TL;DR Rimless toilets are easier to clean due to their design, but regular maintenance with appropriate cleaning agents is still necessary.
Advantages of Rimless Toilets
Rimless toilets, such as the Caroma Luna Cleanflush, offer a more hygienic and easier-to-clean design compared to traditional toilets. The absence of a rim means there are fewer places for dirt and bacteria to accumulate [5:1]. Users have noted that these toilets do a better job of cleaning the bowl during each flush due to the direct water flow
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Cleaning Techniques
For cleaning hard water stains and mineral deposits, using acidic cleaners like Zep Acidic Toilet Bowl Cleaner can be effective. Letting the cleaner sit for an extended period is crucial for removing buildup [3:1]. Pumice stones are also recommended for scrubbing stubborn deposits without damaging the porcelain surface
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Using Cleaning Agents
To maintain cleanliness, you can use gel toilet bowl cleaners containing hydrochloric acid. These should be applied under the rim and allowed to work before scrubbing [2:3]. Additionally, pouring CLR or Muriatic acid down the overflow tube can help clear out any blockages in the jets under the rim
[4:2]. However, caution is advised when using strong chemicals to avoid damage to plumbing components
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Regular Maintenance
Despite their ease of cleaning, rimless toilets still require regular maintenance. Using tools like Clorox toilet wands with disposable sponges can make frequent cleaning more manageable [1:1]. Regular scrubbing with a toilet brush and cleaner will ensure the toilet remains hygienic
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Considerations Beyond the Discussions
When selecting cleaning products, consider environmentally friendly options that are safe for septic systems if applicable. Additionally, maintaining good ventilation in the bathroom can help reduce moisture accumulation and prevent mold growth around the toilet area.
Anyone know of a toilet that cleans itself, including under the rim and seat? As many of you know, we can leave quite a mess under there. After 25 years with a pouch, I’m ready to spend some money on a Cadillac of toilets that cleans itself- even the underside of the bowl!
The highest end Toto bidets have “e-water” cleaning that sprays the inside down with hypochlorous acid.
I actually bought a hypochlorous acid appliance(~$150) and make my own that I use to spray down the toilet manually, way less expensive than the $1200 Toto.
Toto toilets with their tornado flush seems to go along rim. I don’t have one so I can’t speak to effectiveness. They also have a pre-misting function to produce a water barrier.
I have a Toto topper/bidet and it does a spray of the bowl after using it, and that does help. But I’m guessing the full toilets do a much better job.
You still need to clean it. We got Toto’s last year with all the bells and whistles and it gets gross pretty quick if I don’t keep up with cleaning.
I know many recommended Toto’s but even those you need to clean. I got Nexus with S7A washlet and all the bells and whistles, it gets gross pretty quick if I don’t keep up with cleaning
lol. We def leave some poop on the bowl. Hahaha
Oh yes.
I don't have a self cleaning toilet, but a Clorox toiletwand with disposable soap-loaded sponges makes it a lot easier to clean the toilet frequently!
Same!
I live alone- never have guests over. My toilet bowl isn’t that dirty- the primary issue is the very difficult-to-remove hard water ring.
If I’m not in a rush to clean it and have a busy schedule, is there an easy “solution” (no pun intended) that I can just let sit that will eventually get rid of the ring over time, without having to scrub laboriously?
(I used to try using various brands of toilet tablets before the ring ever formed but none of them helped, even though they all said they work for hard water…)
I’d suggest scrubbing it with a wet pumice stone because it’s not gonna just go away, but once you do get the ring out you can use something like Zep acidic bowl cleaner to maintain.
You need a gel toilet bowl cleaner in a bottle that contains Hydrochloric acid. Squirt it under the rim, let it fall. Squirt on the bowl, all the way around just above the water line. Leave it for a while to work, then brush off.
You could also 'push' the water out of the bowl with the brush which will lower the water line. Put gel cleaner directly on the minerals/water line.
To be clear, I am NOT talking about those gel stamp things.
How dangerous is that for the pipes/anything else? I don’t know much about plumbing…
It is fine. Toilet bowl gel cleaners either contain acid or they contain bleach. The acid cleaner will remove the mineral build up. Bleach will not
Gentle scrub with a pumice stone should do the trick. Before I had a water softener I always had to do this about once a month.
The ring has been there a while now though (and gradually worse)- do you imagine it’ll still just take nothing more than a “gentle scrub”.
If it’s that fast and easy, I’ll do it- if it’s going to take extensive scrubbing I’d like an easier solution (even if it may take weeks of some kind of solution for the ring to gradually go away).
Totally understand your concerns! I was dealing with previous house owners also not cleaning properly so it was quite a build up of minerals, which took a bit to get all off however once that initial scrub is done, it’s way easier to maintain with the pumice stone. I’d wet the stone and then scrub, repeat as necessary.
No. However, if you shut off the valve and then flush it and your toilet level doesn't come all the way up to the ring when you do that you might have some luck with something like CLR, but it's not going to do any good if it's diluted by the water in the bowl.
If you shut off the supply, you can sometimes get enough velocity with a plunger yo significantly empty the bowl. Depends on the p-trap.
You could also bail the water out. If you're especially squeamish you could put a bleach solution in there for a little bit so that when you do have to bail the next flush in order to get a product to work on the dry bowl, it would be sanitary.
You will need to do a strong acid soak overnight to remove the hard water ring. As for cleaning toilet I'd scrub it once a week. My favorite easy solution has been the Clorox magic wand.
I don't find any pictures anywhere of deposits like these on the inside rim of a toilet bowl above the water jets. There are plenty of similar deposits below the right, at or below the water jet level but not above. The water has always risen above the level water jets. I assume this is not how it's supposed to work, but I don't know that for a fact. At any rate, the problem is how to clean this without roughing up the surface and making it even more prone to getting deposits stuck on it. Magic Erasers disintegrate on it with no discernible effect. Scotchbrite and Bon Ami do nothing, and that already more abrasive than I want. I just used Scotchbrite and Barkeeper's Friend and it had no effect I could see. I want the cheapest easiest solutions, of course. Sorry to post such an ugly picture.
I use drywall sanding screens/sheets, 220 grit for hardwater and tougher gunk in toilet bowls. It wont scratch as long as the screen/surface is wet. Easiest method ive seen so far
they come in longer pieces so i tear off like a 3 inch piece and use it until its gone. they last awhile
This is a job for a pumice stone.
Yep
Pumice stone. Make sure stone is fully wet as well as the area you will be scrubbing. So easy and no fumes.
Toilet rock, it’s like a pumice stone for your feet but for toilets
Yep.
Zep Acidic Toilet Bowl Cleaner. Let it sit for at least an hour. Clean. Repeat. Clean again. Then, whatever is left, go in with a WET pumice stone in circular motions, tiny - not across. The cleaner will remove 90% of that buildup, the pumice stone the other 10%. Dwell time is SUPER important on this one. Let the cleaner do what’s it’s meant to do. Make it work for you!
I gotta clean my toilet. What are my options?
According to past posts its normally soaking paper towels in vinegar and putting them under the rim? How do they stick under the rim?
I also saw a post about pouring CLR down the fill tube inside the tank? Would this work? I have a ceramic toilet fyi
Any other suggestions are greatly appreciated please and thank you
Pour CLR or Muriatic acid down the overflow tube. Wear gloves and face protection. It takes a while for either to work. Pouring down the overflow tube will help clean out the holes under the rim. Mine were so full of hard water deposits that I had to use a small allen wrench to scrape the calcium build up out.
Doesnt CLR only really work if it sits and breaks down the deposits? If ts flowing wont it work less? Also my fill tube is plastic, wont this corrode from the CLR?
Eh, it's just CLR, not hydrochloric acid. While I'm not savvy enough with chemical / material interactions to say whether long term exposure would do anything, realistically it's only going to touch the plastic for a short time before it runs off to the porcelain. Didn't do my plastic overflow any harm at all.
I use a toilet brush with Clorox cleaner once a week or so.
straightforward. nice. thank you
Depends on just how bad it is. We have seriously off-the-charts hard water here, and one of our toilets had calcium buildup in almost every single jet. We dried the hell out of it, taped over the jets, then poured about a half bottle of CLR down the fill tube and let it sit for a couple hours. Even then, it didn't eat through much of it, we still had to fashion some improvised pick tools out of sharpened hair pins and scrape the buildup out of every jet. Two hours of absolute suck-- but hey, my toilet flushes again!
Interesting. Never thought of tape! Also why the fill tube? Isnt that the tall plastic part? Dont I pour it down the big hole at the bottom of the tank?
All ends up the same-- the overflow tube is really just there so the tank doesn't flood in case the float valve gets stuck in the open state. I think it makes more sense to put any cleaning agent down the overflow tube (which does still flow out the jets) because that way you don't have to worry about shutting the water supply off, draining the tank, etc.
Usually the gooseneck on the bottle of toilet cleaner can be angled so that you’re actually spraying up a little bit under the rim. Let the toilet bowl cleaner sit for 10 minutes and then scrub the bowl with a toilet brush. Some brushes will just have a round brush head, like a large bottle brush; others will have a section of stiffer brush pointing back towards the brush handle for cleaning under the rim. Either way, you should be able to maintain a clean bowl.
Be careful with products that go in the reservoir tank - they can degrade the flapper and prevent it from sealing properly, so your toilet tank winds ip constantly cycling (this will contribute noticeably to your water usage). Most of those things, like the little blue bleach pucks, assume that a toilet is being flushed 3x a day or more. If it’s not flushed more regularly, the solution can become corrosive.
ah good to know! thanks ill keep this mind. always good to have more than one tool in the bag
Hi brains trust.
Looking at replacing the toilet in a house we settle on in a couple of weeks. We like the look of the Caroma Luna but have the option of standard or clean flush.
We like the idea of rimless and clean flush but it’s totally foreign to the both of us. Neither of us have even seen one before. Any insights from clean flush owners?
https://www.bunnings.com.au/caroma-wels-4-star-3-5l-min-luna-cleanflush-toilet-suite_p0088812
We have a clean flush toilet at work with the little flap thing that directs the water around... It does do a better job of cleaning the bowl. As an IBS sufferer, that's great. But I have on occasion splattered the damn flap and it doesn't clean itself.
Made me laugh out loud!
We got the standard Luna in our recent reno. The rimless ones look pretty good but went the standard option. It's in a laundry not our main toilet. No big deal.
Not sure if they changed the design, but the rear two rubber bumpers under the seat that are supposed to cushion and contact the bowl did not sit on the bowl at all, so every time you sat down it levered the lid away from the cistern and when you got up the lid would bang against the cistern. It would have cracked that fitting eventually. Really annoying. Got a Caroma guy out to fit slightly taller bumpers which fixed it.
For a reasonably priced against the wall toilet, they're pretty good. Not a particularly comfy seat, but it does the job.
I have one and adore it, they are so so much more hygienic and cleaner and slightly higher which my back issues love
Got one. Would recommend for sure.
Got a Estilo rimless for $149 from Bunnings, great for the price. Cleaning is much easier and even safer as I don't have to crouch to look under the rim. The soft close seat is shit but not damaging, flush power has slightly declined over 3 years but it gets the job done. Overall it's a solid unit, like many I've dropped into it.
This is the way
Getting our bathroom redone next week, had a toilet chosen and manufacturer is unable to source it so need to pick a new one asap. The toilet we wanted is available in rimless - anyone had good/bad experiences with rimless? Our plumber said he doesn't recommend them from his experience, as the flush tends not to be as strong?
I have had a Duravit Durastyle wall hung rimless toilet for a month now.
Very impressed so far, comfortable seating position and nice wide square design. No issues with flushing, i even place the supplied flush flow reducer gasket between the pan and flush pipe.
does it splash outside the toilets?
A strong flush is a good thing. If it doesn't clear skidmarks you're going to need to reach in with a wad of TP and wipe them off. That gets annoying after a while.
Never heard of a toilet brush?
And get it covered in poo? The brush is just for scrubbing the procelain during a weekly clean, it's not for dislodging skidmarks. Poo on a toilet brush will stink out the bathroom
I've got a crosswater wall hung one (from drench.co.um). The flush was so strong I had to fit a baffle. Once that was fitted worked perfectly. If I was to fault it, then it does sometimes splash a bit.
Easier to clean, (well so I'm told) when I do the ensuite I'm fitting the same again.
I'd suggest not a good idea to cheap out though.
I agree with your plumber, I'm also a plumber and think there a gimmick.
Thanks for your reply! Why do you say that? Have you had customers have bad experiences with them?
Hi,
We tried every kind of product. Is it even possible to clean this without abbreviation of the toilet surface?
It’s where the water comes from, the brownish stuff is not seen from a regular view, but the blue lines. At least I would like to remove the blue lines.
Thanks in advance!
From our apartment maintenance: bleach in water tank. Just a dash.
If you can get them, a magic eraser may take the blue marks off. Just wet it, wring it out and try it.
If not, probably a bit of bleach in the tank like the other commenter said
Wear a glove and use fine sandpaper with water and scrub gently. It will go away and won’t ruin the ceramic
I just cleaned this toilet really good but this part is being extremely stubborn. I've hit it with toilet clorox cleaner first, then BKF, then sos pads ( which under the bubble you can see left a gray residue which any advice on getting rid of that as well) then pumice stone. More elbow grease needed or is there a simpler way???
I’ve used a scotch brite copper scrub pad, might get the job done, will need lots of elbow grease though
What is that build up? Not poo?
Probably minerals from hard water depending on where you live, that’s what was on mine but looked pretty similar, no way poo would stick around like that. If you don’t already have some, get some elbow high rubber gloves and get in there with a scrubber
Vinegar and CLR. Did this recently and it worked like a charm. Let it sit for about an hour.
So vinegar with CLR Aat the same time? Ratio? With water low or doesn't matter? Thx
Yep. I didn’t measure. Just poured it up. Def more vinegar than clr
The water was normal
Pumice stone will often remove these stains without damaging the surface
One stone down. It's coming but very stubborn
Unfortunately laborious, glad it’s working for you.
Looks like it's just rust or flaked off.
One pumice stone down
When a toilet is nice and shiny, it still might not be clean. Especially if that house is full of men, boys, teens, toddlers, and all their guests. This photo shows a toilet that has been in use for 11 months in a home that is cleaned weekly.
Fortunately, modern toilet seats are quick and easy to remove. This may not be something you wish to do weekly, but you’d be surprised how quickly dried urine builds up under the hinge. Before too long there will be a constant smell of urine that you can’t determine the source of.
I am NOT suggesting that a basic cleaning include removal of all toilet seats, but it is an opportunity to add on the service, possibly for a fee. I am providing this info for homeowners as well as cleaners. I hope it is helpful.
I love removable toilet seats. It's so satisfying to be able to clean all that gunk out.
I'm always scared I'm gonna break toilet seats trying to take them off. Do you just pull them right off or what?
There are a couple types that are made for easy release. Don't do anything crazy, but I bet if you give them a close look, you can figure out which ones. Once you figure it out, it's actually easier to take them off than to clean in the seams.
There are usually 2 screws holding it in place. Have to take those off then it should come right off. I recommend watching a YouTube video first with the brand you're working on
Most of them only require a screw driver and a set of channel locks.
Always make sure to discuss with homeowner if you are planning to remove the seats. Be up front and let them know if you haven’t removed that brand before. It’s possible they can show you or you can look at the installation manual.
Instructions vary by manufacturer, and most are probably on YouTube. The new Kohler seats have a little slot on top between the bolt cover and hinge- just pop a flat screwdriver in and give it a gentle twist. Then remove the bolts with a screwdriver. Takes less than five minutes.
There is a dual-flush brand that Costco sells, they are even easier. You just push a button and the seat pops off! Make sure to clean the actual seat hinge before reattaching it to the toilet.
I don't think it should be added on as a few, but may be something to include in a deep cleaning v regular cleaning
Whatever works best for you and your client. Some want a deeper level of clean and are willing to pay for it, others couldn’t care less.
If I can take it off in a couple quick seconds ima do it every time
Yeah maybe for a moveout
I usually just use a toilet bowl cleaner and scrub with a toilet scrubber but it really doesn’t do anything to remove the stains at the very bottom below the water or the stains building up on the sides.
Zep professional grade toilet bowl cleaner and/or a pumice stone
Pumice stone won't wreck the porcelain? I'd like to skip the acid if I can but I'm afraid of scrubbing with anything tougher than a nylon brush.
if a pumice stone is used wet then it won’t damage most surfaces
Zep products work well!!!!!!!
There was another thread about this recently that said to leave citric acid in the water overnight, and when you flush it in the morning, most of it will go away. I bought https://a.co/d/f3uomyc and it worked! I left it overnight, flushed in the morning, and did a little scrubbing with a brush after. It was like new!
I just tried citric acid in my toilet after seeing that thread and it worked perfectly! I will never try another method. I didn’t even have to scrub. I just poured a couple tablespoons of citric acid in my toilet bowl before bed each night for three nights, let it sit overnight, and flushed in the morning. It looks like a brand new toilet!
Before you try anything else try a whole pack of cheap denture cleaner tabs. They work surprisingly well.
Muriatic acid works...scoop out the excess water and pour in. Let sit for several minutes, and be prepared to scrub. ALSO!!!: Wear rubber gloves and long sleeves. A MASK TOO!!!. Best to hold your breath! Then scoop out and put into glass jar with lid. It works!
I’ve been successful with cleaning vinegar over night
lol people acting like supermarket muriatic is like a deadly virus.
Just close your eyes while you pour it and that’s ok. Leave it for a few hours and then flush and scrub. Works every time
Bowl for this issue, and I did separately use it in the tank and it flushed a lot out of there too. Takes a few flushes to really get everything out of the tank
Don't use pumice stones, they may get the stain off now but they also destroy the porcelain (glass like) coating over the white ceramic bowl. They are like teeth, there is a white base and a glass looking thin coating. that glass is what keeps the white part white, scratch that and moisture and bacteria get under it then the toilet will never be clean again.
how to clean rimless toilets?
Cleaning Rimless Toilets: Key Considerations and Steps
Gather Supplies:
Apply Cleaner:
Let it Sit:
Scrub the Bowl:
Clean the Exterior:
Flush:
Regular Maintenance:
Recommendation: Rimless toilets are designed for easier cleaning due to their lack of a rim, which can trap dirt. However, it’s essential to use the right cleaning products and techniques to maintain hygiene and appearance. Avoid harsh chemicals that can damage the toilet’s finish.
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