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How to Start a Wine Collection

TL;DR Begin by exploring different wines to understand your preferences, invest in proper storage, and gradually build your collection with wines you enjoy or those that might appreciate in value.

Exploring Your Preferences

The first step in starting a wine collection is to explore your own tastes. Attend wine tastings and try various types of wines to understand what you like [1:2]. Buying multiple bottles of the same wine can help you decide if it's worth keeping for the long term [1:3], [2:2]. It's important not to buy solely based on recommendations but rather focus on what appeals to your palate [4:2].

Building a Balanced Collection

When building your collection, consider buying a mix of wines for immediate consumption and those that can be aged [4:4]. Some collectors recommend having "cellar defenders," which are less expensive wines meant for regular drinking, so you're not tempted to open age-worthy bottles prematurely [3:1], [2:3]. A balanced collection might include wines from various regions, such as Bordeaux, Burgundy, Tuscany, and California [2:1], [2:4].

Proper Storage

Investing in proper storage is crucial for maintaining the quality of your wine collection. A wine fridge or cellar can help ensure optimal conditions for aging [2]. If you plan to expand your collection significantly, consider offsite storage options to manage space and maintain ideal conditions [3:3]. Avoid accumulating more than you can store properly, as improper storage can lead to spoilage [4:3].

Education and Investment

Educating yourself about wine can enhance your collecting experience. Consider taking courses like WSET Level 2 and Level 3 to gain a solid foundation [5:1]. For those interested in investing, it's essential to understand which wines appreciate in value and how to store them appropriately [3:4]. However, many collectors focus on enjoyment rather than investment [4:7].

Community and Resources

Engaging with the wine community can provide valuable insights and recommendations. Visit local bottle shops and talk to staff about your preferences and budget [1:5]. Utilize resources like tech sheets from importers and distributors to learn more about farming and production methods [5:11]. Books like "Wine Grapes" by Robinson, Harding, and Vouillamoz can also serve as excellent references [5:3].

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How to start a wine collection? And what to know, and what to do?

Posted by EggandPancakes · in r/wine · 3 years ago
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Hey guys John here. Just recently started getting into the wine world. I want to start a wine collection, but don’t know what steps to take to start (other then buying wine).

How do I know what bottles to buy? How do I know what bottles to hold on to? What bottles should I wait to open?

Basically where can I get more knowledge on this??

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earnNburn · 3 years ago

Go to tastings, try as much wine as possible in order to understand what you like. In my experience starting a collection is something that comes very natural as you get into wine, there's no need to "skip steps". Don't buy for the sake of buying, either buy what you like (but don't buy too much of a given type if you still haven't formed your palate, otherwise you might end up with loads of wine that in 3 years time you won't like anymore) or buy what you believe will gain value (assuming you want to collect wine as an investment).

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Lenkradl · 3 years ago

my personal rule is that i never buy a single bottle of wine that i plan to take in my collection. I always buy at least 3 of them, so i can drink one immediately and then i decide what to do with the others left. I also dislike having solo bottles because then i always think its the only one left and i dont wanna open it.

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latorredibabele · 3 years ago

I second this!

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1danishpastry · 3 years ago

I found this 36-bottle cellar starter in a very old book called “New Encyclopedia of Wines and Spirits” written by Alex Lichine in 1978. It’s a bit old fashioned (esp. the ‘inexpensive’ wines, you can do a lot better by not staying in France) but I think it’s a great starting point - let me know if you agree 😉

  • 4 bottles of rose, the all-purpose pink wine, to be served chilled. Choose a Tavel, Provence, Anjou, or California rose—not more than three years old.
  • 4 bottles of red Burgundy, inexpensive: Macon, Beaujolais, Moulin-a-Vent, Fleurie—less than two or three years old.
  • 3 bottles of red Burgundy: Pommard, Nuits-Saint- Georges, Vosne-Romanee, Clos de Vougeot, Chambolle- Musigny, Beaune, Volnay, Chamberlin, less than ten years old.
  • 4 bottles of white Burgundy: Chablis, Chassagne-Montrachet, Meursault, Pouilly-Fuisse, or Puligny-Montrachet, each preferably bearing a vineyard name in addition to that of the parish—such as Les Preuses, Blanchots, Vaudesir, Les Clos, Vaillon, Fourchaume, or Montee de Tonnerre for the wines of Chablis; Les Perrieres, Blagny, or La Goutte d'Or for Meursault; Les Pucelles, Les Combettes, or Les Chalumeaux for Puligny-Montrachet. Vintages: less than five years old.
  • 2 bottles of red Bordeaux: a shipper's bottling of Saint-Emilion, Saint-Estephe, Saint-Julien, or Margaux, or preferably an inexpensive chateau-bottled Clairet from one of the Cru Bourgeois.
  • 3 bottles of chateau-bottled red Bordeaux (for great occasions): Beychevelle, Cheval-Blanc, Calon-Segur, Cos d'Estournel, Haut-Brion, Lafite, Lascombes, Latour, one of the three Leovilles, Margaux, Mouton-Rothschild, Palmer, Pichon-Longueville, Prieure-Lichine or Talbot. Any good vintage of the last 20 years.
  • 2 bottles of red Italian wine such as Barolo, Valpolicella, or Chianti.
  • 3 bottles of white Italian wine: Verdicchio or Soave.
  • 2 bottles of Spanish red Rioja wine from a good wine, such as Bodegas Bilbainos, Bodegas Marques de Riscal, or Bodegas Marques de Murrietta.
  • 1 bottle of Spanish white Rioja Tarragona.
  • 1 bottle of sweet wine—Barsac or Sauternes, either from a shipper or, preferably, a château-bottled wine such as Climens, Coutet, Filhot, Guiraud, La Tour-Blanche, Rabaud, or the very expensive Château d'Yquem. Vintages: less than ten years old.
  • 2 bottles of young Rhine wines (less than five years old): Hattenheimer, Hochheimer, Niersteiner,Riidesheimer, Schloss Johannisberger, Schloss Vollrads. Wines bottled by the grower at the estate are indicated in Germany on the label with the words Erzeugerabfiillung or auseigenem Lesegut. These are preferable. A vineyard name in addition to that of the district is likewise desirable. Labels often have the word Auslese (selected) or Spatlese (late-picking) after the name of the wine. These are usually sweeter. Avoid Liebfraumilch—the use of this name has been limited by the 1971 West German Wine Law, but there are many other, better German wines.
  • 1 bottle of young Mosel wine less than five years old such as Bernkasteler, Wehlener, or Zeltinger.
  • 1 bottle of Loire Valley wine, such as Pouilly-Fume, Sancerre, Saumur, or Vouvray—not more than seven years old.
  • 1 bottle of dry white Bordeaux from the Graves district, either from a good shipper (in which case the price should not be high) or a château-bottled Graves such as Domaine de Chevalier, Couhins, Haut-Brion Blanc, Carbonnieux, La Tour-Martillac, Olivier, or Laville-Haut-Brion.
  • 2 bottles of Alsatian wine, such as Riesling or Gewurztraminer—less than four years old.
  • In the United States, the wines from the Mosel, the Loire, Graves, and Alsace could be omitted and the other selections limited to 18-20 bottles. Substitute:
  • 8 bottles of red varietal wine from California, including Cabernet Sauvignon, Pinot Noir, and Zinfandel. The best wines come from the North Coast counties of Napa, Sonoma, Mendocino, and Monterey. A few of the bottles might be from reliable producers in New York or other eastern states.
  • 8 bottles United States dry white wine from California, New York, Ohio,leor Washington. The best ones carry the grape variety names. Look for Pinot, Chardonnay, Chenin Blanc, Semillon, Johannisberg Riesling, Sauvignon Blanc, Traminer, or Delaware. If vintage-dated, the wines should not be more than a few years old.
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queencityrangers · 3 years ago

Thanks! This is awesome info on what to stock, I don’t have that much space but I figure I can scale it down

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hey-its-rach-- · 3 years ago

If there's a bottle shop in your area, I'd recommend starting there. Chat with the owner/staff about how many bottles you're looking to get, how much you want to spend, what types of wine,etc. and they can help guide you.

At the end of the day, you should buy what you like. The wine shop I work for does a lot of "cellar building", and can easily send you home with a mixed case of everyday drinkers and wines to cellar for 5,10,20+ years, but there's no point in putting the time into properly maturing a Barolo or Cabernet Sauvignon if you wont enjoy it when it's time to open it.

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CondorKhan · 3 years ago

>but don’t know what steps to take to start (other then buying wine).

That's all you need to do.

Buy the wine you like to drink faster than you can drink it. Suddenly you have a collection.

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Started my collection today

Posted by LOUDNOIS3S · in r/wine · 8 months ago
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Bought a wine fridge so I can start storing some wines long term. Came away with these bottles to start off my collection. Started with my favorite regions, let’s see how long this takes to get out of control…

Also taking suggestions!

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Own_Ad5187 · 8 months ago

I like to buy at least 3-4 bottles of a style I like, even if it means a less expensive bottle. Try one immediately then drink them over the years

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FatherEsmoquin · 8 months ago

Get some cellar defenders

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LOUDNOIS3S · OP · 8 months ago

I usually just go out and buy one when I want to drink a bottle. I don’t drink that often, so hopefully won’t have any problems laying off these for a while.

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Backpacker7385 · 8 months ago

Cellar defenders aren’t there for when you want a bottle (though they can be used for that if the occasion or company doesn’t warrant a $$ bottle), they’re for when you want a second bottle, or a third, or fourth, at a lively dinner that’s already featured a few nice bottles but when nobody will appreciate the fancy stuff anymore.

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Hans_Landas_Strudel · 8 months ago

Great start. Warning, wine collecting may be habit forming and cause teeth to turn purple. It’s not too late to turn back.

When I started I got the Bordeaux bug and then as my experience and palate broadened I expanded to other areas. Are you looking to broaden within a particular area or do you want more coverage of fine wine growing regions not represented here? Because if it’s the latter your remaining obvious holes are Northern and Southern Rhône, Spain, Brunello, Champagne, California Cabs and German Riesling, and Sauternes and Vintage Port on the sweet side.

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LOUDNOIS3S · OP · 8 months ago

I’ll probably add some Rioja, brunello, and Cali Cabs sooner rather than later. But for now I’m more focused on Piedmont, Tuscany (Chianti Classico is next up), Bordeaux, and Burgundy.

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metrohash · 8 months ago

If you’re focusing on Tuscany soon then you should definitely be hitting Brunello. It’s made from Sangiovese just like Chianti but comes from a smaller area a little south that has stricter aging requirements. I’d consider it the king of Tuscan wines with the little experience I’ve had with it.

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AustraliaWineDude · 8 months ago

Have you tried these wines with some age on them? I always find it a little crazy to commit to long term storage for a wine I haven’t tried or a style I’m not familiar with yet. Not saying is the case here, I’m not sure what you’re experience is, but something I see some newbies doing haha

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LOUDNOIS3S · OP · 8 months ago

Had most of them young. Hard to get aged wine here unfortunately.

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Rallerboy888 · 8 months ago

Solid start! But why no white wines?

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LOUDNOIS3S · OP · 8 months ago

Not yet… someday.

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Rallerboy888 · 8 months ago

I highly recommend buying some sweet and off-dry German Riesling. You’ll be happy to have them in 5-10-20 years.

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Beginning to build a wine collection. How do you buy?

Posted by CuriousernCurioser · in r/wine · 3 years ago

I imagine this varies depending on budget. I’ve been buying 3 bottles of what I like so I can drink it over time. But most is new vintages that I don’t want to drink for a few years. How do you manage this?

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DrunkDuffman · 3 years ago

If you wanna build a large collection relatively quickly see if any of the wine distribution companies in your area do dock sales. For me in Oregon i can go up to Portland and its a 2 case minimum and i can buy at wholesale

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LilOpieCunningham · 3 years ago

On top of the other advice here, I'd recommend figuring out storage as soon as you can. Home storage options abound, but your average wine cooler isn't really optimal for storing over a period of years, and you'll rapidly run out of space. If you're fortunate enough to have offsite storage available it's a great option because any reputable storage facility will keep your wine at optimal cellar conditions, but you also have to factor in rising 'overhead' cost as your cellar grows.

Decide whether or not you want to 'invest' and what makes wines investment-worthy, even if the whole point of 'investing' is to sell some wine to buy more wine.

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CuriousernCurioser · OP · 3 years ago

I want to look at my wine collection so I’m planning to build a proper cellar.

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UndeadHorrors · 2 years ago

Most of the wines I have in my personal cellar at home are just ones I ended up picking up here or there that I haven’t drank yet. Honestly, I didn’t put a whole lot of thought into it; I just buy what I’m interested in when I get interested in it. I do also own some additional wines that are stored in other facilities, but these are part of my investments with Vinovest. I have no intention of drinking those wines; I am just holding them while they accrue value so I can sell them years from now at a profit. If you ever decide to do something like that, I suggest using a company like Vinovest instead of doing it on your own; it’s way easier.

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Gooner-Squad · 3 years ago

I started buying 4 of each. Drink 1, cellar 3 or sell them off if I don't like them.

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NWisthebest · 3 years ago

Buy what you like at a faster rate than you drink it. Before you know it you'll have hundreds of bottles and nowhere to store them all. Keep a stash of cellar defenders on hand (i.e., less expensive drink now wines), so you aren't tempted to open anything too early because all you have are higher-priced age-worthy bottles. Conversely, don't be shy to open a nice bottle on a random Tuesday simply because it's in its drinking window and/or it goes perfectly with what you're eating. It's devastating to open a bottle that's been held too long waiting for that "special occasion."

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jefitopapito · 3 years ago

“Cellar defender” will replace “drinker” in my vocabulary going forward. Thank you!

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Starting a wine collection

Posted by _Hydrone_ · in r/wine · 2 years ago

I'm 21 years old and want to start a wine collection. I'm planning on buying a bottle every month or two (I'm still a student), mostly bottles that I can save and would want to open later but also some that i can drink immediately. My budget is around 20-30 euro.

My question(s):

- What are some interesting wines (no specific region) that I should get that i can open later?

- What are some very good wines in terms of quality/price that I can open immediately?

- Do I split my budget and buy like 2 cheaper wines or do I buy 1 good bottle?

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itgooddeal · 2 years ago

Imo you want to start a collection when you know what your taste is like. Get familiair with the variety of grape and just start buying stuff you like. The collection will start forming itself.

Im not sure what to tell you otherwise I mean, you are 21. There is no use to start collecting bottles because someone tells you those are the bottles to collect.

For example: Riesling can age great. So you could start buying 2019 rieslings from the Alsace for the future, but what if you dont even like Riesling?

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_Hydrone_ · OP · 2 years ago

Mhm yea you are right, I will just start buying and stop overthinking then;

Thanks!

PS: I like Riesling ;)

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itgooddeal · 2 years ago

Happy to help! Enjoy the journey

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grapemike · 2 years ago

Don’t go over two cases until you have proper long term storage. Don’t EVER go beyond 400 bottles total. Been there, done that, and dropping numbers with great intention at this point. Every year brings new exposure to more chateaux and more regions and the “arms race” never ends. Imagine the locked, special display section at Total Wine. Now, think fifty times that. That is how crazy friends have gone overboard. A couple maxims to live by: if it is too great to open just because, open it; if you are drinking over-the-hill bottlings, stop acquiring. Label worship is different from label respect…no untouchable bottles!

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Dan_inKuwait · 2 years ago

My question: where are you storing this wine? Do you have a properly cooled/humidified cellar?

If not, just enjoy your wines now.

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_Hydrone_ · OP · 2 years ago

I have some places where I could store them but I don't have a proper cellar/wine fridge.

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HFGonas · 2 years ago

Also, are you buying for drinking or for investing? If for investing you probably would need to save those 20-30 euros for some months before purchasing anything

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_Hydrone_ · OP · 2 years ago

Its not for investing, I just want to build a collection :)

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CondorKhan · 2 years ago

Figure out what you like and buy that!

I didn't choose to have a wine collection, it just happened.

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What is something you would have wanted to know when you started getting serious with wine?

Posted by Jumpy-Hamlet · in r/wine · 13 days ago

As the title states, what is something you would have wanted to know in advance when you first started getting serious with wine?

The fact that it's not a cheap hobby doesn't count

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Ireallydontknowmans · 12 days ago

I feel that one, in the first 2-3 years I legit bought wine every month. I quickly had over 300 bottles without even drinking much of it. Now I just drink a bit before I buy more and then buy stuff that cost a bit more but interest me

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sercialinho · 13 days ago
  • Don't even think of doing it alone - unless you live in the middle of nowhere or struggle being around people. Learning how to engage with your chemical senses requires learning from others.
  • Education early on is good - do WSET L2 and L3 or equivalent, in person, asap: beyond giving you a solid foundation it helps you form one or more useful tasting groups.
  • Write good notes, best in a digital format. Revisit them from time to time and reflect on them.
  • Go broad before you go deep. Much of the beauty of wine is in its diversity.
  • Taste blind, without prejudice, as much as possible.
  • Be prepared to change your mind and to admit being wrong. A lot.
  • "Why?" matters much more than "What?".
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beetbanshee · 13 days ago

Hey this is a great comment, 'go broad before you go deep' and I'm happy to hear it. That's pretty much what I do, and try to taste as many different styles and grapes as possible from all over the place :) is there any hidden gems you might recommend?

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sercialinho · 13 days ago

One's hidden gem is another's daily drinker: I won't make any assumptions. If you have any specific questions, however, go right ahead!

But I do have a more general tip, though likewise one you might already be following. Get a copy of Wine Grapes by Robinson, Harding and Vouillamoz. I prefer my e-copy because it doesn't weigh 3kg and I often reach for it outside of home - and because it's machine-searchable. While I could really do with a new and updated edition, it's a tremendous reference work and I doubt there's been a single week in the past decade I hadn't opened it. The synonyms' section is truly invaluable and with most minor grapes there's a list of reliable producers as well.

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Jumpy-Hamlet · OP · 13 days ago

All good tips! Especially, the "why" matters much more than the "what," but sometimes it is hard to get precise answers to the why. You got any suggestions? maybe something a bit scientific?

Anyways I was thinking of starting my education with the WSET L2

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hollowspryte · 13 days ago

WSET will do a lot to help you start to understand the “why.” Other than that, tech sheets are a good start to get used to thinking about farming and production methods while you’re drinking the wine. The connections might not jump out at you immediately, but over time it’ll start to make some sense. Good tech sheets are often available on importer/distributor websites, sometimes on producers websites as well. I tend to take most info on specific bottles from outside of those sources with a grain of salt.

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Steamed-Hams · 13 days ago

I loaded up my storage (I have room for about 150 bottles) with young wines that need age thinking it would be fun to have them to age over time. Now I wish I had the space and am happy to spend extra for things that are ready to drink now. Probably pretty common.

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HickoryHollow · 13 days ago

I buy wine mostly on sale, closeouts. Inexpensive. I usually have about 150 bottles in the basement northeast corner. When folks visit, I always open at least two bottles. It’s always a tasting. I’m leaning more to non-USA wines with less additives. I like all types. One standout available mostly at Trader Joes. KONO Sauvignon Blanc from New Zealand. Wow!! Prosit!

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SixofClubs6 · 13 days ago

When you find a wine you really like, at a price you really like, buy as many as you can/find because chances are the next vintage will not be the same.

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DariusKingK · 13 days ago

... But then your palate develope and no longer like that style of wine. Maybe just me but I have about 30 bottles that I only open for the guests but never for myself. 🫠

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not__a__consultant · 13 days ago

This is deeply true and even more so for folks who are new to working in the industry. There’s always going to be grail bottles that you missed out on trying, always going to be new restaurants opening, always going to be lots of trade events. You can’t do and taste everything and palate fatigue is real.

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JJxiv15 · 13 days ago

Yes! This was an early mistake of mine, too. Wasn't until I started reading about what should be aged, how it aged, how long it could age that I started being way more judicious. Ended up with some real stinkers, a lot of oxidized wines, lol. Tertiary notes and/or maderization aren't for everyone!

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Posted by 0Boomhauer0 · in r/wine · 3 months ago

Hello everyone! I’ve been diving headfirst into discovering the complexity and flavor wine. I’ve been enjoying myself so far but I’m definitely a beginner. I’ve discovered that I really enjoy Pinot noir (especially with a good cigar) but I’m very interest in collecting wine and aging it myself but I’m not really sure where to begin. Any pointers?

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butcher42 · 3 months ago

Depending on the budget, when I started, I didn't want to spend too much on it, but knew the importance of temperature control, which my apartment had none of. So I looked on FB marketplace fairly often and found a decent 30 bottle fridge really cheap. I suggest the same thing to my friends starting out.

Then try different things, talk to the folks at the wine shop, visit wine bars, etc.

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petit-manseng · 3 months ago

To age wine you only need two things - a cool place with stable temperatures and a bottle of wine intended to age. For the cool place, your own basement or cellar is a good starting point. If you don't have one, perhaps family or friends do, otherwise there are paid storage facilities.

The tricky part is the wine. Most wine will not age well. The best wines to age are sweet wines such as Sauternes, Tokaji or Port. A good quality bottle of these from a good vintage will easily age for thirty years with no issue and fifty years is not uncommon. The second easiest wines to age are Riojas; they are also the cheapest red wines to age - a $20 Rioja in a good vintage can improve for fifteen years, and a $75 Rioja for forty. Even a relatively generic, mass-produced Rioja can be aged nicely! The third easiest is Bordeaux. Now you must be much more careful about the producer and the vintage, but even still you can find $50 Bordeaux that can improve for twenty years.

Beyond sweet wines, Riojas and Bordeaux, it takes more knowledge to understand which wines age well. This is a series of broad generalizations, but: most inexpensive wines, most wines aged in stainless steel, most dry white wines, and most mass-produced wines do not age well.

Now to your question... aging Pinot Noir for over, say, a decade is a bit tricky, because it is a rather expensive grape. To keep things simpler, you will want to look to Burgundy and plan to spend >$100/bottle.

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False100 · 3 months ago

Well, as a jumping off point for collecting, wine typically likes to sit at a temperature of 50 degrees to 60 degrees fahrenheit, and a relative humidity of 50 to 70 (keeping humidity constant is key). "Bigger" wines can usually age longer, but there are exceptions. As an example, good pinot noir has a sweet spot of 5-15 years aging, where as a good cab driven blend can easily age over 20 years (with 40 plus not being outlandish). If you want to age an collect, definitely look into either a wine fridge or cellar if you have deep pockets. I also would suggest a hygrometer to ensure humidity is consistent and within an acceptable range.

As far as collecting goes, I don't think there are rules. You can stick to a varietal or a region to begin with, and branch out as curiosity pushes boundaries. I personally suggest getting an armoa kit, so you can hone in on the notes you like in particular, and then see where else those notes are represented.

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Starter Wine Collection

Posted by snowybo · in r/wine · 30 days ago

We are about to move, and our new place will have a big cellar that I would like to start a wine collection in. Is that even possible? The cellar is dry, dark, and cold. If yes, what wines should I start with? Any suggestions? I live in Germany if that helps, and European wines are more accessible than US ones. Thanks all!

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szakee · 30 days ago

Maybe buy wines you like.

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snowybo · OP · 30 days ago

Thanks, I was planning on doing that. I am just not sure which wines are good for collecting and storing over a long period of time. I guess some input on that would be helpful!

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Pzero2020 · 30 days ago

Riesling can be stored over a long period of time. That can be a good start.

Also I would not start with the question “What wines are good for collecting and storing” but with the question “what wines do I like” and then see which of the wines you like are good for cellaring.

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Exciting_Role_8787 · 30 days ago

Well since you live in Germany - I would definitely start collecting some Riesling (Kabinett, GG, all the good stuff) :)

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MyNebraskaKitchen · 30 days ago

I would recommend getting some kind of wireless temperature/humidity sensor that connects to a smartphone so you can monitor the conditions in that cellar before you start laying down your collection.

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Pzero2020 · 30 days ago

Hard to answer your question without more Information. What wines do you Like? What Budget?

I would suggest trying wines and buying the one‘s you like. Read about them (for example how long you can or should cellar them etc.)

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jimmydisco72 · 30 days ago

You want your collection to reflect the wine you like to drink. Being from Germany I would focus on German/European producers, generally a good rule to drink wine from your local area. Find small boutique wine shops in your area and talk to the staff. Attend wine tastings in your area and buy the wines you really enjoy.

I also recommend stocking up on cheaper 'drink soon' wines along with the ones you plan on aging. Often I've focused on buying exclusively premium wines for cellaring and ended up with a collection that you're only saving for a 'special occasion' with nothing to drink on the odd weeknight.

Also remember not every wine is meant to be aged and older doesn't always mean better. When cellaring a wine you want to have a rough idea on when it should be drunk.

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snowybo · OP · 30 days ago

Thank you!! That’s very helpful!

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My father passed away and I inherited his wine collection. Not sure where to start, what to drink, how to prioritize and organize. Advice appreciated.

Posted by CuriousernCurioser · in r/wine · 3 years ago
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zoomiewoop · 3 years ago

First of all, condolences on your loss, and your dad was a cool guy to leave you a wine collection. My personal advice would be to go slow and use this as an opportunity to learn about wine. There’s no rush to drink through it all or figure it all out at once. Learning about wine takes time and rewards patience. There’s far too much to learn all at once. You dad likely spent years building up that collection and it could take years for you to learn about it in any depth. The cool thing is that if you go down this route, you’ll also in a way be learning more about your dad and what he loved.

Cellar Tracker is a great app where you can keep track of the collection and get a sense of how the community rates it (the tip top wines are usually around 95-96 pts on CT) and 91-94 is generally a good score. Note that this is going to be lower than “expert” ratings which tend to be inflated. Also check out wine-searcher.com, which will give you a sense of values and what is still available to be bought. Note that their prices are sometimes given for multiple bottles, but it will show the per-bottle cost in a smaller font on the right.

There aren’t enough resources online to learn about wine, in my opinion, but there are some okay YouTube videos and websites and books, depending on your level of interest. Again, if you’re relatively new to wine as a hobby, my advice would be to go slow and not worry too much.

And of course, as you start to get a sense of the values, open a bottle every now and then and see what you think! Cellar Tracker will give you a sense of which wines are in a good drinking window. If you do take the time to actually enter the wines into it as a database (and you don’t have to, of course, as it will take time) then you can even list the wines by “drink by” date. This is good as it shows you what is more urgent to drink sooner rather than later. Once a wine passes it’s ideal drinking window, it can start to deteriorate in quality.

If you want to take pictures with closer views of the labels, I’m sure many people here could help give you a quick sense of what’s in your collection and what’s valuable and good to drink sooner / later. The pictures here are too far away to tell what is there.

Good luck!

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CuriousernCurioser · OP · 3 years ago

A drinking report sounds like a great way to start. I guess I’d need to spend a few hours cataloging everything in order to make that happen. Probably worth it though. I wonder if I could share it with this community once I’ve done that to get some feedback.

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zoomiewoop · 3 years ago

Sure I think it would be great to share it here and get feedback. I’d certainly be interested. I think you can probably tell a bit about a person by their wine collection.

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Bakinspleen · 3 years ago

I just cataloged my 25-bottle collection into Cellar Tracker. It took about a half hour, and 2 of the 25 were not in the system. Some I had to manually input, but for the rest the bar code/label scanner worked great!

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bobjoylove · 3 years ago

Sorry for your loss. You could download Cellar Tracker, it will help with getting some idea about what you have, and if he had any system about storage (eg: by location). You’ll need to pay if you want a $ value, but you can get user opinions for free.

Also if I buy a case of something, that means I liked it. So that’s a clue as to his tastes.

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RunningJay · 3 years ago

I love cellar tracker.

It’ll take some time to go thought the bottles but it’ll also tell you a story about your dad.

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MidwesternTransplant · 3 years ago

Cellar Tracker is also pretty good about giving ballpark ranges of when you should drink different bottles by. This’ll help you drink each bottle at its best.

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DrunkDuffman · 3 years ago

Celebrate that mans life and enjoy some of the best bottles to the absolute fullest. My first priority would be to go through every single wine and look at the ages of bottles, see what can keep going and what should be drank soon

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CuriousernCurioser · OP · 3 years ago

I was thinking of putting red stickers on anything over 10yrs old. But old is relative to the grape and quality so I don’t know if that’s the best strategy. A 10 cab might not be ready when an 8 yr Pinot might be done.

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Tel-aran-rhiod · 3 years ago

How about having red stickers and orange stickers - orange for the varieties that are over 10 and handle age well, red for the ones that generally don't so much - then of the red ones you can then go through bottle by bottle and see what's worth keeping?

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NorthernerWuwu · 3 years ago

Don't overthink it.

It's just wine. Drink it and remember him.

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alfal94 · 3 years ago

So sorry for your loss.

I own a private gig on the side, organizing/digitalizing private home cellars and providing consultation. One of my clients recently passed, my final job was interpreting the cellar for his wife. It was an absolute honor; being able to see his cellar from that perspective was beyond humbling. Made me realize how much of a complete reflection a collection can be of one’s life. Cherish every bottle, as each one reflects a singular choice, memory, relationship, trip, business transaction or etc. that was solely his. Your father left you palpable evidence of the eternal imprint he left on this world.

As someone who recently lost my own father in the last couple of years, I am so so sorry for the grief you are feeling and will feel for years to come. May you have a bottle that perfectly pairs with each wave of emotion and every reminder of him.

ETA: pls shoot me a DM at any time if you have any questions or would like guidance on how to approach this, free of charge.

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How did you start your journey with wine?

Posted by to_glory_we_steer · in r/wine · 5 months ago

Hi, I'm hoping to get some insight into people's approaches to wine. I find myself in the unusual position of having the option to start a small vineyard. There are wines I like, so varietals that could work. But I feel like I've barely scratched the surface, are you just picking bottles and tasting this or that variety? How did your journey of discovery look?

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grapemike · 5 months ago

Have run my 1000 bottle vineyard for 21 years. DM me for practical matters.

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Klutzy-Client · 5 months ago

OP, this is the person you need to talk to before you dive in to opening a vineyard. Drinking wine and making wine are miles apart

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to_glory_we_steer · OP · 5 months ago

Oh crikey, I know I'm in for a ride with this one, advice taken :)

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st-julien · 5 months ago

Worked as a dining columnist for a newspaper. Exploring food made me want to explore the wines associated with those foods. I bought what I could afford and just worked my way to other wines. I didn't really worry about what directon I was going. I just knew I had to try more wines to build up my mental databank.

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to_glory_we_steer · OP · 5 months ago

That's a really nice approach, I appreciate the more organic and relaxed mindset. Do you have any standout wines that really impressed you? Additionally as I'm based in Poland I'd be interested to hear if you have any recommendations for wines from colder climes

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Martinsimonnet · 5 months ago

Wine drinking and winemaking are two entirely different beasts.

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CrazyLoucrazy · 5 months ago

Wine drinking is just that. Winemaking involves copious amounts of beer.

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death_or_glory_ · 5 months ago

Ikr? Hope OP loooooves to clean!

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calinet6 · 5 months ago

Ordering by the glass as much as I could, going to restaurants with good wine lists and asking the somm or knowledgeable server.

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to_glory_we_steer · OP · 5 months ago

This I can get behind, I have to admit I always feel a little intimidated in the supermarket, there's not usually enough information consistently formatted to make an informed decision

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Diuleilomopukgaai · 5 months ago

Went to my then girlfriend's family dinner. They got me hooked on crack, and now I can't quit. Started me on the good stuff grower Champagne, Grand Cru Burgundies, first growth Bordeaux, they kept plying me with things I couldn't possibly afford.

Now I gotta do... things... to chase that high.

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to_glory_we_steer · OP · 5 months ago

We listen and we don't judge

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I want to start making my own wine

Posted by Worldly_Beginning893 · in r/winemaking · 1 year ago

Hi all! Just for fun, I’ve been looking at winemaking courses online. Is there any course that anyone recommends ?

Also, if I wanted to start to make it at home just for fun, where do you recommend buying grapes and educating myself more about it?

Thank you!!!

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amstrumpet · 1 year ago

Personally I’d start with kit winemaking just to learn the process; you’ll have to get the startup equipment either way, then you get a kit that comes with juice (skins if you want to spend a little extra but I’d start with a cheap one), and everything else you need to add. The instructions will keep you on rails and teach you the process and let you work out kinks.

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pancakefactory9 · 1 year ago

I started by reading posts on this subreddit and it strangely worked out really well.

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Prior-Dare-9488 · 5 months ago

I started reading posts on here as well. Then I searched the Internet loads out there. At the moment this site is my goto. Hope this helps. to https://fermentistry.com/wine-making-for-beginners/

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V-Right_In_2-V · 1 year ago

Do you have a local brew your own brew store nearby? If so, go there. They should have everything you need to get started and have knowledgeable staff there to help answer questions. I just started myself 6 months ago. I would start with getting these two things:

  1. A wine making equipment kit (this should have all the equipment you need to make wine)

  2. A wine kit (this is the actual wine you will make)

Definitely do not try to buy all the equipment one by one. If you do not have a store near you, try to find one on Amazon or some other site. I just googled “beginner wine making kit” and found some options. Looks like there is a kit branded by master vintner listed on several different sites. It’s a bit expensive ($200). The kit I got in a store was $150. But it does include some things mine did not: A wine thief, a test jar, cleaner, thermometers. So I can see why it’s $50 more than mine

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JoshInWv · 1 year ago

Perhaps we should put together a list for OP for this? While there's a ton of opinions out there, I think most of us can agree on the basics for say, a 1 gallon batch, and can scale from there.

Purchasing kits is expensive. I'd suggest trying to make a basic fruit wine first so if it gets borked, op's not out $200, but maybe $30 or so, until they get the process down, sanitization, etc. Just my $0.02.

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bustamcbust · 1 year ago

I have been "home-vinting" for about a year, and I agree with the comments about using kits to start out. One thing I'll mention is that while wine is obviously supposed to age, I was very surprised with the difference between a fresh wine, a 1 month age, and a 1 year age. I used a Winexpert Classic Cab Sauvignon as my first kit, and went from mildly disappointed, to acceptable, to pleased in that aging timeframe. We likened the initial taste to Winking Owl, 1yr age to a $15-20 bottle.

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Franksnbeans01 · 1 year ago

I am also doing a winexpert 6wk cab kit. Its my first time doing this and cant wait to try. In the second racking I added french oak cubes since I enjoy a heavy oak taste

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M1sterM0g · 1 year ago

Id start by looking at "City Steading Brews" on youtube. They have a couple really low equipment type things that are pretty simple. I started with them and made 3 gallons straight from bottled juices from the store to get used to the process and learn with.

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Key Considerations for Starting a Wine Collection

  1. Set a Budget: Determine how much you want to spend on your collection. This will guide your purchasing decisions and help you avoid overspending.

  2. Choose a Focus: Decide if you want to collect specific types of wine (e.g., red, white, sparkling) or focus on particular regions (e.g., Bordeaux, Napa Valley). This can help narrow down your choices.

  3. Research and Learn: Familiarize yourself with wine varietals, regions, and vintages. Consider reading books, attending tastings, or joining wine clubs to enhance your knowledge.

  4. Start Small: Begin with a few bottles that interest you. As you learn more, gradually expand your collection. Aim for a mix of affordable everyday wines and a few higher-end bottles for special occasions.

  5. Storage Conditions: Invest in proper storage solutions. Wine should be kept in a cool, dark place with stable temperatures (ideally between 50-55°F) and humidity levels around 60-70%. A wine fridge or cellar can be a good investment.

  6. Record Keeping: Keep a log of your collection, noting details like purchase date, price, tasting notes, and ideal drinking windows. This will help you track your wines and make informed decisions about when to drink or sell them.

Recommendation: Start with a mix of wines that you enjoy and are curious about. Consider including a few bottles from reputable producers, as well as some that are highly rated by critics. This balanced approach will help you develop your palate while also building a collection that has potential for appreciation in value.

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