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Compared to where he began in S1. How far has Mark come in terms of his overall power and skill set?

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King_Korder · 5 months ago

Mark is going through an arc where he has to embrace his viltrumite side to become a better hero for humanity. This doesn't mean embrace their ideologies, but some of their nature in terms of ruthlessness and rage. So as he progresses along this, until he reaches a point where he has to start growing more as a human, he's just gonna get stronger and stronger.

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Ironside62488 · OP · 5 months ago

I really liked this interpretation. I can see what you're saying. Mark is going to have to become a better soldier to become a better hero.

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King_Korder · 5 months ago

Exactly. I'm not trying to spoiler, but that's why the story of Invincible follows this growth and not who he is afterward. It's like we're watching Superman grow up. Clark wasn't always perfect, but the superman we see in comics often is depicted as perfect.

I think invincible asks the question "What would a being like that have to go through to become such a heroic individual?"

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RedNUGGETLORD · 5 months ago

Mark in season 1 couldn't even hurt Nolan

Mark in season 2 was able to solidly beat a Viltrumite that is about half as strong as Nolan(Thula and Vidor together are equal to Nolan, Mark beat Thula)

And Mark in season 3 is 2.3x stronger than that Mark, so he is solidly around Nolans level, probably still lower though, but at the very least he should be easily toying with low-level viltrumites like Thula and Vidor, I could see him struggling with Lucan though

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Ironside62488 · OP · 5 months ago

I think your summary is one of the more accurate description of Mark’s development.

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RedNUGGETLORD · 5 months ago

It's kind of hard to tell how strong Invincible characters are with all the holding back and stuff, for example, Immortal is always shown to be equal to a Mauler twin, but Oliver easily one-shot them, when at this point, he should be weaker than Immortal, either Immortal holds back on them for some reason, or the Maulers held back on Oliver, which I could see, considering they could make Mark bleed in season 2, but couldn't REALLY hurt Oliver, only throw him around a bit

So I understand where everyone else is coming from, even if they are wrong

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Thebiggestshits · 5 months ago

He's more durable and can throw a much stronger punch then he could before in S1 and S2. He'd have killed the reanimen except for the boyfriend guy. Been more useful against the Flaxons. The Maulers wouldn't have beaten the crap out of him as bad, though still would've swarmed him. He'd have been more helpful during him and his fathers fight with Viltrumites on Thraxia.

All to say if Mark was this strong from the start He'd have beaten the crap out of most of the villains before this minus obvious exceptions like Nolan and Battle Beast. Bro is still cooked against those two.

I think the holding back meme is real, but I also think that now that he is this strong, the writers are throwing stronger opponents at him to fight solo. Omni Man struggled against one Kaiju in season 1. Mark was going to struggle against a bunch of lava kaijus without support. A lot of his losses made sense. They've upped the power levels of everyone, including the Earth Heros, with appearances of new stronger or seemingly skilled heros like Tech Jacket and Best Tiger who somehow hurt Sinister Mark with a bullet.

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the_real_cloakvessel · 5 months ago

season 3 mark could solo both season 2 and season 1 mark together

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ProtectMyExcalibur · 5 months ago

I feel like season 3 Mark could punch a hole through season 2 Mark’s chest.

Season 3 mark could probably hold season 1 Mark with a finger like Lucan did to him.

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glockster19m · 5 months ago

And season 2 mark could punch a hole through season 1 marks chest

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Profesionalintrovert · 5 months ago

he definitely got way stronger since season 1

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Ironside62488 · OP · 5 months ago

Facts. Mark has definitely made major steps since S1

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Is it just me or is Mark Grayson's strength wildly inconsistent?

Posted by [deleted] · in r/Invincible · 4 years ago

This is not a rant and it's not reducing my enjoyment of the series (IT'S FREAKING GOOD) but like the title says I'd like someone to open my eyes on the matter.

Ep 1- Throws a baseball across the globe I think casually. Same episode he struggles against the rock guy(Titan)
Ep 2- Gets a rage boost after seeing Eve almost die, yet can't kill the alien boss
Ep. 5- Stops and throws an asteroid back to space. Rage boost doesn't do shit against the thugs he faces.

I get some things are done for plot reasons, but can someone tell me an estimate of his base strength and whether his powers will keep fluctuating as the show goes on?

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Just-A-Lucky-Guy · 4 years ago

So, spoilers

>!Not inconsistent, just...relative. Mark is a traditional hero at the moment. He doesn't believe in killing people and would have a breakdown if he did. However, being a viltrumite, he could do so if he cuts lose. Even in his rage, he doesn't hit people that hard. If, for example, he did then everyone in that room save for battle beast would have been cracked in half. Mark is also still training, as he's literally a baby. Mark is 17 and viltrumites age slowly and slower the older they get. They live thousands of years. Mark is also more than 99% viltrumite for two reasons that the show will get into. Mark has baby viltrumite strength that must be cultivated and trained. So, if Mark hit harder: the flaxan leader would have been dead. Titan in his appearance in the first episode? Dead. Cannon arm guy? Super dead. Wolf face lady, dead. Doc Sesimic, dead. Battle Beast...amused and annoyed that Mark dares.!<

tl;dr - Mark doesn't like killing and doesn't see that as heroic as it's not the model that Mark based Invincible on.

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Desperate_Beautiful1 · 4 years ago

Yes, I'm going there. I'm honestly not sure Battle Beast is as powerful as a lot of people here think he is at this point in the story. I think Nolan could wreck him. Not as sure about Mark

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swigityshane1 · 4 years ago

read the comics. put respect on his name- no one else in the story can do what he did, period.

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[deleted] · 4 years ago

Have you read the comics or are you speculating?

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TheOGTrap · 4 years ago

Spoiler! In the comics, (Not gonna say who it happens to) >!But he accidentally kills (not really) a villain because he thought they were stronger than they actually are. Eventually, later on in the comics, you see he's wayyy stronger than lead to believe when he goes into full fuck-it mode. He could solo Earth before Robot built his anti-Viltrumite army at the end, but you'd never see that because he holds back so damn much.!<

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Ironside62488 · 4 years ago

Mark is still growing into his powers/abilities. While also building up his combat skills, also take into account he still holds back a lot. It clear to see why his strength would appear to be inconsistent to some. But it's not.

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Xerneous12_ · 4 years ago

I think his strength is consistent since he's fighting other superpowered individuals.

This also isn't your typical show/comic where they power up when they get angry. The 'greater power' that's shown when Mark rages is just him being more aggressive and fighting harder. It doesn't lead to harder hits, just better ones.

Mark also holds back his full strength sometimes since he's cautious about severely injuring or killing people. He's also basically a baby Viltrumite since he just got his powers and needs to actually train them to get stronger.

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[deleted] · 4 years ago

When the bully guy was punching him in ep 1. He felt the first punch but he kept getting tougher as the bully kept going.

Also in ep 2 when he was trapped in the quick dry cement thing which was designed to counter him when he got angry he managed to break it like it was nothing. Rage boost is a crude term but him getting really mad does visibly make him stronger.

I also get the holding back part but remember in ep 5 when he yells "You are fucking dead" I thought he was gonna go for the kill like Omniman did with the Guardians of the galaxy, but in retrospect I could be taking things too literally

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entity_TF_spy · 4 years ago

In episode 1 it seemed like he hadn’t taken a hit in his life. It wasn’t until his dad punched the shit out of him that he went back and took it like a champ showing that the bully wasn’t actually hurting him. I’d say it was more of an emotional response like when he explains to Nolan that he was scared of being hit, but he could physically handle it. It just took some mental adjustment.

And who’s to say how strong that cement shit that the aliens hit him with was, plus it was the first time he ever had anything like that happen to him, and he was traumatized from the carnage of the first alien attack, specifically when he injured the old lady he was trying to save.

I think they do a great job showing how strong he physically is while at the same time adjusting to the new lifestyle from a mental standpoint. It’s a major plot point with him dealing with his emotional human side vs his OP viltrumite side.

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[deleted] · 4 years ago

It's never super consistent in the comics, but the cat guy he fought in episode five is way stronger in the comics than the rest of the thugs. He's like, Omni-Man level.

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Ok_Eye_922 · 4 years ago

Normally he’s a 40-50 ton after he turned 17 although he does become 100 tons with a whole lot of adrenaline but mark is about 400 tons

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Fantasy_Connect · 4 years ago

Titan is incredibly strong. Not Mark as he is atm strong, but I believe he's in the 20 ish ton range. Like, twice as strong as Spider-Man, who is pretty damn strong.

The only issue is ep5 makes Titan feel less durable than he should be, I dont think an LMG would chip away at his armour that easily.

As for the Flaxxan, Mark was about to go for a kill strike and stopped to pull the thing off of Eve's face.

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So Invincible (mark) is really bad at fighting (season 3)

Posted by Flat_Box8734 · in r/CharacterRant · 5 months ago

Let me start off by saying, yes, I get it. Mark is 19 and just got his powers, which explains why he isn’t the most skilled fighter. Plus, he’s most likely dealing with trauma from the Levy fight, which could explain why he hesitates to access his full strength.

But what that doesn’t explain is how, after a whole year of experience, training, and improving his strength, Mark’s approach to fights is still… bizarre.

Fighting a dozen clones? Instead of using the super speed he conveniently forgets he has, he chooses to punch his way through multiple bodies, wasting time more time. Facing a guy who shoots electricity? Rather than trying to get him as far away from civilians as possible, Mark flies around and asks him to stop, and that’s kinda it?. Then there’s his fight with Immortal. Mark repeatedly tells him to stop, but when that obviously doesn’t work, he makes no attempt to defend himself using even the most basic grappling moves. The guy is way stronger than Immortal, yet somehow a simple chokehold never crosses his mind. And when it comes to the Mauler Twins with their massive guns? Mark’s brilliant idea is to awkwardly dodge around for a bit before slowly flying toward them…. Why he thought that was a good idea is beyond me.

Now, this might be fine when Mark’s facing opponents who are much weaker than him. But when he goes up against people who can actually challenge him (like the Mole Monsters or Cecil’s ReAnimen) his lack of tactical thinking becomes painfully obvious. In both cases, Mark gets thoroughly beaten, and it’s frustrating because he doesn’t even try to come up with smarter solutions. It’s like he’s using zero brainpower, making decisions that even a random bystander could outthink.

And here’s the thing. Mark is capable of thinking on his feet. Remember his fight with Liu? He quickly came up with the idea to fracture the ground and throw Liu off balance, opening him up for an overhead attack. That’s the kind of creativity he needs to rely on more often.

So yeah, I get that Mark’s young, inexperienced, and still learning. But after a year of superhero experience, I’d expect at least some progress in how he approaches a fight. Again I’m not saying I’m expecting mark to have Spider-Man levels of ingenuity and creativity, but cmon it’s been 3 seasons. Dude shouldn’t be this bad at fighting

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NockerJoe · 5 months ago

There are a lot of points where he proves he has skills. He dodged all the stuff that caused thee variants to get shunted into the other dimension by Angstrom. He beat the reanimen the same way his dad beat the guardians. So on and so forth.

But yes, Mark is stupid. Thats his actual weakness. He's impulsive and not very smart, he both fails to trick people or even try when it would be easier than fighting, or else he himself is very easy to trick. He isn't a thinker.

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SnooSongs4451 · 5 months ago

But he didn't just get his powers. He's had his powers for two years by this point. I feel like we should have seen some skill improvement after two years.

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TheCybersmith · 5 months ago

He spent significant portions of that time in hospital, to be fair.

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Arcane10101 · 5 months ago

Sure, but he also spent a significant portion of his time training specifically to beat Conquest. You would expect Cecil to have Immortal teach Mark his fighting techniques or something.

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Dragonwhatever99r · 5 months ago

I still find it funny as hell Rex was getting his ass beat by the Multi-Paul’s and Mark just leisurely makes his way over there.

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ThrowRATruthorDie · 3 months ago

Omg, this pisses me off so bad

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Beleiverofhumanity · 2 months ago

Right like dude you can walk through these dudes at faster speeds than they can react.

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TheCompleteMental · 5 months ago

The show never really explores differences in skill to begin with. Which I do sorta understand since it's the hardest thing to convey and storyboard and produce. But it's also the most beloved thing in any fight when it happens, arguably the most crucial part of turning a fight scene into an expression of character.

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badbitch_boudica · 5 months ago

Mark's problem by s3 is that he wants to be classic superman. He is now well aware that his powers far outclass everyone else on earth and that misusing that power could easily slip into being a callous viltrumite territory. So he now intentionally holds back against most opponents believing they will certainly be weaker. He fails to realize that acting quickly and decisively is just as important even if it means risking doing something that could be more lethal or destructive. He ultimately pays for this folly in the avoidable deaths of s3 and his own near defeat by conquest. Oliver is being set up as the opposite, he also wants to be classic superman but lacks the understanding of death and destruction to be at all concerned about being too "viltrumite". Just look at how Mark treats Cecil, Mark is struggling with his idealism as it conflicts with the grim reality of his verse.

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Reminder that currently show Mark is stronger than THIS

Posted by fatloseryeetlol · in r/Invincible · 1 year ago

Ik Immortal has become a clown figure for all of us to laugh over and you're probably like "well no duh Mark is stronger" but REALLLYYY think ab the fact that he could actually make Nolan bleed, and could make a big ass clash that didn't instantly turn him into paste.

Mark went from not even his strongest punch he could muster getting no-sold by Nolan, to bein stronger than the mf who's regular combo punches actually had more of an effect than even the expensive ass orbital laser

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DeadAtomicLov3 · 1 year ago

Isn't it a thing though that voltramites get stronger when they're beaten to near death and then heal from that experience. I'm pretty sure that was a thing I'd have to reread the comics again but with how many near life death experiences he had his strength would have been bolstered quite a bit

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IPoopDailyAfterWork · 1 year ago

That's how Allen works. Viltrimites typically just get stronger with age and training. But a complete beat down is likely a learning experience, which could make them better fighters. I suspect we will see mark in a full viltrimite rage and display what he's truly capable of by the end of the this season.

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CrimsonHedgehog · 1 year ago

No, that's never explicitly said. They get stronger from training and experience but near-death experiences don't particularly strengthen them beyond that. Allen is the only one in the series who gets those kinds of boosts

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NaoSouONight · 1 year ago

Mark was absolutely not holding back in some of those punches, like the one after Nolan talked about Debbie's life no mattering or the one after the train massacre.

It still didn't even bruise omniman or draw blood. I don't know why people can't accept the fact that Season 1 Mark wasn't that strong compared to other characters. Obviously, he is much stronger now. Viltrumites get stronger with time.

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ThunderBlack14 · 1 year ago

Mark thought he wasn't holding back, Nolan point that on Thraxa fight, he always hold back on Earth, was psychologic thing of being the hero he always dreamed. But i agree that he grows much stronger in Season 2.

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FruittyBaskett86 · 1 year ago

Doesn’t Mark kinda get a buff each time he’s beat to shit?

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Almightyriver · 1 year ago

No. Viltrumites get stronger through training their powers and pushing themselves to their limits. The only reason Mark gets stronger after certain fights in the comic is because they far outclass him making Mark use 200% of his effort.

Allen the Alien gets stronger after getting the shit locked out of him like a Saiyan though

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NaoSouONight · 1 year ago

No, that is sayans and Allen's species. Viltrumites simply get stronger with time and training.

They don't get a boost from almost dying. That is a common misconception that people keep repeating to each other.

If that was true, Viltrumites would be regularly nearly killing themselves for extra power with how obsessed they are with strength. That is not mentioned being a thing even once in the comics.

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elexexexex2 · 1 year ago

6 months plus getting absolutely demolished in fights. When viltrumites heal, they get a decent boost, similar to Allen.

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ZodiacKiller20 · 1 year ago

6 months is forever for a teenager turning into an adult. And we know Mark is a late bloomer so he's just hitting his viltrumite 'puberty'.

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3N3RJ3X · 1 year ago

Mark gets stronger over time. He's way older now. It's like putting your teenage self against yourself in college.

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fatloseryeetlol · OP · 1 year ago

Yea Mark has proven himself in s2 fs. The victory against the sea beast and a HUGEE surprise with how well he did against Thula

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This shows that while weak, Mark is slowly getting stronger

Posted by Temporary-Duty-4492 · in r/Invincible · 4 years ago

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NolanGrayson24 · 4 years ago

He’s not weak. Like at all.

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Temporary-Duty-4492 · OP · 4 years ago

What I mean is that mark isn't on the same level of strength compared to characters that rival or surpass omni man like battle beast.

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Y_b0t · 4 years ago

Actually, those are just about the only two characters we’ve seen that can take Invincible in a fight

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kzzmarcel · 4 years ago

battle beast >!actually is strong enough to turn nolan into miced meat!<

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go_green_team · 4 years ago

True, but I don’t think he could have handled that ass beating right after getting his powers. He used many people in between to increase his ass beating taking ability

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epg_240 · 4 years ago

Another thing about mark's strenght is shown in the comics (spoiler, duh)>!when he goes back in time he manages to take on his father shortly after gaining his powers during one of the flaxans invasions i believe, he was nowhere near to defeating nolan, but he managed to earn enough time to get help from the og guardians of the globe instead of almost dying. !<

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[deleted] · 4 years ago

I don't think he is actually getting stronger. It's just that he is more used to it and better prepared.

His reaction to the first punch is more about the shock of being punched at all, he is not really hurt.

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CptPanda29 · 4 years ago

He rockets in power pretty regularly. Just keeping active is enough.

Plus his human aging interacts with his Viltrumite aging, since V's get stronger as they age anyway and humans age way faster than V's. The two feed into each other for a while.

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Rank_Tuna · 4 years ago

I never really thought about the way that his human side would actually mix with his viltrumite side. Pretty interesting!

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[deleted] · 4 years ago

No that's not correct.

Omni Man said that Viltrumite genes are so pure that Mark is almost full blood. So he is genetically 99.99% Viltrumite. The human side and viltrumire side don't mix, he is viltrumite.

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Koala5000 · 4 years ago

Yes we did. When he calls his Father a liar he goes into a rage mode. It just doesn’t take much for Omni-Man to give him a slap on the wrist and say enough is enough lol

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Kevin-Coomsalot · 4 years ago

My favorite superhero, Title Card. He just make giant titles appear in everyone’s faces for a couple seconds. It’s only really useful for causing car accidents

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How far does Invincible (Mark Grayson) scale in the MCU

Posted by CHARLIE_ZILLA · in r/whowouldwin · 2 years ago

R1: End of season 1

R2: Mid way through the mainline comics

R3: Post Thragg Star fight

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LordHammerfury · 2 years ago

Show Mark hasn't done anything particularly impressive yet, but he did tackle Alen to the moon in relativistic speeds. This puts his kinetic energy/power on par with phase 1 and 2 Thor and Hulk. Comics Mark is far stronger and faster than everyone besides god tier people like the Celestials.

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RaptorK1988 · 2 years ago

Mark scales quite high, he's at least around Captain Marvel/Thor level by the end of the show. Considering that he can stop a large meteor and throw it back out into space, or tank a fast moving train to the face. On top of that he's faster than most of the MCU as well.

Midway Comic Mark might lose to the Eternals or stronger OP MCU entities.

Comic Mark probably only loses to reality warpers.

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LordHammerfury · 2 years ago

It's not an anime

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DolphinBall · 2 years ago

I forgot most of early mark but would say around Spider-Man level. But post Thragg fight I think he would be above Thanos level.

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RoofRevolutionary148 · 2 years ago

Nah, I’d say Mark in season 1 scales leagues above MCU Spider-Man. I mean, Spider-Man was Knocked out, albeit not immediately, by a train, while Mark, well you know. He was, training.

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DolphinBall · 2 years ago

Well to be fair metro trains really only go to 75 mph a brush off the shoulder for any mid to high level superhero. Spider-Man got hit by a bullet train going at 217 mph.

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CHARLIE_ZILLA · OP · 2 years ago

throws trash bag into orbit

“yea man he’s about Spider-Man level”

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Melodic_Summer_8823 · 2 years ago

Mark is strong enough to be like above any avenger or something like that, the Avengers are just comparable to him If you make some exaggerated nonsense scaling

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Respect Invincible! (Image Comics)

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###"You guys looking for this?" ###"Drop it, freak! Or we blow you away." ###"I wouldn't try that. I'm... Invincible.

#Respect Mark Grayson, otherwise known as Invincible

#Biography

Born on Earth as a half-human half-Viltrumite, Mark Grayson is the son of one of the most powerful being in the universe, Omni-Man. Yet for most of his life, he remained a normal boy, only able to wait in anticipation for the day his powers kicked in until one day, out of the blue, they did. Soon, he followed in his father's footsteps, donning a yellow, black and blue costume as the hero Invincible!

Yeah, a pretty short-sighted choice for a hero name.

Since acquiring his powers, Mark has gone through many death-defying adventures. Fighting other superheroes, aliens, traveling to different dimensions, encountering alternate versions of himself and even combating many members of his race, the world-conquering and bloodthirsty Viltrumites.

Ultimately, Mark was the catalyst for leading his people down a different path. Taking over as the ruler of his people, he reformed his people as a peaceful race. One that acts with compassion, and mercy. For under his rule, that is the Viltrumite way.

#Source Key

Invincible = #(Issue number)
Invincible Returns = IR
The Official Handbook of the Invincible Universe = OHIU

Scaling References:

Strength

Lifting, Pushing and Pulling

Striking

Throwing

Flight

General

Catches baseball he threw beforehand^#6
Crushes turret in hand^#16
Holds back dozens of martians^#18
Crushes Angstrom's orbs in his hands^#60
Bites and tears off a chunk of Conquest's flesh^#64
Strangles Conquest to death#^72
Kills Dinosaurus off-screen^#100
Rips through Thragg's son's neck with a squeeze^#132
Bites Thragg's throat out^#140

#Speed

Movement

Combat and Reactions

Exchanges blows with Allen^#5
Dodges Night Boy's tackle^#21
Is able to exchange blows with Viltrumite warrior^#29
Avoids dinosaur's bite^#33
Tags werewolf before he can escape^#57
Weaves around Angstrom's orbs^#60
Avoids Dinosaurus' attack^#68
Is able to keep up with Thragg in speed^#140

Durability

Concussive

Piercing

Sequids fail to pierce his skin^#18
Hundreds of Sequids cannot pierce his skin^#70
Is unharmed by Dinosaurus' teeth^#68
Sword breaks on his skin^#144

Esoteric

No-sells Furnace's fire blast^#19
Furnace's blasts can reach up to1,500c/2,730°F^OHIU
Takes a hit to the face from Battle Beast's mace without skin being pierced^#19
Is fine being in contact with Magmaniac^#47
Magmaniac can heat his body anywhere from 700c to 1200c^#OHIU
Unharmed by Angstrom's machine exploding^#24
Withstands ear pulse^#50 attacking his equilibrium^#50 for several seconds
Takes Powerplex's blasts, even as he uses Mark's own kinetic energy to amp him, with minimal injuries^#59
Does so again later on^#81
Takes Universa's blasts numerous times and is only a "little dazed" after^#69
Tanks villain's lightning and Doc Seismic's seismic waves^#79
Is unharmed by magma against his skin^#107
Although it could kill him, withstands high-pitched frequencies created from punching Robot^#111
Withstands being near the sun^#140 for prolonged period of time^#140

Endurance

Sustenance

Is fine existing and holding his breath in space^#5
Body staves off^#88/89 an enhanced^#88 version of the Scourge Virus^#66 which wiped out 99.9% of the Viltrumite race
Has a natural resistance to the virus due to his heritage^#90

Regeneration

Recovers from his fight with Omni-Man in little over 2 weeks^#13
Heals quickly from the Conquest fight, though longer due to severity of injuries^#65
Heals from intestines being torn out by Conquest^#72 in a few months^#73/74
Heals from burns received while near the sun rapidly^#141

#Statements

#Alternate Universe Marks

Cannibal Mark

Black/Blue Suit Mark

#Viltrumite Physiology

###"I've been thinking a lot about the past lately, and... one thing keeps coming back up. There's just... there's so many things that remind me of something my father once said to me."

###"It was during our big fight... he looked down at me and said... what will you have after five hundred years?"

###"Heh."

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NuzlockeMaster · 7 months ago

Great thread Dull, this one needed an update for a while.

I just have one thing, the link for Mark tackling Conquest in the planet only has one scan when I'm pretty sure the feat goes on for a bit more and even shows off the damage.

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LazyLurker29 · 5 months ago

>Is unharmed by a bomb that glasses Las Vegas^(#80)

Dinosaurus says it'd take "at least fifty" to level the city, right on the page - it wasn't just one bomb that did it, and I doubt Mark would be in the blast radius of all fifty.

On the other hand, given he's literally holding one of the bombs in his hands...that one, at least, he took at point-blank range, which is rather impressive.

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aprettydullusername · OP · 8 months ago

he never loses a fight in the entire comic's run btw

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giant-tits · 7 months ago

Technically loses to Omni-Man in their fight and Anissa literally rapes him

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LurchingVermin · 7 months ago

loses to battle beast, loses to nolan, loses to anissa, him and eve and oliver losing to thragg,, he's lost a few times lol he just always comes back

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InverseFlash · 8 months ago

https://youtu.be/luIWdR0ZXZg?feature=shared

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DrySatisfaction6706 · 8 months ago

Great thread, love that alternate Mark's were included. Is this gonna have ones from other stuff too, like Dynamo 5, The Pact, Savage Dragon, etc.?

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aprettydullusername · OP · 8 months ago

Will be working to include those appearances today! And I'm glad you enjoy the thread :)

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DrySatisfaction6706 · 8 months ago

Yeah, the alternate Marks really show how powerful he's gotten since then, and there's quite a few feats from his main run I didn't even remember!

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r/Invincible • [8]

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An Appreciation post for Mark Grayson’s Strength

Posted by bunzworld · in r/Invincible · 4 years ago

Hey, I’m gonna give you a second chance because you clicked this post.

I’m loving the amount of show only watchers! Especially reading everyone’s first theories!

As a comic reader, it reminds me of the good old days before I knew anything.

(Not saying that in a bad way, saying that in an upset way - I want to relive experiencing the universe for the first time.)

>!Spoilers ahead lol !<

Spoilers ahead

>!Stop reading if you don’t want them!<

More spoilers ahead

>!If you got this far I can’t help you, but I want to talk about EOS Mark. !<

>!Watching the show again, and seeing where he started. It almost makes me emotional to see who he becomes. He’s everything I’ve ever wanted in a hero. The parallels to the World Betterment Committee were •chefs kiss•! And how powerful he becomes alongside his children... who I absolutely wanted more of.!<

I hope we get more seasons, this series deserves all its success and more!

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Flooping_Pigs · 4 years ago

The only problem is where do you go from basically being a god aside from even more psychological traumas and dealing with them

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bunzworld · OP · 4 years ago

True! Maybe Id enjoy the >!political aspect more!<.

If you remember the end of issue #144 >!where Terra fights that one planets champion and the new Viltrumite Empire peacefully transitions them into the alliance. I actually wouldn’t mind an extension of that alongside Marky’s and Terra’s story.!<

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Flooping_Pigs · 4 years ago

That's actually a really cool idea I didn't think about lol thanks for being so careful with spoilers btw

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bunzworld · OP · 4 years ago

I wanted to make this post as Spoiler safe as possible!

Hoping I followed the posting rules correctly because I’d love to discuss this!

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SHAD0WBENDER · 4 years ago

Agree with everything you’ve said. My big issue at the moment is if they maintain this pace he’s gonna be at that point in like 3/4 seasons. Doesn’t feel anywhere near enough

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EnchantedDestroyer · 4 years ago

Ig might be a lot of time jumps between events

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r/Invincible • [9]

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This post is for those watching the show and are upset with Mark “losing” all the time [Extremely light comics spoilers]

Posted by Runty25 · in r/Invincible · 6 months ago

Ok last warning here, very slight comics spoilers ahead.

Seriously

I see a lot of people complaining that Mark doesn’t feel stronger than in s1, and I can understand that sentiment for someone who comes from other animated shows.

What really happens is he wins, but comes out pretty banged up most of the time. In other shows/media, if the hero wins, most of the time they aren’t coming out of the fight with two holes in their chest (Liu fight).

That’s just not how invincible fights work though. Mark will always be banged up after a fight, which I think is super satisfying because it gives weight to his victories.

Also just as a side note, narratively speaking he is permitted to get that messed up because he can heal so well (refer to episode 5 where his chest holes are healed after a few hours).

Basically what I’m saying is that you might want to get used to seeing Mark not taking overwhelming victories, because that’s just not how Kirkman writes. Of course there are exceptions, but I feel as though you would enjoy the show more if you had the right expectation.

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Neuroborous · 6 months ago

As a show only watcher whose been spoiled pretty significantly, my issue stems from the way it feels like Mark is constantly getting bodied by more powerful beings who still have kind of lowly earth origins. He's more than twice as strong as he was at the beginning of the show, with way more experience, but he's still getting bodied by doc seismic. And sure seismic teamed up with earth pressurized bugs but mark is still getting beaten by the seemingly c tier first season villians. I loved the Mauler twins, but they shouldn't be able to get so close to victory with Invincible on the job. Mark getting tagged with their new gun when he can get to the moon and back in less than a minute is insane.

And I've come to understand that even Nolan fought with imagine dragons for 10 hours, but that kind of just bothers me all the more. Why is a being who is arguably number 1 in the verse just chilling in the villian league on earth? I get that his mortal body is his weakness but he can still pilot an immortal dragon with the strength and speed to fight the best viltrummites to a standstill.

I just don't get the power scaling here, or I do but it's not satisfying for me thematically.

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MafubaBuu · 6 months ago

Doc Seismic litterally beat every hero on earth - it wasn't just Invincible that lost there. Dude earned some respect as a super villian there.

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coffeewiththegxds · 6 months ago

I may be wrong in this, but ppl seem to think that being Invincible means you’re so powerful you never get hurt…but no matter what gets thrown at mark he ALWAYS GETS BACK UP. I feel like that’s the true meaning of his name.

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Canadian_Zac · 6 months ago

Also, a big part of his power, is he generally gets stronger the more beat up he is

There's plenty of cases of him being overpowered by something Then someone else is in trouble, and he near effortlessly throws them off

Viltrimites fight at 100% even while holding their intestines in

Mark starts a fight at 60%, and goes up to 120% the more he gets beaten up, and jumps to 200% if someone else is in danger

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sadmadstudent · 6 months ago

literally dying

raises fists

looks up at strongest superhero on the planet

spits blood

"I'll stop you." -Mark

If the audience hasn't figured out that's who Mark is by this point it's because they just aren't paying attention.

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Its0nlyRocketScience · 6 months ago

I checked with the dictionary, and you're right. For some reason, likely due to media like superman where he never gets so much as a scratch most of the time, my understanding of the term invincible was someone or something that can't be harmed. But the dictionary has a less strong definition of merely being undefeatable, no mention of being harmed.

So Mark has proven invincible by being undefeated and always coming out on top with no permanent harm. It's just that I, and probably a lot of other people, misinterpreted the word to mean something that Mark absolutely fails at nearly every time: he gets harmed quite a lot. I never complained about it and thought it was meant to be kinda ironic, but nope, it's accurate.

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Significant_Salt56 · 6 months ago

Hid name isn’t even ironic.

Invincible means unable to be conquered. Mark never gives up and thus can’t be conquered.

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Acecn · 6 months ago

I think the canon reason is supposed to be that Mark is constantly holding back (Nolan even mentions this outright when they're fighting the viltrumites together), but personally that just makes his character extremely annoying. You're telling me this guy is holding back while all of the planet's heroes are in mortal danger to avoid possibly hurting literal bug monsters?

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kthugston · 6 months ago

He wouldn’t know he’s Invincible if he was actually competent with his powers. He could’ve named himself “Captain Competent” instead

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thakkarnandish · 6 months ago

It's his undying resilience why his name is apt. He truly is Invincible in that regards!

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Zionishere · 6 months ago

The irritation comes from the fact that they spend the first episode boasting of Mark’s insane increase in speed, strength, and durability, and then show him getting beat up by people who shouldn’t pose a challenge to him. It never feels like he actually got stronger.

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BillyButcher1229 · 6 months ago

That’s not invincible, it’s insatiable

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r/CharacterRant • [10]

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[Invincible] Mark is such an idiot.

Posted by michiel11069 · in r/CharacterRant · 4 months ago

God, I mean come ON. Really? Im on S3 E2 and is mark just holding back all the time? I just saw an entire training montage where his strength went up by 138%. Thats 2.38 times more. 2.38 TIMES! And the stupid bugs were pushing down on mark, even before it poisoned him and made him weaker, isnt mark supposed to be strong? You’re telling me that the GDA had to make a new heaviest thing for mark to lift but he couldnt lift a bug?

On top of that, he couldnt just rip the egg like prisons open like the reanimen did? Yeah immortal tried to break it but he was pushing outwards, couldnt mark rip the eggs like the reanimen?

But lets say that the reanimen are for some ungodly reason ultra strong, because why not, well, then mark couldnt possibly beat them right? WELL GUESS WHAT! HE CAN! AN ENTIRE ARMY INFACT!

So about 10 or so reanimen (not sure how many exactly) could beat many of those bugs, with the superheroes help ofcourse, but mark cant just lift the bugs? Or punch through their eye like he does with the reanimen?

The explanations I heard for the bug thing is that mark was “holding back”. Say that he was.. WHY? Why was he holding back? EVERY SINGLE ONE of his superhero friends were gonna die down there because he was supposedly “holding back”

Then after cecil saved all of their asses, he comes up and is mad about the reanimen. Like, yeah they almost killed your best friend, yeah its traumatic but DUDE, you cant just think of them saving you and in turn the entire planet earth? I completely understand cecil, mark cant see reason beyond what he thought of in his mind. Cant mark just think of the greater good? Darkwing is a cold blooded killer, who saved you, that sinclair guy is an asshole murderer but atleast hes contained, its not like theyre making him roam free, hes basically in prison but just helping everyone.

Anyway, I do love the show, I just wish marks power was shown more often, hes too “moral” for my part.

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zoskalanic · 4 months ago

That’s one of the parts I like about the comics better than the show. In the show they tell you mark is the strongest hero. In the comics they show you. Dude dog walks everyone but like world ending threats.

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Galifrey224 · 4 months ago

I don't think its Mark being stupid as much as him being constantly nerfed for the sake of the plot.

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Flyingsheep___ · 4 months ago

My favorite was the fight with the sequid ship. Mark is easily strong enough to literally just pull up, ignore all the octopuss, save the astronaut and toss him in a ship then toss the entire martian ship back to mars.

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rendar · 4 months ago

Yeah the onus of the godawful writing is pretty clear:

Doc Seismic has to somehow be able to capture all of the heroes and somehow be able to restrain them so that somehow it's up to Mark to save them all, because he somehow has to completely struggle and lose to the bugs so that somehow the ReAnimen can beat them so that Cecil can be shown to be justified in proceeding with the program instead of throwing DA Sinclair in a deep pit so that somehow Mark's teenage angst isn't somehow terrible characterization.

All of this petty melodrama in front of the backdrop that the Viltrumite empire is going to extinguish Earth if sufficient resistance can't be manifested.

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XXVAngel · 4 months ago

The reanimen are just mvps the entire season. They're unnamed cannonfodder yet manage to be better than the entire guardians of the globe.

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Cloutstaker · 4 months ago

I read it as more as mark rejecting the whole Viltrumite savagery, he could totally just absolutely brutalize his opponents. But he doesn't.

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OutInTheWild31 · 4 months ago

Yeah but that falls apart after he does brutalize Angstrom Levy and Conquest (even though the writing forces them to stay alive lmao)

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Galifrey224 · 4 months ago

That doesn't really explain why he doesn't just dodge most attacks tho.

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ItzEazee · 4 months ago

It's because the identity of Invincible is built on Mark getting his ass kicked, so even though Mark is growing and becoming a lot stronger the show really just wants him to lose.

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Kentuckyfriedmemes66 · 4 months ago

Mark is basically as strong or maybe even more stronger than Omni Man but since he doesn't want to muder everyone in 5 seconds like his dad does he purpously holds back and lets them beat his ass until Mark finally gets pissed and kills them

Oliver is way weaker then Mark and it took him less then 10 seconds to brutally murder the Mauler Twins cause he actually uses his Vitrumite powers

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DoraMuda · 4 months ago

There's no way Mark, a 19-year-old who only got his Viltrumite powers 2 years prior, is already on Nolan (a fully-grown adult Viltrumite who is thousands of years old)'s level.

(Sinister Mark and Omni-Mark might be, though.)

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TestIllustrious7935 · 4 months ago

And does so in ways that make no sense

He didn't even get to fight Maulers, they instantly disabled him

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