A prevailing scientific theory is that the moon formed when the Earth was hit by a large asteroid, knocking off a large piece -- or that two large bodies collided in the early solar system, forming both the Earth and the moon at once. I will respond to many of the questions you bring up with this theory in mind.

I reckon NHI hollowed out the moon and brought it here from another location

There is very strong geochemical evidence that the moon was once part of the Earth, or formed form the same parent bod(ies). Samples from Apollo missions have the same isotopic (radioactive element) ratios as Earth. The chances of a body from another planet, let alone another solar system, naturally having this is infinitesimally small. And in order to manipulate it to be so, you would basically have to build the entire moon from scratch, you couldn't just take an existing satellite from elsewhere and tamper with it.

What are the chances that it perfectly eclipses the sun

The best point you bring up, because this actually is an inexplicable coincidence, that if purely deterministic required great luck. To be honest, it's one of the things that make me question the existence of a higher power.

Brief background you are probably already aware of: The apparent size of the moon depends on both its actual size and its distance from Earth. The moon's distance from Earth is not static. The moon has an elliptical orbit, such that it is sometimes closer and sometimes further away from us. That is why some eclipses are total, and some are annular (ie, the moon doesn't perfectly eclipse and instead leaves a ring of fire.) More saliently, the moon is moving further away from us over time, with its orbit increasing by around 4cm per year. 100 million years ago (time of the T. rex), annular eclipses never occurred bc the moon was so close that it always fully eclipsed the sun. Similarly, in 50 million years, total eclipses will no longer happen, only annular ones, bc the moon will be too far away to fully eclipse. This gives an ~100 million year window in which 'perfect' eclipses are possible.

rotates so that the dark side never faces us where there are possibly gigantic non manmade structures

This is known as tidal locking, and the moon and the Earth is far from the only example of it. Its occurrence is fully explained by ordinal physics. All satellites with great enough mass to be rounded experience tidal locking over time. All 19 known rounded (spherical) satellites in our solar system are tidally locked out their home planet. Don't take my word for it, here is a Wikipedia article, scroll to section about satellites, you will notice every satellite's rotational period is the same as its orbital period. It is not a coincidence that the moon is like this, it is a guarantee that any satellite of sufficient mass will eventually become tidally locked with its parent body.

life probably would not exist on earth if the moon didn’t create earths tides

Earth would certainly be incredibly different without tides. Additionally, the hypothesized asteroid collision that formed the moon is also what lead to Earth's axis tilt and therefore seasons. However, neither of these things have anything to do with NHI.

Apparently, the moon is far bigger than it should be compared to other moons in general

It's unclear exactly what you mean by this. Assuming you mean to compare the size of the moon to the satellites around gas giants, the reason the moon is so much bigger is because of entirely different formation processes.

weighs far less than earth when comparing to earth size

No, the moon has around 60% of Earth density. The surface rocks of the Earth and moon are comparable in density, but the major overall density difference is due to the moon's relative lack of heavy metals, in particular, its small iron core compared to Earth's. This can be explained by the impact hypothesis, since an impact would knock off what it reaches on the surface, leaving the core of the Earth intact.

which suggests to me it may be hollow

The moon cannot be hollow. We have seismographic data that shows this beyond any doubt. Further, the overall mass of the moon is consistent with what this seismographic data suggests the size of the moon's core is. That is, there is no missing or extra mass when looking at the overall mass of the moon and what seismographic data shows internal layers of the moon to be. (Seisomgraphs allow the relative densities of various layers that seismic waves pass through to be determined, and are commonly used to study internal structures of planetary bodies.)

I heard recently that it is actually an artificial satellite/observation unit, all the other planetary bodies and moons rotate, how come the moon does not rotate? Not sure if it is true but heard as well it was built in another place and navigated into place

There is pretty conclusive evidence that a Mars sized protoplanet (who researchers have named theia) collided with proto earth and the resulting ejecta/ matter coalesced into the moon. Some proof exists in moon rock composition and in deep mantle blooms in earths core that are thought to be the remnant core chunks of theia. Also accounts for some of our axial tilt.

Too big to be captured or formed naturally due to accretion. I'm not a subscriber to far out theories when other evidence with much more plausible potential exists. This would have happened during the Hadean eon, so earth was largely a ball of molten rock when this occurred. Theia too.

A moon sized space station or ship is so ridiculous a concept it's not worthy of thought. The sheer resource development required would render the point of construction moot. You could make much smaller and more efficient space stations or observation posts if you have the level of tech required to make a moon sized base. Just a dumb idea.

there are legends from Sth America, Sth Africa and Greece that talk about a time before there was a moon in the sky...........

Look it up, 1969 Apollo lunar lander module was jettisoned as they departed the moon's surface and the seismographs on the moon's surface detected the moon ringing "like a bell" when the module impacted. Scientists derived that the moon must be hollow, or at the very least has massive hollowed out sections. Also no other planet/moon pair has been found anywhere in the universe with a similiar size ratio or orbital path. In other words other moons orbiting other planets are drastically smaller in size (asteroid size) and not locked in orbits where only 1 side is visiible. All that and the other stuff is a very curious circumstance.

It’s down voted because it is not alternative history, but the most conventionally accepted current theory. Bad mouthing the idea that the moon is artificially constructed or adapted to some specific purpose beyond our understanding is ignorant and asinine. Also who has the right to tell others what is not worthy of their thought!?

The fact that the moon just happens to perfectly eclipse the sun has always seemed strange to me. Just like the fact that we seem to be bang in the middle between the smallest and largest known thing in the universe. What are the odds hey?

By the way this is just a theory, one of many. The moon is weird as fuck. It’s an entire rabbit hole you don’t want to go down. But ill say this the oldest rock ever found was on the moon not on earth.

Would the other planet actually warp like that right before the collision?

So here’s another thought, there’s probably billions of “rogue” planets flying around our galaxy right now. Planets of all sizes, not illuminated by a star, with no way to see or detect them, that can come from anywhere at anytime and absolutely wreck our solar system without even a direct hit. Just one day one could enter our system with enough mass to send other bodies from the Oort Cloud hurtling towards the solar system. If a big enough one enters our outer or inner solar system it could destabilize it and eject planets out of orbit from the sun. There’d be nothing we could do, it would one day be the last day.

I've got to rewatch that show.

It's not a fresh take, it's the most advanced simulation OF that theory

Yeah this must be how it went… Because supercomputers, lots of imagination and stuff

I don’t under how solid masses would move like liquids like that. I mean I guess it makes more sense than debris accumulation being packed together by gravitational pull. Idk hours seems a bit rushed but I’m not a scientist.

What about Jesus or hey what if his name was bob. Now I got u thinkin

Poppycock

Yes. But sadly the moon is the last of its species and is very lonely. Maybe you can visit it some time and tell it that everything will be okay and god has a plan for it.

1. What does this have to do with atheism?

2. It was (more then likely) caused/created by a planetary collision.

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> The Moon is thought to have formed about 4.51 billion years ago, not long after Earth. The most widely accepted explanation is that the Moon formed from the debris left over after a giant impact between Earth and a Mars-sized body called Theia. New research of moon rocks, although not rejecting the Theia hypothesis, suggests that the moon may be older than previously thought.[13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon

Both happened, the vast majority of the material was reformed into the Earth, and only a small amount which had enough energy to achieve a high orbit was able to be swept up into the Moon.

The gravitational relationship between earth and moon means that there is an energy exchange between the bodies that is giving the moon additional energy over time.

In short the earth gets some rotational velocity stolen which is added to the moons ordinal velocity.

Eventually the moon will escape…

What I don’t know is how long the earths days will be at that time :-)

TL;DR: Combination of the angle of the strike, and consistency of the target. Picture it like firing a high-powered slingshot's marble at an apple, striking the exact center versus striking off to the side - the second type of hit knocks away chunks that only fly off so far.

A slingshot marble hitting an apple straight in the middle, much like a large object hitting the earth straight-on, would caused a spray in all directions, like a ball bearing dropped into flour. Depending on mass and velocity it could have either shattered the apple/earth and kept going, or got stuck into the apple/earth while causing a huge "splash" of apple/molten rock. But the resulting spray wouldn't come out in a huge glob. It'd be almost an aerosol.

However, if our marble/asteroid hit at a glancing angle and gouged instead of slamming directly in, it could have pushed out or broken away very large chunks of apple/molten rock in a way that didn't force everything scattered from the impact to fly apart in small masses. And in the Earth case, there could have been a huge mass of material, some still in giant chunks, shoved away at an angle to the Earth and going fast enough to form an orbital path so they couldn't fall back to ground.

Now the very large pieces would not have enough escape velocity to leave Earth's orbit completely, and they would have acted like a vaccuum cleaner over time, sweeping the area of other debris and absorbing it thanks to their gravity and size. That mass would also have been super hot from the energy of the impact and the fact that the Earth itself was hot too (and it still is, if you gouge deep enough).

And the gravity would have caused that liquid, plasticky rock to collapse into the most efficient shape for a ball of near-liquid material - a sphere. And that's why the moon is a ball rather than a torn-up irregular lump.

It achieved escape velocity during the initial splash and happened to fall into a sustainable orbit.

This isn't anywhere near "new".

What's the time scale ?

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Our one and only natural satellite was formed 4.5 billion years ago after a great collision. The collision was with a Mars-sized object called Theia, flinging debris into space that collected into the Moon. Our moon is the only moon in the solar system that is just called "moon".

Moon Phase: Waxing Gibbous Illumination: 70.34% Moon Age: 8.66 days Scope: Explore Scientific ES127-FCD100 with EAF Camera: ZWO 2600MC-Pro Filter: None Mount: ZWO AM5 Exposures: 4 panel mosaic, 3000 frames each with best 25% used. Processed in Pixinsight and Lightroom

The Moons gravity acts across the Earth differentially (not the same everywhere) and gives rise to what is known as the tidal force. The tidal force acts to deform the Earth but the response of the Earth to this force is visco-elastic meaning that essentially there is a dissipation of energy (mechanical energy gets converted into heat). If there was no dissipation then the response of the Earth would be resonant with the forcing. Since there is dissipation then there is a phase lag between the forcing and the response of the Earth, exactly like a harmonic oscillator. The handwavey consequence is that the Earth deforms like in this figure (the reason this is handwavey is because in general tidal dissipation does not need to create a deformation, as long as the tidal energy is being dissipated then that is sufficient, but this is subtle and likely beyond a reddit post). From this you can see that there is what is known as a tidal bulge and it is misaligned with the line of centres (an imaginary line joining the centres of the two objects). As such, there is more mass at one side of the line than the other and hence an asymmetry in the gravity well of the Earth. That gravity well is essentially telling the Moon how to orbit the Earth and the consequence of this misalignment is that the Moon migrates outwards (it should be noted that tides do not always cause outward migration and the direction of migration is determined by the sign of the difference between the primary spin frequency and the secondary orbital frequency, a negative/positive sign meaning inwards/outwards migration).

So essentially tidal friction is what drives this migration. The source need not be from the oceans, and there are many sources of tidal dissipation, but for the Earth the dominant source of tidal dissipation is from the oceans.

The part of the Earth that is under the Moon gets pulled toward the Moon. Because the Earth is spinning, and there is friction, the tidal bulge is farther east than the sublunar point. That means the Earth pulls the Moon ever so slightly forward in its orbit. If you accelerate an orbiting body, its orbit rises.

You can look at it in energy and momentum terms too. The moon causes the tidal bulge as others have said. The earth rotates under the bulge because it rotates faster than the moon orbits.

The drag of the tides slows the earth’s rotation. But angular momentum of a closed system has to be conserved - so the momentum has to transfer to the moon.

Ironically adding energy to the moon’s orbit raises its orbit and actually lengthens the orbital period. (But it also weakens the tidal effect.)

Btw, as an aside, the modern view is that our moon formed later than the Earth from a large collision with a Mars sized planetoid they call Theia.

I love this, wonderful job OP :)

oh my god, this is beautiful. you did such a good job with the lines and shading and everything. plus having a rat as the moon is just chef’s kiss

THIS IS SO NEAT

Earth's moon was formed from the aftermath of a collision with another planet. Because of this, the moon is made of a sharp and powdery igneous rock. The average composition of the Moon's lunar surface is 43% oxygen, 20% silicone, 19% magnesium, 10% iron, 3% calcium and aluminum. Hope this answers your question thank you very much

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