TL;DR
Durability and Performance
For woodworking, the Makita belt sanders are highly recommended due to their reliability and performance. Users have praised both the 3"x21" and 4"x24" models for their effectiveness in handling large tasks [1:1]. Porter Cable is also a favored brand among construction professionals for its robust build
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Budget-Friendly Options
For those on a budget, the Rigid 3"x18" offers a more affordable option with a lifetime warranty, although it may not be suitable for larger tasks [1:3]. The Harbor Freight 1x30 model is another budget-friendly choice for knifemaking, though it's not ideal for heavy-duty work
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Knife Sharpening
The Ken Onion Worksharp with Blade Grinder Attachment is recommended for knife sharpening, offering precision and ease of use [2:2]. The Vevor 1x30 is another popular choice for knife enthusiasts, providing versatility and a wide range of available belts
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Belt Quality
When considering belt quality, ceramic belts are suggested for their longevity compared to traditional aluminum oxide or zirconia belts, especially when sanding metal [4:1]. Brands like Klingspor and Mirka offer high-quality options that are worth the investment
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Customer Service
Work Sharp stands out for its excellent customer service, which has been appreciated by users who encountered issues with their products [5:1]. This level of support can be crucial when investing in tools that require maintenance or replacement parts.
Overall, the best belt sander depends on your specific needs, whether it's woodworking, knifemaking, or general use. Consider factors such as durability, price, and intended use to make an informed decision.
I know someone who is just getting into woodworking and wants to learn a lot in a short amount of time, therefore, I wanted to hear some opinions of what belt sander works for them in terms of durability, safety, and price.
Let me know down below, I have gotten recommended this Craftsman one a couple times but I would like to hear some more opinions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XIdcmPYVxY
I wouldn't recommend a beginner use a belt sander for furniture.
But, if you want one I'd steer clear of anything from craftsman. I have a Makita that works great. I'm sure Milwaukee, DeWalt, or even Rigid would be better. I have a relative who works construction and he mentioned all the flooring guys he works with all use Porter Cable belt sanders.
I've had the 3"x24" Makita for many, many years...it's a workhorse. Purchased the Rigid 3"x18" about 6 months ago for smaller, onsite tasks. Both work well, but the Rigid was several hundred less. The stay on switch is kinda touchy. It's finicky to keep it running non-stop while scribing material. Good thing about the Rigid? Lifetime warranty. I wouldn't rely on it for bigger tasks though.
I too have a Makita. I started with, and still have, a 3” x 21”. I recently purchased a 4” x 24” and question why I ever used a smaller one! If you are serious about getting a belt sander, I have had remarkable results with a Makita.
Agreed, though there a bit of a price difference between the Makita and others, and I have no idea what OPs budget is
There are lots of tools that a beginner should buy before getting a belt sander. What exactly is he hoping to accomplish with it? Surfacing rough lumber? Get a jointer or planer or hand plane. Smoothing glue ups? Get a ROS.
A belt sander in inexperienced hands can do a lot of damage in a hurry.
I don't find much difference between one belt sander and another, they are simple devices. I own the one in your link and it works fine for my needs, it's not too big or too heavy, but really anything that moves a sanding belt would do.
I like the Bosch 4". Variable speed, tracks well, balanced, heavy, can use one handed for wide panels.
Craftsman is a home hobbyist brand that is not intended for daily high volume use in a professional shop. Dewalt, Porter Cable, Milwaukee, are better choices.
Looking for recommendations for a good all rounder belt sander for sharpening my knives and tips on what to look for. Space is not really an issue and budget is around £200
I use the Ken Onion Mk2 with Blade Grinder Attachment. There may be cheaper and larger options but I’m really pleased with my experience of the Worksharp.
I have the Ken onion and the vevor. Both have their positives and negatives. I didn’t like the Ken onion without the knife grinder attachment. Anything with a bevel was hard to get the whole edge sharp. I got the vevor about 2 weeks ago and I really like it but it does take some work to get set up well. If you want to use an angle guide the platen is not magnetic so you need to find a way to attach the guide. I made a new platen and used magnets. You can just sharpen on the slack parts of the belt which will give you a convex edge and you can use it out of the box. The belts that come with it are not great. I have tried two belt companies and cliff curry’s belts are way better than the other company. I got some combat abrasives belts and on the higher grits the tape at the seam was about 15-20 thousandths thicker than the belt so the seam was hitting the edge hard and dulling it. They are fine belts for other tasks but the 600 and 800 were not good for sharpening. The vevor is nice because of the variable speed and direction. I do wish the direction could be changed by a switch or button but you have to go into the menu and change it. Not a big deal once you know how to do it but would be nice on a switch. Hope this helps.
Thank you so much for this - where did you buy the ken onion and then the vevor from?
The Ken onion I got at rockler and the belt grinder attachment was off Amazon. The Ken onion was on clearance or else I would have bought them together. The vevor I bought straight from the vevor website. There are some 5% off codes out there. Neeves knives actually just posted one in one of his last videos. Shipping was quick. I’m in the US. It was through a shipping company I had never heard of and a guy in a minivan dropped it off. Only took a few days though. There are some other ones on Amazon that are similar to the vevor. I went with vevor because of how the mounting was on the control box. A lot of the Amazon ones the control box mounts under a shelf or upside down on a table.
The Bucktool Low Speed 1x30 grinder is hard to beat for the price, and Cliff Curry has one in his shop.
The Vevor 1x30 is receiving lots of praise. Even by Cliff Curry.
I'm strongly considering justifying the purchase myself.
Definitely seems to be highly recommended
I love my Ken onion also, but look at a Vevor 1x30 in the same price bracket. It’s more full featured and belts are widely available. Remember your budget needs to include abrasives, and they can get expensive quickly.
I'm relatively budget tight, but what is the best belt sander to buy for knifemaking?
I just started with a 1x30 from harbor freight. I know it's not ideal, but it's working pretty well for me so far.
It ain't perfect but you ain't getting much for that price. What I'm using to get started.
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I had and used this one for a few years.. Mine didn't say Palmgren on it but it was the same. I upgraded mine by adding a platen. I also ended up replacing the motor bearings.. It got me by but it wasn't a 2X72..
Yeah, I have a tile platen on mine. I also got rid of a bunch of the guards to make it more usefull. I use it to remove the bulk of the edge on the blade. Then I move to a wooden jig and files. If I was doing production work I'd buy a 72 but I'm just a guy farting around in his garage. This is working for me for now.
Thanks! I doubted I'd get one for less than 200$, but it was worth a shot!
It's not the best, but I got by with the 4x36 from harbor freight. Use a 20% off coupon and it's affordable. I used it for a couple months before building my own 2x72
You could make one. There’s quite a few good videos on YouTube.
That will depend quite a bit on how tight the budget is and where you live.
im in the US (in a very populated area) an budget is 150$ or less.
I picked up some pretty solid belt sanders on the side of the road. I need to find new belts for them though. A 3x18 and 3x24.
I love the 3M cubitron II professional sand paper but I can't seem to find any belts where it shows that in the description.
What belts do you like best and do you know of any with the cubitron?
I order all my belts for all my sanders from Amazon or combatabrasives.com. I have not tried 3m cubitron yet but I’ve heard a lot of people like them. I really like ceramic belts they tend to last way longer than traditional aluminum oxide or zirconia belts especially when sanding any type of metal but they do cost a little more up front.
I'm kinda ok with more expensive if they legit last longer. I don't get a ton of time to work so I want my time to be productive. I don't want to have to be constantly switching sandpaper because it's clogged up or worn through in 5 min.
I don't do a lot of metal sanding but I might start. I used to do a lot of metal work and recently got my hands on some pretty nice steel I want to make some tools or knives out of.
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I barely used my Kitchen Professional so imagine my horror when I went to use it and the weight of a paring knife caused the sanding belt to stop. At first I thought it was related to the tension of the belts because they seemed pretty slack. I emailed CS and took a closer look at the mechanism, pulled the old drive belt (rubber band really) out and realized it had simply aged and lost tension completely. In fact when I stretched it, it stayed in the new size.
So I went through my junk drawer, found a rubber O-ring (from a Garmin bike mount if you're curious) and tried swapping. Instant fix.
HOWEVER - ten minutes later when I got back to my PC - I'm not kidding, I had a response from WS -- explaining it was likely the drive belt, not the sanding belt, and they'd already shipped one to me for free.
So I replaced the Garmin o-ring with the real deal, not two days later. And lemme tell you, as unused as my unit was, it was like, five years old.
Anyway, credit where it's due. I'm a convert now.
They’ve been helpful for me too. That’s why I choose them over other companies. I’m still waiting to hear back from Wicked Edge about a missing piece. I sent them an email about two years ago…
Stick with Work Sharp. They’re good people.
Hi, I’m new to posting on this sub but I have been woodworking for over 7 years now. I have been mainly making cutting boards, both side grain and end grain, and I’m getting tired of the time it takes me to sand. I have a drum sander which really helps speed things up but the final sanding takes a while. I have a simple Bosch random orbital sander but it always takes so long. I’ve been thinking of buying the Festool RO 150 FEQ 6” Rotex Sander and I’m wondering if I’m headed in the right direction.
Thanks!
Festools are great; note that that Rotex is a BEAST. It's amazing for what it is, but it might be more sander than you really want - go test it at a Festool dealer or somewhere. Perhaps ETS 150/5 EQ-Plus which is a moderately aggressive one.
I also really like the Mirka sanders, I find them more ergonomic for me.
I was wondering if it would be too aggressive but I do deal with end grain quite a bit so maybe not. I’ll have to go test them in person at a local Rockler store. Thank you!
Apparently the new bosh GET series is pretty good. It’s getting comparisons to the Festool Rotex.
Paper makes the real difference imo. 3m cubitron is the popular option. Arguably the best on the market. I recently invested in this Diablo mesh stuff from Home Depot. It’s pretty good. It’s supposed to compare to the 3m stuff. It lasts 10 times longer than your average sand paper, and because it’s a mesh, it evacuates dust way better too. It’s a night and day difference. In fact I guarantee my harbor freight sander will out perform any top end sander if I have the good paper and that have standard.
Here for the answer. I’ve been looking at the Surfprep sanding kits but not sure if they are any good.
The Bosch GET75-6N is the most sander for the least money.
Bought the older version of the Bosch new in 2015 and was blown away. I still tell people about how the turbo mode shot a six foot walnut slab across my bench because I didn’t think I needed it clamped down.
Had the opportunity to pick up a lightly used rotex 6” less than a year later so I did. Sold the Rotex a year or so later because I preferred the Bosch.
Mainly felt better in my hands and less fatigue after using it for long periods of time. They are both amazing sanders though and either one is a good choice.
I purchased the newer version of the Bosch in 2023 and it’s even more comfortable. Locked the old one is a bench top stand and still use it regularly as well, ten years old this year, doesn’t feel like it’s lost any power.
I will say my personal preference lies a lot in the fact that I’ve never been as impressed with a festool tool for the amount of money I’ve dished out for them. Great tools, I’m a value guy though and Bosch has them beat there.
So I've been into sharpening for awhile. I own a TSProf Blitz 360 which is great and gets knives killer sharp. But I'm looking to get into something quicker... Recently I watched a Microtech video where someone took a totally unsharpened knife to shaving sharp in a matter of two minutes with a big belt sander. Do you guys have recommendations on a cheaper sander and some quality belts that I should go for? Not really looking for a wet wheel system either. Appreciate it.
They are some definite disadvantages sharpening with a belt sander. Affecting heat treat etc. Knife steel nerds has a interesting write up about that: https://knifesteelnerds.com/2019/04/08/does-sharpening-with-a-grinder-ruin-your-edge/ Plus of course the type of edge you're going for..... It takes some practice , skill to get proficient with belt sanders....... Just like stones. Especially using a smaller 1x30 model. It doesn't take me very long at all to sharpen dull knives with stones, So I've not really explored using my belt sander much... I've done some repairs with it.... I mostly use it for making handles currently.... A lot of people will do repair , removal of a lot of material from a knife with a belt sander and finish up with stones. (Being careful to manage heat as best they can)
I have one of those inexpensive harbor freight type of 1x30 belt sander, for the price it's pretty nice. They are some modifications you can explore for them, like being able to change out the motor so you get a slower belt speed. I removed the plastic cover on the side, making changing belts a lot easier.
As far as belts go I was little disappointed with the super inexpensive different Amazon options. It's not as if they're bad but I definitely had some finishing issues, scratches on some handles I was making at the time. I did order some belts , produced in Japan , from maker material supply https://www.makermaterialsupply.com/ It's been far too cold out to use my workshop, So I've not used it them yet.
EDIT If you wanted something powered, that's fast that does an amazing job check out the Tormek T4 or T8. With a large variety of attachments, the T8 version has some aftermarket wheels you can get as well.
If you're coming from a guided sharpening system, I think you're better off with that than a cheap belt grinder. The transition from whetstone sharpening to belt grinding is far easier than from guided sharpening. With whetstones, an operator will have some practice holding the knife at the right angle on the whetstone, which is a critical skill to have when you've essentially got a moving whetstone that removes materials 10x faster on a belt grinder. There's very little time to react before you overheat the steel or round the tip, especially if the grinder does not have variable speed.
I have never used a 1 x 30, but I can't imagine wanting to use one after having used a 2" belt since starting on a grinder. Main issue is that I think it would be much harder to put a clean profile on a knife with a 1" belt. I get a lot of knives from customers with recurved edges due to using a pull-through sharpener for maintenance. I'm using the platen and holding the knife diagonally on it to get as much flat surface as possible when correcting the profile.
My setup is pretty economical and works really well for my current production volume. I'm using a Delta variable speed grinder from Lowes with a Multi-tool 2 x 36 grinder attachment. I believe retail on the two combined is under $450 before tax. I pretty much always use the lowest speed except for when I'm using a 36 grit belt to pull material off a really bad chip/tip repair or a really dull axe. I am using a garden sprayer with a long wand that locks open the spray to add water cooling when I need it. Belts are about $5-8 each, but that's a pretty negligible cost relative to how long they last. I've been very happily using Red Label ceramic belts in 36, 80, 180, and 400, followed by a Trizact A16 and leather polishing belt. Result is a mirror polish edge. Start to finish across a batch of knives, my production rate is usually about 2 inches a minute. My production volume is getting to the point where I just upgraded to a Jet 1 hp variable speed bench grinder to use with the Multi-tool attachment. The Delta works fine, but the motor gets pretty hot after about a half-hour. Not an issue right now in the winter, but definitely had to take breaks when we had the heat wave this last summer.
There was a time when all I used the belt grinder for was doing the primary bevel grind with an 80 grit and then finishing on stones. I had been using DMT X Coarse diamond stones before that and would usually wear them out after about 6 months of use. Then I started playing with higher grit belts and just ditched the stones altogether. I regularly check my work with a microscope and a clinometer and can very consistently deliver mirror polished edges to within a degree of the desire bevel angle that I am aiming for by feel without any angle guides. I have never overheated a blade to the point where I can see any discoloration, even under a microscope. I added the water cooling mostly so that I could do chisels when it helps to be able to just hold the large bevel on the platen to get it nice and flat. During the heat wave, I also used it as a precaution to avoid overheating knife steel.
I wouldn't worry too much about that knife steel nerds article. I've read it and it doesn't square with my experience. There are WAY too may variables to say that belt grinders will likely overheat your steel. Yes...it definitely can. Just buy some cheap knives at the thrift shop and hold it down on there for awhile and you'll see that it can happen quite quickly, even at low speeds. The condition of the belt, length of the belt, and most importantly, technique of the operator will determine if you actually do overheat the steel. It's all light touch, good flowing technique, and finesse on a belt grinder, which is again why I think it's a better transition from whetstone than guided sharpening. That said, it is quite fun. Just go buy some garbage knives from the thrift shop, practice for a bit, and you'll get the hang of it.
Pro Cliff Curry sells quality belts and recommends Rikon 1x30" variable speed belt sander with an angle guide. He has many sharpening YT vids. I occasionally grind on HF 1x30 with 120 SiC belt before stone or ceramic.
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Hey guys I recently bought a 1x30 belt sander with a 5" disc sander on the side. I'm wondering if you all have brand recommendations for the belts. Tia!!
I recently switched to Red Label Abrasives and find I get significantly more life out of each belt. I've been super happy with them.
Thatnk you. Imma check them out.
I've been using Red Label Abrasive for the past couple years. I only have a 1x39 but I'm working on something bigger. I recently googled them to see what's out there and there are so many more options than I thought. So what are your go to and favorites?
Red label is a good mix between quality and price. Not the best, but for the money it’s a solid choice. I use a lot of their stuff.
Full disclosure: I haven’t tried a lot of brands and I mainly do sharpening and new edges.
Second this. Love Red Label! Some of the longest lasting sanding belts I've used.
I use:
VSM Ceramic Plus 36 grit, 80 grit, 120 grit
VSM Ilumeron 240 grit, 400 grit, 800 grit, 1200 grit (mostly for sharpening)
Klingspor LS312 J Flex in 120 grit, 240 grit
I'll occasionally use Norton Blaze if there's a sale or my VSM Ceramic Plus aren't in stock
I've been very happy with Combat Abrasives ceramic 4x36 belts.
VSM ceramics are the go-to and what you are buying when you buy from most distributors. (Preferred, Red Label, Etc)
Preferred Abrasives has the best costs for smaller sized orders and fast flate rate shipping.
VSM are amazing. Not quite as good as Norton Blaze, but the price more than makes up for it.
The VSM blue destroyer 36 grit run laps around my 36 grit Norton blaze. I just wish that line of belts came in more than just 36 grit
I've tried a few. I definitely think ceramics are best. Norton blaze are really good for blogging material. If only go to 120 grit on those. Also trying out the combat abrasives and they seem pretty on par.
I've tried some others as well. There's a green Norton ceramic which I can't remember the name but they did not match the blaze.
They are a good bit more proxy than say aluminum oxide belts but last 10x longer and save you so much time over cheaper alternatives they are not even close to worth it.
For higher grits I like the trizac "gator" belts. I think I got a 240, 400, and 600
Combat has consistently been the worst belts I have used in every grit I have tried. They are slightly narrower than most other belts which doesn’t fully cover the platen. Every one has wobbled worse than any other belts I have used in 15 years. The grit shedding at the edge of the belt is possibly the worst I have seen in low grits, and the uniformity of grit size for a given belt is atrocious. When I get a 120 VSM or Norton, that shit is 120. When I get a 120 Combat, it looks like it has everything from 80-220 grit all mixed in the same belt.
I can get my knives to the point of cutting through cigarette paper using my 8k and 12k stone followed by stropping on plain leather.
I can also do the same using a 2k and 5k belt sander followed by stropping on plain leather. It just takes half the time.
Putting aside that this experiment shows my stones are way higher grit than I need, does anyone have long-term experience using a belt sander for sharpening? I suspect it will take more material off the knife, but I can't visually prove this.
belt sanders can take material off very quickly. buy some chinesium blades to practice on.
Most certainly! My last exposure to chinesium was my treadmill and it was quite satisfactory.
I do all my sharpening on a modified harbor freight 1x30.
I can get some pretty insane edges off of it in about 15 min start to finish. I have some nice water stones but honestly I don’t use them for much anymore because of just how effective a belt grinder is.
That being said, it definitely takes practice and it’s very easy to ruin a knife on if you apply too much pressure or use bad technique.
I have a harbor freight unit as well! My belts cost more than the sander!
... and any of my stones costs more than those. I might have a problem...
That said, I just tried this morning on two knives and they turned out pretty well. Seemed easier than using stones. Am I doing it wrong?
Nice! Not doing it wrong if you’re getting good results.
I’ve spent quite a bit of time optimizing my HF for sharpening, a few things I’ve found make a big difference:
Invest in a new motor for sure, the stock motor is way too fast and not variable speed, so it builds heat too quickly and takes off more steel per pass than you want. Penn State Industries makes a variable speed lathe motor that fits the grinder well with just a few modifications. I pretty much use it on the lowest setting exclusively.
Always sharpen edge down, it’s a lot safer because you never have to worry about the edge catching the belt and getting a knife kicked into your torso/hand.
The belt progression I’ve found to give great results is starting with a 220 grit belt until you have a nice burr on both sides, then using a leather belt loaded with chromium oxide paste to remove the burr. You end up getting a razor sharp edge with some nice slicing aggression. For a mirror finish you can go straight from 220 to a 1000 grit belt, then a 3000 grit, then leather.
Here’s my setup if you’re interested in taking a look: https://imgur.com/a/kCh6K31
A skilled operator can get incredible edges off belts.
People here are biased towards stones, fyi.
I like my stones too, but I'm always looking for better ways to do things.
Thanks for the heads up btw. I haven't been here too long.
One argument in favour of stones is the chance for a belt sharpened edge to acquire heat damage from being ground on the belt. And this is not a question about being careful and feeling the steel to check for temperature. The majority of heat damage is only the outer 0.1mm of the steel. And this damage happens WAY before you ever feel the steel getting hot.
Also not everyone has space for a belt grinder.
Although it's subject to some debate, there have been concerns about power sharpening and the high temperatures generated at the very edge by the abrasion process. Check out this thread and others like it: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/measuring-the-maximum-temperature-of-an-edge-during-belt-sanding-initial-results.1357231/
For me when it comes to knives using stones is a hobby. If I was going to sharpen as a profession I would use a setup like the edgepro to get consistent results every time. If I just needed something to put a quick edge on before each use then I would use a good pull through or electric. Simply faster and easier. If it’s an expensive knife that I have an investment in then I’m partial to taking my time and using stones but at the end of the day knives are tools so I treat them as such.
Straight Razors I only use stones personally but since it’s actually touching my face then feel and comfort is way more important than how sharp it is
best belt sander
Key Considerations for Choosing a Belt Sander:
Power and Motor Size: Look for a sander with at least a 6-amp motor for effective sanding. Higher amperage generally means more power and better performance on tougher materials.
Belt Size: Common belt sizes are 3x21 inches and 4x24 inches. Larger belts cover more surface area but can be heavier. Choose based on your project needs.
Speed Settings: Variable speed options allow for more control over the sanding process, making it easier to work with different materials and achieve desired finishes.
Dust Collection: A good dust collection system is essential for keeping your workspace clean and improving visibility. Look for sanders with built-in dust bags or ports for vacuum attachment.
Ergonomics and Weight: Consider the weight and design of the sander. A comfortable grip and balanced weight distribution will reduce fatigue during extended use.
Recommendations:
Makita 9403: This model is highly regarded for its powerful 11-amp motor, 4-inch wide belt, and excellent dust collection system. It’s great for heavy-duty sanding tasks and has a low noise level.
Bosch 1274DVS: Known for its variable speed control and ergonomic design, this sander is versatile and user-friendly, making it suitable for both beginners and experienced users.
DeWalt DWE6411K: A solid choice for those looking for a compact and lightweight option. It features a 1/8-inch sheet size and a dust bag, making it easy to handle and maintain.
Choosing the right belt sander depends on your specific needs, but these options are well-reviewed and offer a good balance of performance and usability.
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