You can just use carian slicer, instead of some kind of actual weapon. It consumes extremely low fp and deal most dps among other sorceries and can be purchased in the begining of the game. Grab carian regal scepter in one hand and azur or carian glintstone staff in other. Depend on your play style. Among daggers misericorde and glintstone kris are the best for mage build. But in comparison with slicer, in terms range and damage - they're outclassed. Can also recommend noble slender sword because of it low requirements, which perfectly match astrologer class. And moonveil is obvious choice.

Magic Misericorde+25 with Carian Grandeur AoW can put quite a punch :)

Bastard’s stars or wing of astel come to mind

Glintstone Kris has a special version of Glintstone Pebble, with an insane follow-up lunge

Im a full sorc main. I only use the jellyfish shield and Lusats staff. I can share my build (: once I get home lol

Have you checked what is here already?

The game was been out for a long time, and several people have authored good Sorcerer guide.

If it was me, I'd enter in the search bar: "sorcery guide"

You will get at least six different documents which are worthwhile reads.

HTH

As people have pointed out, you can use different ashes of war to give any weapon Int scaling, besides that

Wing of Astel is a curved sword with native Int scaling

All the crystal weapons have native int scaling (crystal spear, crystal sword)

The bastard's Stars and Family Heads are flails with native Int scaling, just to name a few, hope you have fun!

Just stumbled upon this thread and wanted to comment for my vote since I'm in the same boat as you.

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I have been using Wings of Astel (+9) while my moonveil is still at +5.

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Now, to be fair, I only use melee if I'm dungeon crawling and trying to save FP for harder mobs, if I'm out of mana and in trouble fast, or if I am unable to hit a mob/boss with my spells due to it dodging fast or having a shield. Otherwise, magic is my main offense and much, much stronger.

However, I am really liking Wings of Astel so far. It is extremely fast. The right trigger heavy attack is cool. It imbues your sword with this blue magic during each swing making your sword AND the magic ranged attack (short range, but still) both hit for damage that stacks. And it cost zero FP. You just get an awesome, magic animation and attack for free.

Now the main reason Astel is useful to me at least, is for FAST mobs that you cant cast against or the shielded ones. This is where Astel's Weapon Art shines. You can easily cast it, and even a shielded enemy WILL get obliterated because it is a frontal... area of effect attack that goes off multiple times. (It's a fucking galaxy exploding so it's pretty sick). This can also hit bosses really hard and multiple times since they are generally large creatures and will easily get hit by the multiple hits of the skill. This skill has honestly been the sole reason I've been able to kill certain random, but godly fast enemies in the Gaol telporter things for example. 100%

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Now again, aside from those very specific instances, I don't use melee. Magic is vastly stronger than just doing normal melee swings. But for those instances listed above, I truly do love this weapon and think it is incredible. Bonus being that it scales with Int and Dex, so you can at least get a little bit faster cast times by putting points into Dex, whereas you get no real benefit of Strength stats on a mage as far as I know.

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It's a pain in the ass to get access to this weapon, but definitely worth it. At the very least, get it and test it out. It's fun. It does NOT do well with staggering enemies though. Any and every mob will keep charging at you even if you're wailing into them with the magic heavy attacks.

any normal weapon with magic scale will do

Preferably mace to hit miners

Meteorite ore Blade is cool

There's no denying that katanas are strong weapons--even non-moonveil katanas. Magic infused, or keen infused and then buffed with Scholar's Armaments/Frozen weapon.

But you can also do great with a rapier or dagger with a high crit rating, I used one as a mage for a long time. Glintblade phalanx as the ash of war, which will stun enemies in one or two rounds, allowing you to finish them in one stab with your buffed dagger/rapier.

Other than that...there are a bunch of magic STR/quality weapons that I haven't touched at all yet, because I haven't made a STR/INT build

Ordovis Greatsword has good Str and a bit of faith scaling. Blasphemous Blade would be an option too. Get that Str to at least 60 if you two hand it

With those stats you’ll do very mediocre damage with everything. I’d respec and pump at least one damage stat to 80 and dump stats that you aren’t using like intelligence. 50 strength does put you at a decent amount if you’re two handing a weapon, but that limits you to pure strength weapons for your best damage.

Incantations scale purely off of faith (mostly), so I’d consider maybe dumping all your dexterity down to 18 or so and putting those points into faith.

Claymore. You gravitate towards a quality build so this would be the obvious choice. Excellent moveset and good poise damage. Scales good with quality and is flexible as hell. Put as much points in faith as you need for your favorite incantations. I would say 25 is enough so can use golden vow and some weapon buffs. The rest you can dump in strength and dex... Just my humble opinion.

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Da deine Weisheit relativ niedrig ist, sind Zauberwaffen, die stark auf Glaube setzen, zwar möglich, aber nicht die beste Wahl für dich. Stattdessen sind Waffen, die eher auf Stärke und Geschick angewiesen sind, viel effektiver für deinen Spielstil.

Falls du mit Zaubern experimentieren möchtest, könntest du einige, die Glaube benötigen, ausprobieren, aber der Fokus auf physische Waffen ist bei deinem Build wahrscheinlich am effektivsten.

Ich würde dir raten, mit Großen Schwerten oder Kolosswaffen zu arbeiten, wie dem Ruins Greatsword oder Giant-Crusher, um das Potenzial deiner Stärke voll auszuschöpfen. Wenn du zusätzliche magische Fähigkeiten nutzen möchtest, kannst du auch Waffen wie das Blasphemous Blade in Betracht ziehen.

For early game get the

Equipment: Meteorite staff

Spells to get: Rocksling

Spells: Rocksling, pebble, and carian slicer.

For mid game (after 45 - 55 int) (have around 20 mind and by endgame get 25 to 30 but around 25 minimum)

Equipment to get: Staff of loss for night sorceries, get lusat or azur’s staff as your main staff, moonveil, wing of astel, or darkmoon greatsword (I like to keep moonveil and dmgs but mainly use dogs, moonveil is useful for fast enemies tho, this eliminates need for carian slicer.

Spells to get: Adula’s moon blade, Shard Spiral, Cometshard/Comet/(Whatever Glintstone pebble variation you need, and a phalanx spell for close range, and magic glintblade

Spells: Rocksling, Shard Spiral, Pebble variation, Moonblade, Phalanx spell, and Magic glintblade (personally never used the last 2 so 8 memory slots was all I needed before going int/fai in Ng+)

For end game (About 60 to 70 int)

Equipment: Switch to carian regal sceptre or if you were stupidly like me and sold rennala’s remembrance azur’s works fine (especially if your doing no summons)

Spells to get: Comet Azur (to cheese annoying bosses like the tree sentinel in front of maliketh) Ranni’s dark moon, meteorite of astel (again for cheese)

Spells: Rocksling, shardspiral , pebble variation, moonblade, phalanx spell of your choice, magic glintblade, and Ranni‘s darkmoon, now comet azur and meteorite of astel should not be on your memory slots unless you absolutely need them or else you will get tempted.

Talismans: Doesn’t really matter just get the one that replenishes cerulean flask charges , green turtle talisman is very important, stargazers heirloom is good mid game (+5 int) and the rest is up to you.

Extra tips: Use dmgs aow as an extra spell very helpful, shard spiral is very good against fire giant, dragon bosses and Elden beast, just big boys in general and thats about all have fun!

Depends on the stat spread you go with for your Dragon Communion Seal. A FAI 43/ARC 43 split would give you 339 incant scaling. However, a FAI 28/ARC 70 split would give you about the same.

I’m assuming the difficulty in choice of weapon is due to you going with the former stat spread? With the latter stat spread, you could easily pick any weapon and just use Occult.

For example, an RL150 Prophet can have VIG 50 MIND 22-25 END 22-19 STR 14 DEX 16 INT 7 FAI 28 ARC 70.

You can use all Dragon Communion incantations with this build. You also have access to the following good weapons: Star Fists, Vulgar Militia Shotel, Banished Knight’s Halberd, almost every hammer including Spiked Club, Morning Star, Hammer, etc. And then, Uchigatana, Scythe, Spiked Spear, and basically every standard straight sword. Use Occult affinity on them. Bonus points for the ones that have native bleed. Having 70 ARC would scale both the physical damage and bleed buildup with your stat.

If you found an extra 1 point from another stat, you could have 15 STR, enough to two-hand an Occult Great Stars.

And even at 28 FAI, Flame-Art affinity does good work on all these weapons too. Plus you can easily buff your overall damage with spells like Golden Vow (aura buff), Howl of Shabriri/Flame Grant Me Strength (either or, not both body buffs).

What do you think?

My favorite build is a dragon communion build. I get faith the minimum I need for those spells and the rest goes to arcane. Those spells actually scale with arcane. Then I use a bleed weapon that also scales with arcane. Damage output from the blade and the spells is extremely high. I am in NG+4 and it never fails me.

I use a weapon that scales with dex and arcane. It keeps the load out lighter than the weapons that scale with strength for this build. You need a lot of FP for this build as the dragon communion spells use up quite a bit

Only one that comes to mind is bloodfiends fork. Use a holy or flame art infusion on it for split scaling. Other infusible weapons with either good faith or arc scaling should work. If it has faith scaling you can go bleed/occult affinity or if it has arc scaling you can go holy/flame art affinity.

Flowerstone gavel. Perfect for dragon cult incants

im trying occult flameverge with bleed build, it feels pretty good

Go crazy with 70 Int with the Regal Scepter(Rennala rememberance)

Ranni's Dark Moon is a must for bosses

I'd use either the Erdtree's Favor +2 for some extra stamina or the Two Headed Turtle talisman to increase stamina recovery

The new Gravitational Missile spell is incredible for free aiming at the ground with a huge get off me explosion aoe, and very FP efficient

Graven-Mass Talisman buffs sorceries by 8%

Magic Scorpion Charm Talisman buffs magic damage by 12%

Probably obvious but don't forget the Magic Tear for your Physick

I've never used it because it seems inconvenient, but Terra Magica could be good for you. It buffs any Magic by 35%

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Same as other builds with vigour between 40-60, and enough endurance to medium roll

For mind 38 is ideal as that’s how much one fully upgraded flask will fully recharge but you can get away with less

Int is obviously your main damage stat and getting it to 80 is ideal, if you’re using weapons and doing a spell sword build then usually just go minimums in dex and strength and pump Int

For staffs you’re best bet is

40 int and below meteorite staff

41 - 68 int academy glintstone

68 int and above carian regal sceptre

The Lusat staff has higher scaling, but personally I don’t like the higher fp consumption but it def can maximize damage

If exclusively using night sorceries staff of loss is best bet

The other staffs can have good bonuses to certain schools of magic that can be worth off handing when using those spells

You can go spellsword with a weapon and there’s lots of good options or you can go straight sorceries as there are some great melee options like carian slicer, adulas moonblade, carian piercer, gavel of haima

Some S-tier sorceries imo are:

Impenetrable thorns, night shard, ice crag, carian slicer, adulas moonblade, rannis dark moon, rock sling, magma shot, magic glintblade, Tera magica, comet azur, carian piercer, fleeting microcosm

Lots of other options to try and see tho, a lot of it is personal preference

DISCLAIMER: the greatsword of judgement is not that good of a weapon, but if you wanna have fun (or cosplay as Sulyvhan)... who am I to stop you from using it.

The Greatsword of judgement requires 17 STR, 15 DEX and 12 INT, but scales mostly with INT. I would reccomend going with 17 STR, 15 DEX and 40 to 60 INT.

As for the other stats, aim for: at least 30 vigor (even 40 if you're planning to go in NG+ and further) and 30 endurance. Attunement... isn't really necessary in my opinion. Vitality... depends on what armor you're going to wear, but I wouldn't go higher than 15 as Havel's ring is a thing.

Rings: definitely cloranthy ring for stamina regen, FAP ring for some extra stats, magic clutch ring (boost magic damage but reduces your own defenses, so, if you feel unsure about it, you can either use Lloyd's sword ring, which boosts damage by 10% when at full health, or something that boosts your defense) and probably havel's ring.

This sword is not buffable, but if you want to use sorceries hit me up and I can change something

Depends how much str/dex you plan to have. And if you wanna use weapon buffs or just infuse.

Lothric knight sword and astora great sword both make excellent options for infusing. Most fast weapons are good for buffing, like sellsword twinblades.

If lower stats, estoc, broadsword, longsword, and shortsword are all solid options.

i liked executioners greatsword can’t infuse it tho and doesn’t scale off int at all, but killing enemies can restore fp and if u spamming spook/hidden body running around back stabbing everything it’s great.

One handed weapon with crystal infusion.

Aquamarine dagger. It’s a lightsaber!! Ringed City dlc though.

Heysel pick is the default meta option for PVP sorc