TL;DR Replace brake pads when they wear down to about 2-3mm thickness or when you hear squealing from the wear indicator. Regular inspections are key.
Wear Indicators and Thickness
Brake pads typically come with a wear indicator that starts to make noise when the pads reach a critical thickness, usually around 3mm [2:3]. This squealing sound is an alert for the driver to check the pads. The minimum safe thickness for brake pads is often specified by the vehicle manufacturer, such as Toyota's recommendation of replacing pads at 1mm thickness
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Driving Style and Conditions
The frequency of brake pad replacement varies significantly based on driving style and conditions. Highway driving with minimal braking can extend the life of brake pads substantially, while city driving with frequent stops may require more frequent replacements [4:1]
[4:3]. Some drivers report going over 100,000 miles without needing a change due to gentle braking habits
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Inspection and Maintenance
Regular inspection of brake pads is crucial. Many recommend checking the pads during routine maintenance like oil changes or tire rotations [2:2]
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Dealer Recommendations
Be cautious of dealer recommendations that might suggest premature replacement. It's beneficial to ask for specific measurements rather than accepting vague terms like "75% wear" [5:1]
[5:5]. Independent mechanics can provide a second opinion and ensure that the entire braking system is maintained properly
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DIY Considerations
Changing brake pads can be a straightforward DIY task for those comfortable with basic car maintenance. However, it requires proper tools and safety precautions, including jacking up the car safely [3:8]. If you're not familiar with the process, seeking professional help is recommended to avoid costly mistakes
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I bought a 21 ORP about a year ago with 32K miles. I am just about to hit 40K and I'm looking through this maintenance schedule- https://www.4runners.com/out/?url=https%3A%2F%2F5th-gen-4runner.s3.amazonaws.com%2F0-100K%2BMaintenance%2BMap%2B-%2B4Runner.pdf&inner=MC0xMDBLJTIwTWFpbnRlbmFuY2UlMjBNYXA%3D&post=440819
This suggests getting new front brake pads every 10K miles and rear brake pads every 20K miles. I'm planning on doing both since it's about to hit 40K and I'm not sure when the brake pads were last replaced. I like being able to stop. It comes in handy.
For future maintenance, front brake pads every 10K kinda feels like overkill. This is strictly based on other Toyota's I've owned. And I've been lazy. But as previously mentioned, I like brakes. They are kinda important for things like not dying.
That chart is saying inspect every 10k. Change when needed
I haven’t changed them on the 4 runner yet, since it’s new, but on my Tacoma I changed the front at 90k km. The pads actually had more life on them, but I had everything apart so I changed them anyways
When they are worn out, you replace them. That's it.
Maybe you drag the break pedel when driving and need a new set every 500, or maybe you do a lot of highway driving and downshift to slow down and can go 150,000.
I just sold my 2017 with 57k miles and never did brakes. I also coast a lot and try not to be heavy on the brakes.
I always go by the owners manual. It says to INSPECT. If it's 2mm or less, it's time. Most 4Runners go 60K miles or more on the original set, depending on the driver and are driven.
That maintenance schedule says to inspect the brakes (for uneven wear and corrosion) every 20K front and 20K rear, and to replace them when they wear down to 2MM material thickness.
Depends a lot on your driving style, but new brakes are something you should budget for every 3-5 years (possibly more frequently), depending on how much you drive. When you get your oil changed our your tires rotated a couple times a year, your mechanic should check your brake pads and drum/disc wear when you only have a few millimeters left, or your brakes start squealing every time you used them, they need maintenance!
When 3-4mm of liner is left on the pad.
It's not generally useful to measure brake replacement.in terms of distance due to the variability of types of driving. Highway commuting versus stop and go traffic for example.
Generally, you'll get a metal squeal at 3mm, which is a metal burr incorporated.into the liner to indicate it is time to schedule the pad replacement and brake service.
Best way to determine how much life is left is to pop the tire off and look at the pads. This is a relatively easy process by just jacking that side of the vehicle up and taking the tire off. You can get a good view of the brake pad and determine if thete is enough pad left. The other option is to find a trust worthy mechanic close by that will check when they do tire rotations, but you have to be very careful finding a shop. I have had many "trustworthy" shops tell me pads were needed that had thousands of miles left. Also brake pad replacements are some of the easiest most cost effective maintenance activities you can perform, just search your vehicle on YouTube and you will find an easy step by step video on how to do the replacement.
Not a dad but a car mechanic. Have a reputable shop check them for you. Mileage only serves a rough estimate at best. You want a brake measurement, unless they are at 2mm or less you don't need them yet. You can go years without needing to change them out. I will also say do not "pad slap" (only changing the brake pads), make sure when you change your pads you either change out your rotors or have them cut. The reason for this is because warped rotors can destroy new pads. It is best to just do them at the same time.
Hi dads,
My brake pads just started squeaking tonight. I knew they'd need to be replaced fairly soon, but I was planning on driving about 400 miles (roundtrip) this weekend to visit some friends, and going into the mechanic will throw it off quite a bit. Can I wait until after the trip to change them?
Brake pads are the cheapest replacement parts you can find. You can usually find a good local 'shade tree' mechanic who can knock it out in under an hour.
If you wear them down, there are rivets that will get exposed and will drive into the rotor. Then your rotor will get grooves where the rivets are touching the rotor. Now, you have to replace rotors and pads. Or worse, it doesn't stop when you need it to.
Typically when you hear the squealing, but that's usually an indication they need to be checked. Not necessarily that they need to be changed. Doing your own brakes is the easiest thing to do, alot of people pay 800+ to get them done for maybe 20mins worth of work. I could get rich off brakes and oil changes alone.
Can you change the brakes without jacking up the car? Because I'm pretty sure it would take me more than 20 minutes just to jack up the car and let it back down again, nevermind the brake work, and all that times 4.
ok maybe 30-45 mins. i mean what are you using a bottle jack? 3 ton floor jack quick look under the car, find my jack point pump it up take the tire off with the air tools, pop the caliber bolts off, squeeze the pads back some require to twist the piston back into the caliber but its mostly foreign cars. Pop the new pads on put tire back on drop the car down. 90% of the time the front are what's stopping your car. Only time you need to do the rear is when the pedal is soft and feels like you need to apply more pressure.
No, you will need to get the tire off the ground in order to remove it. Its a great investment to have a good 4 way lug nut tool and a good jack in your car. Note, do not set them loose in the back seat or rear of the SUV, in the event of an accident everything loose becomes a projectile and getting hit with the jack could be really problematic.
Learn to jack up one wheel at a time and NEVER rely on the jack or allow any part of you to be under the car or (when changing brakes) under the rotor. Try to always have someone else nearby that knows how to use the jack. In event of emergency, do not call 911. Raise the car, first!
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ETA: youtube is a great place to learn about car work
The time to do it is always before a trip. However, did you pull the tires and look to see if your pads actually need to be changed? If they don’t need to be changed, they slides may simply need lubrication. Look first, then you will know.
Squeaking doesn't necessarily mean they need changed. Something could be stuck in the caliper, etc.
You also don't want to mess around with the biggest safety feature of your car. Get them looked at.
Sound advice. I'll probably take it in.
Agreed. Shouldn't take more than an evening to change out
Brakes usually have what's called a "wear indicator" (Circled in red here) that grinds against the rotor when the brake pads start to wear out, that's most likely what you're hearing, and that's it's purpose.
You shouldn't have to replace the pads until they get below about 1/4 inch thick, but if you're not familiar with checking it yourself it's best to rely on the squealing of the wear indicators.
When you first start hearing and if it's not frequent, it's probably not bad. If you hear it all the time in dry conditions it's time to replace them. If you hear them in wet conditions you should have already replaced them. There are some factors that can affect these guidelines, but they error on the side of caution, generally speaking it's the best way to be sure to stay safe and avoid worse damages down the line.
Since you're planning a road trip, I'd say go ahead and replace them now, better safe than sorry. And they'll, at the very least, be an annoyance if you don't.
Also consider finding someone who'll show you how to replace them yourself, the pads are really cheap and easy to replace (if it's disc brakes, drums are a pain and may be worth it to you to just pay someone), it'll save you a lot of money in the long run.
Thanks for the tips! That's really helpful. I'll probably take it in tomorrow.
I agree, I should learn how to do it myself.
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Whenever I feel them getting weaker or when my mechanic says they should be done.
Common sense is rare, kudos
Depends on the car, for me. When I had a stick, it was a lot less because I didn't need to ride the brake nearly as much in day to day traffic, and I could downshift when coming off the interstate, and all that.
I used to get 3 or 4 years out of them.
6+ years (100,000+ miles) on my current vehicle. Brake pads aren’t about miles driven but how much you use your brakes.
My commute is mostly highway miles with minimal braking, and my vehicle has large dual piston front calipers with larger pads that last 3-5x as long as my prior vehicle that had much smaller single piston calipers, brake pads and rotor
Same for me. I tend to go easier on the brakes now vs young dumb Fred. They last a lot longer.
When they need them.
100k ish
2012 Prius, bought new. Current mileage is approximately 71,000. Brake pads have never been replaced.
In mid 2024 I took the car to the dealership for an oil change. They told me I had "75% wear" and I should change the brake pads. My thinking was "If they have 75% wear at 12 years, that means it'll take me another 4 years to get to 100% assuming I continue adding miles at the current rate."
I have an oil change appointment this week. I'm not sure exactly where the brake wear will be, but I am sure they're going to tell me to change the pads again. My plan is to refuse the service; I'll change the brake pads when I hear noise from the wear indicators.
I'm wondering if this is a sound plan. Also I don't think I want to pay dealer prices for the brake job. I use coupons for the oil change and it is price competitive with non-dealer options.
"75% wear" is an inexact report. Is that "they are worn to 75% of the original pad thickness" or "they are worn through 75% of the pad thickness and have 25% thickness left". This has the smell of a dealer upsell.
The specification for pads is pad thickness. The spec from the Gen 3 factory service manual.
Front brakes
Standard thickness: 10.0 mm (0.394 in.)
Minimum thickness: 1.0 mm (0.0394 in.)
If the pad lining thickness is less than the minimum
thickness, replace the disc brake pads.
Rear brakes:
Standard thickness: 9.5 mm (0.374 in.)
Minimum thickness: 1.0 mm (0.0394 in.)
Ask for (or measure yourself) the remaining pad thickness.
At 71K miles, I am inclined to think that the pads are 25% worn (or at about 7 mm pad thickness). But, only a measurement will tell the truth.
The manufacturer spec is the way to go. I still haven't changed my Brake Pads and the indicator has not began to function. They are thin but probably 2mm. I've got all the stuff on the shelf to replace when I am not as lazy as I have been this long weekend.
I wouuld say go for it. I changed my brake pads at 130K miles. My first change since I purchased my car used. My car brakes SO MUCH BETTER now
My 09 is at 330k+ and still on the brakes it was wearing when I bought it at 160k. Prii are easy on brakes if you don't usually brake hard, the friction brakes don't even engage until you get down to about 15mph.
I am at almost 200k miles, on original pads and rotors.
Last dealer inspection stated I had 60% pad life left.
I really doubt you are at 75% used at only 71k miles.
Dealer lying or you have a heavy brake foot.
Go to an independent mechanic to make sure.
Most of the braking done by a Prius is regenerative (if you drive the car smartly), and very little is done by the friction brake pads. It is not unusual to see Prius cars with well over 200K on a set of brake pads.
That depends on if they were installed in the first place, if the pads have them, and many times the wear indicator is below the minimum recommended thickness.
Have them done at a good independent shop. Pad wear is only a part of the equation. You would be wise to have them done soon so you can make sure the whole system is maintained properly such as lubricated pins and clean brake fluid etc
You would be wise to have them done soon
Why would you change pads that don't need replacement?
Because if you are having brake maintenance done (which prevents much more expensive problems), the pads are dirt cheap to replace while they’re at it
yes I'm aware of this,. In fact my plan was to wait until I hear this, then get the brakes serviced.
So if you wear the brake pads down to 100% you will ruin the brake calipers as the heat from the metal pad backer rubbing on the metal rotor to brake your car will cook the hydraulic seals in the caliper causing them to eventually hang up.
Next time someone tells you something like 75% ask for the measurement. The brake pads have a minimum thickness that Toyota states in the maintenance manuals. This does not mean the pad is 100% gone, it's the minimum safe thickness to still provide adequate braking.
If you wait leaving the pass to wear down too far you'll cost yourself lots of extra money.
Are you technically supposed to just change the pads more often? Or is a rotor change inevitable?
No, rotors wear regardless of the age of the pads. They will eventually need to be replaced. You can resurface them and get better life out of them, but they don't last forever.
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> rotors wear regardless of the age of the pads
Modern brake pads should last at least 25,000 to 50,000 miles if you're a good driver, who's not in constant stop and go traffic, or even up to about 70,000 miles if you're not a delivery driver who stops every 1.1 miles to drop something off.
But, your rotors should last at least two to three, or sometimes even four changes of brake pads.
The pads are designed to wear out. The rotors are designed to not wear out nearly as fast.
Sure, provided you haven't overheated and warped them and they need to be replaced forthwith, they all eventually do succumb to the inevitable micrometer thinness death and have to be replaced, but that typically only happens once in the life of an average car.
Two parts whose only purpose is to rub against each other to create friction. Pads are made to wear out more easily, but the rotors wear also.
It’s like cutting wood with an axe. You can cut a lot of wood with one, but they’re not indestructible and have to be sharpened regularly and eventually replaced.
Don’t forget to flush your brake fluid while you’re having your brake pads/rotors replaced.
There is still a physical part rubbing and pushing down on the rotor, The brake pad may be changed often enough but wear is inevitable as that's just how physics and friction work. You could probably have them resurfaced (they are put on a lathe and have a small amount milled off, to create a smooth rotor surface). It is much cheaper to resurface than fully replace, BUT there is a threshold to the thickness of the rotor so eventually they will have to be changed.
Rotors wear out and may get warped. They don't last forever
I bought a dealer car with 1000 miles on it and this is my first car, I only use it for commuting to work and do errands. I have never taken it out in a travel further than 40 miles. It has 8000 miles now and I've noticed the brakes are kinda loose but I don't think they are something risky by now, I just don't wanna end in an unsafe position one day. Thanks for any advise
Expect to get 45k out the pads maybe more if they're ceramic but that life span all depends on how you drive.
What do you mean they are loose?.you change your pads when they are below a certain mm. Resurface or replace your rotors, do your tire rotations, check your tread depth
"The brakes are kind of loose" What exactly does that mean?
The other thing is; this car is still under the manufacturers warranty. You need to have this conversation with a service writer at your local dealership.
I just meant I feel the difference between 8 months ago and today, that's how long I've been driving it. I know driving a bad serviced car is fatal and bad for my pockets, that's why I want to be very vigilant of every detail, even if it costs the money it does. I don't abandon my things and I guess I'm kinda decent at keeping them in good state. I know the warranty still on but my point is that this will be my first time changing them and I don't want to do a miscalculation because what I just said. Perhaps I'm worrying too much but I think is better for me to be checking on them rather than being on the opposite side
By loose do you mean you have some travel on the brake pedal? You'll get that as the pads wear down or maybe If you swapped brands. I wouldn't worry about it. The dealership is always out to dig into your pockets. You can get a gauge that measures your pad thickness. But you can also just take a peek through the crack of your spokes. Just can't see the other side unless you take the wheel off. Your pads come with a indicator, so if it wears down, she'll start squealin'. I know some will feed you a load of crap and sucker you into getting something that doesn't need to be taken care of.
I changed my cousin's transmission fluid and 10,000km later the dealership told her the transmission fluid needed changing.
I flushed my friend's brake fluid and he took it in a couple weeks later for an alignment check and the guys told him there's too much moisture in the brake fluid he needs a flush.
My point being is that dealerships are out to make money. They are after their own best interest not yours.
Once they start squeaking. Usually around 60000 miles.
My mom's car has 162k miles on it with the original brakes. I wouldn't go off of the 60000 mile recommendation.
No way it should need brakes yet.
yeah that's what I think also, anyway I want to get an idea of how long because this is my very first car and I don't have too much knowledge about maintenance
Just a rough idea even if you drive it like you stole it the brake should last 50,000 miles. I’ve seen cars that were driven gently where the original brakes lasted 100,000 miles.
That's such bad advice. Just go based off the mm on the pads.
The best advice is to get a multipoint inspection which usually covers mm left on brakes (ask for a picture, or physically be escorted to see them) and go from there.
I'm just realizing that I'm at 85k miles and have not replaced either the brake pads or rotors yet. I purchased my 2012 2nd Gen Base Fit used but it was at 25k miles so I doubt that either of them were replaced before I purchased the car as well. I haven't seen any idication as of yet that they need to be replaced and generally I'm fairly soft on the brakes with my Fit as it brakes fairly easy natually.
It's wholly based on driver habits. I went 62k before replacing mine, I've seen people here and in the forums going 80k so I'm not terribly surprised. The factory pad is a very long life compound but doesn't have great stopping power. I switched to a organic hybrid pad, then later going full ceramic when I went to 11 inch rotors.
I've had the replacement pads and rotors on hand for a couple years... was gonna change em a while back, but they have life and just keep working fine so if it ain't broke lol... what I'm saying is... u can go a while... never bad to have replacements ready on hand.
Highway miles the rear brake pads lasted me 210-220k.
Front ones about 75-85k.
I engine brake too.
I have 59k on mine and 8/10 left on the front... Seems like I can go another 150k or so with them.
08 Sport automatic, 150K miles. Front brakes roughly every 2 or 3 years of commuting in Washington DC area. Rotors changed every time pads are because they seem to warp pretty regularly.
I have a 2023 Mazda 3 with close to 30K miles on it, currently. I bought the car new from the dealership in 2023 and since then, I have not changed the stock brake pads. I want to know around how many miles should I change my brake pads? What are signs my brake pads need to be changed? Around how many miles did you first change the brake pads on your Mazda?
Here are some maintenance items/guides to save you some money. Most of these items are super easy to change and replace.
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Measure the pad thickness. I'm at about 77k and haven't had to change mine yet.
We still have a lot of pad thickness left all around at just under 70k miles.
It depends on how you drive but usual signs is they start squeaking also you could just visually check them.
are you banned from google and local garages? bloody hell I hate this post
The brake fluid level is a good indicator. When the pads are thin, the fluid goes low. Change the pads instead of putting in break fluid.
This is probably a really obvious question to ppl here, but if my friend doesn't replace her brake pads for a long time what would happen? It sounds like metal on metal whenever she brakes
You destroy the rotors. And ultimately, car won't stop when you need it too.
Very expensive compared to just doing the proper maintenance.
Ok she needs to just replace the brake pads so the rotors and calipers don’t get damaged
If metal is already grinding, rotors need replacing too and they cost a fair bit.
Hopefully that's all that's needed. If it has been going on a while, they may already be damaged.
You turn a 20$ scenario into a multi hundred or thousands scenario. Replace the pads, they are very cheap
Found some on parts geek for 9$. For two wheels!
If she isn't doing this simple and mandatory maintenance, what else is she neglecting? That car can get very very expensive to repair. It's in her best interest to maintain it... Even if it's just the minimum. She's also risking complete strangers lives by driving a dangerous vehicle.
Smh she makes fun of me for driving a Honda but got an Audi and doesnt maintain it
Also the people who spend the least on maintenance on cars is people who drive luxury brands. I have a friend that has a newer Mercedes and is always asking me to do free or super cheap oil changes for him and then do other repairs too.
Sounds like a keeper.... The Honda.
Cars are just machines, the status is artificially created by humans. If she buys into this and "designer" clothes, etc. Then be prepared to play that game, try not to evolve into yet another shallow douche. Think of what the word superficial actually means.
You've heard the phrase "all sizzle and no steak"? Yeah, that.
But does it need pads? Some brakes can last a long time depending on how you drive.
It literally becomes metal on metal. And she should get that fixed asap
She needs pads and rotors now. Rotors could of been avoided
There are usually crazy metal to metal brake pictures posted there daily during the work week.
Just take a look through r/justrolledintotheshop.
how often should you replace brake pads
Key Considerations for Replacing Brake Pads:
Mileage: Generally, brake pads should be replaced every 30,000 to 70,000 miles, depending on driving habits and vehicle type. Check your owner's manual for specific recommendations.
Driving Conditions: Frequent stop-and-go traffic, hilly terrain, or towing can wear out brake pads faster. If you often drive in these conditions, consider checking your pads more frequently.
Brake Pad Material: Different materials (organic, semi-metallic, ceramic) have varying lifespans. For example, ceramic pads typically last longer than organic pads.
Signs of Wear: Pay attention to warning signs such as squeaking or grinding noises, reduced braking performance, or a warning light on your dashboard. These indicate that it’s time to inspect or replace your brake pads.
Visual Inspection: Regularly inspect your brake pads for thickness. If they are less than 1/4 inch thick, it’s time to replace them.
Recommendation: To ensure safety and optimal performance, have your brake pads inspected at least once a year or during regular maintenance checks. If you notice any signs of wear or if you frequently drive in demanding conditions, consider replacing them sooner. Regular maintenance can help prevent more costly repairs down the line.
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