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Could Jack Have Fit on the Door with Rose in Titanic?

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In Titanic, isn’t the point that the door wouldn’t hold the weight of both Jack and Rose, not that there wasn’t room?
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Can everyone stop saying Jack could have fit on the door in Titanic?
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In Titanic Rose wasn’t on the door, but on the door frame of Titanic. That’s why Jack couldn’t fit on it with her.
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Could Jack Have Fit on the Door with Rose in Titanic?

TL;DR The debate over whether Jack could have fit on the door with Rose in "Titanic" centers around buoyancy rather than space. While there was room, the door might not have stayed afloat with both of them due to weight issues. Mythbusters demonstrated it was possible with modifications, but James Cameron emphasized that Jack's death was crucial for the story.

Buoyancy vs. Space

The primary issue discussed is not whether there was enough physical space on the door for both Jack and Rose, but whether the door could remain buoyant with their combined weight. Many commenters argue that the door would have sunk if both tried to stay on it [1:1], [2:3], [3:1]. The focus is on the fact that while they could physically fit, the door would not have supported them both above water, leading to potential hypothermia.

Mythbusters Experiment

The popular TV show Mythbusters tested this theory and concluded that both Jack and Rose could have survived on the door if they had attached life jackets underneath to increase buoyancy [1:2], [3:6]. However, critics of this experiment point out that such a solution would be difficult to devise in the panic and freezing conditions following the Titanic's sinking [1:10], [2:8].

James Cameron's Perspective

Director James Cameron has addressed this debate multiple times, emphasizing that Jack's death was a narrative decision essential to the film's emotional impact [5:1], [5:7]. He mentioned that even if the door could technically hold both characters, the storyline required Jack's sacrifice for dramatic purposes. Cameron also noted that if he had known the debate would persist, he might have made the door smaller [3:9].

Practical Considerations

Several practical considerations are highlighted by commenters, including the extreme cold, exhaustion, and panic experienced by the characters, which would have made any complex solution unlikely [1:6], [5:11]. Additionally, the scene takes place at night in rough waters, further complicating any attempt to balance both individuals on the door [5:9].

Conclusion

While theoretically possible under controlled conditions, the real-life scenario depicted in "Titanic" suggests that Jack's survival alongside Rose on the door would have been improbable without significant adjustments. Ultimately, the decision for Jack to die served the film's narrative and emotional goals, as confirmed by its creators.

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POST SUMMARY • [1]

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In Titanic, isn’t the point that the door wouldn’t hold the weight of both Jack and Rose, not that there wasn’t room?

Posted by LancasterDodd777 · in r/movies · 6 years ago
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One of the most common film criticisms I hear is that at the end of Titanic there was room for both Jack and Rose on the door, meaning he didn’t need to die.

Maybe I’m wrong but I always thought the point was that if they were both on the door it would’ve sunk under their weight? Sorry if this is obvious or even wrong, but I’ve just never heard anyone make this counterpoint.

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EcthelionIV · 6 years ago

I believe Mythbusters went and proved that it could hold both if they attached some lifejackets to the door. But I doubt anyone would have thought of that in that situation. Also, James Cameron had come in during the episode and said the script says they die, so that's that I suppose.

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OneGoodRib · 6 years ago

Plus, people are drowning all over the place, so what they're going to waste some life jackets on two people on a door?

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Nrksbullet · 6 years ago

Not to mention Jack was thinking of saving Kate's life, not proving some internet nerds wrong.

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[deleted] · 6 years ago

> said the script says they die

What! And the whole movie is a time paradox where the old lady lives? Maybe the old lady is the rich lady's handmaid and just stole her life after the Titanic.

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A_Sarcastic_Werecat · 6 years ago

Honestly, that would have been a great twist ...

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tulpamom · 6 years ago

Yes. He tries to get up with her and they over balance and he realizes that they won't both be able to "fit". Its a weight allowance thing not a space thing.

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[deleted] · 6 years ago

Not true. But even if it were true, they could’ve taken turns on the door. Or found other floating debris.

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Slo-MoDove · 6 years ago

Their legs would have been frozen stiff by the 2nd rotation and now nobody has the energy to get back up on the door.

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terayonjf · 6 years ago

It's been proven it could work. Even James Cameron himself had to relent to it but countered with his version made for a better story.

Edit: years later he back tracked his comment but they proved it was possible and he's just tired of people telling him about it

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Alesti · 6 years ago

In the test, it worked only when they positioned themselves perfectly and attach their vest together. And they had to try at it multiple times.

Cameron countered it would be a lot to ask of a 19 year old boy processing a real-time event to come up with this solution

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not_vichyssoise · 6 years ago

Also, they're both freezing and exhausted at this point in the movie. Just because it's possible for him to also get onto the door doesn't mean he's able to in that particular instance under those conditions.

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Anna_Kendricks_Pubes · 6 years ago

DiCaprio was asked about this again during a press interview for Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I'm surprised he hasn't snapped and started killing every interviewer that still brings it up.

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Can everyone stop saying Jack could have fit on the door in Titanic?

Posted by friendofsmellytapir · in r/movies · 6 years ago

I see this fucking everywhere, that Jack could have fit on the door, but that isn't even the fundamental problem with why he couldn't get on the door. It doesn't matter if there was physically enough space on the door for Jack, it was a problem of buoyancy, two people on the door is just too heavy to keep the door above the water.

Jack tries to get on the door in the film, realizes the door isn't stable with him on it, and stops trying because of the buoyancy problem, not because he didn't fucking fit. So shut your shit holes up about how Jack could have lived. Sure he could have fit on the door, but he would have killed Rose doing it because they both would have been in the freezing water because the door wouldn't float under the weight of two people.

If you want to point out something wrong with this scene then point out the fucking math of that door floating with even just Rose on it. A luxury cruise liner like that is probably using hardwood for it's doors, which is more dense than pine or some shit wood some of you would probably test this with, so it's even less likely that door would stay on the top of the water under the weight of even one person. So shut the fuck up about how Jack could have lived, he fucking saved Rose's life by not being selfish thinking he could save both of them.

Sorry, just needed to rant about that for a second.

Edit: Thank you for your responses, I can see I am in the minority with this. I'm going to have to do some serious soul searching (and watch the mythbusters episode), but I think in the end I will be able to put this behind me.

Edit 2: According to this article the director of the movie agrees with me. According to this physics blogger it depends entirely on the type of wood.

Edit 3: I just want to make it clear I'm not mad or anything about this, I was bored at work looking at random memes, saw one about how Jack could have fit on the door, and decided to make this post. I thought it would be funnier if I made it come off as an angry rant, but this has never kept me up at night, I just think about it each time I see a meme about it, like it did today.

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Dorkamundo · 6 years ago

Jack could have fit on the door in Titanic.

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indoninja · 6 years ago

Interesting perspective.

I’d counter with, Jack could have fit on the door in Titanic.

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[deleted] · 6 years ago

I'll do you one better.

Jack could've fit that door on the Titanic.

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StoJa9 · 6 years ago

> Sure he could have fit on the door, but he would have killed Rose doing it because they both would have been in the freezing water because the door wouldn't float under the weight of two people.

Mythbusters disagrees with you. This isn't just people saying shit for the sake of saying it. Science has actually proven Jack and Rose would have both been just fine on the door.

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friendofsmellytapir · OP · 6 years ago

Some more science if you are curious:

http://physicsbuzz.physicscentral.com/2012/09/sorry-girls-titanic-doors-were-made-of.html?m=1

https://www.scienceabc.com/humans/movies/jack-also-fit-floating-raft-alongwith-rose-saved-titanic-disaster.html

http://colgatephys111.blogspot.com/2012/11/could-jack-have-lived.html?m=1

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phenix714 · 6 years ago

Is it proven by what happens in the movie though? That's the only thing that really matters. They tried to both fit and it didn't work out, so it's hard to argue against that.

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[deleted] · 6 years ago

You're a moron. These two guys had hours to flounder around and figure out a way to make the door float. You think people have that luxury when they've got less than 5 minutes to live before freezing to death?

Amazing so many mouth breathers look at Mythbusters and think that correlates as an accurate comparison.

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friendofsmellytapir · OP · 6 years ago

I might make one just to test this out, I'll bring the fucking set piece to the exact location of the Titanic sinking and lay on it myself

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ThorinAndur · 6 years ago

Damn. Most people would do something very stupid if the had a time portal, but going back in time to check out the Titanic disaster and float over to Rose like "Hey waddup? Let Jack on the door too, I wanna see if it sinks!" is fucking hillarious!

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mrelectric322 · 6 years ago

If Jack don't fit, you must acquit.

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316Pointlessposts · 6 years ago

You should rewatch that episode. It only works with the life vest attached to the bottom of the door. There is no way they could have figured that out while freezing to death.

You're an idiot

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316Pointlessposts · 6 years ago

You should rewatch that episode. It only works with the life vest attached to the bottom of the door. There is no way they could have figured that out while freezing to death.

You're an idiot

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In Titanic Rose wasn’t on the door, but on the door frame of Titanic. That’s why Jack couldn’t fit on it with her.

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Liam_ice92 · 6 years ago

Ffs, Jim Cameron even went on Mythbusters about this. It’s not an issue of size, it’s an issue of buoyancy. Yes they could both fit, but it wouldn’t have floated with both on it

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Krhl12 · 6 years ago

Yes but on the mythbusters episode you reference... It was bouyant enough for both but unstable, and stabilised when using the life jacket Rose was wearing.

So uh, they proved it could take them both.

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JoCoMoBo · 6 years ago

Maybe give the life jacket to Jack...? She has the door and the life-jacket. At least give him a chance...

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__Hello_my_name_is__ · 6 years ago

At the same time, OP's "it's not a door, but a door frame, and that's why he couldn't fit" makes no sense, either. Just because it's not a door doesn't mean it's suddenly smaller or less buoyant.

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melbbear · 6 years ago

It’s an issue of the script saying jack dies and he wished he made the prop smaller

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Olde94 · 6 years ago

I lpve how he also said “jack was supposed to die. If he COULD have been on it i would have made it smaller!”

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KramSacul · 6 years ago

The issue wasn’t them fitting on it. It was the weight. It wouldn’t have floated with both of them on it.

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BallClamps · 6 years ago

They just had to redistribute their weight. They both tired to get on sideways first which flipped it. If they both got on long ways and huddle real close for warmth. It might have worked, it might have started to sink and then Jack could have decided to stay in the water, but at least they could have tired.

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Hubso · 6 years ago

>The issue wasn’t them fitting on it. It was the weight. It wouldn’t have floated with both of them on it.

The issue was plot. The plot wanted him dead, so he died. It doesn't matter how big the piece of wood was.

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scrotes_magotes · 6 years ago

This stupid debate is why they should’ve went with the alternate ending James Cameron originally shot where Jack and Rose speed off on jet skis just as the Titanic explodes with Billy Zane on board. Fade out as Jack and Rose take off into the night. Post credit shot of Billy Zane’s charred face rising out of the water among the flaming wreckage. Suddenly his eyes pop open. TO BE CONTINUED.

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sparrowxc · 6 years ago

> This stupid debate is why they should’ve went with the alternate ending James Cameron Michael Bay originally shot where Jack and Rose speed off on jet skis just as the Titanic explodes with Billy Zane on board. Fade out as Jack and Rose take off into the night. Post credit shot of Billy Zane’s charred face rising out of the water among the flaming wreckage. Suddenly his eyes pop open. TO BE CONTINUED.

Fixed that for you.

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EnterPlayerTwo · 6 years ago

Maybe the door would have been more buoyant because of how doors are made?

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James Cameron tested the fan theory that both Rose and Jack could've fit on the door in Titanic!

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CGKilates · 26 days ago

Heard yall talking 👏🏾🤣🤔

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Forward_Comedian2178 · 25 days ago

A might is slight but it would have been worth the chance!

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James Cameron tested the fan theory that both Rose and Jack could've fit on the door in Titanic!

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Amakall · 29 days ago

Jack saved her life. He got her on a lifeboat. She jumped from the lifeboat and insisted he find another way to save her “You’re so stupid Rose”. He could have used the door if she was on the lifeboat. Rose killed Jack, there’s no way around that. Edit: fixed your to you’re

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deputytech · 29 days ago

She also threw a priceless diamond in the ocean, at least hold onto it and give it to your kids to set them up for life

Rose was… not that smart.

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AaronPossum · 29 days ago

It was fake anyway, the diamond was his target from the beginning. Jack, was a con artist and jewel thief, he knew about the diamond and was planning to steal it anyway. The sinking ship was a convenient opportunity to do so, replacing it with a fake. He swam away from the door and got into another life boat, showing up years later in New York, a heartbroken billionaire with a vague and mysterious "military" background. He shortened his name to Jay, and threw lavish parties, always hoping Rose would come back to him. She doesn't, but "Daisy" does.

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clisto3 · 29 days ago

Yea.. but there’s no knowing Jack would have found that door after the ship went down.

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Knight_thrasher · 29 days ago

And as he said during taping, it really doesn’t matter if he could fit in the door, in the story Jack had to die

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Nuffsaid98 · 29 days ago

It isn't only about having the room to fit. If the material wasn't buoyant enough to continue floating with the additional weight of Jack then it doesn't matter if the square footage could accommodate them both.

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stackens · 29 days ago

Yeah people treat this like Jack only died because they could only provide a door for them to float on and they mistakenly thought two people couldn’t fit on it. No…Jack died because that’s the story they were telling. If during production they figured out two people could fit on the door, they would’ve just made the door smaller or something. He was dying no matter what

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TK421philly · 29 days ago

Nah, Jack just found out that Rose was older than 25 and peaced out.

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Happy_Leadership_599 · 29 days ago

Not just that. They can fit of the door together but in stead of Rose being mostly dry BOTH their lower bodies are now in the water - which might they eventually both die.

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Sidereel · 29 days ago

They also did it on sunny day in calm waters. The point of the door was to keep Rose out of the freezing water. If the door sinks a few inches with both of them on it then they likely both die.

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OkCriticism9023 · 29 days ago

If everyone watched the episode they would know he wrote for jack to die but not everyone can accept it. unless there a press event where Leonardo DiCaprio says he was supposed to die at the end of the movie then maybe it be settle till then this is whole two people could fit on a door vs only one person could fit conversation that never dies

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MathematicianSafe311 · 29 days ago

And I really hated it. They did not take into account that it was nighttime, pretty much pitch dark, and panic from having the "indestructible ship" sink

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James Cameron tested the fan theory that both Rose and Jack could've fit on the door in Titanic!

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SadLilBun · 29 days ago

Actually, most average viewers who don’t have more than a passing interest in Titanic that is totally rooted in the film, think it’s a door.

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ArtemisElizabeth1533 · 29 days ago

If you watch the whole thing on the 25th anniversary special on Nat Geo that this was made for, basically the TLDR version is that just Rose alone on the piece of wood was the best case scenario for her body temperature because she was basically fully above the water and exposed to air temp not water temp. Any scenario involving two bodies on the wood in different ways caused both bodies to be below the water line in some way, which essentially kept them too cold. 

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watson0707 · 29 days ago

Yeah I’ve seen this post on two different subreddits but it seems no one has actually seen the whole thing. It took them multiple tries to get the two balanced on the panel in such a way to conserve enough body heat to last until rescue. It’s been a minute since I watched but I’m fairly certain they also had to make other changes, like wardrobe, for Jack to make it. Them both fitting on the panel is only a small portion of them both actually surviving the night.

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siphillis · 29 days ago

Jack also likely gives up on the first try because he believes he can hold out long enough for the lifeboats. He only realizes he's done for a few minutes later, when it's obvious none of them are heading back

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Ry3GuyCUSE · 29 days ago

Completely aside from the fact that it’s a plot device so it’s completely irrelevant, it was never about if they could fit. It’s about LIMITED BUOYANCY. You can fit a small car on a piece of plywood but that doesn’t mean it will float.

Way too many of your brains run on Minecraft physics. Let this whole stupid magically limitless ability floating “door” thing go.

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Aggravating_Mix8959 · 27 days ago

Yes, I'm impressed he took the time to do this. But then, we do know he is obsessed with the Titanic, so it tracks. 

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cfcblue26 · 29 days ago

You can clearly see in the movie that Jack tried to get on the wood panel with Rose and it started to sink. People just don't pay attention.

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PumpkinSeed776 · 29 days ago

I think most people bitching about the "door" have not seen the film in a very long time, if ever, and just want to join the easy circlejerk. Like he tries to get on there for a full-ass 5 seconds or so and they keep falling off.

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Wichiteglega · 29 days ago

Most people who bitch about the 'door' never watched the movie at all. A lot of the hatred and criticism of this movie comes from the fact that it was popular a lot with teenage girls when it came out, which lead to a heavy sexist backlash against the movie in the 2000s.

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kgrimmburn · 29 days ago

It's not a frame around a door. It's a wall panel from the First Class Lounge. And it's incredibly important that it was outside the ship because the only way it would have been outside of the ship is if the ship broke in half like some witnesses claimed.

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916nes · 28 days ago

That’s fair, but there was enough room on the door for both of them to sit comfortably

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Automatic_Memory212 · 26 days ago

This.

This is the part that all the online smart-alecs refuse to acknowledge.

The water is freezing, you need to keep your body out of the water as much as possible in order to not die from hypothermia.

Even if they had both managed to find a comfortable position on the raft, it would sink below the water’s surface under their combined weight and they’d both stay in the water, bobbing just a few inches under the surface on top of the bobbing raft.

So they wouldn’t drown, but they’d both die of hypothermia very quickly.

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There is no way that Jack could have laid on the door with Rose in Titanic

Posted by repeatedly_confused · in r/Vent · 6 years ago

I am sick to death of so many people constantly blaming Rose and calling her selfish for getting on the door and not letting Jack on too. There is no way in hell that Jack could have also got on top of the door with Rose because in this case you cannot focus on the size of the door - which is obviously large enough to fit both people on - but it's buoyancy.

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In the movie when they encounter the door, Jack makes sure that Rose is on and then begins to climb on himself because there is clearly enough room for him. HOWEVER, as he gets out of the water and has some of his weight on the door, it starts to tip and they both end up sliding off the door and into the water. This is where Jack makes the decision to let Rose get on and stays in the water BECAUSE THE DOOR SINKS WHEN BOTH OF THEM ARE ON IT.

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Jack could not have gotten on that door with Rose and made sure that both of them stayed out of the water. There was no alternative with only one door available to them.

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idfcatalltbfh · 6 years ago

Also, it was not a door

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VelytDThoorgaan · 6 years ago

but like that's just physics, why didn't she then get on the other side of it while jack climbed on and then both stayed in the middle or opposite sides of the "door"

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I’m getting Titanic vibes here. There was definitely room for Jack on the door.

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BRAIN_SPOTS · 2 months ago

There was definitely room for Jack on the door but if Jack would have gotten up on that door it would have flopped have you ever tried to get on a raft in the middle of a pool imagine trying to use a door

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SyrioForel · 2 months ago

The scene in the movie explicitly shows that it can’t support his weight when he literally tries to climb on top of it, and it begins to topple to throw them both off. The movie explicitly shows this.

The point wasn’t that he couldn’t “fit”, it’s that the water was freezing and him staying off the door was the only way to ensure that Rose wouldn’t get thrown off into the water.

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Able_Worker_904 · 2 months ago

I don’t know about you, but I’m going to send a strongly worded letter to White Star Lines about all this.

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red286 · 2 months ago

I'm sure Carnival Cruises would love to hear from you about this (White Star was bought by Cunard, Cunard was bought by Carnival).

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Able_Worker_904 · 2 months ago

No Jack said that

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BritOnTheRocks · 2 months ago

Cute, but hey - we have this rug!

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DirtRight9309 · 2 months ago

that’s so funny i had a foam sleeping mat just like that and my cat was obsessed with it. she also liked to claw/chew it though unfortunately

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Jack & Rose Could HAVE SURVIVED The Titanic

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Malibucat48 · 1 year ago

Didn’t anybody actually watch the damn movie? Rose gets on the door and Jack starts to climb on after her. The door tips over and he stops and stays in the water. There was room for both of them, but it wasn’t balanced for both of them. He couldn’t get on without Rose sliding off first. It’s been 25 years, folks, let’s move on.

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0000sarah0000 · 1 year ago

Oh my god, not this again. Jack had to die no matter what, that’s the whole point of the story. Jack and Rose represent all the real couples who were separated that night— considering the survival rate for third class men was low. It’s a waste of time to obsess over what did or didn’t happen to these 2 fictional characters. I swear, it seems like most people who watch this movie lack media comprehension or they know nothing about the real tragedy.

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nergens · 1 year ago

Maybe James Cameron makes tge 4K Version only to secretly edit the doorpanel smaller.

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Additional-Storm-943 · 1 year ago

Exactly

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Additional-Storm-943 · 1 year ago

Anyone could have survived it but in the end some actually did others didn’t

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Goldeneye07 · 1 year ago

The Sam brain dead BS again, the script for the MOVIE had jack dying,

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connortait · 1 year ago

Yeah. If Rose stayed in the boat Jack would have fit on the door.

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Titanic: Could Jack and Rose Survived the Wreckage?

Posted by The-Page-Turner · in r/FilmTheorists · 5 years ago

Here's a film theory idea: Titanic, could Jack and Rose both have been saved from the ocean?

Hear me out. The physical amount of space is big enough for both Jack and Rose, the surface area has been shown to do so already. What people forget to account for is the buoyancy force of the water.

For those unfamiliar with the term, the buoyant force is the force from a fluid exerted on an object within that fluid. If the buoyant force is equal to or greater than the weight force of the object, it floats. If the weight force of the object is greater than the buoyant force, the object sinks.

Now the buoyancy of an object is subjective to a few things, namely the volume of the object submerged in the water, and the viscosity of the water.

That last one is probably the most important here because the Atlantic Ocean is salt water. Because of the salt, the viscosity, the resistance of flow, of the water actually going to be higher, since the buoyant force has to move the water AND the salt. The higher the concentration of salt, the more force is needed to move all the molecules away.

So that then begs the question: could the concentration of salt have been high enough at the time of the Titanic's sinking been high enough to produce a buoyant force strong enough to support the weight of two full grown humans plus the wood they're floating on in order to keep both of the humans mostly dry to survive? Let's find out!

In order to calculate the buoyant force we will first need the equation to find the buoyant force. That equation is:

Fb​=ρgV

Where Fb is the buoyant force, ρ (pronounced rho) is the density of the liquid, V is the volume of liquid being displaced, and g is the acceleration due to gravity (of 9.81 m/s^2).

First let me say that I am by no means a professional, and the numbers I'll be using are going to be rough approximations at best. I'll also list my sources at the end.

So the first thing we should find is the weight force of Rose, Jack, and the driftwood, as that's the force that the buoyancy would have to be equal too or greater than in order for them both to live. Kate Winslet's weight is strangely well documented for this movie, being at about 185 lbs (83.9 kg) according to Rolling Stone. Leonardo DiCaprio's weight isn't as well documented, but he was reported to be really skinny at the time. Knowing his height of 6' tall, we can approximate his BMI to get a weight for him being on the high end of 120-130 lbs. I'll use 125 lb (56.7 kg)since that's right in the middle.

The weight of the driftwood is more challenging to come by, since we don't know the type of wood that it's made of. Luckily there were 3 very prominent types of woods used on the Titanic: teak, oak, and pine. We can use the dimensions for the driftwood (see below), we can get an approximate weight of teak being 360 lb (167.6 kg), oak at 360 lb (167.6 kg), and finally pine at 256 lb (115.5 kg). So that means that the weight force for the trio would be:

Pine: 2,512.3 N

Oak and Teak: 3,023.4 N

Now anyone who knows physics will tell you that the volume of a displaced liquid is equal to the volume of the submerged object. So we will need to know how much of the driftwood that Rose is laying on is submerged in the water. So for that we will need measurements.

Thankfully we know Kate Winslet's height to be 5'6" tall. Using the scene where Rose is rescued, we can estimate the driftwood to be roughly 6' (1.83m) long and roughly about 4' (1.22 m) wide. Now in the scene where Jack tries to get on the driftwood with rose, we see that it's roughly 4" (0.102 m) thick. This gives the total approximate volume of the driftwood to be 0.23 m^3 (8.12 ft^3).

Now we just need to know how much of the driftwood is submerged in the water. In the same scene where Rose first gets on the driftwood we see about half of the total volume of the driftwood submerged, making the total volume of displaced water about 0.115 m^3 (4.06 ft^3).

Now all we need is the density of the Atlantic Ocean. Thankfully that information is relatively easy to come by at about 1027 kg/m^3.

So with all our variables in place, we get:

Fb = (1027 kg/m^3)(9.81m/s^2)(0.115m^3)

Fb = 1,158.6 N

Meaning that if Jack was on the driftwood with Rose, they BOTH would have died. MatPat, if you see this, I'd LOVE for this to become a Film Theory. Please make it happen!

https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-news/the-unsinkable-kate-winslet-108777/

https://www.physicscentral.com/buzz/blog/index.cfm?postid=1270760602740377784#:~:text=There%20were%20three%20types%20of,pine%20tops%20out%20at%20617N.

https://www.inchcalculator.com/lumber-weight-calculator/

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/whysalty.html#:~:text=The%20average%20salinity%20is%20about,comes%20from%20the%20dissolved%20salts.

https://www.nexsens.com/knowledge-base/technical-notes/faq/how-do-you-convert-from-molarity-m-to-parts-per-million-ppm-and-mgl.htm

https://www.windows2universe.org/earth/Water/density.html#:~:text=If%20you%20wanted%20to%20measure,be%20able%20to%20find%20density.

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Melstar1416 · 5 years ago

James Cameron himself has commented on them laying on the door;

“The answer is very simple,” Cameron told Vanity Fair. “Because on page 147 (of the script) that Jack dies. Very simple.”

On a serious note, I love how in-depth your question is and how you’ve backed it up. Well done

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Kammander-Kim · 5 years ago

He was in an episode of Mythbusters and said something the like of "well, if I had known about it then I would have made the plank smaller.

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[deleted] · 5 years ago

I love all the work you're putting in but the Mythbusters proved they both could have lived.

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The-Page-Turner · OP · 5 years ago

If you look at the footage of that episode, the driftwood itself is below the surface of the water. This means that the heat from their bodies is going to be removed faster than if they were in open air due to specific heat capacity.

The specific heat capacity of air at 0°C is 1.0035 J/(g*K). The specific heat of ice at 0°C is 2.093 J/(g*K) meaning that solid water takes twice as much heat to move the temperature of it by 1°C

MEANING that Rose's body temperature would have dropped twice as fast MINIMUM in the water, and therefore both her and Jack would have died

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The-Page-Turner · OP · 5 years ago

Also, Adam and Jaime take Jaime's life jacket and strap it to the bottom of the board, giving extra buoyancy. But even then the board itself is completely submerged, and the water in contact with the riders.

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x_losers_r_us_x · 5 years ago

They probably still could’ve both survived though, they could’ve just taken turns or found a bigger thing floating around.

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Alex_of_Bree · 5 years ago

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person who was going to say this but I'm also pretty sure that it should be obvious that they both could have survived at the end of the movie. Lots of people have done series and just straight-up math to prove how they both could have easily fit and the door sing would have been more than enough to hold both of them if it was enough to hold her. Not saying this is a bad idea but honestly probably not worth a full Theory if he hasn't already done one on this...

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The-Page-Turner · OP · 5 years ago

Yes, they can fit in the area of the driftwood, but, as proven by my math above, there is not enough buoyancy in the water itself to hold both of their weights and the weight of the driftwood itself. Area is not even half the story

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Could Jack have fit on the door with Rose in Titanic

Key Considerations:

  1. Size of the Door: The door in question is often debated among fans. It appears to be large enough to support both Jack and Rose, but the film's portrayal suggests it was not buoyant enough for both.

  2. Buoyancy and Hypothermia: In real-life scenarios, hypothermia can set in quickly in freezing water. Jack's decision to stay in the water may have been influenced by the need to keep Rose safe and to avoid capsizing the door.

  3. Cinematic Choices: The filmmakers may have chosen to depict Jack's sacrifice for dramatic effect, emphasizing themes of love and loss rather than focusing on the practicality of survival.

  4. Scientific Analysis: Some analyses suggest that both could have fit on the door if they had positioned themselves correctly, but this remains speculative.

Takeaway: While many fans argue that Jack could have fit on the door, the film's narrative and emotional impact are likely more important than the practicalities of survival. Ultimately, it's a poignant moment that serves the story rather than a definitive survival analysis.

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