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How Airplane Safety is Tested

TL;DR Airplane safety is rigorously tested through a combination of extensive maintenance checks, structural stress testing, and real-world simulations. The aviation industry has refined its standards and procedures to ensure maximum safety.

Maintenance and System Checks

The aviation industry employs rigorous maintenance and system checks to ensure aircraft safety. Every time an issue arises that leads to a delay or cancellation, it is seen as the safety system doing its job effectively [2:1]. These checks are part of a comprehensive safety protocol that includes crosschecks and redundancy among staff, which helps keep flying safer than other forms of travel [5].

Structural Stress Testing

Airplanes undergo extensive structural stress testing to ensure they can withstand various conditions. This includes testing under extreme conditions, often referred to as the "yellow" zone in a traffic light system analogy, where planes are pushed to their limits but remain within safe operational boundaries [3]. This kind of testing ensures that even severe turbulence remains well within the plane's capabilities.

Pilot Training and Simulations

Pilots receive extensive training that includes practicing emergency scenarios such as engine failures and stalls [4:1]. Real-world simulations and flight lessons help pilots prepare for worst-case scenarios, ensuring they can handle unexpected situations safely. Flight simulators and training programs are designed to mimic real-life conditions closely, providing pilots with valuable experience before they ever take control of an actual aircraft.

Statistical Safety Record

The statistical safety record of the aviation industry further underscores the effectiveness of these safety measures. Despite the high volume of flights globally, incidents have decreased significantly over the years [1:1]. This reduction is attributed to the industry's ability to work with hard data and physics, allowing for highly optimized safety standards and procedures [1:2].

In summary, airplane safety is ensured through a combination of meticulous maintenance protocols, rigorous structural testing, comprehensive pilot training, and a strong statistical safety record. These elements work together to create one of the safest modes of transportation available today.

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So afraid to fly because I work with errors in healthcare all day

Posted by Acceptable_Top_3458 · in r/fearofflying · 7 months ago
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Hi there - new here as a poster. This page has been so helpful for me before some of the recent incidents for general fear of flying; the new problem for me is that I work in healthcare specifically in adverse medical events. I hear about every single medical error that happens in hospitals, and it's part of my job to identify the root causes, and fix them so the problems don't happen again. We use the exact same types of analysis as the airline industry - in fact healthcare models their adverse event structure on the airline industry because the airline industry is so good at reducing errors and learning. This previously had been helpful to me when flying, to know that the airline industry is the gold standard; report the problems and the near misses, figure out all the causes and contributing factors, and put in place corrective actions so that there is very little risk.

Fast forward to the last few months - I can't see how these recent errors that happened in the airline industry have been fixed. Accidents always have multiple causes, and I am having trouble being convinced that the right corrective actions have been put in place to fix them; for example, sure, eliminating helicopter traffic on the route of the DCA crash is a corrective action, but did that get to the root cause? No. It is one contributing factor of course, but the other part, at least from what is being reported, is that there is too much air traffic and not enough air traffic controllers to be safe. I am worried that the underlying structure of reporting problems, and fixing problems that the airline industry is known for is no longer functioning as well as it once was, and I'm having real trouble getting on a plane now because of it. I feel like it's very similar to there being low staff in hospitals, which often leads to unsafe conditions where lots of errors are more likely to happen, and cannot be fixed quickly and easily (like it takes a lot of time to hire and train more doctors and nurses).

Can anyone in the industry help with this? Can you help explain whether actual causes of these problems have been addressed? That would help me so much.

I have a huge trip to London coming up to go sing at two of the cathedrals there and I can't miss it... but I also feel like I can't get on the plane either or my kids will lose their mom. That's what it's come to :(.

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[deleted] · 7 months ago

Healthcare and medicine is in naturally more dynamic. Every human is unique and standards change a lot based on newest research and can even differ wildly from country to country as most problems don't have one clear solution.

Aviation has the great benefit of being able to work with hard maths and data. Physics don't change over night and how everything works is well understood. Standards and procedures have been refined so much that they are as close to the theoretical optimum as possible.

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Background-Ad-9212 · 7 months ago

Go look at how many flights are in the air right now. Go look at how many flights have flown this year. Go take a look at how many incidents a year the aviation industry has had since the 80’s and how there is less and less incidents over time. You literally have a higher chance of dying from a cow than dying in a plane crash and yet you believe root issues haven’t been solved? Cmon….

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Background-Ad-9212 · 7 months ago

Also you can’t compare the medical industry to the airline industry. Sure some things are modeled after the airline industry but at its core the industry’s are so different in so many ways.

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figsandlemons1994 · 7 months ago

hmm this is a bit odd to read haha my husband is a surgeon and flying doesn't phase him at all (lucky him!)

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Flight cancelled today while I was on the aircraft.

Posted by Skinkwerke · in r/fearofflying · 4 months ago

I see a lot of posts on this subreddit about people being fearful of flying a certain aircraft or a certain manufacturer. But the extreme majority of aircraft everywhere, even weird ones in remote corners of the world, have been flying safely for many years. Countless flight hours, countless cycles, millions of passengers carried.

I was on a flight with Delta today from Athens to Boston on a one-month-old, state-of-the-art A330-900neo. An aircraft I very much enjoy. And just like I know with every aircraft, the pilots and maintenance crew do an extensive series of tests and checks before each flight. And today? There was a software issue they could not resolve while we were seated on the aircraft. So the plane is not flying today. This is the why the systems exist. I am flying out tomorrow morning instead. I am more concerned with the frustrations of re-arranging my schedule and wasted time than I am with the aircraft. But a long time ago, this might have made it impossible for me to get onto a plane tomorrow. Now I just see it as evidence to give me confidence in the industry rather than a calamity.

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dementedand_sad · 4 months ago

I had a similar experience. Our flight Monday was canceled due to a computer issue on the plane. Yes, it was an inconvenience but was reassuring. The system is in place for a reason!

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dementedand_sad · 4 months ago

I had a similar experience. Our flight Monday was canceled due to a computer issue on the plane. Yes, it was an inconvenience but was reassuring. The system is in place for a reason!

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n074r0b07 · 4 months ago

You are damn right bro! Heads up to you

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JohnKenB · 4 months ago

Exactly the right perspective!

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subarupilot · 4 months ago

Exactly!! Every time a delay or cancellation for maintenance happens, it is the system trapping that issue and fixing it. It sucks trying to rearrange your life (especially international since there usually aren’t spare aircraft available), but the safety system did its job. I am happy you are able to see it that way, but I am sorry you are having the pain for rescheduling everything!

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Something that has helped my Wife

Posted by Opposite_Guidance_12 · in r/fearofflying · 20 days ago

I used to have a fear of flying, but now I fly with no problems. My wife unfortunately still struggles a fair bit with flying, specifically turbulence at cruise and the fear of a structural failure from turbulence (which is a fear I have seen a fair bit throughout groups on reddit).

Something that has helped her a lot is thinking of structural stress as a traffic light system. Green, yellow and red.

Normal flight and all turbulence, even the severe kind, stay in the green zone. The plane isn’t even close to its limits. Yellow is extreme testing conditions, and red is only reached in certification labs when they literally bend wings until they snap.

The yellow and red zones only happen in controlled factory stress tests where they bend the wings far beyond anything nature could ever throw at them. In the real world, the plane never even gets close to yellow.

So turbulence always = green, always safe.

Just thought I would post as it seemed to help her a fair bit!

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pattern_altitude · 20 days ago

They’re supposed to do that.

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Significant-Move5191 · 20 days ago

That’s a good thing.

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Statistics do not make anxious/scared fliers feel better. Control does.

Posted by Box_Euphoric · in r/fearofflying · 1 month ago

Flying is much more scary with people with general anxiety especially around loss of control.

Most people at this point know that planes are MUCH safer than cars or any form of transportation, but it does not make them feel more comfortable (from my experience helping others, and my anxiety around planes as well). Sometimes it actually makes them aware how more risky a car is.

A car at the end of the day (assuming a cab), you have control around your surroundings, you can see what is happening around you and can understand the risks how to get out of an accident if it happens. Most people know a few that died in car crashes but none in an airline accident and still decide to drive. The thought of an accident while in control is much better than a plane where you have literally zero.

What really helped is diving into what makes a plane safe and how it works. Watch videos on how a plane is built and how pilots learn to fly planes and the scenarios they go through. They go through hundreds of scenarios that happen once in a lifetime, and they fly planes (the smaller ones) less safer than commercial aircrafts. The most scary part for people I know (and myself) is takeoff because you have no idea if its going alright or no, how is the pilot feeling, any issues they are not aware off or mistakes they have made? Understanding all parts of takeoff, the feel of a "dip", acceleration etc... help normalize this feeling. Personally I will pay more for a commentator in the flight deck that can give assurances during scary parts (takeoff, turbulence, landing) since pilots should be focused on flying

"Sorry for the bumps but pilots here are chilling and talking about what to have for dinner in Paris when they land, so all good!"

Finally, You are NOT flying in a metal box, you are flying in a marvel of engineering where thousands of engineers, regulators and pilots who obsess over safety every single day. You are trusting a system built on the souls of the unfortunates who have died through the safest mode of flying.

This may never solve your anxiety but allows you to replace helplessness for respect for technology and the people who dedicated their lives to it.

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Xemylixa · 1 month ago

How an airliner works and How a flight deck works by Animagraffs

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Dependent_Internal98 · 1 month ago

This is facts. I’ve thought about taking flying lessons to overcome my fear. Unfortunately I think this is the only way I could ultimately be done with the anxiety around flying.

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Box_Euphoric · OP · 1 month ago

If you watch some videos of flight lessons or flying school documentaries it may be a good alternative based on experience if you can't do flight lessons.

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pasokonmouse · 1 month ago

i got into flight sim as a way of mitigating my fear. i haven't been on a flight since i started flight simming, but i feel like i'd be more confident the next time.

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otomelover · 1 month ago

I actually bought a joystick becausenI wanted to get into simmimg myself to combat my fears lol. What sim do you play? Haven't found the timento really get into it.

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pasokonmouse · 1 month ago

i play MSFS 2020, picked it up for a decent price during one of the Steam sales. i don't have a flight stick setup yet so i've been playing using a gamepad and some mouse/keyboard haha

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JJbeansz · 1 month ago

do you have some video recommendations? I refuse to search for airplane related stuff since there's always news about some crashes (even super old ones) and it makes me even more anxious to fly :(

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Disastrous_Yak_3740 · 1 month ago

I honestly love watching travel youtubers or influences. Bc if they can enjoy a flight and do like a 10 step skincare routine then why can't I 🤣😅

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Box_Euphoric · OP · 1 month ago

I don't remember the name but I watched a documentary on a flight school in the UK where each pilot did like 2-3 go arounds, the instructor shut off their engine to land. I also watched one where they go into a real stall and have to get out of it.

Basically your worst fears when on a plane they practiced in one afternoon 🤣

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RealGentleman80 · 1 month ago

If control makes you feel better, I’ll let you fly the plane! . . . . . . Just let me get off first

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Disastrous_Yak_3740 · 1 month ago

Literally 🤣🤣🤣

Me: with 0 years or seconds of flying experience

"Yeah honestly i would feel better if you just let ME fly it. 🙂"

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Marija9861 · 1 month ago

And I am watching Aircrash investigations 😄

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A mantra that helps me - “more annoying than dangerous”

Posted by Adventurous-Flow7131 · in r/fearofflying · 29 days ago

I am a frequent flyer and as I’ve gotten older, the anxiety has gotten worse. Just a combination of general anxiety I have and seeing sensationalized headlines.

Recently, a flight I had got canceled and rescheduled because of a problem with a plane. I was so annoyed at first because I just wanted to leave! And then I remembered — this means they’re doing exactly what I want them to do!

The redundancy, the crosschecks, all the staff reporting to each other — that’s exactly what keeps flying so much safer than other forms of travel. There are multiple chains of communication, and so many things have to happen for a situation to be dangerous, and that’s why it’s so rare. But it’s more likely for it to be annoying or uncomfortable. Same with turbulence — uncomfortable, not unsafe.

Hope this helps someone, will be flying out of MIA today after a wonderful convention! I’m so glad I got on the plane and managed the fear!

Update — landed safe and I’m home after a great trip!

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JohnKenB · 29 days ago

Good one, another is "uncomfortable but not dangerous!"

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Adventurous-Flow7131 · OP · 29 days ago

Absolutely!

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The Weird and Wonderful World of Flying Testbeds

Posted by AnyGeologist2960 · in r/WeirdWings · 3 months ago
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Hello there! I’m working on a two-part series exploring one of the most fascinating (and often underrated) sides of aviation: flying testbeds.

In Part 1 of a new article series, I dig into the strange evolution of flying propulsion testbeds—the experimental aircraft that carried the jet engine revolution on their backs.

It’s a story of ingenuity, courage, and institutional optimism. Of bomb bays reborn into labs, and jetways repurposed for the bleeding edge. These aircraft didn’t carry bombs. They carried risk. And every modern engine owes its life to one of these Frankenstein birds.

I hope this sub doesn’t mind a short piece on these weird but wonderful aircraft, and I would be more than happy to read of any interesting aircraft that I may have missed out on.

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Archididelphis · 3 months ago

I've commented, there are "experimental" aircraft that I think could better be described as test beds. The most useful distinction is whether there is a stable underlying design or only a stream of tinkering and juryrigging. The egregious cases in point are the (edit) Ju 287 alleged jet bomber and the Nord 1500 Griffon ramjet.

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DaveB44 · 3 months ago

You might like to correct your statement that "the first British turbojet was the Rolls-Royce RB.23 Welland". The first British jet engine to fly* was the Power Jets W1, which powered the Gloster E28/39.

The Welland was the production version of the Power Jets W2, developed from the W1 & for many reasons handed over to Rolls-Royce.

*Other earlier Whittle designs, the WU, had been bench-tested but were not intended for flight.

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WotTheFook · 3 months ago

Gloster E28/39 - also known as the Pioneer. W4041.

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AnyGeologist2960 · OP · 2 months ago

Ooooo absolutely! Thanks for sharing, I’ll make the change forthwith.

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AP2112 · 3 months ago

Interesting read, thanks for sharing. I love the early jet/turbo-prop tests of the late-1940s and '50s, anything and everything ended up on a Lancaster, Lancastrian or Lincoln at some point, so much variety.

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737 MAX 9 is amazing (and so is your fear)

Posted by twotwosevensix · in r/fearofflying · 1 year ago

Look, first thing I want to say is that although the fear of flying is statistically irrational, the rationality of the fear makes a lot of sense. I want to share with you the things I think about that help me get through it. I fly for business every couple of years and every time it makes me nervous.

When that plane gets going and takes off, my jaw drops how fast we get going and the lift it generates. It is simply amazing!! Sure the plane could crash, but it likely won’t. Like, the chances are quite literally almost 0. There are 45,000 flights a day in the US and almost nothing bad has happened since 2009. But I get it, if something DOES happen, it’ll likely be fatal. Even though that’s not necessarily true, I understand the sentiment (missile with wings vs fender bender)

The way I look at it is when we get in our cars, we almost never think “I could crash and die!!” Because we are in control of the car, we trust our own judgement. Are you telling me you follow every law, and never make a mistake on the road? How long has it been since your car was fully inspected? Is someone observing your driving habits? Well, pilots and planes are looked at on, and after every flight.

So obviously, the fear is in the lack of control. How many things do you do where you’re not in control? How many things could you control, but simply choose not to?? Way more than you think. It’s part of life. But not aviation. They got that shit locked down, air tight. The screws on the plane are tracked down to the mines the ore came from.

Accept that you’re not in control of this marvelous feat of engineering, and that is a good thing, because you would probably fuck it all up. On the tarmac I think about all those who lost their lives in tragic accidents, that this is what it was like for them before it happened. The odds are in your favor, but still, appreciate the privilege to fly, and those who paid in blood to make it safer. Just like a car on the freeway going 65mph, you really don’t feel much other than some bumps at cruising speed. Even if you do, it’s all part of the plan. When that plan takes off and lands it’s exciting, and so much goes into make every part of it safe. When the plan banks what seems to be “hard” or “steep” it’s all part of a plan to save fuel and make the trip shorter. It’s exciting and you should smile at its ability to scare you.

So many people on the plane don’t care because they aren’t afraid. Your fear of not losing your life is good, but don’t let it keep you from living. I think a little bit of fear keeps things interesting in life. Enjoy your fear. Let it excite you and your appreciation of life.

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xImperatricex · 5 months ago

Nah, watch the Netflix documentary about Boeing. The fear of flying on a Boeing model that's had a very high number of recent incidents (The 737 Max 9) is actually statistically rational at this point, particularly considering the oversights and negligence at Boeing. It is rational not to trust their products in today's context.

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Warm-Violinist-1760 · 1 year ago

this was awesome i am saving this to read on my flight tomorrow when i panic thank u so much

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NASA Tests Research Aircraft to Improve Air Taxi Flight Controls - Credit:Lorkiewicz,Rob

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Stunning-Screen-9828 · OP · 2 months ago

I know some of you will ask about the plane's "civilian registration number", but I guess I can't see it.

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Boeing 727 Crash Survivability Test.

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DPC128 · OP · 6 years ago

It was unmanned!

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[deleted] · 6 years ago

An unmanned test to demonstrate who would be fucked if it crashed. As this test demonstrates, fuck pilots.

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hocuspocushokeypokey · 6 years ago

I understand that, but in the case that these were to replace current Boeing’s.

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[deleted] · 6 years ago

If there had been a pilot, he probably would have said he's nor going to die for their stupid test, and landed it safely.

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BrushFireAlpha · 6 years ago

what were the results of this test? were they pleased? is this what they expected?

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iz_no_good · 6 years ago

i bet that the pilots association weren't happy with the results ¯\__(ツ)__/¯

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BrushFireAlpha · 6 years ago

Yeah I mean I feel like on one hand it shouldn'tve broken apart but it also kept the passenger part of the plane all in one piece without shattering so idk

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Itchiha · 6 years ago

One of the things i remember is that the weels on the wings are designed to fail in these scenarios, but the one under the cockpit isn't. That's why the cockpit broke of.

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omega552003 · 6 years ago

It was the 2nd test of intentionally crashing an airliner in a realistic manner in which the occupants/passengers could survive. Basically seeing what forces were put on the plane, safety devices and passengers.

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Star-Ripper · 6 years ago

I’m confused. What does this have to do with the first comment? I don’t know anything about aviation.

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Owan · 6 years ago

Air-stair. Stairs used to load/unload people from a plane. On the 727 there was a built in staircase on the back of the plane that was used to board the plane in places that didn't have equipment available (this was the '60s and stuff was still developing in many parts of the world re: air travel)

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[deleted] · 6 years ago

I believe most dc-9s have them too

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how airplane safety is tested

Key Considerations for Airplane Safety Testing

  1. Design and Engineering Analysis: Safety begins in the design phase, where engineers use simulations and modeling to predict how the aircraft will perform under various conditions.

  2. Material Testing: Aircraft materials undergo rigorous testing for strength, durability, and resistance to fatigue and corrosion. This includes stress tests and environmental exposure tests.

  3. Component Testing: Individual components, such as engines, landing gear, and avionics, are tested separately to ensure they meet safety standards. This includes both static and dynamic testing.

  4. Flight Testing: Once the aircraft is built, it undergoes extensive flight testing. Test pilots evaluate performance, handling, and safety features under various scenarios, including emergency situations.

  5. Crash Testing: Some manufacturers conduct controlled crash tests on components or full-scale models to study the effects of impacts and improve safety features, such as seatbelts and cabin design.

  6. Regulatory Oversight: Agencies like the FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) and EASA (European Union Aviation Safety Agency) set strict safety regulations that manufacturers must comply with before an aircraft can enter service.

  7. Ongoing Maintenance and Inspections: After an aircraft is in service, it undergoes regular maintenance checks and inspections to ensure continued safety and compliance with regulations.

Takeaway: Airplane safety is a multi-faceted process involving rigorous testing and compliance with strict regulations. The combination of advanced engineering, thorough testing, and ongoing maintenance ensures that modern aircraft are among the safest modes of transportation available.

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