TL;DR
Breville Grind Control
The Breville Grind Control is frequently mentioned as one of the better options among grind-and-brew coffee makers. It has received decent reviews from some users who appreciate its convenience, although others criticize its durability and the potential for parts to break [1:1],
[2:2]. While it may not be perfect, it seems to be one of the more reliable choices in this category.
Jura Superautomatic Machines
Jura machines, such as the Jura E8, are often praised for their ability to produce high-quality coffee with minimal effort. These machines come with built-in grinders and offer features like the Pulse Extraction Process to ensure fresh and delicious coffee [5:3]. They are particularly valued for their convenience, allowing users to make coffee with just a couple of button presses
[5:6]. However, they tend to be on the pricier side and are focused more on espresso-style drinks
[5:7].
Delonghi Magnifica
The Delonghi Magnifica is another option that offers ease of use and durability. Users have reported satisfaction with its performance over several years, although there are some limitations, such as the frothing wand only producing cappuccino froth [5:8]. This machine is appreciated for its straightforward operation, making it suitable for those who want a quick and easy coffee-making process.
Arguments Against All-in-One Machines
Many users argue against all-in-one grind-and-brew machines due to concerns about compromised quality and potential mechanical issues. The general consensus is that separate grinders and coffee makers offer better quality and longevity [1],
[4:1]. Some users find separate grinders messy due to static, but this can be mitigated with certain techniques
[4:2],
[4:5].
Alternative Recommendations
For those willing to invest in higher-end solutions, the Xbloom was mentioned as a noteworthy option, although it is limited to single or double cup servings [4:4]. Additionally, exploring superautomatic espresso machines could provide a balance between convenience and quality for those interested in espresso-based drinks
[5:1].
Based on the sources, there isn't a strong consensus on the "best" Grind and Brew coffee maker. In fact, the prevailing opinion in the provided Reddit discussions is to avoid all-in-one Grind and Brew machines altogether and instead opt for a separate grinder and coffee maker.
Here's a breakdown of the arguments and mentions:
Arguments Against Grind and Brew Machines:
• Compromised Quality: Many users believe that the grinder in a Grind and Brew machine is generally of poor quality, often compared to the cheapest whirly-blade grinders.
• Steam Issues: Steam from the brewing process can negatively impact the performance and lifespan of the integrated grinder.
• Subpar Brewing: The drip brewer component is often no better than the cheapest automatic drip machines.
• Single Point of Failure: If one part (grinder or brewer) breaks down, the entire unit becomes unusable and needs to be sent for warranty or repair, even if only one component is faulty.
• Difficult to Upgrade: If you want to upgrade either the grinder or the brewer, you have to replace the entire machine.
• Cleaning Complexity: All-in-one machines tend to have more parts to disassemble and clean.
• Cost Inefficiency: For the same amount of money, you can usually buy a far superior separate grinder and brewer setup. One user pointed out that a decent entry-level grinder can cost more than some Grind and Brew machines, indicating a potential compromise in quality.
Mentions of Specific Grind and Brew Models (with mixed opinions):
• Breville YouBrew: This model is mentioned positively by a few users. One user at their office finds the grind perfect, the machine easy to use, and the taste consistent and good due to Breville's steep method and fresh burr grind. Another user finds all-in-one Breville products easy to use and of decent quality, suggesting the newer YouBrew model as a top choice in this category, especially for convenience. However, it's also acknowledged that better coffee can be obtained with cheaper separate gear.
• Breville Grind Control: One user shared their experience with this machine over eight years. While it works well when functioning, it is described as high maintenance and prone to jamming if not cleaned frequently, particularly with oily beans. This user would not recommend it despite its decent lifespan.
• Delonghi Single Brewer with Grinder: This model from Canadian Tire is mentioned by the initial poster in the Edmonton thread but has bad reviews, mainly concerning mess and leaking issues.
Recommendations for Separate Grinders and Brewers (considered the "best" option by many)
Grinders:
◦ Baratza Encore: Frequently recommended as the best value and a workhorse with easily sourced and installed parts, potentially lasting over 5 years. A slightly nicer version, the Baratza Virtuoso, is also mentioned as lasting for 8 years with daily use.
◦ Capresso Infinity: Suggested as a possible alternative if the Baratza Encore is out of budget.
Brewers:
◦ Pour-over cones (like Hario V60): Suggested for the highest quality coffee and minimal work, especially when paired with a good grinder.
◦ French Press (like Espro): Also recommended as a simple and effective brewing method. However, one user explicitly stated they didn't want a French press due to "muddy coffee".
◦ Moccamaster: Considered the "THE best drip coffee maker" but is expensive, though sometimes available on sale.
◦ Aeropress: Mentioned as easy to use and clean as another alternative to automatic drip.
Key Takeaway:
The majority of opinions in the sources suggest that the best option for coffee quality and long-term value is to invest in a separate burr grinder (like the Baratza Encore) and a standalone coffee maker that suits your preferences (such as a pour-over device, French press, or a recommended automatic drip machine). While Grind and Brew machines offer convenience, they are generally seen as compromising on coffee quality and potentially leading to more issues in the long run
I own the breville grind and control and I recommend it
My parent's Breville has bit the dust. My mother came asking for a recommendation but poo-poo'd the idea of a separate grinder and brewer. Has anything new and exciting come out in the last few years that finally makes a combo a great idea/execution?
The only grind and brew that I've heard decent personal reviews about is the Breville Grind Control. I was looking into them myself at one point, but they all had a major gripe of some sort from reviewers so I stayed clear. With a grind and brew machine something's bound to break eventually, and most of those companies will not help you out. If the grinder shits out on you, you'll have to buy a new grinder anyways to put next to your clunky, overpriced drip machine with a broken unit inside just wasting space. Another thing to consider is the burrs being in a closed system with steam. Moisture getting into the grinder is one of the most common issues I have seen with any of them.
The Breville is the best option and there are still a ton of bad reviews for a plethora of different issues that make it seemingly a bad investment. I personally would not buy an all in one machine because it's overpriced for something with a potentially short life span. Google "breville grind control bdc650 reviews" and read through the reviews, and the whopping 20% 1 star reviews on Amazon here. The warranty is only a year and if it breaks, you are SOL. Where some people enjoy them, an equal amount of people enjoy them at first and then deeply regret them. I own several products from them including the Infuser in my setup and support was very poor when I needed it. Fortunately I am an electrician and my husband is an engineer so the minor issues over the last 5 years have been easy fixes, but I bought the model without the grinder for the same reason. Just seemed like a bad idea.
I’ve used Capresso for years. I love that it grinds right before it brews and coffee is done when I wake up. Two things break—the water line (leakage underneath) or the digital stuff goes out. Generally they last about 6 years.
If she must have them together, buy a separate grinder and brewer, then duct tape them together. Problem solved.
Well, maybe build a nice wooden box around the pair.
Maybe I will get roasted for asking this on a coffee subreddit, but I have used a french press for years and just want something a little more convenient.
I am looking to see if anyone has experience with a "grind and brew" coffee maker, that is a coffee maker where you load the beans in the hopper and it grinds it and brew it for you. I have gone to 5 or 6 websites, which review such things, and they recommend the same three, but then I go on amazon and look at the reviews for these and they suck. People have all sorts of issues with them.
Should I just write off freshly ground coffee every morning and just get a more reliable coffee maker that doesn't have the built in grinder, or do you all have any other recommendations for one that doesn't suck?
Good? Nope. They certainly exist though!
Unless you’re talking about superautomatic espresso machines in which case...eh...passable coffee
Ya the only automatic one i found was for 600 dollars....that's gonna be a no from me dawg.
First of all, i understand that many people prefer a hand grinder and a cheap machine but I really need a coffee maker with built-in grinder. So if money is no object, what would you guys recommend right now? Or please let me know your current choice.
Thanks so much.
no matter what, I'd say get a separate grinder. if you don't want a hand grinder, then get a separate electric grinder. built-in is either going to be disappointing or fine until it breaks, or you feel like upgrading. at which point because it's attached, it will be more difficult to exchange. buying all in one is kindah like buying an all-in-one computer where the computer and the display are 1 unit. it's nice from an experience standpoint of it being 1 machine, but sooner or later, you're gonna pay the price for that convenience in the form of inconvenience as well as the upfront monetary cost.
I find that a separate grinder is really messy. The static sends coffee dust everywhere. I like the idea of an enclosed grind-to-filter process.
that really depends on the grinder, i have no issue with the timemore sculptor series. but static can also be helped a lot by a small spritz of water on the beans before grinding. I'd still rather have a but more maintenance than the cost of replacing both grinder and machine when something breaks and the general worse price to quality ratio of combo machines
If money is no object, you’re not getting a built in grinder.
Xbloom is kind of the only one worth mentioning but it's single cup only, maybe two cups if you put a 02 v60 on it
Maybe the XBloom?
xbloom
Thanks. Would you mind letting me know where you got it?
keep an eye out on fb marketplace, i like the gen 1 because it has less plastic parts and feels like pretty chunky metal
Hi all,
First off I already know I will get flamed for the audacity of this question - “never get a built in grinder”, “a hand grinder and a cheap machine will be much better” etc etc. I have read the old posts.
I believe my situation justifies a built in grinder. My wife enjoys good coffee but doesn’t care enough to make a quality cup. I care and usually every day I make us both pour overs in the morning. Sometimes I’m traveling and want her to get the best cup she can get with less than 30 seconds of effort.
I am flexible on budget. I used to have the Breville grind control - it was good not great. I’m open to another one of those, but curious if there are better ones out there - ok if they cost more the the breville.
Any thoughts?
I recently took the plunge and got my first coffee maker with a grinder, the Cuisinart Grind & Brew, and I'm genuinely pleased with it.
A jura super automatic makes decent coffee but the convenience is unmatched. I can make coffee with 2 presses of a button and it takes about a minute at home... For my wife.
Then I do a 7 minute pour over for myself.
The Jura E8 is great because it quickly makes high-quality coffee. The built-in grinder and Pulse Extraction Process ensure every cup is fresh and delicious.
Jura’s are nice for what they are.
Whatever your opinion on it for most non coffee people it produces delicious coffee. Got one in the shop for ourselfs and the customers.
They also are quite serviceable: our 2015 machine was still fixable when it broke down last year. Repairs cost some money, but replacing would have been more expensive. Not to mention the ecological impact of replacing it.
Jura is a godsend when you're dead tired and need a coffee to perk you up. I bought mine during a sale, ha https://www.amazon.com/ENA-4-Full-Nordic-White/dp/B09TG5XT75/
Where did you get it serviced. Ours is crapping the bed after 3 years.
This sounds perfect! Which jura model do you have?
Edit: now that I’m looking closer - it seems like this and the other superautomatics are all focused on making espresso. Do you think it can get close to a “pour over like” drink?
My c60 does coffee. It tastes like drip.
Depends on what type of coffee you want, r/coffeemachines is a good place to ask or search for an answer
How will a built in grinder help with less effort? Or do you mean a bean to cup machine?
For the same reason as OP, we have a Delonghi Magnifica (was $499 on Amazon three years ago). Has held up well, my only complaint is that the wand only does cappuccino froth, so very bubbly and thick, not microfoam. Wife pushes a button, gets her coffee, goes on with life. Only need to fill with water and beans, empty the drip tray occasionally, and of course, dump the used coffee pucks. The brew element sometimes needs to be rinsed. Very minimal and fully automatic.
If you want a superauto, r/superautomatic is the best place to ask for recs.
Otherwise, a Breville like the BBE may be the bes of both worlds. The workflow is only very slightly more manual but you'll appreciate the extra control and it won't be that much more work for your wife.
Hello, just purchased a Moccamaster KBGT and realized the coffee ginder I currently use make the bean too fine. I read for this machine, it's best to us a medium course grind.
My questions are:
1.) What's a middle of the road coffee bean grinder that you would recommend?
2.) Would you prefer electric or manual
3.) what the best coffee bean to use with a Moccamaster. I love coffee and there is a time and place for all blends.
Thank you
The very reliable, tried & true Baratza Encore
i've had mine for years, got it for $150 on amazon and eventually upgraded the burrs, but honestly the standard ones are fine too.
I have the Baratza Virtuoso. I love the work it does.
I started roasting my own coffee to "save money" or just have fresher coffee.
Baratza Encore is always the answer
Electric
Whatever you can get that freshest and local typically - I have “me” beans (local) and beans for company (Caribou medium roast)
I have a baratza encore.
I get my whole beans from HomeGoods. They carry various varieties of 12oz whole bean bags for around $7.99. I usually get BKG bags from them and try other unique roasters when they have em (https://bkgcoffee.com).
Normally the roast date is not on the package but I never had an issue with freshness they taste great. I feel it’s a good compromise for non grocery store coffee and not paying $12-$16 for same size bags at small local coffee shops.
Check the marketplace on Facebook, can usually find really good deals on there. I just now checked my local area & was able to find a used one for $75
The Oxo Brew grinder works well for me and it's very reasonably priced.
Very new to the coffee scene and want to improve my Pour Over skills at home. Having trouble getting a small enough grind size with my current equipment. Using a Hario Skerton Pro for the past few months but after some time, I feel the grinder has become unreliable and has dropped in performance. Small pieces will clog the Burr, grind quality has become inconsistent, and I believe the Burr has become "off-centered". Lots of wiggle to the inner bur, resulting in contact with the outer housing and I'm afraid one day it will chip and drop little ceramic bits into the chamber. (Honestly I think it's the handle applying pressure upwards/downwards leaning the burr into the outer ceramic ┐(‘~`;)┌)
I'm interested in the VSSL Java, but that won't be dropping until next year in Feb-Mar. Should I splurge for a Comandante C40? ($250) or save money going for 1Zpresso's JX Series? ($129) Are there any brands that have emerged recently that have proved to be reliable?
I appreciate any and all feedback, and I'm excited to keep the coffee journey going!! Thank you reader for your time and thoughts.
My JX Pro is fantastic. Didn't try the C40 to compare, but I am satisfied.
Have to second this. Love this grinder and its consistency. Shame that I am not as consistent!
If you can afford it, just go the c40. There's a reason they're the benchmark high end in manual grinders.
Even if it seems a bit expensive, it's an absolute joy to use and the quality is just amazing. You'll enjoy using it every day.
I second this. I love the grinder so much.
Definitely true for me. In fact, I'm gonna go use it right now...
I have no regrets with my 1zpresso JX. Punches well above its weight and is really well made with stainless steel parts. Diminishing returns is definitely a thing. No doubt the C40 is “better”. But I’m not sure it’s $100 better.
I've not seen any direct comparison that says the C40 is actually better tbh
Comandante is awesome and have had mine over a year now
I am extremely satisfied with the c40. Highly recommended!
Hi everyone! I've been using the Hario slim plus for some time and I'm delighted with the result but I'd like to jump on the next and upgrade my grinder to something faster, either electric or manual but just capable of getting my coffee ready quicker and with less effort. Since I usually only grind for myself I don't need something with a huge capacity. I've seen the Baratza Encora recommended a lot over here but I'm looking for something on a lower price range that's still capable of delivering a reliable result. What could you guys recommend me? Thanks a lot in advance!
Kingrinder k2/k4 are better for espresso, but can do filter coffee. Kingrinder k6 more universal and has a faster grind. Timemore C2/3 is similar to K6 but more oriented for pourover and can be used for occasional espresso.
1zpresso Q2 heptagonal
The pentagonal is also okay if having more fine particles produces the coffee you like.
It's a small hand grinder that I bring with me to work. Anything more than a single serving would be multiple fills into the grinder and emptying the catch cup.
Thanks for the recommendation. Can you tell me how long it takes to grind a serving?
I recommend the x-pro over the q2. It's slightly larger, has external calibration ring (much more convenient over the q2 setup), and most importantly gives you .125 microns per click vs .25 which gives much more variability and range to use with whatever type of coffee you are brewing.
Personally just ground 21g light roast decaf at 18 clicks, so there are a few sudden stops. Took me less than 30s. I have the Q2 pentagonal
A lot faster than the Hario Slim. Like 45s for 20g.
I've got the hario slim and just got a Kingrinder K4. Haven't used it for espresso yet but my goodness the speed compared to the Hario is incredible.
I just bought an eighty dollar Oxo burr grinder after fifty years of using a rotary blade grinder because both of my brothers insisted that I was wasting my life drinking sub-par coffee. I am very happy with the results.
I chose this Oxo because 1) it was way cheaper than 'good' ones; 2) it has a timer so that I have (roughly) repeatable coffee amounts from day to day.
Here is what I have learned:
As anyone will tell you, using a timer is not an accurate way to measure grounds. However, I have been weighing the results and it is plus/minus a few percent.
Plus/minus a few percent is not important. The coffee tastes really good. I do not perceive the difference in the brew day to day.
Grind particle size consistency is supposed to be the big benefit of using a more expensive grinder. My brother has a $250 Breville grinder and we compared macro photos of the grounds. Visual inspection says there's not a lot of difference
Hoffman used a sieve thing the other day to sort grounds into three sizes. I'd very much like to try that.
Oxo Eighty Bucks. You won't be sad.
If you are low on budget, get a hand grinder, as you wont get good electric grinders in that range. Any steel burr hand grinder will be better than the Hario.
As recommended, the 1zpresso Q2, Timemore C3 are good options. If you can spend more, get a higher spec grinder, like the 1zpresso J/JX/JX-Pro, or Kinu M47.
Feel free to share links to beautiful ones!
I've got an old Peugeot hand grinder, for my morning ritual. Perfect for pour over and French Press grinds. You can get close to moka grind but it's a labour. If I don't have time, in to the Wilfa it goes
Ahh THANK YOU. This is precisely what I was looking for! It never even crossed my mind as I only know their salt and pepper mills but it is a familiar brand, a ‘heritage’ one, and Peugeot manufactures beautiful products.
I have kept on top of all of the responses, but honestly, everything looked so modern and bulky. If something is going to be bulky I would prefer it to look like an antique which adds character to the room. It’s a ‘me’ thing in case anybody is wondering 😂
I’ve found some beautiful ones:
We've got the Nostalgie
Comandante C40 it’s engineering art, easy to use, jars fit my espresso basket and aeropress, quality grind
Baratza Encore. I sold my fellow ode for this $150 grinder and it does the job wonderfully.
I'm a big fan of the Encore. It's a bit loud, but it makes a good consistent grind each and every time.
I did the same but man it’s loud as hell hah.
Comandante c40. Bombproof design and great burrs. Cons; doesn’t fit in an aeropress and the owner is a bit of an arsehole.
Do you mean that the body of the C40 does not fit in the AP directly? Cause the bean jar does seem to fit perfectly in my case.
Neither. Some grinders fit inside the plunger.
My favorite is the 1zpresso JMax.
They’ve decided that they invented the idea of ‘cylindrical hand grinder operated by a handle’ and have initiated legal action against other companies, mainly timemore i think
I own a Porlex Mini Hand Grinder (ceramic) at the moment and lately I’ve noticed some wear and tear on the burrs while I clean the grinder. I wanted to know if there are any other manual grinders that you recommend! For context, I’m brewing with a Kalita Wave Dripper 185 and a Bialetti Moka Express 6 Cup.
I used C40, 1Zpresso JX and Timemore Chestnut. Commandante was my least favorite. It grinds better than Timemore but I prefer the feel of Timemore (wood + metal). 1Zpresso is the best of the three imo.
I haven't tried Kinu Phoenix but it looks great and gets great reviews.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts! What about the 1Zpresso stands out in your opinion?
It's incredibly fast and smooth. I like the way it looks, plus it's almost 100% metal. The only downside I see is the plastic cap but Commandante has it as well.
Thank you, this is really helpful! That Comandante looks awesome, a little pricey but definitely the grinder I want to save ion for!
I have the comandante, I had a good impression on it and I have even written good things about it on reddit. However, I truly don't think it is worth its price after finding a manufacturing defect that they commented the following "falls under acceptable range" on it.
Here are good and even cheaper options: For espresso: Helor 101 and Lido E-T.
For Filter: I'd say Lido E-T is on bar with Comandante, as comandante in my experience was all over the place (due to alignment).
I'd say if you want to up your espresso (more expensive) even more than commandante with a red clix then I think there're: Apollo BPlus and Kinu M47 (all models are good )
TBH, I haven't tried them all but I have tried Kinu M47 classic and Lido E-T (was too big for my taste). However if I could go back and buy another one it'll most probably be Lido... Again.. or on a totally opposite path, maybe a Vario with steel burrs.
I don't want to hate on Comandante but trust me not all of their grinders are well aligned. You could get a really good one from them or not. In my case, I wasn't lucky and their support team was active but not helpful.
Please know that this is my experience and yours may vary, and I felt the need to type this to balance out the praise I've given this grinder before. Consider me as the devil's advocate.
Feel free to ask me if you wish.
The Lido definitely seemed a bit big for what I’m looking for. Thank you for that info on the Comandante regarding varying alignment. I really appreciate it! I’ll look into the Helor 101!
I have a Lido ET. It is big. The advantage of this is that it grinds coffee very quickly. 15g coarse will grind in about 15-20 seconds. 18g espresso in about 60 seconds.
If I could go back I would buy it again. I even throw it in a backpack and cycle to work with it.
You can't go wrong with it! Ma man, take care of yourself!
Sure dude. The alignment was clearly off, one of the burrs blades was kinda chipped off from factory. Most importantly my cups weren't consistent, sometimes fines clog my filter and sometimes boulders are so visible.
Generally speaking you'll hear people recommend the LIDO 3 or the Commandante C40.
Thanks !!
You might find Hoffmann’s review of “ultimate” grinders to be helpful. I have a Comandante. Interestingly enough, the Porlex Mini is included because it won the cheap grinder review.
Best Coffee Maker With Grinder
Key Considerations for Choosing the Best Coffee Maker with Grinder:
Grind Settings: Look for a coffee maker that offers multiple grind settings (coarse to fine) to accommodate different brewing methods and personal preferences.
Brew Strength Control: Some models allow you to adjust the brew strength, which can enhance the flavor based on your taste.
Capacity: Consider how much coffee you typically brew. Options range from single-serve to larger carafes (10-12 cups).
Ease of Cleaning: A removable grinder and brew basket can make cleaning much easier. Look for models with dishwasher-safe parts.
Programmable Features: Features like a timer or auto-start can be convenient for brewing coffee at specific times.
Build Quality and Warranty: A durable machine with a good warranty can provide peace of mind and longevity.
Recommendations:
Breville BDC650BSS Grind Control: This model offers adjustable grind settings, brew strength control, and a large capacity (up to 12 cups). It's known for its excellent build quality and flavor extraction.
Cuisinart DGB-900BC Grind & Brew: A more budget-friendly option, it features a built-in grinder, programmable settings, and a 12-cup capacity. It's user-friendly and easy to clean.
Capresso 465 CoffeeTeam TS: This model combines a conical burr grinder with a thermal carafe, keeping coffee hot without a hot plate. It also offers grind settings and brew strength options.
Choosing a coffee maker with a grinder can enhance your coffee experience by ensuring freshness and flavor. Consider your specific needs and preferences when making a selection!
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