Inception and Purpose
The NHL Winter Classic was introduced as a unique outdoor game to capture the nostalgia of pond hockey, aiming to be the signature event of the NHL season. It was designed to draw significant attention and viewership by being held on New Year's Day, featuring prominent teams in iconic venues [1:1]. The first Winter Classic took place in 2008 at Ralph Wilson Stadium in Orchard Park, New York, with the Pittsburgh Penguins facing off against the Buffalo Sabres.
Popularity and Challenges
Initially, the Winter Classic was a major draw for fans, offering a novel experience of watching hockey outdoors. However, over time, the allure has waned due to several factors. The introduction of additional outdoor games like the Stadium Series has led to an oversaturation, diminishing the uniqueness of the Winter Classic [1:1]. Furthermore, repeated appearances by the same teams, such as Boston, Chicago, and Pittsburgh, have contributed to viewer fatigue
[1:6].
Venue and Team Selection
The choice of venues and teams has been a point of contention. While traditional markets have frequently hosted the Winter Classic, there is a call from fans to expand into non-traditional markets or feature different teams to maintain interest [1:5],
[1:8]. For instance, Fenway Park in Boston has hosted multiple times, which some argue reduces excitement
[1:4].
Recent Developments and Future Prospects
The NHL has attempted to keep the Winter Classic fresh by considering unique locations and matchups. Speculation about future events includes hosting in unconventional places like Florida or even the National Mall [4:3],
[4:7]. Despite these efforts, maintaining the balance between tradition and innovation remains a challenge for the league.
Fan Perception and Criticism
Fans have expressed mixed feelings about the current state of the Winter Classic. Some appreciate the spectacle and the opportunity to see their favorite teams in a unique setting, while others feel that the event no longer holds the same magic it once did [2:4],
[2:5]. There is a sentiment that the NHL's marketing strategies need to evolve to rekindle interest and excitement around the Winter Classic
[2:2].
Overall, the NHL Winter Classic remains a beloved tradition for many, but its future success will depend on the league's ability to innovate and respond to fan feedback.
Is it just me or has there been no hype around the winter classic this year? Usually they’d advertise the road to the winter classic series, and hype it up. I feel like no one cares about it this year
I’ve personally stopped caring about the winter classic back in like 2014. Doesn’t hit the same as it used to man.
Hard to hype this when Boston is hosting their third Winter Classic overall right?
Boston and Penguins seem to be in every outdoor game. Even their own fans must be getting tired of it.
Yeah, and the weather to top it off will make it awful. Most of us are over it. There’s plenty of other teams that could host. NYI, NJD, MIN, DET, COL, Seattle etc if they refuse to go to CAN or the south. They keep using BOS/CHI/PIT etc
no.
It’s at Fenway too…there should definitely be more hype
But it isn’t the first time the WC has been held at Fenway.
Fenway has had it before and it’s not exactly a great stadium once you unmaaa so I the historics. I used to turn down tickets often
It’s a 100 year old stadium with a lot of cache, but I understand what you mean. Probably would be a cooler event if it was not every year or something.
I feel like part of the problem is the NHL has gotten away from expanding the game into non-traditional markets (where "traditional" is defined as an upper US east coast team) and slid back into the same ol'-same ol'. Who wants to watch an oversaturation of Crosby (if you aren't a Pittsburgh fan)? Very few, I would argue. Very few.
Probably because some of those “non traditional” sites for the WC turned into logistics nightmares for not that much of a difference in ratings.
Heck, I’d lay folding money the WC in the USA would get the exact same ratings if it was held in a Canadian market on NYD because try as they might, the NHL has had very limited success in expanding the “traditional” NHL viewing market 🤷♂️
I think the oversaturation of the stadium series games kinda damaged the shine of the winter classic. I think they're really cool, but when there's only 1 game per year and it's THE signature game of the NHL season. It should mean a ton to be in it.
So a combination of too many outdoor games and reuse of teams is the problem IMO.
But for some reason, the Hawks will have it again in two years vs a team that will inevitably pummel them on national television because the NHL’s marketing team is garbage.
Kraken fans widely regard our WC as the best game yet! I and others I’ve talked to loved every part of it from the game to the salmon tossing and those jerseys chefs kiss
You mean people don't want to sit a mile away from a hockey game and pretend it's fun anymore?
Maybe if they stopped featuring the fucking Blackhawks every other year they’d draw more interest.
Bettman special !
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Man I miss the Vegas frozen fury’s. Remember when Simmonds got ejected for fighting with tape on his nucks.
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I never attended until many years after this video, but Frozen Fury was so much fun in Vegas. RIP.
On the TNT pregame when asked, Bettman said that they’ll announce it next week but “it’s a little more unique, people are gonna think we’ve lost our minds”.
Florida? The national mall? Alaska? Or just Pittsburgh vs Boston again
My guess is Florida. Down here we’ve seen lots of articles saying the Panthers are hosting at LoanDepot park (Miami Marlins home) next year.
I’ve heard similar rumors about it being Florida here in the other side of the state. Now if they can make it against the Lightning…
I'm sure ice quality will be great!!
They figured it out in California twice for 2 stadium series games. You know when you watch a game at an arena the air isn't below freezing right?
The stadium has a retractable roof. My guess it they will keep it closed right until game time and potentially close it between periods.
My mother in law says it's Florida but said Ft Lauderdale. She does swag, so may have insider info or something. Hard Rock in Hollywood maybe?
Something like Central Park or the National Mall would be SUPER interesting
Building Madison Square Garden then holding a game in a creek 8 blocks away instead.
Ahh yes another game with boring teams
How big is the rink at Rockefeller Center?
Sell a bunch of businesses seats and they won’t have to worry about actual attendance and they’ll still get their money.
You’re all wrong. It’s actually going to be at the ODR by my parents place in Medicine Hat that Jim down the way has flooded every winter for the last 36 years.
Gary told me himself.
Is the Heritage Classic game strictly played between Canadian teams? If not then I could see the NHL having an interest in doing an outdoor game between the Kraken and Canucks in Vancouver. If it’s just Canadian teams though then give me Oilers/Flames, and bonus points if they do it in a neutral location in Alberta. Maybe Red Deer?
I want a Winter Classic between Seattle-Vancouver at Lumen Field so bad.
Oilers/Flames would be sooooo sick
But yeah, heritage classic is only Canadian teams. Stadium series is usually only american teams with the exception of the leafs.
But the leafs are the only Canadian team to never have a heritage classic game as well as being the only Canadian team to have a stadium series game lol. Toronto is basically in the US.
Red deer doesn’t have a facility for an NHL sized crowd
Habs have been in two Heritage classics in Alberta, one Winter classic in Boston and the Centenial Classic in Ottawa.
It would be cool if they hosted one.
>A source said the Carolina Hurricanes, whose 2021 Stadium Series game in Raleigh, N.C., was postponed in December, deferred their outdoor game to the 2022-23 season
Just keep saving!! It'll happen eventually :)
(WAS - NHL) Late fall weather stays warm in the mid-Atlantic and Southeastern US. Unless it is Christmas week, December might be too early for an outdoor game in Raleigh.
Even better stat is that from 2004-2020, the Capitals won more games at Heinz Field than the Cleveland Browns
>Big shame that they got skipped out like that. Perhaps they weren’t able to secure the NC State stadium again?
It's only used for about 7 games a year, plus a handful of football practices. The only way that would be the issue is if the NHL wanted the game to be played in early fall, but logistically I don't know how they would make the potential of 95°F or more work.
This would have been a good season to do the Parliament Hill game since they couldn’t have spectators.
Hear me out.
We beat Tampa and as a result win a cup and get custody of the Rays.
We build a beautiful 35-40K baseball stadium right on the St Lawrence in less than 6 months.
Host the heritage, commemorating our Stanley Cup victory and furthering of our already great legacy.
it was 3-1
>https://theathletic.com/news/blues-wild-winter-classic-in-minneapolis-set-for-jan-1-all-star-game-to-vegas/2AQ1F5xYJg5z
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>A source said the Carolina Hurricanes, whose 2021 Stadium Series game in Raleigh, N.C., was postponed in December, deferred their outdoor game to the 2022-23 season.
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The Canes deferred to next year, from the sounds of it, voluntarily.
Alternate universe headline:
Winter Classic hits new low against College Football Playoffs
Once you understand that hockey on American television will not be allowed to win, you'll live much easier.
The only sport that is going to surpass CFB in ratings is the NFL.
Was stupid to play it on NYE and not 1/1, I didn’t even realize the game was happening then until after the fact
How Gary Bettman’s brain works:
Step 1: It doesn’t.
Rather than doing the same teams over and over again, what about making it a rematch of the previous season’s SCF?
This is 'classic' NHL. They actually made something that was some sort of a tradition for people and then go and change it without thinking of their fans.
I put on the Flyers game at night (EST) and found out I missed it. I then had to call my friend to tell him because he always comes over on New Years day and watches the WC to tell him it already happened. He too had no idea.
WC 2025, Dallas gets its 2nd appearance and they play Minnesota.
Ultimate grudge match.
Plus we both get cool new sweaters out of the deal.
Bettman: "you'll get another Chicago appearance, and you'll like it!"
Come on Wild fans, you'd love a rematch and we need the free wins
I would really love a stars vs wild @ target field or a stars vs avs @ coors. I think if Dallas host another one it should be at old rangers ball park.
I want the Panthers to feel pain. So Florida at Winnipeg in late January early February for a Stadium Series game. It's sure to be -40
Dunno if the Jets would love that either though
You all think it’s a big joke? Blackhawks losing in every winter classic they’ve appeared in. Well let me tell you, I have grown to love the pain. I harness it. I turn on the tv to watch my favorite team “play,” and I bathe in their suck. It flows through me: Our top line makes the worst play you’ve ever seen, all while broadcast Nationally - my heartbeat quickens, my pupils dilate. Yes Jones, bearer of dreams, turn over the puck for the 10th time this period while getting paid the same amount as Kucherov, Brayden Point, Mark Stone and Vasilevskiy; I’m erect. Another winter classic? Tickets are in the thousands? I go to see it in person, cold, wet, feverish from the chanting Blues fans counting off their sixth goal. My doctors tell me I should stop, maybe find another team that isn’t so heartbreakingly terrible, maybe root for someone safe like The Rangers or Ottawa, real contenders. But I can’t escape it. I grasp my Patrick Kane body pillow, now emblazoned with a Detroit Red Wings jersey - No, I won’t stop the pain, I can’t stop it. I am one with it. I cry into my official dynasty blanket.
Best one I ever watched was Toronto at Detroit like a decade ago. Only one I’ve ever watched mind you…
Talk about a classic
It was great to watch. Cold climate, was snowing, had to stop play to clear the snow off the ice a couple of times. Tickets weren’t overpriced so it was accessible, was on at 1pm EST so it was perfect for the New Years hangover.
Canada is a myth. It doesn't exist. Like unicorns, tooth fairies, medical evidence of concussions...
checks upcoming WJC schedule
You may be onto something here...
Keep the Winter Classic, get rid of the All Star Game.
I say make it the Winter Classic All-Star Game.
They should replace the All-Star game with the World Cup of Hockey Tournament
This. Cut the crap with these stadium series and do one winter classic a year. I like the winter classic, it’s a nice tradition now. Can’t keep up with all of the stadium series and it’s clearly damaging the viewership of “the big one”
If they were to cut the stadium series they’d have to be willing to open up the WC to more teams. I get that SS has killed the novelty for some, but it’s awesome for fanbases like the bolts, who would almost certainly never get to play in a winter classic.
That being said, the fact that Seattle and Vegas are playing the WC next year suggests they are willing to let someone other than Boston/Pittsburgh/Chicago have their turn
The Winter Classic on New Year’s Day is a must have; Heritage Classic should happen once a season as well.
There have been some good games but for the most part, the Stadium Series has been a case of quantity over quality. Less is more.
Would straight up clear my schedule to watch a winter classic weekend.
This year it was difficult to find. In the past it was on the main NBC channel, so you might get a casual viewer flipping thru.
This year I started at ABC (since, you know, Disney owns them and ESPN and this would be roughly equivalent to previous years). Nope, probably a bowl game. ESPN? Bowl game. ESPN2? "Classic Bowl Game". WTF? Finally went online to search for it. Keep in mind, I'm a big hockey fan that is LOOKING for it. Where is it? TNT. Of course????
Do they still do the road to the winter classic series? That was the best part
Love the idea of winter classic weekend
That sounds like a dream of a weekend watching hockey. Might only get to see one game though because black out dates be real.
You mean the Boston/Chicago/Pittsburgh Classic?
tw: violence. lots of it. some of the videos are rough
It’s Stanley Cup season, which means it’s a good time to dust off one of the most infamous games in NHL history. But to understand why a playoff game turned into a bloodbath, even by old-school hockey standards, you have to know the background.
THE ABYSSOPELAGIC BACKGROUND:
Hockey is a team sport played on ice by people with sticks and knives on their feet, better known as ice skates. Running into other people is permitted and encouraged, within reason. Fights happen, but not as often as people think, and there are a bunch of informal rules about it. Rule infractions result in being sent for a time-out, with minor infractions lasting for 2 minutes and major infractions 5 or, more rarely, 10. Serious violations get you kicked out of the game, with potential for suspensions and fines. The National Hockey League is an international professional hockey league made up of 32 teams from Canada and the United States. It was formed in 1917 in Montreal and is widely considered to be the best hockey league in the world, with players from 18 different countries. The championship trophy is the Stanley Cup, a 34-pound 3-foot-high monster of a trophy that predates the creation of NHL by 24 years and has a long, storied history of deep reverence except for two weeks a year where people put spaghetti in it.
THE DEEP BACKGROUND:
The Detroit Red Wings are one of the oldest and most decorated teams in the NHL. Formed initially as the Detroit Cougars in 1926, they changed their name to the Detroit Red Wings in 1932 and have stuck with it (and the winged wheel logo, which...yeah) ever since. They’ve won 11 Stanley Cups, third behind Montreal and Toronto. From 1979 until 2017, they played their home games at the Joe Louis Arena.
The Colorado Avalanche, also knows as the Avs, were formed in 1995 when the Quebec Nordiques ran into serious money issues and had to be sold. The franchise moved to Colorado and the name changed. They won the Stanley Cup that same year, and have won it twice since.
THE MEDIUM BACKGROUND
The Avalanche played their first NHL game at home on October 6, 1995, against the Red Wings. It was a good game, with the Avalanche winning 3-2. No bad blood. So far, so good.
THE SHALLOW BACKGROUND
The Avalanche had a fabulous year, ending the regular seasons in a high-enough spot to make the playoffs where they advanced, round after round, to face the Red Wings in the best-of-seven 1996 Conference Finals.* The first two games saw the Avalanche win, so things were starting to get tense. The Wings had been the best team in the regular season that year, and hopes were high that the Stanley Cup drought they’d been in since 1955 would finally end.
And then it all went very wrong.
First period of the third game, Adam Foote of the Avalanche got hit hard into the boards by Red Wing Vyacheslav Koslov. It was a nasty hit, and no penalty was called.
A brief note: hockey as it is played today isn’t the same as it used to be. Enforcers** aren’t really a thing anymore because teams would rather hire players who, y’know, can help them win. Penalties for injuring or attempting to injure are called more frequently and have harsher consequences. Eye for an eye, hit for a hit isn’t nearly as prevalent as it used to be.
But! This is 1996, before the kinder, gentler style of hockey currently played evolved. The Avs were pissed, and in response, near the end of the game, Avs player Claude Lemieux sucker punched Koslov. Not cool; he got suspended for a game and fined $1000, but things were even now, right?
Right? Uh, guys?
THE INCITING INCIDENT
May 23, 1996. During the first period of game six, Lemieux checked Red Wing Kris Draper into the boards in one of the nastiest hits in hockey history. Draper left the ice with a broken jaw, cheekbone, orbital socket, nose, and a concussion. He needed reconstructive surgery and had his jaw wired shut. Lemieux was ejected and suspended for two games.
The Avalanche won the game, and went on to win the Stanley Cup.
BLOODY WEDNESDAY
March 26, 1997. It’s the fourth time the Red Wings and the Avalanche have squared off since the Draper hit and tensions are running high. And by high, I mean stratospheric. The first two games since the hit, Lemieux didn’t play due to illness, and he was only given limited ice time on the third, and thus those games had been fairly uneventful.
But this time, Lemieux was going to be back and the Wings had home ice advantage and decided to use it. Red Wings coach Scotty Bowman brought up the Draper hit to rev up the team. The Detroit News ran an op-ed comparing Lemieux to a carjacker and mocked up a wanted poster with his face on it (I could not find the actual op-ed, but there are several sources that quote from it). Extra security was called in for the Avalanche, including bomb-sniffing dogs and the whole team basically stayed locked in their hotel rooms for their own protection.
Less than five minutes into the first period, Av Brent Severyn and Red Wing Jeremy Pushor got into it. Five minutes later*** Red Wing Kirk Maltby and Av Rene Corbet scuffled. Nothing too significant; mostly the fights seemed like a pressure release. Penalties were assessed and play continued. Then, with 1 minute and 38 seconds remaining in the first period, everything went to hell.
BRAWL IN HOCKEYTOWN
Avalanche player Peter Forsberg and Red Wing Igor Larianov ran into each other in an accidentally-on-purpose collision, and when the referees went to break it up everyone else just piled on whoever was nearest. Red Wing Darren McCarty went after Lemieux hard enough that I will not be describing it. Avs goalie Patrick Roy left the net to defend his teammates, leading to a) a midair clothesline right out of the Looney Tunes and b) one of the greatest goalie fights in hockey history.**** Eventually everyone calmed down, slush was shoveled over the blood on the ice and the rest of the game was uneventful.
Just kidding. It took 15 seconds for another fight to start.
Five more fights happened in the second period; at 0:04, 3:34 (two at the same time), 7:24, and 11:26. A hockey game is 60 minutes. There were 144 penalty minutes and two ejections handed out during the game. (And again, this is old-school hockey. Nowadays the penalites would have been much, much harsher with a lot more ejections and a whole mess of fines) It was finally over and now things would settle down.
THE IMMEDIATE AFTERMATH
Things did not settle down.
On May 22, it happened again, with 234 penalty minutes assessed and a $10,000 fine to Avs coach Mark Crawford for an obscenity-filled rant.
November 11, McCarty and Lemieux fought again right after the game started.
April 1, 1998, it happened yet again, complete with goalie fight; 228 penalty minutes.
THE LONGER AFTERMATH
The Avs-Red Wings rivalry has cooled off in the past 20 years, partly because league restructuring meant they didn’t play each other very often and partly because everyone involved retired.
Darren McCarty and Claude Lemieux sat down on the 25^(th) anniversary to re-watch the game. They seem to have gotten over their anger. Their meeting was filmed for ESPN.
Claude Lemieux never apologized to Kris Draper.
*last round before the actual Stanley Cup game series
**guys whose sole job is to threaten and, if needed, commit violence. Scoring or even being good at hockey wasn’t much of a consideration
***game clock minutes, not actual-time minutes
****goalie fights are rare and usually boring; they mostly involve grabbing each other’s jerseys to keep them close and spinning in a slow circle while throwing ineffective punches. The last goalie fight happened in 2021.
Main Sources:
Fight Night at the Joe: Remembering the legendary Colorado Avalanche-Detroit Red Wings brawl of 1997
https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/34131852/fight-night-joe-remembering-legendary-colorado-avalanche-detroit-red-wings-brawl-1997
Colorado Avalanche vs Detroit Red Wings - ''Brawl in Hockeytown'' - March 26, 1997 (NHL Classic) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P4wg21mLf8&rco=1
Great timing! I was just talking to someone about this amazing rivalry.
If anyone is interested in learning more, I suggest Adrian Dater's book Blood Feud: Detroit Red Wings v. Colorado Avalanche: The Inside Story of Pro Sports' Nastiest and Best Rivalry of Its Era.
I went to a fight, and a hockey game broke out!
It's worth mentioning that the Fight Night at the Joe game actually went into overtime, so it didn't even end after 60 minutes. And guess who scored the game-winner in OT? That's right, Darren McCarty (who probably should have been ejected, but eh, who's counting?).
Also worth mentioning: the guy who clotheslined Patrick Roy at the beginning of brawl, Hall of Famer Brendan Shanahan, went on to run the NHL's Department of Player Safety. You really can't make this stuff up.
Did you see the interview where the red swears up and down he didn't see most of what McCarty did so he couldn't call anything but roughing?
Yup, pretty much stated that Lemieux had it coming and saw what McCarty was doing but claimed he was looking elsewhere while the linesmen handled things. The whole thing about McCarty not being ejected does kinda line up with the ref having a bias, rightfully, against Lemieux.
My favorite hockey conspiracy is that Larionov, who I believe never had a fighting major in his career, saw that both McCarty and Lemieux were on the ice at the same time and so purposefully started the tussle with Forsberg to stop play and give Mac his chance. Check out the replay when Mac gets to the box with Larionov already in there and you can see him give some love to Igor.
They didn't call him The Professor for nothing.
Also worth noting that the current head of the DoPS is George Parros, who famously sold a line of apparel that said "Make Hockey Violent Again".
>Scoring or even being good at hockey wasn’t much of a consideration
Neither was the ability to actually skate, in some cases. "Can you get up to near terminal velocity? Good enough, won't need to turn if you come at the guy fast enough"
If anyone wants an idea of the peak of the enforcer line up, take a loot at the 1969 Philadelphia Flyers. One of the players, a Dave Shultz, still holds the league record for most penalty minutes in a single season at 472. That is almost 8 hours of penalty time.
Those Flyers were the team the SOVIET UNION, maybe the best hockey team in the world at the time, ran away from.
The 74/75 Flyers were the team that established the roughness and brutality, that led to OPs whole post.
Thaat's Ron Hextall level bad, holy cow.
He's down to #35 in the career minutes ranking, but even that's pretty impressive at 2,292 minutes. Or 38 hours and 12 minutes. My man spent a full work week on the bench and didn't even crack top ten.
Fuck Claude Lemieux forever
this is about the time my dad stopped watching hockey.
He said the final straw was when he someone trying to stab someone else's eyes out with his finger.
I remember spending New Year’s Day hungover at my buddies house eating white chili and watching.
Not enough viewers ?
Didn’t know it was on yesterday until today. The NHL makes it so hard to be a fan
The NHL is the worst run league in sports
I read that ESPN owns the broadcasting rights and they have a bunch of College Football games on January 1st
Too many bowl games to compete with
People are usually recovering on New Year’s Day and have work the following day. Makes sense to have an event New Year’s Eve.
But it should have been the only game on today imo. Also kind of bad timing with the big Canada vs US WJC game.
history of the NHL Winter Classic
Key Considerations in the History of the NHL Winter Classic:
Inception: The NHL Winter Classic was first held on January 1, 2008. It was created to celebrate the league's heritage and to showcase outdoor hockey.
First Game: The inaugural game took place at Ralph Wilson Stadium in Buffalo, New York, where the Pittsburgh Penguins faced the Buffalo Sabres. The Penguins won 2-1 in a shootout.
Popularity: The event quickly gained popularity, becoming an annual tradition. It attracts large crowds and significant television viewership, often featuring iconic outdoor venues.
Iconic Locations: The Winter Classic has been held at various historic and notable locations, including Fenway Park in Boston, Wrigley Field in Chicago, and Michigan Stadium in Ann Arbor, which set a record attendance of over 105,000 fans in 2014.
Teams and Matchups: The matchups often feature classic rivalries or teams with significant fan bases. The event has included teams like the Chicago Blackhawks, Detroit Red Wings, and New York Rangers.
Weather Conditions: The outdoor setting means that weather can play a significant role in the game, with snow and cold temperatures adding to the atmosphere but also presenting challenges for players and organizers.
Takeaways:
Recommendation: If you're interested in attending a future Winter Classic, keep an eye on the NHL's announcements for the next location and matchup, as tickets can sell out quickly due to high demand.
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