Miraculous Ladybug Season 5 Finale Explained

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It should go without saying that the Season 5 finale is one of the most polarizing things of the Miraculous canon. From the fact that Gabriel made a wish after everything, to the vagueness of how Lila got the Butterfly Miraculous and of course, that Adrien was sidelined in favor of Marinette leading the final battle. I admit that I've had choice words for the finale, too. While most remaining ambiguouity was cleared up with the London special, I do think that there is one simple reason why only Marinette could have been Gabriel's opponent in the Battle. The alternate timelines of "Cat Blanc" and "Ephemeral" made it clear that as soon as Gabriel discovers his son's secret identity, he wins (well, almost in the first case), not to mention, he had recently acquired both twin rings ensuring his control. There's no way Cat Noir could have kept his identity a secret during the fight at his house.

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Outside-Currency-462 · 1 month ago

To be honest I liked how it went with Gabriel making a wish etc

Just cannot get over not putting the other main character in the finale

Like I get that they wanted her to combine the miraculous but Adrien is literally the one person who could have been useful without a miraculous since its his dad

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Particular_Cycle9667 · 1 month ago

I actually disagree. It’s shown in both of those episodes that he is willing to sacrifice his son. It’s even still in gorilla. He’s willing to sacrifice his son to get what he wants. His obsession became everything to him. He had a chance to fix it, and he chose his obsession. And every time he found out Adrien’s identity, he used him. So even if he thought here it would end the same with Gabriel getting the miraculous and making the wish and he wouldn’t have sacrificed himself like he did. It had to really end this way as much as we don’t like him not being in the battle as much as we wish it hadn’t happened that Gabriel turned around and been a better dad or whatever other ending we ideally want; this was really the only ending.

Yes, Gabriel could have given himself up and gone to jail. I think we all preferred that or if he just stopped entirely but when you really think about it, if Adrien was there it wasn’t gonna end with Gabriel, sacrificing himself and gonna end as a battle between cat noir and ladybug or cat noir or Adrien is used as a paw and weapon against ladybug and Gabriel wins.

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Capable_Whereas_2901 · 1 month ago

The S5 finale is one of the few things in miraculous where the execution is fine, but the underlying idea is the issue. Give this scenario to any half-decent writing team: One of the protagonists has found the main villains identity and is closing in on them for the final battle. The other protagonist is in another country plagued by nightmares and far too demoralised to help. What happens next? And I assure you that 9 out of 10 of them would find some way to have Adrien involved in that battle. Felix's whole "senti freedom" arc could've played a role, having him somehow steal the twin rings from Gabe to allow Adrien to stand up to him. Or ave Adrien show up anyways and give us an actual battle between LB and CN, ending in CN just using sheer willpower to resist his father's control(they play fast and loose with power definitions a lot anyways). Anything but just excluding not just a main character , but the one most affected by this villain from the final battle. Lile sure, the end result was one of the most hype fight scenes in the show, surpassed only, imo, by Heroes' Day, amd setting up a beautiful moral quandry going into S6, but it shouldn't have existed to begin with.

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Ninjelon · 1 month ago

No, in all the Cat Blanc and Ephemeral cases Adrien was alone.

But this time Marinette was with him and Adrien would know Gabriels identity before Gabriel.

Thats a vital difference.

Just these 2 changes could change the outcome drastically.

I never understood how ephemeral and Chat Blanc making Adrien beeing in the finale impossible.

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Glum-Bag-586 · 1 month ago

The s5 finale isn't a bad episode on itself

It's good and entertaining and has a cliffhanger that makes you seek more

It's just sad that adrien and gabriel never got the direct confrontation the writers set them up to get

It's just way too much wasted potential

Plus adrien keep on being left out is just pure suffering for fans

Most miraculous fans including me don't hate the s5 finale we are just sad the reveal between father and son never happened and never will happen since gabriel died

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Memeenjoyer_ · 1 month ago

Exactly. I wish Adrien got something at least, like a moment where he breaks out of the cell and contributes even if not centrally

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Odd_Yam3983 · 1 month ago

If Adrien is in the fight, Ladybug cannot fully utilize her power because Gabriel constantly threatens Ladybug with Adrien's life. That if she doesn't give him the Miracles, he will destroy the twin rings. Marinette would be forced to give up the Miracles and, maybe Gabriel's original wish will come true, Emilie will return, but Maribug will fall into a coma because Gabriel wanted to sacrifice her, which will upset the future timeline, where Ladybug is still an active hero as an adult. Adrien hates his father for the rest of his life, he will not be a hero anymore because he will probably become a villain because his father sacrificed his love. Emilie leaves Gabriel because he sacrificed Adrien's happiness. It's bad if he's not in the final battle, but it would also be bad if he is in it, but only as a burden. Adrien would feel bad for causing Marinette trouble. Because of him, her father got the Wish.

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Particular_Cycle9667 · 1 month ago

Yeah, exactly when you put like this, there’s no winning if he was there. If Adrien was there, even if Gabriel didn’t know his alter ego, he would still use him against ladybug even if it’s just as a pawn to hand over everything she would be too busy worrying about Adrien to be able to think clearly. While a lot of us may not like the way this turned out I think it was the best option.

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Vermarine21 · 1 month ago

That's unfortunately not a very good excuse for Adrien doing absolutely nothing as well as a plot point that the show itself didn't really care about enough to incorporate

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Nangbaby · 1 month ago

I don't mind Marinette being Gabriel's final opponent. However, it is very possible Gabriel locked himself out of either an Ephemeral or Cat Blanc situation.

While those involved with the show say that the Miraculized are not akumatized, it is very clear that the power of transmission is being used to bolster the mass transformations.

I personally don't believe that Monarch could have sent an Akuma to a single target at that time. If he could, he would have sent one to Bug Noire mid-fight as she was still suffering nightmares. Even if she rejected the akuma, trying to akumatize her would have given him an opening needed to at least take the earrings

If Monarch couldn't akumatize anyone because he was sustaining the transformation of the Miraculized then this as a further layer to the conclusion. The irony would be that Adrien's choice, while the right choice thematically would have the wrong choice strategically. Of course that would actually exasperate any guilt Adrien would feel if he ever learned the entire truth.

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Vermarine21 · 1 month ago

Yeah actually, the Alliance might've been keeping him from akumatization anyone else

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Does anyone know what happens at the end of season 5?

Posted by Fit_Comfortable_2034 · in r/miraculousladybug · 2 years ago

If the ending is any good I'll continue watching the show?

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jonk012 · 2 years ago

Adrien, Felix, and Kagami are all CONFIRMED sentimonsters

Gabriel dies, but he also wins and gets his wish. He also gets a statue made of him. The public thinks he died heroically.

Emilie comes back

Mrs. Bustier gets married and has a baby. She also becomes mayor and sets up a school with no teachers, and no homework. Kids teach themselves and learn at their own pace

Lila becomes the new Hawkmoth. Her villain name is Chrysalis

Everyone who has had a miraculous before(aside from Chloe), now gets to permanently keep their miraculous. Examples: Sabrina keeps the dog miraculous, Luka keeps the snake miraculous, Alya keeps the fox,etc

Adrien is not involved in the finale in any way, shape,or form.

Season 6 onward will technically take place in a new world

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I_pinguino · 2 years ago

Booo at least have Adrien do something. I would love to see a big confrontation of Adrien releasing it was he father all along. It’s like Luke and Darth Vader. Just ahhhh 😫😩 And why bring back Emilie after all the character development of moving on? Not too mention hawkmoth not deserving the happy ending he got booooo 🥲 i cry

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Molecularsequel · 2 years ago

You forgot >! Felix, Kagami, and Adrien are sentibeings !<

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NSCCYT · 2 years ago

It's litterally he first thing he said, lol

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Fit_Comfortable_2034 · OP · 2 years ago

How do you know all this?

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jonk012 · 2 years ago

The actual storyboards leaked for these episodes on Christmas. It's the official ending.

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SpendingTime112 · 2 years ago

I watched all the leaked storyboards and I know this is what actually happened yet still this list seems like a joke.

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SnooCupcakes4685 · 2 years ago

Them being sentimonsters is so stupid why would they make it real😒

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Pythagoras180 · 2 years ago

I'm sure watching Adrien "MacGuffin" Agreste idolize his abusive father on the big screen will make all the difference. 🙄

An abusive father whose final act was to murder a random person to heal Nathalie, a woman who is not at all punished for her crimes, including the murder of Sentibug. Sure, watching that being animated will suuuurely make it great.

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Hsadegh8 · 2 years ago

And after all of this he is being considered a hero!
When the scripts came out I thought they could be fake but the storyboards !!! And 3D models!they can't be fake. I thought it was a joke!

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sonia-kate · 2 years ago

To me, it is... well, imo it would be good if they'll use that setup well next season. As a stand alone not much, but could be a good setup if used well so, I guess I'll wait and see

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mondaysinseptembee · 2 years ago

my sweet summer child,

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So did anyone else kinda hate the season 5 finale? (MAJOR SPOILERS!)

Posted by WillowGrace357 · in r/miraculousladybug · 2 years ago

Season 5 was going so well, and the writing had gotten so much better that I had actually loved this season up until these last two episodes. But this is an absolute writing disaster, and it retroactively ruins the rest of the season leading up to it. The only decent writing decision seemed to be bringing Luka back as a kung fu master, because that was at least novel and interesting. But then Luka ended up playing more of a part in the final battle against Hawk Moth than Chat Noir! Adrien just gave up at the final fight so Marinette could revert back to being the center of the whole universe and doing everything perfectly. I thought the writers were over this! Adrien wasn't even the one at Nathalie's side when she died, Marinette was! Even after this entire season putting so much focus on the closeness of Adrien and Nathalie's relationship. Then, after an entire season of Marinette and Adrien learning they need to communicate better with each other to work out as a couple, Marinette just lies to Adrien's face and tells him that his dad was a good guy who sacrificed himself to save the day. And the reveal doesn't happen for Chat Noir and Hawk Moth, so Gabriel never learns that his son was Chat Noir, and apparently we are supposed to just believe that Chat never listened to the voicemails LB left him on his baton that literally said "Hawk Moth is Gabriel Agreste". Oh, and of course the wish that has been teased for years now as the worst possible outcome actually happens, and it literally just fixes everything! Nothing is destroyed except Gabriel, and he was about to die anyway. It shows the whole scene of the weird orb destroying the world like it was said multiple times to do, but then no one even cares! So basically, if Ladybug and Chat Noir never did anything and just gave Gabriel the miraculous in episode 1, it would have ended exactly the same but Nathalie would have lived. But hey, don't worry! Adrien and Marinette kiss for like 30 straight seconds at the end for a second time, so the writing is fixed you guys! Just don't think about the fact that Marinette and Gabriel have now had more open and honest communication on screen than Marinette and Adrien, and that Adrien literally doesn't seem to care at all that both his dad and Nathalie died. K I'm gonna go cry now

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PC_babitimes · 2 years ago

I mean- from Adrien's perspective; his dad died a hero & Natalie's alive (we saw her with Emelie in the end)

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Timbits06 · 2 years ago

But Gabriel dying a hero just makes it worse. Gabriel manipulated and treated Adrien badly, but now he’s going to be seen as a hero? That’s messed up.

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MilkOST · 2 years ago

The worst by far for me was Gabriel redemption, especially after everything he has done, whats the message of this? Its okay to abuse and manipulate your own son? Amd seem as a hero? And the saddest is Adrien will never a chance to face his father for his own.

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Ladynoir_Fan · 2 years ago

Not to mention Tomoe just gets off scot free as well, despite literally poisoning everyone in the word with an alliance.

Plus the man locked Adrien up in a torture cell, and now Adrien wishes he could be him? What the heck.

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otirkus · 2 years ago

I don't mind Tomoe getting away, the writers probably have plans for her in the next season. But Gabriel absolutely shouldn't have gotten away scot-free. You can write a villain with a tragic backstory without brushing aside all his evil actions. Adrien could have finally stood up to Gabriel and confronted him, and after Gabriel's death, Adrien would understand his complete legacy. I'm guessing it was Ladybug who told the public that Gabriel was a hero who sacrificed himself - she's literally made her boyfriend's abusive supervillain father into a hero!

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Mr_Kase · 2 years ago

Honestly though, it’s kind of a mature response by Marinette to martyrize Gabriel for Adrien’s sake. That boy’s been through enough, can you imagine how much harder his life would be if his dad’s supervillain identity was made public?

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Acrobatic-Net994 · 2 years ago

Adrien's personality and growth shows how much he cares for truth and responsibility

As a character, I'm pretty sure that, in the long run, he would prefer to live in a sad reality rather than a pretty lie

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Upset-Lengthiness-96 · 2 years ago

In addition to that, what also left a sour taste in my mouth is Marinette actually trusting that Gabe will listen to her at the end. Like after everything he’s done she thinks he’d be good after just a conversation? He’s literally mad and he still has most of the miraculous Also I was kinda confused why Marinette was shocked at gabe being monarch cause like didn’t Felix kinda tell her that anyway when he had the senti-slideshow?

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spriteceo · 2 years ago

I have a feeling that the truth will come out in season six. It’s an incredibly baffling choice otherwise… and while I know Astruc hasn’t always made the best writing choices, I don’t see him and the writers making Gabriel’s ‘redemption’ happen without some sort of consequence or twist. I suspect Lila will spill the beans in some way, or Marinette will hold some sort of resentment for Hawkmoth/Gabriel and become upset over everyone honoring him. But that’s just a theory.

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WillowGrace357 · OP · 2 years ago

I totally agree. Nothing he did as hawk moth changes what he did to Adrien as Gabriel. He did NOT deserve any redemption.

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Electronic_Recipe_82 · 2 years ago

To be fair, Miraculous world has been canon all season

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TheLittleParis · 2 years ago

Yeah I think I'm in the same place at the moment. I enjoyed 80% of the finale and understand that Gabriel got a redemption-on-paper here, but the message that this ultimately sends is:

Monarch was right all along;
Making wishes isn't a huge deal as long as you understand the consequences going into it; and
Ladybug and Chat Noir prolonged a lot of needless pain and suffering by stopping Monarch from uniting the Miraculous.

The only way I see this getting rectified is if next season's arc establishes clear and far-reaching consequences for re-writing the universe. Making a wish should be a really big deal, and Marinette keeping Gabriel's role in the mental and physical torment of numerous Parisians a secret needs to exert a toll on her and Adrien's relationship.

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Season 5 Finale (SPOILER)

Posted by AureumXAngel · in r/miraculousladybug · 2 years ago

Please tell me I’m not the only person who got the biggest headache watching the last episode of Season 5. I love the miraculous series but I really believe we deserved a better ending.

I have so many problems with the last episode but two major ones. First, they side lined cat noir. He deserves to know the truth. That was some serious closure they left out! It was his fight too. Second, the time jump was absolutely mean! I can’t be the only one who would have liked to see the full extent of the wish, as well Marinette looking for the butterfly miraculous. Plus it leaves us with so many unanswered questions that it doesn’t feel like a finale at all. We can’t even confirm if it’s Emily or Amelie sitting with Natalie by the pool.

This was such a big Season finale and I had high expectations after the huge build up. If they had at least avoided the time jump, it would have been so much more impactful. The three week jump made it feel cheap. Don’t get me wrong, I still love the show… that ending just killed me.

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AureumXAngel · OP · 2 years ago

Side note: I’d like to think if that was Emily, that Adrian would have enough common sense to realize what went down.

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Harleyzz · 2 years ago

I liked the finale a lot and would like to know if anyone liked it too :0

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Pettywise27 · 2 years ago

I liked it! It wasn’t my favorite of the finales, but I also don’t agree with this post that it was that bad.

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MobiusBF · 2 years ago

Everyone hates it lol

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BenR-G · 2 years ago

One of the big problems in writing is to pay off your build-up Not many can square the circle without ruining all prospects for a continuation and that certainly seems to have been Astruc's concern.

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Season 5's questionable/odd/weird writing moments

Posted by Aggravating_House916 · in r/miraculousladybug · 7 months ago

-Gabriel in elation finds out marinette likes cat noir and says "marinette has feelings for cat noir I'm not sure what to extent but it's a weakness I will exploit" but never ends up doing it....

-lila turning invisible and teloporting in the basement to get the butterfly miraculous

-chloe becoming mayor

-andre adopting zoe and sending chloe off to live with audrey (his wife who he knows is abusive so he rightly takes zoe but abandons chloe???)

-felix crying after destroying redmoon in emotion and lecturing kagami about the value of sentilife in pretension, but then destroy the projector (once upon a time) in represention when they were done with it. (Implying the projector wasn't needed which goes against everything felix said)

-zoe getting the cat miraculous with zero build up to it. It felt really forced and that they were trying to make her more relevant

-Derision...

-marinette taking over the agreste arc (The show setup since the very beginning a gabriel vs adrien conflict/confrontation but marinette ends up facing gabriel which was unsatisfy to watch)

-amelie confronting gabriel (I'm not sure what the point of that was)

-luka finding out ladybug and cat noir's identity was kind of pointless since he gets written out of the show and there wasnt much payoff from it nor was there any drama.

-adrien having zero involvement in the finale

-adrien finding the spyglass in strike back but In reality he dropped it on the floor and it's never bought up again.

-adriens regression- he is reduced to a sidekick and is completely unaware of important events and ends up being a love interest (playing marinettes boyfriend) rather then a dueteragonist

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LastBlackberry109 · 7 months ago

What I would LOVE to know and see in the show is for Felix as a senti being himself just amokotize HIMSELF with new abilities rather than create a sentient being just to discard them when done JUST LIKE WHAT HE OPPOSED previously. How interesting and new would that be to have Felix powering up himself (or Kagami with her permission since she's also a senti) to battle Lila who sometimes akumatizes herself.

But of course that would leave Marinette too far out of the story to be allowed to happen.

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GloryBax · 7 months ago

Marinette needs a break, not just from her own personal standpoint (look at her, she has anxiety), but also from a character and fandom standpoint. The general consensus right now is that she's gone backwards character wise and the writers don't know how to actually incorporate the development she went through in S5 and the London special.

With a cast of heroes as large as this, not every episode HAS to have Marinette at the centre. So to let Felix and Kagami shine, even for just an episode, is a very good idea narratively speaking.

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Shiny_sparkle · 7 months ago

Oh my gosh that would have been so MUCH better!

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lovrsophiah · 7 months ago

Honestly I think Andre had a right to do so with adopting Zoe and sending off Chloe. They were both abusive and her and Audrey got along most of the time anyway when it came to saying things were utterly ridiculous, so in Andre's eye's it was probably more or less a "I want what's best for me" type of deal

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StephNHLFan89 · 7 months ago

Yeah, but I don’t think it’s the right thing to do, but I think it’s mostly unfair without a lawyer or a therapist in this show. Chloe is abusive, too.

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AjaySurajay · 7 months ago

forgot one thing, adrien / felix being senti-created human

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Optimal_Ad6274 · 7 months ago

Yep true

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Vermarine21 · 7 months ago

Yeah, you can tell they somehow ran out of room to do a bunch of stuff but tried to include it anyway.

Don't forget Kagami being friends with Lila, Audrey being aggressive to Andre again, Gabriel blaming Marinette for Felix's massacre, Zoe trying to retcon her own backstory, Andre & Audrey knowing Gabriel had the Miraculouses, and Juleka saying she want to be a mortician instead of a model

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Just watched S5 finale and I am confused [SPOILERS FOR S5 FINALE]

Posted by explorerofsilence · in r/miraculousladybug · 2 years ago

Does that mean that everything Ladybug and Chat Noir worked so hard for was all for nothing since Monarch made his final wish?????

Overall I was just really confused with how the finale went. Not sure how to feel about it.

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Kewster57 · 2 years ago

Yeah he made the wish but it was a much better wish than it was going to be before he got insta-redeemed by the Mari monologue and the Emilie video. Instead of killing someone to bring Emilie back, he sacrificed himself to bring Nathalie back to health so yeah in the end he made the wish but it was about as good as it could have been. I did personally think his redemption was a bit unrealistic but otherwise we might not have ever seen the wish which would have been maybe worse? It's a weird feeling cos it's a bit like no-one won or lost really, my main issue is that Adrien will have a lot to unpack if he finds out what really happened!

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BakuTheGamer · 2 years ago

Wait he what? I didn’t even notice Nathalie in the ending scenes! I thought he brought back his wife?! This is so confusing!

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-Crystal_Butterfly- · 2 years ago

It makes sense that it's Natalie because Marinette mentioned both him and Natalie only had a few hours left maxing they were both going to die later that day. His wife was already dead so it would of had to be his life for Natalies. At least I think that's what it was

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tireedwriter · 2 years ago

I believe he brought back Emilie, not Nathalie.>! I think Nathalie died for real.!<

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Kewster57 · 2 years ago

So Nathalie was on a sun lounger behind Amelie in the end pool scenes, fully healed, however there is ongoing discussion about the Amelie / Emilie thing so until we have a proper confirmation it's just gonna be a lot of people speculating given how they interpreted the episode and the script leaks that happened. I think it's Amelie because Gabe said he only wanted to change one thing with the wish, which was his life for Nathalie, but I could be wrong, you'll have to watch it again and do a bit more reading of people's opinions and try to work it out for yourself :)

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[deleted] · 2 years ago

My question is how did emilie get brought back if garbriel used the wish to save natalie? I’ve seen the finale but I’m just confused.

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mondaysinseptembee · 2 years ago

In "Evolution" the plan is to fix the peacock miraculous before Emilie uses it. If that was the wish, the show's own lore says another miraculous would be broken in its place (the butterfly, probably)

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Kewster57 · 2 years ago

There is ongoing discussion, as it's not super obvious from what happens in the episode, but I believe the woman at the end is Amelie, Felix's mum, not Emilie. There was a script leak a few months ago where it was said she was Emilie but it looks like this could have been changed by the writers however there isn't any real confirmation anywhere so we don't know 100% and are gonna have to wait until next season or maybe one of the specials to find out for sure.

The way it makes sense to me is that the wish traded one life for another, Gabe said he only wanted to change one thing, and I believe that was his life for Nathalie. TA on twitter just said something like "it's explained in the episode" so I guess we have to just go with what we believe until we're told for sure :)

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alves715 · 2 years ago

Yeah, it kinda turned LB and CN into the bad guys since Gabriel's wish ended up bringing about a world where everyone was happy. There better be some twist in season 6 like the whole thing is an illusion or something. Otherwise, the entire point of the show is gone.

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MilkOST · 2 years ago

Totally agree it makes no sense for the show and the 5 seasons.

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YussLeFay · 2 years ago

My problem is: gabriel was going to die in a few hours anyway, so how much of a sacrifice was it, really? If everything was balanced, then Nathalie should be healed only for a few hours and then go back to dying. Am I wrong?

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roy_kamikaze · 2 years ago

Not completely pointless. Marinette managed to give Gabriel a change of heart before making his wish. Without it, I'm pretty sure the consequences of it would have been veeeeeeeeeeery different.

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What happend at the end of Season 5? Wrong answers only 😅

Posted by Jessenetteo_ · in r/miraculousladybug · 1 year ago

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Optimal_Ad6274 · 1 year ago

Ladybug and Chat Noir worked as a team to defeat Monarch, forced him to stand down and hand over the Miraculous, and convinced him to sacrifice himself to revive Emily

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Select-Half-1666 · 1 year ago

They should NOT have convinced him to sacrifice himself to revive Emily. For one thing, Adrien would NOT want to see his dad basically kill himself. If Cat Noir was there and Ladybug or Gabriel suggested that, he would probably protest this, and that would probably lead to an identity reveal (which while we obviously need one, this would not be a good way to go about it). Also, one of the major themes of the show in the later seasons (at least as it seemed to me) is that we have to learn to accept change at let things go, like how Gabriel has to find peace with Emily passing away.

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wittle_ashy · 1 year ago

This would have been the best ending

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Cobalt_Spirit · 1 year ago

But it would end the story for good.

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FireArrow879 · 1 year ago

Lila whipped out a pistol and shot Ladybug in the leg multiple times and then left

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CaptainMianite · 1 year ago

Adrien killed his father in cold blood

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Z_Man3213 · 1 year ago

It was a great, uncontroversial ending that everyone unanimously agrees did amazingly by every character. It certainly didn’t introduce an eldritch being that haunts my nightmares and the kwami stay chibi forever. It also created some interesting plot hooks for the next season that I will not be watching entirely because of the ending.

(I’m not sure my answer can get much more wrong than that.)

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ThisGul_LOL · 1 year ago

asked chat gpt to make up a false plot for the ending of s5 and here’s what it gave me:

In the end of Miraculous S5, Ladybug and Cat Noir retired to open a bakery together, serving croissants and akuma-shaped pastries to all of Paris. Hawk Moth became a professional butterfly collector, and the akumas formed a boy band called "The Evil Butterflies."

Wtaf? 😭😭😭

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Big-Seaworthiness3 · 1 year ago

Why do I want to see this happen as a series finale (minus the impossible things ofc)

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Lansha2009 · 1 year ago

Hey at least Cat Noir gets to actually be important

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karimredditor · 1 year ago

akuma-shaped pastries

That has the same sound like the infinity scones post-End game. Something tells me that would not be succesful

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milkybugslime · 1 year ago

Ladybug saved Nooroo

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r/miraculousladybug • [8]

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Ladybug's final battle with Monarch was foreshadowed in Illusion, almost scene for scene

Posted by mooonbearr · in r/miraculousladybug · 1 month ago

I was rewatching Season 5 and I realised the clues for how the finale would play out were right under our noses the entire time.

The parallels between the final fight with The Collector in "Illusion" and the S5 finale when Gabriel makes the wish are uncanny, and almost certainly intentional:

a) Chat Noir being immobilised - Adrien being locked away in isolation

b) Ladybug reasoning with The Collector ("Reject the akuma. I'm sure your son loves you and will forgive you.") - Maribug trying to reason with Gabriel for Adrien's sake

c) Gabriel falling down into the sewers - Gabriel sacrificing himself

This makes me wonder, the foreshadowing for Season 6's finale could be revealed in the upcoming episodes in a similar way. Maybe those are the hidden clues the writers hinted at? The ones that are hidden in plain sight throughout the current season. Curious to know what you think!

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Mimiquoi7 · 1 month ago

The finale fight was also foreshadowed in the episode of season 4 Gabriel Agreste with the fairytale of Marc and Nathaniel ! ^^

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Vermarine21 · 1 month ago

Oh geez, I think you're right

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mud_human_307 · 1 month ago

Well they even foreshadowed lila’s arc in episode chameleon

Where lila get akumatized to chameleon and transformed to any person she kissed (just like in s6 she is putting a disguise to stalk marinette or any other character ) Also ladybug saying that she will discover who really is chameleon and lila said that she will discover her identity first (which is similar to the end of London special where lila said lets see who finds out who first)

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Natural_Wall6994 · 1 month ago

Cat Noir being sidelined is common and isn’t just in the Collector and the final battle. In’s in a lot of the episodes. But overall yeah, when I went back for a rewatch, I noticed quite a bit of foreshadowing in the show.

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Thin_Molasses_2561 · 1 month ago

Chat noir being useless happens every episode lmao

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mooonbearr · OP · 1 month ago

yeah but even if we didn't consider Chat Noir being immobilised, with the other two parallels, it's hard not to connect the whole scene to the S5 finale given how similar the two are

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Sunchet · 1 month ago

I can't believe shitty redemption fanfic Gabriel wrote for himself became canon.

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The end card for the season finale of season 5 pisses me off so much

Posted by Rigbo95 · in r/miraculousladybug · 2 years ago

Not only is it painting everything as bubbly and happy as if we didn’t just REDEEM GABRIEL. But like why tf is felix there???? He’s reason everything went to shit at the finale of season 4, like what??😭

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Gibe2008 · 2 years ago

Gabriel did not get redeemed. Well for now in the show, he died a good guy, but I see the truth being revealed soon enough, maybe mid season 6 or end.

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Reasonable_Assist_25 · 2 years ago

Adrienette stans come at me idc. Marinette lying to Adrien was wrong she couldve at least told cat noir but she didnt I am honestly hoping mari and Adrien break up in s6, she doesnt deserve Adrien which is also why it killed me when Adrien said "I am not worthy of your love"

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Gibe2008 · 2 years ago

You don't understand how heavy the secrets Marinette, Félix, Kagami and Nathalie hold. Anyone would struggle to tell someone : "hey your father is the terrorist we were fighting, he was keeping your dead mother in your basement, she died because she created you through magic because she could not have children, your guardian Nathalie knew about it and was working with him and be careful with those ring if you break them you die ! PS : I love you."

Seriously, this is not easy to tell. And let's not forget that Marinette is not the only one to hold the secret.

I have no doubt that many secrets will be revealed during season 6 and some may break the trust between Marinette and Adrien.

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addisonavenue · 2 years ago

How do we know Ladybug won't at some point tell Chat Noir?

Just because it wasn't shown in the finale doesn't mean it's not a conversation or dramatic angle the show won't build towards.

You have to think about how information in shows has to be guided by the economics of time.

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Doodica_ · 2 years ago

It’s a false ending card. For starters Felix shouldn’t be in the hero team, it makes it looks like Cat Noir is important which he isn’t, a few of those people don’t deserve miraculouses, alix being there after being booted off the series makes no sense and viperion (also booted off) won’t stick around long considering he’s a threat to the show.

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CursedEye03 · 2 years ago

Also, why is Alix there? The entire freaking class knows her identity, including Lila and Chloe (the 2 most evil characters in the show)

And why the heck is Felix even there? The entire elite party from Emotion knows his identity, including Kagami's mom. He tried to destroy the entire human race with Red Moon. Heck, he's the reason why Ladybug took the big L in Strike Back!!

I guess a character revealing their identity means nothing at this point lol

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addisonavenue · 2 years ago

It's not like Marinette knows the person who has the Moth at present also knows who Alix is.

It's a totally reasonable assumption for her to entertain Alix's presence.

Luka is the more questionable one to still be in Paris since LB was unable to recover the Moth. It doesn't matter from the superheroes perspective if the Moth is missing or in someone else's hands - the fact they don't have it should be reason enough to send Luka back to Tibet.

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CheeseQueenKariko · 2 years ago

He tried to destroy the entire human race with Red Moon. Heck, he's the reason why Ladybug took the big L in Strike Back!!

Yeah, but like... He gave Marinette information to further his/Kagami's interest, so he's a good guy now?

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Aqua7KH · 2 years ago

Hmmm… now that I think about it, I wonder if the elite maybe thinks he was an Akuma victim rather than the holder of the peacock miraculous? We don’t really know to what extent regular people know about the Miraculouses

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DuelaDent52 · 2 years ago

Alix was sent away because they couldn’t risk Monarch getting her Miraculous, like how Luka had to leave to protect his knowledge. Now that Monarch is gone she can come back home.

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Aqua7KH · 2 years ago

True but the problem is even if Ladybug is exposed, we don’t know what is the consequences of that. Considering the track record of the show… Ladybug could just be like ‘hey I did this because I’m a hero and I had to’ and have the entire thing be justified as her being so incredibly selfless for lying to everyone including Adrien.

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Gibe2008 · 2 years ago

She is not the only one to know the truth. Felix, Kagami, Nathalie know it too. So she has not lied to everyone. Plus in her defense, it's a lie in good faith, there is no bad intentions behind it. But sure it will be exposed at some point.

There are several revelation to make to Adrien and I am sure that it will be one of the main plot of season 6.

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Season 5 Ending Theory

Posted by K0k0TheWarrior · in r/miraculousladybug · 6 years ago

So this is a theory based on the way the show is going at this moment. So the theory is the following:

Part 1;More likely:

The Episode will be a 2 or 3 part episode.At the end of the episode the villain will be defeated,the miraculouses - given to Fu and that will be the end of the show.

Part 2;More likely to be changed:

1.Hawk Moth to be the villain - most shows change the villains every season but Hawk Moth hasn't been changed.I except if he is detroned at the end or the middle of season 3.

2.The final battle will be Hawk Moth vs Cat Noir And Ladybug

PS:Theory number 2 was no way going to work because of the balance thingy so no theory number 2,plus everyone wants a reveal soon so also that part is removed

It's all just a theory,A FILM THEORY

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AnitaNotherhit · 6 years ago

I think it’s too early to speculate season 5. Also reveal is most likely end of season 3

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K0k0TheWarrior · OP · 6 years ago

Again it speculation for the end not primarily season 5.Plus with the way thing have gone i think it will be kept for the end of the show

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Dragonaichu · 6 years ago

I disagree. The show has largely played up how the dynamic between Ladybug and Chat Noir will change when they know each others’ identities. Trust, compatibility, teamwork, etc.

The reveal won’t be the end of the show; there’s too much buildup to what comes after the reveal for it to end on that note. If the dynamic between the two main characters never changes for the entire show, and then the series finale shakes things up, people will be upset and wanting more out of a show that isn’t giving them any more. I’m expecting a season 3 finale to be the reveal, or at least a partial one, with seasons 4 and 5 focusing on how the dynamic has changed between them now that they know.

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AnitaNotherhit · 6 years ago

I disagree but we are entitled to different opinions.

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buzzbuzz20xx · 6 years ago

Dude we barley finished season 2

You're talking about something that's going to happen in 72 episodes

Who knows what the heck could change in between all of that !

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K0k0TheWarrior · OP · 6 years ago

I know but it can be the end of the show and this post is focused on the end of it rather than season 5

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winzmcman · 6 years ago

Naruto had 220 eрisodes in the first season. I can't get used to amount of eрisodes in LadyBug

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Phoenixanass888 · 6 years ago

Hopefully a new antagonist will appear after hawkmoth defeat :

Maybe a worldwide criminal organisation of evil themed-miraculous holders that have kwamis themed-mythical creatures that seek to capture all kwamis in the world so that each one of this member accomplish his and her agenda that way we will see new heroes , new kwamis and new characters.

Or a group of 9 and 10 people that used high technology to capture kwamis for being monsters or weapon of destruction.

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C-Note01 · 6 years ago

This is assuming that Season 5 is the last season.
It's been confirmed that Mayura will HM's boss in S3. So the series finale, whenever it is, will most likely be against HM and Mayura.
Hawkdaddy released doodles of an adult Ladybug. They'll keep their miraculouses even after HM and Mayura are defeated.

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