer than you think. If you brace correctly this will help with both your tiny bit of "butt wink", and your over extended back. This change technique was a huge boost for my squat. Help me squat through a back injury, and push up my 5RM.
I will try this on Friday. Thanks, kind stranger!
Use this vid as a guide. The pray positing elbows holding knees out is the cue you want to use. I still do this after my first few warm up sets to help me remember to get into the horizontal position.
I use to have a forward moving bar bath issue, where the bar would wander forward on me. The solution, lean more forward, well sort of. Totally opposite to what you think, but just remember if you just lean more forward you are going to fall over. Lean forward by pushing hips back.
Move your knees first?
Better brace, keep your ribcage down towards your abs
And careful with those bent wrists, don't wanna sprain them
I don’t see hyperextension. I see butt “wink”
So I'm new to stretching and flexibility beyond basic warmups before a workout. Ever since I lost a lot of weight in the last year, my knees have cracked like gunshots, and no amount of lunges or one-leg squats or collagen supplements seem to have helped, so I've been working through trying to diagnose them.
That pretty directly lead me to find a big range of motion problem I have: I get pretty significant pain if I try to raise my left leg and externally rotate my hip. Interestingly, my range of motion isn't limited; if I grab my leg and pull, it can go way further with no pain at all. If I try to rotate with just my hip, I get a stinging, muscular sort of pain around the point of rotation. Every time I lower my leg from this position, something goes clunk in my upper back, between my shoulder blades.
It is responsive to stretching, at least temporarily. I've been stretching it (gently) daily since noticing it, and the range of motion I can get through without pain grows a lot after a few minutes, but it seems to seize up again after a few hours. It's too early to say for sure whether there's any permanent improvement.
Since I started stretching it, my knees, hips, and back have all been sore and have a vague, worrying sense of not fitting together right that's not like any soreness I've had before from lifting or stretching. I've skipped squatting and deadlifting in my routine this week and cut down my running as a result.
Hopefully I'll just be able to talk to a physical therapist soon and get a professional's opinion on this. Until then, though, my question is how can I be sure whether stretching a painful hip issue is helping or just exacerbating some injury? It's not the sort of dull stretching pain I'm used to from trying to work on my forward fold the last few weeks, and the soreness feels worrying in a way that regular old DOMS definitely never did.
It sounds like you have some passive flexibility but maybe are lacking strength in external rotation so doing some fire hydrants, hip circles and other simple strength training for glute medius and other hip structures may help. But talking to a physical therapist is a good idea especially if you are getting pain and worried that you over stretched since you could have a labral tear or some other issue.
You already mentioned a physical therapist and you should absolutely do this. Just based on what you’ve said I would strongly suggest that stretching is making it worse and you should stop until a PT gives you a go ahead. I expect you’ll need to focus more on strengthening this motion rather than stretching it as well as strengthening some of the surrounding muscles. It sounds more like dysfunction rather than a mobility issue. A PT will be able to give you the correct strengthening exercises for your situation.
if it hurts to stretch it, dont stretch it. but that said, Id worry more about lifting than stretching.
Trying to diagnose yourself when you aren't a professional isn't the best idea. Neither is asking randoms in the internet. You should actually see a professional, as you seem to realize.
Stretching shouldn’t make everything else (knees, back) feel worse. That’s usually a red flag that something deeper is going on.
I have very mobile DIP joints, which has lead to a lot of pain when climbing. I find that even in a half crimp I slip into the hyperextension at the DIP very easily and it is really hard for me to maintain a straight angle while climbing and hangboarding. I weight 145lbs and I can hang one arm on the beastmaker middle edge for 2-3 seconds with hyperextension at DIP (not thumb wrapping), but can only do around +25lbs with 2 arms on a 20mm edge without falling into hyper extension.
I saw the video of Alex Megos doing hang training, and his fingers are perfectly straight when doing a half crimp, he even seems to have less than 90 degree bend in his PIP joints. He seems to have tape on his fingers as well, which I've always heard against for hangboarding. I do use tape on my DIP joints when climbing to prevent hyper extension, but never tried it for hangs.
Basically I am wondering if there is an exercise that will make my muscles/tendons stronger in order to prevent my fingers from entering hyperextension at DIP joint at lower loads. I am not sure if I should be hangboarding with strict form with no hyperextension because the load is significantly lower.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C5V4HtQuRl-/?hl=en
Recent Tyler Nelson post suggests not. I'm in the same boat as you, and tend to treat any hyperextension as the point of failure, otherwise I get tweaky real quick.
I am not sure if I should be hangboarding with strict form with no hyperextension because the load is significantly lower.
Do that, but don't expect fast progress. My half crimp is super weak because of hypermobility and I mostly default to open hand. Open hand sucks on boards though. Hyperextension has led to some nasty injuries, so currently I'm avoiding it completely.
I have diagnosed hyper-mobility. Really weak half crimp due to tweaking fingers and wrists over and over again. Couldn’t even hang body weight on a 20mm without hypertension of the dip (after 5 years of climbing). Decided to set my ego aside in December and try no hang/pick me ups. I had to start all the way down at 50lbs- while using any kind of dip hypertension as a point of failure. Progress has been painstakingly slow, which is to be expected if you have hypermobility- but recently I’ve hit 90lbs for each arm (I weigh 175). My half crimp feels way more stable on the wall, and my dip joints don’t “automatically” fall into hyperextension.
Something that really helped- I bought the unlevel edge, and started training on a 25mm edge instead of the usual 20mm. Seems to disperse the load across each finger better than other blocks, and my fingers are super long so 25mm feels less tweaky
Reduce the weight and slowly work your way up. It may hurt your ego but nor your joints anymore :-)
Came for this. This is the way.
I had to go to -50 for a pulley tear. But consistency is king and it's goes faster than you think.
Basically I am wondering if there is an exercise that will make my muscles/tendons stronger in order to prevent my fingers from entering hyperextension at DIP joint at lower loads. I am not sure if I should be hangboarding with strict form with no hyperextension because the load is significantly lower.
How much hyperextension are we talking about?
There's pros out there with up to 45 degree hyperextensio like this:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CxGDnYkro6E/
You just have to start VERY light and build up progressively over time. It takes longer than people without it, but you can build it up to a strong level.
exercises to prevent hyperextension
Key Considerations for Preventing Hyperextension:
Strengthening Muscles: Focus on strengthening the muscles around the joints, particularly the knees and elbows, to provide better support and stability.
Flexibility Training: Incorporate flexibility exercises to improve the range of motion without compromising joint integrity.
Proper Form: Always prioritize proper form during exercises and activities to reduce the risk of hyperextension.
Balance and Coordination: Work on balance and coordination to enhance overall joint stability.
Recommended Exercises:
Quadriceps Strengthening:
Hamstring Strengthening:
Core Stability:
Flexibility Exercises:
Balance Training:
Recommendation: Incorporate these exercises into your routine 2-3 times a week, focusing on proper form and gradual progression. If you have existing joint issues or pain, consider consulting a physical therapist for personalized guidance.
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