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Blackjack Basic Strategy

TL;DR Basic strategy minimizes the house edge in blackjack, making it a crucial tool for players aiming to reduce losses. While it doesn't guarantee profits, combining it with card counting can potentially give players an advantage.

Importance of Basic Strategy

Basic strategy is essential for any blackjack player as it significantly reduces the house edge. By following basic strategy, players can lower the house advantage to as little as 0.26% [2:1]. This strategy involves making optimal decisions based on the player's hand and the dealer's upcard, which helps in minimizing losses over time [1:1].

Choosing the Right Strategy Chart

The effectiveness of basic strategy depends on the specific rules of the game being played. Different rule variations require different strategy charts, so it's important to use a chart tailored to the game's rules [3:2]. Websites like Wizard of Odds offer customizable strategy charts based on the rules of your specific blackjack game [3:1].

Beyond Basic Strategy: Card Counting

While basic strategy is a great starting point, card counting is the next step for those looking to gain an edge over the casino. Card counting allows players to track the ratio of high to low cards remaining in the deck, giving them insight into when they have a statistical advantage [5:1]. Popular card counting methods include Hi-Lo and Zen, although some strategies like KO are considered less effective [5:8].

Skill vs. Luck

Blackjack combines elements of skill and luck. While basic strategy and card counting can improve your odds, there is still an inherent element of chance involved in each hand [1:2]. Some players choose to deviate from basic strategy based on intuition or perceived patterns, but statistically, sticking to the proven strategy offers the best long-term results [4:1].

Recommendations for New Players

For new players, mastering basic strategy should be the first goal. Once comfortable, consider learning card counting techniques to further enhance your gameplay [5:2]. Avoid tables with continuous shuffling machines, as these negate the benefits of card counting [5:6]. Always ensure you're playing at a table with favorable rules to maximize the effectiveness of your strategy [3:5].

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Is blackjack actually beatable for casual players?

Posted by matthewd1123 · in r/OnlineCasinoBlackjack · 24 days ago
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I’ve heard people say blackjack is one of the few casino games you can “beat” with the right strategy, but I wonder if that’s realistic for casual players. I’ve been learning basic strategy, and while it’s definitely improved my game, I’m not sure I’d ever get to the point of consistent profit. Maybe it’s more about reducing losses than expecting to win in the long run. I’ve been playing both for fun and as a challenge to myself. What’s your take, skill game or still just luck in the end?

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mardymarve · 24 days ago

Skill definitely helps, especially with basic strategy. I check iGamingNuts for blackjack-friendly casinos, they don’t host games themselves, but they test and recommend ones with fair rules and decent payout speeds.

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Leilaghost17 · 17 days ago

Yeah, you can play blackjack smart, but it ain’t magic lol. Basic strategy cuts losses and can snag some wins. I play for the challenge, and on 1win the tables run smooth, so you can actually practice without stress. Mix of skill + luck, for sure

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What's the advantage of learning basic strategy if you are still at a loss?

Posted by Slayriah · in r/blackjack · 6 years ago

Hi everyone, newbie here

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I've been reading up on blackjack strategies and came across the basic strategy charts. From my understanding, it's imperative that any blackjack player, even a casual, should learn it.

but why? the house still holds the edge by 1%, right? if that is the case, why it it necessary to learn a losing strategy?

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beardeddream · 6 years ago

You add counting knowledge on top of basic strategy knowledge, suddenly you have the edge on a few high value hands per shoe.

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turpin23 · 6 years ago

Playing 100 hand per hour at $5 with, say, .5% edge, that is like $2.50 per hour average loss. Cheap entertainment, doesn't even pay for the dealer, the casino is kinda losing already even if you are too. Plus you then learn card counting and come out ahead.

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daddymemeboss · 6 years ago

Basic can lower the house advantage to .26%, learn to count and you can get an advantage.

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frugalrhombus · 6 years ago

Well it would depend on the rules, I know of maybe one game with rules that good

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tkcali77 · 6 years ago

Is this guy serious right now

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pfthewall · 6 years ago

I honestly can't tell. There definitely has been a significant increase in trolls on various gambling related subreddits lately though.

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zarx · 6 years ago

You lose more slowly..

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FishDawgX · 6 years ago

/thread

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jdhahksjxjx · 1 year ago

😂😂😂😂

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Basic Strategy Charts

Posted by Sigma_Ray · in r/blackjack · 3 years ago

Which basic strategy charts do you all recommend I use? I am new to blackjack.

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Crab_Soup · 3 years ago

The correct chart depends on the exact rules of the game you're playing. Slight rule changes affect certain optimal decisions.

You can generate the correct chart for the game you're playing on wizard of odds

https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/strategy/calculator/

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Warlock4209 · 3 years ago

For the newbies there’s different basic strategy cards for the different rules in blackjack..so find out what rules your table has and search the BS card those particular rules.

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joshmessenger · 3 years ago

These cards, especially the advanced ones are excellent

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Other_Criticism9888 · 3 years ago

Rule differences, from most important to least:

  1. Single or multiple decks - several differences.

  2. Hit or Stand on Soft 17 - 6 differences.

  3. Double after split, or not - tiny differences only for splitting pairs. Most important, don’t split fours if you can’t double after split.

Surrender, or not - your card should show surrender rules. If you can’t surrender, then just don’t.

Limited double down rules - just don’t double if you can’t.

Split limitations - just don’t split, if you can’t.

6:5. If blackjack only pays 6:5, instead of 3:2, do not play that game. Period. Go home.

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Sigma_Ray · OP · 3 years ago

Holy crap 😭

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Other_Criticism9888 · 3 years ago

It’s really no big deal. Just go to wizard of odds. Look at multiple deck charts, then print. He gives both s17 and h17 charts. Easy-peasy

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keithhill78 · 3 years ago

https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/basics/#basic-strategy

print out the one you need for where you play. i laminate mine but it's not necessary. i use mine at the table. just make sure it's smaller that a playing card. just ask yourself, do i want to play perfect blackjack or imperfect blackjack? pretty simple.

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Do you always follow basic strategy, or do you go with your gut?

Posted by RoughOwll · in r/playingcards · 5 months ago

Blackjack players know the basic strategy chart is mathematically proven to give the best odds. But sometimes, it’s tempting to go against the rules—hitting when you “shouldn’t” or doubling down on a risky hand.

I was playing on JokerSpades the other night and saw a guy split 10s against a dealer’s 6. It actually worked, but I wouldn’t have done it. Do you strictly follow basic strategy, or do you trust your instincts in certain situations?

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Panda2377 · 5 months ago

In blackjack you can count the cards and play on variants giving you higher ev. For example I think on a true count of 4 you can split 10s and still have a high percentage of winning the hand

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NeedleworkerNew1850 · 5 months ago

r/poker or r/blackjack would happily take your call.

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kiefferbp · 5 months ago

Please no.

Sincerely, /r/blackjack.

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NeedleworkerNew1850 · 5 months ago

ok

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ThePoodlePunter · 5 months ago

Not really the right sub. There are plenty of blackjack, car games and gambling subs out there. This is more about collecting physical cards.

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EndersGame_Reviewer · 5 months ago

Try r/fiftytwocards.

This sub is just about physical playing cards, not card games.

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slogfilet · 5 months ago

This is a playing card collector forum. Probably not the right sub!

But mathematics over gut. "It was working" it a statistical outlier.

There are deviations from basic strategy, but that's another story.

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What to practice after learning basic strategy

Posted by Trash512 · in r/blackjack · 5 years ago

I started betting at tables and to my surprise I've been winning a few hundred bucks I wanna know any tips that will help my progression in blackjack. Thanks

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LeftClawNorth · 5 years ago

If you want to have a positive expected result from your play you learn to count cards. Learning basic strategy is trivial in comparison. Card counting is not rocket science, but it's not simply memorizing a table. For most people basic strategy is the final stop on the blackjack journey.

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MinerDon · 5 years ago

>For most people basic strategy is the final stop on the blackjack journey.

99 out of 100 blackjack players don't even know basic strategy. The vast majority of people stop at "I never double against a ten" coupled with "don't split 9s; 18 is a winning hand" plus "don't hit twelve ever because you are taking the dealer's bust card."

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tcspears · 5 years ago

The first couple years I played blackjack I was self taught and I was always hyper focused on my cards, so I would just try to get as close to 21 as possible... And I did ok... But it was a game changer to learn about Basic Strategy, where you tend to think more about the big picture. I'll agree that most players out there aren't even at Basic Strategy yet, they are still winging it.

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SQLSQLAndMoreSQL · 5 years ago

They do but not completely. I still get comments once in a while because I hit A7 vs 10. "But... you have 18!!!"

Once I hit a 12 v 2 and got a 10, which would have busted the dealer. Some guy got mad at me and followed me in the casino to confront me and to tell me to learn to play.

This guy was intense and a pure gambler.

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blorentz38 · 5 years ago

IMO, card counting can only be applied when you know the amount of decks in a chute. When you’re at a table with continuous shuffle, you’re relying purely on basic strategy or “feeling.” So I would advise people to avoid continuous shuffle when going the card counting route. Unless they’re okay sticking to basic strategy and calling it a day, and not worry about what table they end up at. However, counting is a skill players should learn if they want to go beyond the scope of basic strategy.

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SQLSQLAndMoreSQL · 5 years ago

Then don't play CSM.

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Tsukiyomi454 · 5 years ago

Know your luck if your lucky or not or the dealer is good cheater or the player is like the dealer

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PhuncleSam · 5 years ago

You okay m8?

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Tsukiyomi454 · 5 years ago

Yes

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blackjack___21 · 5 years ago

Great to hear you're on a winning streak but basic strategy only minimizes the edge that the casino has on you as a player, it does not eliminate the edge completely.

To reverse the edge so you have the advantage you need to learn how to count cards. Some popular strategies include KO and Hi-Lo.

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SQLSQLAndMoreSQL · 5 years ago

Don't learn KO. It's terrible.

If you don't use Hi-Lo, try Zen, maybe. But you're going to complicate your life. Stick to Hi-Lo if you're learning to count. With a side count of aces.

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Basic Strategy vs. Card Counting

Posted by IonewoIfff · in r/blackjack · 2 months ago

Curious what everyone here actually uses when they play blackjack. Do you stick strictly to basic strategy, or have you tried (or still use) card counting?

Basic strategy is solid and easy to follow once you get it down, but card counting always seemed like that next-level move if you really want to tip the odds a bit.

I mainly play on Lottoland which is an online platform, so I’m not even sure if counting makes a difference there. Pretty sure the decks are reshuffled too often for it to work. Still, I try to play smart and stick to strategy as much as possible.

What do you guys think? Do you use other strategies?

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Fall_Ranqe · 2 months ago

Aside from deviations, basic strategy and card counting are like a married couple.. it’s not one or the other like you are suggesting.

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AllFuzzedOut · 2 months ago

I don’t count cards, but my understanding was that card counting is used to tell you when to bet a little and when to bet a lot, but as far as how you play you’re still playing basic strategy.

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bjbigplayer · 2 months ago

40 or 50 Index Numbers using Original Zen Count Per Deck, a professional player would not use Basic Strategy.

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goliath1515 · 2 months ago

Basic strategy. Although I’ll deviate and play more aggressive in certain circumstances

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Last_Personality_586 · 2 months ago

Basic strategy is the foundation of card counting. It doesnt matter what the count is if youre standing on a soft 13

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Is basic strategy a good winning tactic?

Posted by zeekchandoke · in r/blackjack · 4 years ago

I’ve been Practicing basic strategy for a week now and I want to try my hand at online gambling. Would basic strategy help me win? Also recommendation for online sites to play blackjack for money?

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morainemono · 4 years ago

NO. Basic strategy guarantees all "basic strategy players" lose in the long run. Only card counting, and only if you do it right, can guarantee winning in the long run.

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communist_dud · 4 years ago

Basic strategy is good, but it alone won't help you win, just loose less, to really win you need to start counting cards or some other form of ap

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WiCnSnAznPersuasion · 4 years ago

All I do is basic strategy since I like to socialize with the other players. It’s the players vs the dealer. We’re all in to bust the dealer. Counting takes time but not worth it because of so many distractions in a casino. Rather play have fun and on good night make some $$$

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Proud-File-7654 · 4 years ago

Lmao lose slower sounds right. I'd rather say it's best chance to win. Keyword: CHANCE. No guarantees!!! It's gambling! I do basic strategy 99% of the time haha.

Also if you value your time and money, don't play online!!! It's rigged. It's my belief the software games give the player better chance to win money than live dealer.

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cbracey4 · 4 years ago

Basic strategy means you will lose about .5 cents for every dollar you bet. It gives you the best possible odds without counting cards. You cannot beat the game and long term you will lose money.

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Theory behind basic strategy

Posted by fannytanner · in r/blackjack · 5 years ago

Is there any book or website that explains why basic strategy is the way it is? Everywhere I look doesnt really explain how basic strategy was created. I realize it involves a lot of math, but thats okay.

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sompel8 · 5 years ago

Beat the dealer by Edward Thorp is a good one that explains from the basic strategy up to the more sophisticated counting methods.

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BladeFancypants · 5 years ago

Blackjack basic strategy was developed in the first half of 1960s by Julian Braun, an IBM computer expert and innovator. His idea was based on the concept that due to the fact that Blackjack is a card game, its possibilities and odds can be calculated. Thus, if the pattern of the game is revealed, an appropriate strategy can be created accordingly which will enable players to predict the course of the game to some extent. Mr. Braun observed around nine billion different possible combinations of the players’ hands and the dealer’s up card. His discoveries changed how the game was perceived and played and were the base for many other strategies.

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fannytanner · OP · 5 years ago

Ive also read that in Blackjack as a Business by Lawrence Revere. Do you know if there is any way to see these calculations?

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BladeFancypants · 5 years ago

I do not know. It’s millions of simulated hands on a computer, and programming it to analyze which play is best for every possible hand versus every possible dealer’s hand.

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foobargoop · 5 years ago

Here’s two research papers explaining one way to recreate and validate basic strategy AND analyze a card counting method:

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/d9fc/b037f9ea68862f96124c78c702cb6afe6ea8.pdf

http://inside.mines.edu/~mwakin/papers/mcbj.pdf

warning: advanced math

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[deleted] · 5 years ago

It is very simple. They calculate the expected value (commonly referenced as just "EV") of every possible decision. The decision with the highest EV is the correct play.

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fannytanner · OP · 5 years ago

Right, but i guess what im asking is how u calculate the EV

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Boxen_of_Moxen · 5 years ago

You simulate a huge number of hands (billions) and record the results of each play. That way you have statistically significant results to determine, for example, that hitting 16v10 generates more EV than standing. i.e. the stand strategy won a smaller number of simulated hands than the hit strategy.

The original basic strategy was with early computers in the 50s so it was thousands of hands, but today we can confirm the results with incredible accuracy.

Repeat for every strategy and every combination. THEN repeat for every true count, and you get the basis of card counting.

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clever_username7 · 5 years ago

In its essence it’s a weighted average of likelihood to win versus lose a given play.

It’s a probabilistic model calculated over thousands of simulations to provide the “most likely” outcome of success.

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[deleted] · 5 years ago

Computer sims

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DJAsthma5000 · 5 years ago

this might help... https://youtu.be/jCF-Btu5ZCk

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the_last_queen · 5 years ago

As a follow-up question, does anyone know how they arrive at the rules before they had the computing power to crunch nine billion combinations?

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In Blackjack the Dealer typically busts every 3-5 hands!

Posted by Beyondwest · in r/onlinegambling · 4 months ago

Is this true? It says that on the back of one of my strategy cards. Just curious because this is one of the reasons I think I am doing so well with the game.

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Friggin_Bobandy · 4 months ago

No.

The average dealer bust rate across all upcards is approximately 42%, but this can vary based on the number of decks and whether the dealer hits or stands on soft 17.

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Is anyone profitable with just perfect basic strategy?

Posted by odd-llama · in r/blackjack · 2 years ago
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MrZenumiFangShort · 2 years ago

Yes, the variance at blackjack is humongous, more than you can comprehend. Look, people playing with an advantage of 1% need a bankroll of $10,000 to spread from $10-100 with a 1% ROR depending on rules. You managing to win $400 from just basic strategy is totally within the realm of possibility.

But if you keep playing, you will eventually lose.

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AstrxlBeast · 2 years ago

perfect basic strategy still leaves casino with around +0.5% edge

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ArQ7777 · 2 years ago

Casinos have +0.5% edge over players only if players flat betting. You can gain positive ev if you use correct bet spread (like always bet full or half Kelly criterion and play using BS. But you will only win 33% to 50% of EV that you use both bet spread and deviation plays.

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SameIron9383 · 3 months ago

This is a way to minimize losses, not a way to profit. I sometimes play on Mirax (QR code QRMIRAX works), just when I want to relax and practice my strategy.

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DrMcnasty4300 · 2 years ago

Sure, im profitable after 3 casino trips but that’s hardly enough of a sample size. You don’t even need perfect basic strategy to “make” money short term. But the math do be mathin and if you play long enough you will lose (and it probably won’t take all that long)

However that’s why gambling occasionally is still fun because on any given trip you have a reasonable chance of actually making some cash

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Mysticsuperdrizzle · 9 months ago

So the house edge with perfect basic strategy is .5% So you should be able to almost break even if you play enough.

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DrMcnasty4300 · 9 months ago

Yes, although the .5% is only with perfect play AND perfect table rules, which many casinos don’t offer anymore. You’re probably looking at a 2-4% house edge at most places. Blackjack payout, number of decks, double after splitting, hit/stand soft 17, etc etc all affect the house edge, and rarely do tables give you ALL the most favorable rules nowadays

Point is even .5% is still losing long term, and OP asked if you can be profitable with basic strategy, to which the answer is still no. If you wager $100k at a blackjack table over the course of you’re and play basic strategy only, you’re statistically going to lose $500 to $4000 assuming you don’t make a single mistake ever

Maybe not a whole lot of loss, but if you play long enough but you’re guaranteed to not be profitable

Which, in essence, is what I said originally

With that said blackjack is still the only casino game I play because in isolated instances of blackjack it feels like I have the best chance of making some money on a single day, but I acknowledge it all washes out long term

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Odd_Journalist3324 · 1 year ago

Counting does not help much, it just points to those moments when you should bet more or less. Knowing that there are a few extra high cards remaining helps, and does increase your edge, but those same high cards could just as easily be delt to the dealer and not to you / the players. The edge is still very very small. Your days can and will be awful despite having good counts to play with. You will still loose more hands then you win even with good counts. Even with counting you can still loose more often then you win, and with greater magnitude, for hundreds of hours sometimes. Loosing streaks can and do last a long time. Winning streaks can do the same. Also break even streaks. This is a montononous game!!

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K20017 · 2 years ago

The streaks you are describing is called variance and is quite high in this game. Akin to flipping a coin, if you get 10 heads in a row, that looks like a streak but you wouldn't be due for a tails, the odds still remain 50/50 on every flip. It's possible to get 10, 100, 1000 heads in a row but over time and through many simulations of heads or tails and blackjack (millions, billions, trillions), the odds still come out to the expected value. So if you bet $10 on every hand and play basic strategy (with a house edge of 0.5% let's say), you should expect to lose 0.5% of your bet every hand played. You might be up 650 or down 250 but this will average out over many hours and equal the expected value.

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Cubensis-n-sanpedro · 2 years ago

It is entirely possible to be profitable over the very short term. When it comes to the overwhelming majority of games out there the more hands you play the more you will lose.

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SaltyAngeleno · 2 years ago

Yes, I’ve been using perfect basic strategy for years. Many days I am extremely profitable. Unfortunately, unprofitable on more days.

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AcademicJackfruit477 · 1 year ago

Yes, playing perfect basic strategy in blackjack can lead to profitability over the long term. Individual results can vary significantly in the short term due to luck and variance. Even if you play perfect basic strategy, you may still experience winning and losing streaks. Basic strategy it's about over the long run and with enough hands played, following basic strategy can lead to profitability.
Do you not satisfied with results of your basic strategy? Perhps you should drop the number of bet or just try to play on free money firstly. When i was starting with BJ, i used free money firstly, and it provide me some income first. For example on Bitstarz and WILD io you can find no dep via registration to try, and also a lot of games that you can choose to spend time in.

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blackjack basic strategy

Key Considerations for Blackjack Basic Strategy:

  1. Understanding the Basics:

    • Blackjack is typically played with one or more decks of cards.
    • The goal is to beat the dealer by having a hand value closer to 21 without exceeding it.
  2. Know the Card Values:

    • Number cards (2-10) are worth their face value.
    • Face cards (Kings, Queens, Jacks) are worth 10.
    • Aces can be worth 1 or 11, depending on what benefits the hand more.
  3. Basic Strategy Chart:

    • Use a basic strategy chart that outlines the best action (hit, stand, double down, or split) based on your hand and the dealer's upcard.
    • For example:
      • If you have 8 or less, always hit.
      • If you have 12-16 and the dealer shows 2-6, stand (dealer is likely to bust).
      • If you have 17 or more, always stand.
  4. Doubling Down and Splitting:

    • Double down when you have a strong hand (like 11) against a dealer's weak card (2-6).
    • Split pairs (like Aces or 8s) to maximize your chances of winning.
  5. Dealer's Upcard:

    • Pay attention to the dealer's upcard; it significantly influences your strategy.
    • If the dealer shows a 7 or higher, play more conservatively.

Takeaways:

  • Familiarize yourself with a basic strategy chart and practice it to improve your chances of winning.
  • Remember that while basic strategy minimizes the house edge, it doesn't guarantee wins; it's about making the best statistical decisions.

Recommendation: Consider using a basic strategy chart while playing to help you make informed decisions. Many casinos allow players to keep a small card with the strategy chart for reference. This can significantly improve your game and reduce the house edge to around 0.5%.

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