Flush Strength Concerns
One of the main disadvantages mentioned about rimless toilets is the potential weakness in flush strength. Some plumbers believe that rimless designs are more of a gimmick and may not provide as strong a flush as traditional toilets [1:1]. This can lead to issues with clearing waste effectively, resulting in the need for multiple flushes or manual cleaning
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Splashing Issues
Rimless toilets have been reported to sometimes cause splashing during flushing. While some users have found the flush to be strong enough to require a baffle, others noted occasional splashes outside the toilet bowl [1:3]
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Skid Marks and Cleaning Challenges
Another common issue with rimless toilets is the tendency to leave skid marks due to the design. The lack of a rim can mean that water doesn't cover all areas of the bowl effectively, leading to marks that require manual cleaning [2:10]. Users have expressed frustration with this aspect, noting that it defeats the purpose of having a supposedly easier-to-clean toilet
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Maintenance and Clogging Risks
Some rimless toilets might have fewer rim jets, which can lead to clogging issues if they become blocked [4:2]. This can affect the overall flushing performance and may require regular maintenance to ensure all jets are functioning properly. Additionally, certain cleaning products can damage the toilet's components over time
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Perceived Gimmick
There is a perception among some professionals that rimless toilets are more of a marketing gimmick than a practical improvement [1:1]. While they offer a modern aesthetic and promise easier cleaning, the actual benefits may not outweigh the drawbacks for some users, particularly those who prioritize flush efficiency and minimal maintenance.
Getting our bathroom redone next week, had a toilet chosen and manufacturer is unable to source it so need to pick a new one asap. The toilet we wanted is available in rimless - anyone had good/bad experiences with rimless? Our plumber said he doesn't recommend them from his experience, as the flush tends not to be as strong?
I have had a Duravit Durastyle wall hung rimless toilet for a month now.
Very impressed so far, comfortable seating position and nice wide square design. No issues with flushing, i even place the supplied flush flow reducer gasket between the pan and flush pipe.
does it splash outside the toilets?
I've got a crosswater wall hung one (from drench.co.um). The flush was so strong I had to fit a baffle. Once that was fitted worked perfectly. If I was to fault it, then it does sometimes splash a bit.
Easier to clean, (well so I'm told) when I do the ensuite I'm fitting the same again.
I'd suggest not a good idea to cheap out though.
A strong flush is a good thing. If it doesn't clear skidmarks you're going to need to reach in with a wad of TP and wipe them off. That gets annoying after a while.
Never heard of a toilet brush?
And get it covered in poo? The brush is just for scrubbing the procelain during a weekly clean, it's not for dislodging skidmarks. Poo on a toilet brush will stink out the bathroom
I agree with your plumber, I'm also a plumber and think there a gimmick.
Thanks for your reply! Why do you say that? Have you had customers have bad experiences with them?
Some toilets I swear you only need to make eye contact with and you’ll leave a skid mark. What is it with those toilets that have like a shallow pool/rim before the drop off into the u-bend further along? That’s game over, get the toilet brush on hand. It doesn’t matter how solid your poo is.
Then you get the glorious plunge-pool type toilets that survive the worst horrors you can throw at it.
Can we privatise toilet design?
I have never understood why non stick technology never found its way into the toilet sector.
I doubt the coating would survive being submerged in bleach and toilet cleaner for years
In my toilet the pool is wider than the exit to the u-bend so my turds have a habit of sitting sideways and getting stuck wh we re no amount of flushes will budge them. I'm considering getting a poop knife.
I used to have that issue in a flat I lived in years ago. I got an old screwdriver and dubbed it “The Poo Driver” for that exact purpose.
I’m in a new build, toilet is like that. It then takes one flush for most of the solids, another flush to get rid of the last of the paper and a third flush for the loo brush.
Pretty sure it’s meant to save water…
We have one of those 'water saving' flushes, also a new build. Every time I go to the loo it warrants at least a second flush! Absolutely defeats the point.
My in laws' toilet has the water bit at the front of the toilet and not the back, so you're always shitting on dry porcelain.
I'm now in the habit of stuffing wads of toilet paper underneath before doing the deed.
Yes this exactly with my in laws. Lived with them for a couple of years and always had to lay loo roll down before my morning number 2.
FIL helped do up our house and when replacing the loo kept wanting to buy the same one as his. No thank you.
Ugh but then the smell when it doesn’t actually get into the water 🤮
Mother in law doesn’t have one because it’s “unsightly” well I can think of one thing far more unsightly
Strange things happen when turdling round the twist.
I bet that's just a made up excuse for a bad design, there's nothing stopping you examining your poo when it's submerged in water and more importantly who the fuck examines their poo in the first place, now or ever?
Everytime I sit on these types of toilets I am irrationally scared of whether the ceramic bowl will split in half because your entire weight is applied on the side away from the wall.
As a result, I end up having a sub-par experience on the throne. What are the theoretical maximum limits of the weight of a person sitting on such a toilet? Are these toilets engineered to prevent cracking in half?
Please help me overcome my fear so that I may take a dump in peace.
If it makes you feel safer, I've never seen such a toilet break in my life. The toilet stands on the floor. You just don't see it, because it's standing part is in the wall. And that support is made of steel, so very powerful to take a minimum of 400lbs (180kg) and some go as high as 900lbs (400kg).
I'd say if you weigh below 400lbs, there are no reasons at all to think about breaking the toilets.
That makes a lot of sense actually, I guess I never thought of it having internal support inside the wall because it really just looks like its been glued to the wall from the outside. Thanks, this really helped.
Google image search "toilet carrier". Wall hung toilets are mounted to massive steel support brackets that are bolted to the floor. They're not going anywhere.
There's a weight limit on those things, but nobody reads.
Find another place to shit. 💩🤣
If it makes you feel safer, I wouldn’t feel safe using those either.
Hell nah.
With proper installation “Most models can hold between 300 and 500 pounds”.
If they were prone to damage from sitting on them, they wouldn’t be used because of lawsuits that would have been brought by people injured or traumatized by toilet failures.
So get over your fears!
Thanks, this really helped
I've been having trouble with the toilet in my new place, which isn't clogged but doesn't successfully flush down toilet paper on the first try. It's emptying the entire cistern into the bowl fine, but the water seems to come from only the back of the bowl really, and I wonder if the angle of where the water is coming from is the problem (rather than insufficient pressure from the water). From searching online I've seen that that can be caused by blocked rim jets but I can't seem to find more than five rim jets mostly at the back of the bowl with a mirror, though the angle isn't great so I'm not certain.
Do some older toilets only have holes at the back and partly round the side, or are there completely clogged rim jets round the front I'm not seeing? If so, is the lack of more jets likely the cause of the weak flush and therefore it's just unfixable?
Video attached in case useful. Thanks so much to anyone who can offer an answer!
Bowl jets are clogged,CLR maybe ( calcium,lime and rust)
I don't get why this comment was downvoted when someone else suggested the same thing and they're being upvoted.
I honestly think you have a partial clog in that line pour a 5 gallon bucket of water and see how it drains.
Bucket drains fine and flushes things fine, and without raising the water level so I was hoping that was fine. Overall a lot of the responses are kind of contradictory, some people are saying the visible jet holes are the only ones that exist but they're clogged and some people are saying the visible jet holes are having to pump out /too much water/ cause other holes I can't see are completely clogged.
Might want to stop with the blue stuff in the tank, hard on flush componants.
Will do, one of about a hundred different methods I tried to see if it would make a difference but no visible effect so.
Mirror? Just stick your head in there and take a look.
That’s a technique I haven’t seen since I was at school.
Haven’t been “forced” to see right?
I think we all know the answer to what he’s gonna see you evil bastard.
The blue water sure looks pretty doesn’t it🤔Too bad it is going to destroy all the rubber seals inside that tank
Local tradesman has posted on the local FB group about the "amazing" bathroom transformations he's finished in the last fortnight.
These are the "completed" pictures. So you do a full rip out but can't avoid putting toilets on ridiculous (and injury inducing) plinths. Not to mention a pipe boxing that leaves the back of the cistern completely unsupported (should be fixed to wall) that will take one trip and it's ripped off.
Oh, and also seems to have needed to chip out (with a hammer I assume) the newly plastered wall to fit the all-in-one basin unit and just left it for the homeowner to fill.
On the plus side, I hope the post works as a wonderful warning to the town but I genuinely feel sorry for whoever has parted with hard earned money for this monstrosity.
My assumption is that they couldn't be arsed to reposition the waste pipe so to avoid fighting gravity every time you flush they've had the genius idea of sitting the toilets on diabolically sized and dangerous mini plinths.
To be fair- moving a waste pipe is a much bigger job. As a DIYer this would be my approach rather than leaving shitty water in the waste pipe ! A professional might have asked the customer if they wanted to pay to move the waste pipe & got a no….
No; installing toilets on plinths is often used to raise the level of the bowl for the elderly, disabled or those with mobility concerns who may otherwise struggle to use a normal height toilet.
While you can get “high” toilets, there isn’t as wide a choice of styles.
My judgement here is that while it looks weird, not knowing the full story I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss this as shoddy work.
That’s gonna give the tiler a head scratcher 😂
God knows how he's going to get round the back of the basin tap!
Also assuming that the tap is a push lever, good luck getting it to lift up as the back looks like it’ll just foul the wall
No need to worry about that! He can chisel out the wall behind it to make a cave
There's an outside chance it was done for mobility reasons. Similar was done for my ex's dad as, being a typical old farmer, he had knackered hips and knees and couldn't use a standard height pan without difficulty getting back up. He was also too tight fisted (did I mention he was a bloody typical farmer?) to pay for anything other than a standard one 🤦♂️
Edit: the second one, anyway... first one is kinda weirder.
That second one is a burned knee waiting to happen. I’ve seen so many towel rads too close to toilets. Are there really grown adults doing this work who have never used a toilet before??
Yep, with one foot higher than the other. Will be uncomfortable dumps for sure
A throne should be elevated
Could be the height of the seat is so your body is in a position to sh!t a little easier?
Two of the bathrooms in our home were done like this before we moved in. There’s nothing wrong with the toilets now but the first time we have an issue we’re going to have break the tile I imagine (well done whoever did this). How can we get ahead of it and what design makes sense?
When we put in our concealed cistern we put in soft joints that can be easily raked out to get to it - surely that's been done here? Some cisterns can be remote from the pushplate though probably not here.
I'd leave it as is until you do need access. It may be far enough down the line where you fancy some new tiles anyway.
Quite common. You'd like to think access is thought about beforehand. If it backs onto an internal wall, access can be gained from behind without having to damage tiles etc. Or it can grouted with a softer grout that's easier to remove. I'd like to think the owner was informed (or knew) the consequences of a concealed cistern if they ever needed access and decided the aesthetics were worth it.
You can get toilet cisterns that you can service through the push button assembly. Get a well known make, so when you need spares they’re easy to come by
Yes, we have two Grohe ones that have ample access through the flush button
This would still require breaking the tile first to see I imagine? Or is there an obvious way to see if this is one of those? Surely the builder or whoever did this realized this was a terrible decision before doing it?
Yes you would have to break the tile out to do this work. But tbh I wouldn’t worry about it till it happens
Oh it gets even better. You most likely have zero access to any of the plumbing in the bathrooms and when you need to do anything you have to shut off the water to the whole house . Because only the mains have a stopcock ( shut off valve )!
Normally these kinds of toilets (wherein the cistern is hidden in tiles) are serviceable via a large flush plate that's built into one of the tiles (and not a small flush button.) It may be possible to replace this with a flush plate in it's current position but you're looking at losing a tile or two at least, so they'll need to be replaced.
I honestly cant believe you want to change it to close coupled - it looks so nice!
Leaning tower of bogroll IS the picture!
I'd much rather look up and see that than a Picasso print when I need to wipe...
Total guess, but how's the shelf your bogroll sits on looking? Maybe they left that as the entry point for servicing?
If not, id maybe start there as you could replace it with a different shelf surface and not fuck up the entire wall.
Either my toilets are horrible or my family needs a change in diet.
Sometimes it's the tp, sometimes the person, sometimes the toilet. American standard champion. 28? Golf balls,one flush. All in all look for
I second the tp. Some toilets just can't handle the cushier, several-ply stuff. Esp. if you have folks in the house that use a lot at once.
Kids? Not unlikely there is something in the trap that catches paper etc and builds up until you have a clog. A pencil is a classic and no way to remove unless you pull the toilet
possible, but unlikely with all 3 toilets. Also, my kids are 15 and 12 so unlikely for them to get into that kind of trouble.
it actually was my wife who dropped a pencil in at my house : )
Toto is pretty much the highest rated toilet
I had similar issues a while ago. We took the toilet up to replace the flooring and noticed leakage. I replaced the wax ring with a new all plastic/rubber one that promised a better seal. Immediately the problem toilet became a clogless toilet. Just a thought.
If you decide to replace it, the American Standard Champion 4 we installed in a different bathroom a few years ago can gobble anything and everything.
Thanks, yeah, I've already replaced the rings on all 3.
> American Standard Champion 4
This is a very good toilet.
How old are your toilets?
Old toilets used a lot of water and did a pretty good job. In the '90s they passed regulations limiting how much water toilets can use. Toilets made then were awful. Recently the manufactures have figured out how to make toilets flush better than the old ones that used a bunch of water. If your toilet is older then 10 years old, replace it.
This guy sells toilets.
gonna second this toilet. We installed one in our master bath when we bought our house and it's been our favorite toilet ever.
When we bought our house we needed to replace the toilet. I kept seeing the Champion 4 recommend on Reddit and I was wondering how good could a toilet possibly be?
I'll be damned if don't love that toilet. 1.28 gallons/flush and not a single clog.
Gonna 3rd this toilet...although it is called the American Standard Champion Max 4. It used to be advertised as being able to flush an entire bucket of golf balls in one flush. Also, you will have a choice between a rounded and an elongated bowl. Price should be around $200 at Home Depot.
Wow you may need some Raisin Bran in your home!
I will start, automatically flushing toilets that flush when you sit, then flush when you lean forward to wipe because it is on a sensor.
Doesn’t save water and is not hygienic when toilet water is splashing onto your downstairs!!!
Stairs/walkways that are clear. It tells me that absolutely no one making those decisions has worn a skirt.
Any sort of technology that gets pitched that uses face recognition.
So glad I haven’t come across any clear stairs but yes that is just poor planning!
Yes. Saw those installed at a call centre which largely employed young people. They had to cordon off the area under the stairs to prevent young perverts gaping.
People that build clear stairs have zero understanding of the human brain and how vision, spatial awareness or balance works.
what’s wrong with face recognition?
You can get them in smaller size though, isn't that approximately the same size as phones used to be?
In my first apartment, the ceramic lid on the back of the toilet broke so we had to keep it lidless. Then the refill mechanism broke so that when you flushed, the water shot up out of the lidless tank like a geyser unless you put your thumb on it. Whenever people visited, you would hear screams front the bathroom whenever anyone flushed without standing up first.
People... Flush while sitting?
My only assumption is... heavy duty and strong smell? Idk...
It's a feature, not a bug!
Loool that sounds entertaining 😅
Truly the ugliest invention of all time. Nothing could make me put that trashy shit on my vehicle
Modern toilets are badly designed and allow full on droplets of pp to splash everywhere nearby when peeing.
If you’re a man and you take a leak standing up, anything in a quarter meter radius - including your own feet and shins, the toilet paper roll even... etc. - you may not know but droplets get ALL over them. Whole droplets, not particles!
To women that live with men: do not store anything next to a toilet.
If you don’t believe me, take the cardboard center of a toilet roll and place it to the side of your toilet on the floor and take a piss. What you’ll see is the cardboard saturate with little circles all over.
Edit: to clarify, your aim won’t make a difference. Repeat my experiment and you will be forever disgusted thereafter. Apologies in advance!
Just sit yo ass down, it's healthier anyway
That's how I always do it. Problem is that like once every 2 months the stream goes exactly between the seat and lid and I up with wet trousers
That was going to be my other unpopular opinion, as well as that you should always flush with the lid down - but this post implies both I hope
Yea, I always flush with the lid down. When you flush, tons of piss particles fly up in the air, I dont want that touching my toothbrush etc
Also, there should be a way to clean your asshole after you take a shit like they have in every toilet in Thailand that I visited.
You can get a bidet attachment for any toilet. They’re cheap and simple. I have one and I’ve noticed they’re becoming more popular.
They are also the wrong height
Wrong height for you maybe, but that depends entirely on your own hight.
Nope, it’s actually about biology, not an individuals height. Humans are meant to excrete in a squatting position, not a sitting one
Have you heard of aiming? My ex had a buddy who had a very small dick. He had to sit down to pee other wise he couldn't find it and it would go everywhere.
So I’m not a professional plumber, so this might be a stupid question, but I’ve done plenty of my own small plumbing projects as a landlord, and always wondered this: so the bottom of the toilet is flat, if it’s sitting on the ground right? And then the toilet flange sits pretty much flat with the floor right? And then you’ve got the wax ring in between them that the toilet smooshes down to prevent leaks.
But I’ve seen it so many times where the wax ring doesn’t seal so there’s a leak and it needs to be reset.
My question: why not just build a ceramic part of the toilet that goes inside of the drain line, like 4 or 5 inches down into (inside) the drain line in the floor, down past the flange. And also they could just build like a rubber compression onto the toilet as well, at the base of where the wax ring theoretically sits anyway, just skip the wax ring and the mess, and I assume have less leaking toilets at the base.
I also assume since this is never been done, there’s some good reason, so I’m just curious. If it hasn’t, however, someone just hit me up and I’ll draw a diagram of what I’m thinking for the patent on this revolutionary non leaking toilet system. Thanks for any thoughts or input.
Siphon suction would occur if you did it that way.
Can you elaborate on that for me please?
what are the disadvantages of rimless toilets?
Disadvantages of Rimless Toilets:
Splashing: Rimless toilets can sometimes cause more splashing due to the open design, which may lead to messier clean-up.
Water Efficiency: Some rimless models may use more water per flush compared to traditional rimmed toilets, potentially impacting water efficiency.
Cleaning Challenges: While rimless toilets are easier to clean in some respects, the lack of a rim can lead to more visible stains and require more frequent cleaning.
Noise Level: The flushing mechanism in some rimless toilets can be noisier than traditional models, which might be a concern for some users.
Cost: Rimless toilets can be more expensive than standard rimmed toilets, both in terms of initial purchase and installation.
Limited Options: There may be fewer design and style options available for rimless toilets compared to traditional models, which could limit your choices.
Recommendation: If you prioritize aesthetics and ease of cleaning, a rimless toilet may still be a good option despite these disadvantages. However, consider your specific needs and preferences, especially regarding water efficiency and noise levels, before making a decision.
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