TL;DR To obtain a commercial pilot license, you need to complete flight training, pass medical exams, and meet specific hour requirements. A degree is not mandatory but can be beneficial for certain airline positions.
Flight Training and Certifications
Obtaining a commercial pilot license involves several steps and certifications. Initially, you must complete ground school and accumulate flight hours. To fly commercially, you need at least 250 hours of flight time [1:4]. For an Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate, which is required for flying with airlines, you need 1500 hours
[2:2],
[3]. The ATP certification allows you to act as the Pilot in Command (PIC) for part 121 operations, which include major airlines
[1:2].
Medical Certification
Passing a medical examination is crucial. For a commercial pilot's license, you typically need a second-class medical certificate, while an ATP requires a first-class medical certificate [2:1],
[2:4]. Disqualifying conditions can prevent you from pursuing this career path
[2:2],
[5:3].
Educational Background
While a degree is not strictly necessary to become a commercial pilot, it may be required by major airlines or cargo companies [5:4],
[5:6]. Smaller operations might hire pilots without a degree, but having one can enhance your job prospects
[5:4].
Costs and Time Investment
The financial investment for becoming a commercial pilot can be significant, ranging from $28k to $35k for initial training [1:6], and potentially over $50k for comprehensive training
[2:4]. In Canada, costs are approximately CAD $70-80k for all ratings
[2:5]. The process can take several years, often around 4-5 years to reach the level needed for flying larger aircraft
[2:2].
Alternative Pathways
For younger individuals considering this career, focusing on core subjects like Mathematics, English Language, and Physics can be beneficial [4:2]. Additionally, gaining early flying experience through gliding can offer valuable skills and knowledge at a lower cost
[4:3],
[4:4].
In summary, becoming a commercial pilot requires dedication, substantial financial investment, and meeting rigorous certification standards. While a degree isn't essential, it can improve employment opportunities with major airlines.
Hi I’m 19 I’m fortunate enough to have my parents my for university but I’m thinking of going to a pilots school for a commercial license. I wanna ask how hard to get a pilot license and what are the hard parts about it
Are you talking about a Commercial Pilots License or becoming an airline pilot? VERY different things.
Can you please elaborate? I’ve always assumed one flowed into the other.
A commercial pilots license allows you to fly for compensation or hire. You can fly part 91 and part 135. An ATP certificate allows you to fly as PIC (captain) of a part 121 operation.
Part 91 is general aviation, survey and patrol work, and in some limited cases being a personal pilot for some rich guy. This isn't a comprehensive list.
Part 135 includes charter services. If you chartered a jet for you and your family that would be part 135.
Part 121 is the airlines like you're thinking of.
To fly in the airlines you need to get your ATP certification, and then also have a minimum of 1,500 hours total flight time.
Most people obtain their CPL at 250-300 hours. There are many fresh CPL pilots and few jobs hiring pilots with 300 hours. So you're more or less forced to become a flight instructor at that point for however long it takes to get 1,500 hours.
In FAA land
Commerical (either single or multi engine) - can get at 250 hours and basically just means you can get compensated and fly professionally.
ATP / Airline transport pilot - requires 1500 hours and allows you to get hired at a 121 carrier or any other carrier that requires an atp. This is what the general public considers to be a “commercial pilot”
Depends on how bad you want it. Fly as much as you can and study between flights. Find a good CFI and stick with them. I’d recommend Pilot Institute for additional help. Good luck!
About 28k-35k depending on what you fly it in. And about 2-3 years. It’s the best investment money can buy as far as a career.
You could tack on another year and got to a college like MTSU and also come out with a 4 year degree for a back up.
I am not a commercial pilot, however I'm a 2,000 hour loadmaster spending most that time in jump seat.
Many kids leave school saddled with debt and no more hireable than when they went in. That won't be the case for pilots. Bowing is predicting we'll need something like 19,000 more pilots by 2030.
Before investing a ton of money, I would get the physical out of the way.
To be a great commercial pilot, you do not need to be a good stick pilot. Instead, you need composure. In all honesty, with how automated planes are, flying has never been easier. Pilots aren't paid for flying A to B. Pilots are paid for when things go wrong. There's no substitute for a composed experienced aviator during an In-flight Emergency.
I flew with some pilots that had more than 5,000 hours. What they found most challenging was taxi-ing at busy airports (I was military so we had some but limited experience with this). You have to perform an After Landing Checklist while ground control is talking to you giving you instructions like "(Callsign) taxi via Alpha, Delta, cross 8 Left, give way to the Emrair on Bravo, cross runway 8 Right, Foxtrot, hold short Foxtrot 5."
Here's an example: https://youtu.be/SwO504223nA?si=QHSu1uFA2JEs5BH8
Many kids leave school saddled with debt and no more hireable than when they went in. That won't be the case for pilots.
Yeah that's highly misleading and incorrect. The economy could get fucked very quickly. Now the $80,000 you're in debt for are useless and picking even more interest.
Get your ratings at a part 61 school part time on the side while you work a full time job. Don't get into debt or take a loan. Especially not with less than a PPL in hand.
Confused on the rant about how pilots find taxiing on busy airports "most challenging" but ok.
OP isn’t from America, before anyone decides to spend time writing a paragraph about how to get there from an American standpoint lol.
I am 25 years old currently, I have very small debt of about 1k, but I live alone in Colorado, so my essential expenses to income is about 50%.
I work for a brokerage firm and have done great for myself being 25 years old, but I never went to college, and I want to be able to accomplish something greater in my life. I have thought about becoming a commercial pilot for many years, but don’t know where to start and how to get my foot in the door with starting a career as a pilot.
Just reaching out to see if anyone is able to share their journey and experience, and if there is a “smart” way to approach things. I would appreciate any and all insight. Thank you!
If you want to become a commercial pilot you have to be able to pass a First Class medical. If you have any disqualifying conditions, this career path is off the table.
When you're done reviewing that link I just gave you, explore the AOPA website to learn more. It's a process that takes, typically, 4-5 years to get to big planes. You have to have a minimum of 1500 hours logged to get your ATP, which means you will be trying to fly as many hours as possible, any way possible, at jobs that don't pay very well.
But it CAN be done, I know several people who are now ATPs that started their journey in 2018 and 2019. One is a long haul cargo 747 pilot, and the other is a passenger airline 737 pilot. Another friend is halfway to 1500 and flying medevacs, but plans to go to the majors once she can.
Congrats your a pilot now. Try not to hit anything and dont fly into icing conditions
Pro tip: Hang out at the local airport and make friends. Sweep the floor for them, hang out and help out with some project. Bring a few beers (Not if you're flying!) Pilots love hanging out with and talking to people about their hobby, and im sure one would be willing to take you up. You never know, you play your cards right and they could help you with some of this training on a discount. (Like just pay for gas and you can use the plane, ect)
A huge thank you! This helps out a bunch
If you have a decent PC, Get yourself a cheap joystick (Just google facebook marketplace for "T Flight Hotas") and give Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 a go. Its not perfect but it can help you get familiar with some things a lot cheaper than a real flight. It even has a built in flight school.
Commercial pilot in the US is going to cost you somewhere easily north of $50K.
If you're serious, first thing to do is see if you can pass a "First Class" medical. If you can pass that, move forward. If not, not much reason to go further.
In canada its about 70-80k cad $ for all your ratings (ppl, cpl, ifr, multi) Or about 20-25k cad for ppl starting from zero (about 65 hours)
Depends on what you mean by commercial. If you're talking flying for the airlines then you need an ATP license and a first class medical. If you're talking just a commercial license so that you can fly for hire, meaning flying smaller planes with passengers, for tours, or flying cargo or flying as someones personal pilot it's a commercial license and a second class medical minimum. Best thing to do is find a local flight school and take a discovery flight to see if you even like it. It's a tiny investment and you'll fly with a CFI that can answer more questions for you. Go from there but like someone said if you're talking ATP and can't pass the first class medical for some reason you need to rethink things. Maybe the second class and commercial.
I’m not really informed too much on the academics/qualifications it takes to becoming a commercial pilot. Can someone provide me with some knowledge on this. I am in my low 20s.
I know you need 1500hrs, ground school, and licenses/qualifications. I’m not new to aviation, just new to the pilots side of things, as I have my A&P and work for a major. Just need some guidance on the steps it takes to pursue as this is something I’d want to do in my future.
Sorry if I sound repetitive lol
r/flying FAQs would be a great place to start. There are also lots of posts there with tons of information.
I am in year 9 and I am picking my options. Can someone tell me what I need to have a commercial pilot license.
Brilliant writeup from Guppie below, and as I am currently in a UAS I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.
Okay so technically, there are no entry requirements to work towards your PPL and further, although it will cost you roughly 60k out of pocket, and you will likely not get picked up by anyone with no degree or a levels, so let me help out:
Focus on getting high passes and above in your core subjects, specifically Mathematics, English Language and Physics. Alot of academies will want a grade 5-6 and above in Mathematics and Physics if possible.
In terms of choices, choose what you enjoy, there is no magic formula to become a pilot in terms of choices outside of the core 3 subjects. I would personally advise getting your A Levels aswell, I'd reccomend Maths, Physics and a Humanities subject, although to my knowledge their are no specific A Level disciplines required for an ATPL.
As stated by Guppie in his brilliant writeup, a language will not be neccesary, as by law all communications are in English, although having some cultural awareness and knowledge will be beneficial.
It's a very competitve path, and you have to be the best you can be, although you will not have to worry about the competition if you're the right fit. Try your best, be willing to pay, smash it and good luck mate.
Summary: good core subject grades, ideally 2 stem and 1 humanities a levels if possible/desired, have money or be very competitive for a scholarship.
Late to the party here, but my dads a pilot, and he’s told me that you only really need a grade 5 in maths (ideally a 6, shouldn’t really matter though), the airlines don’t mind what you take at gcse, so just pick what you enjoy. If you want to learn to fly early though and gain some flying experience before a PPL then I’d recommend learning to fly gliders, you can learn from 13 and fly solo at 14, and at the moment claim an SPL from 16, most clubs give under 25 members cheaper flying rates making it relatively affordable for most people (depending on how much you fly), it’s often cheaper then golf! It might help you stand out from the crowd but isn’t necessary.
For reference, i'm a student pilot with 15 hours flight time training for my PPL, to eventually be a commercial pilot.
You need to have an ATPL (Airline Transport Pilots Licence) to be a commercial pilot. This requires you to take 9 theory exams and do real training in an aircraft and simulator.
One way to do this is to get on an 'Integrated' course, where the exams and training is done in a large package, with a training organisation such as SkyBorne or Leading Edge Aviation. These are simple and quick, but cost around 110,000 pounds.
You may also find scholarships for this, such as the British Airways Speedbird academy, where you do an Integrated course for free.
Technically, for the integrated route and its scholarships, the entrance requirement are 5 GCSE's at a pass (4). However, these are popular and difficult to get onto, so having good GCSE's, a Private Pilots Licence and maybe some A-Levels will help with selection on these.
The other route is 'Modular', where you do the training at your requirement, funded by you and in your control. These are cheaper, around 60,000 pounds but depending on your location could be as low as 40k (Can't believe I'm calling 40k low!).
Technically, there's no entrance requirements for this, so you don't need anything, as its in your control.
So, I would recommend trying hard for a good grade in maths and physics, as these are key topics in ATPL exams. Try to take triple science if you can. Otherwise, maybe take geography and do subjects you enjoy and find easy.
Don't take a language, its super hard and not needed as all pilots around the globe speak English by law.
If you have the money, try to learn for your Private Pilots License, its great fun and teaches you how to fly light aircraft, and is required for your ATPL, so you'll be doing it anyway. It costs around 8-10 thousand pounds and you can start learning at 14 years old.
If not, try to take a Trial Flight at your local airfield for Xmas/Birthday. These give you a taste of aviation and also are good experience for interviews on Integrated Courses.
I Hope thats helpful, there's no real requirement so go with the flow, being a pilot is difficult and if you can't get the medical, you can't fly, so be sure to consider a backup career.
Have fun flying if you do, It's great fun :)
TL;DR - Focus on Maths and Physics, Try to take Triple Science. Otherwise, consider geography and take subjects you enjoy. Be sure to consider a backup career and its requirements incase you can't be a pilot for medical reasons.
Great advice. One quick note for op, one option for flying experience is gliding. It won't mean anything for progressing to an ATPL but it will give you experience of very pure flying and great meteorological knowledge that, when compared to a PPL, is practically free. Glider fields are common in the UK, and membership is often <£200 for juniors. Flying rates are often <£50 per hour and instructors are entirely free.
You just need 5 gcses at grade 5 or above
However tui would want you to have a grade 6 in maths if you want to get into there mpl
Plus they don't care what gcse you do as long as you get the grades they don't t care
travel and tourism fr
Dunno, I Looked into that and it seems more Cabin Crew orientated.
Definitely a good idea, though.
oh I don't have a clue what travel and tourism involves I was just like it sounds like planes so I said it 😭😭
To help you out, to be a commercial pilot you don't need a degree. But you're really asking about becoming an airline or cargo pilot, which is how people are answering.
Your post history makes me think a first class medical is a bigger barrier than lack of a degree. Not impossible to get the medical certificate, but you will have an uphill battle.
I know a kid that took anti depressant meds many years ago and had been trying to get his medical for years now to no avail. He’s doing fine now(I think) and it’s understandable that the FAA would take stuff like that seriously but moral of the story is they do not mess around with medications that’s for sure.
Yes and No
Which commercial companies hire? and Can you elaborate?
So smaller cargo operations and maybe some air ambulance will hire you without a degree. Major airlines and major cargo companies will require it. It may be a lot more common after COVID, but regionals may also hire you without a degree. But don’t count on it after the pandemic, who knows....
No
Do most companies require it ? Like to fly cargo/passenger planes?
Nope, just felt like asking and getting answers to my follow up questions...
Why don't you use the damn search function to find the most frequently asked question on this forum?
When I got my CCL in Washington state a few years ago, all I had to do was get fingerprinted, go through a background check and wait until my CCL came in the mail. No live fire test or written test required.
I'm surprised that for such a liberal state, the CCL requirements are so lax.
My state requires a 16 hour class which includes range time. Need to hit within a silhouette with like 20 out of 25 rounds at different distances (i think it was like 7, 10, 15, 20 yards?) some folks in my class didn't own any firearms and were 100% beginners and no one failed the range portion. The inclass portion had a quize but was mostly discussion on laws and discussing scenarios (along with a visit from a US Law Shield rep......)
I have a Maryland as well.
The live fire exercise is:
Start with 5 mags loaded with 5 rounds each.
3 yards: 3 seconds for 1 round x5
5 yards: 5 seconds for 2 rounds x2, 5 seconds for 1 round + reload x1, 5 seconds for 2 rounds x2, 5 seconds for 1 round.
7 yards: 5 seconds for 2 rounds x2, 5 seconds for 1 round.
15 yards: 6 seconds for 1 round x5.
Any hits within a man-sized silhouette counts, you need 18/25 hits to succeed. That really means all you need to do is land all of your shots at 3 and 5 yards, and 3/5 shots at 7 yards, to pass.
If the live fire exercise taught me anything, it's how many people apply for CCLs that are woefully unprepared to actually carry. The live fire exercise is easy as fuck and yet we had people in my class who needed two attempts to pass. A dinner plate-sized grouping at 3 yards with 3 seconds to aim means you are not currently capable of properly handling a gun.
To add to that, Utah was just mailing a form, fingerprints, photo and $. DC is the most difficult one I've encountered so far (and am still waiting for) as it required the class, but then you have to go submit the application in person and the employees there seem to like giving vague instructions and no clarification (told me to go pay at a kiosk, i asked if there was some kind of app # i had to enter to pull up my info and was told "itll make sense when you get there" and to select the options that "add up to $110")
In Illinois an 18 hour course spread over 2 days is the max required time commitment (cost of course, finger printing, and submission to the State police) and 30 rounds on target from 10 and 15 feet. A majority of them had to be on target. You were allowed a couple of misses, but I don't know how many. I didn't have any that did. That was all.
Also in Illinois. My CCL teacher was excellent, he just covered the common sense stuff and did a speed run of the 16 hour course. The live fire was just shooting a 22 at 10 feet, I don't think it was possible to fail. Overall, it was a minor time commitment but very easy.
The Illinois shooting test was stupidly easy, if it's not the first time you handled a gun, I think you'd have to actively force yourself to fail.
In Va, I just sat through a 3-4 hour ppt presentation and filed at the district court house for it. No testing or fingerprinting.
Wisconsin. There’s an education requirement, but they accept hunters safety as the education. That, in turn, can be done completely online, live fire training for that is optional. Once you’ve met the education requirements it’s an online application and fee, and I got my permit in the mail in about a week. So I was able to get a CCW permit without ever touching a firearm. I realized I had no idea what I was doing, and got training after the fact.
No requirements for veterans if you provide a copy of your DD-214
I agree. If you consider that many that get a CC have potentially never held a firearm before or since it's a little unnerving.
I'm in PA.
The $10 fee and the 5 minute wait to have the picture for my card taken was a real burden./s
Sus, very sus.
"CCL requirements are so lax"
Are they lax? or are they what they SOULD be....
I'm a rated pilot, in the US. Just wondering how long/how much time I need to set aside to do this. I don't need the cert.
Is this something I can work on in my down time at work? Or is this something need to set some time aside for on the weekend?
If you’re a rated pilot, it’s like 5 minutes. Login to the same place you take WINGS courses and take the part 107 for part 61 pilots course. After that it’s just IACRA stuff.
I will note that the IACRA stuff is the hard part. I did the work and tried to submit the paperwork to my FSDO and they literally had no idea what I was talking about and I eventually gave up and decided to just fly sub-250 recreationally.
I just had a CFI friend sign off my IACRA. I think any CFI or DPE can submit it, it doesn’t have to be the FSDO.
Since I'm already a private pilot, I did this during my lunch. Hardest part was tracking down my CFI to sign off (which wasn't hard).
Just take the test, and register your drone and you are done
Thanks for the feedback back guys. I started working on it this afternoon. So far it's been pretty quick and easy. I have one section left, and have had a ton of distractions. If I was to buckle down and focus I think you could probably do the entire training in 2-3 hours. Maybe another hour for IACRA.
Google is free
Do you know what else is free?
LOL, probably shutting the F up :)
But honestly, c'mon man, you say you're a rated pilot - if that's true you already know as much or more about the part 107 test than most certified drone pilots. I think your vote score also reflects the inanity of your question.
If you are already a rated pilot I would think you could go take it without any issues and pass but I don’t think you have too. If you are a part 61 you have to have had a flight review in the past 2 years and do the online training course and you will be certified.
As a non pilot no prior flight experience other than flying drones for fun for years I did my part 107 though pilot institute and highly recommend. I started the course on Friday at 5 and took the exam Monday and passed with a high score. It wasn’t the easiest but not hard either. The pilot institute has been a great asset to be able to utilize for rule changes or refreshers
Hey, so basically i want to become a commercial pilot, but i have questions i cant ask my parents bc they don't know about this kinda stuff so i'm hopeing this will help me (and the school councilor is bad at her job soooo) What flight schools are good options(i'm in floridia but i have people in arizona)? Is it a good idea to take out a loan or should i just work while i'm doing it? are there summer jobs or school courses that will help me in the future? What subjects should i put the most effort into? im stupid short so i hope there's no requirements/restrictions about that? should i do an accelerated program? should i go out of state for flight school? should i go to collage/university first and get a degree (if so what degree?) i have a decent eyesight that easily correctable with glasses and i have pretty good grades so neither of those should be a problem. i know this is a lot of questions but i want to make sure i do it properly.
it’s a really cool career that has the potential to be very low paying but also could be very high paying. Depends on your timing and luck and effort.
Before you commit, go do a discovery flight!
Thanks so so so much!
The best careers are when you know what you want at a young age.
Just do ROTC or a military academy. That’s an easy way to get flight hours, then transition out or stay.
I did a million careers and am 40. When I got out of active duty enlisted at 20, I joined ROTC at 22 and later became a lieutenant through that program. While I was in, 1 guy became a dentist, 2 lawyers through JAG and 3 pilots. All friends, we’d go drinking and chasing girls.
It happens fast, it’s not that hard, you can do it. If you want to be a pilot, surgeon, sniper, attorney. It’s all pretty easy and debt free via the military. That’s advise I’d give my son too.
Something I wish I did was join the Air Force right out of high school so after those 4 years the military will pay for my flight training. There’s no reason to go in debt or take a loan when those 4 years go by so quick. Get a simple job in the Air Force like an office job. After those 4 years you’ll be 22 and plenty of time to have an amazing career in aviation.
How do you get military to pay for everything?
Active duty for at least 4 years and you get a GI BILL(scholarship name).
this is what i’m doing but in the navy
Yup!! I wish someone gave me that advice growing up. I had no idea and my husband wished he did the same. Plus after that you add the military to your resume which is pretty cool.
-Get a medical first -Fly some before joining any school strictly for aviation. I would recommend getting a PPL during college. -The fork in the road starts in college — military or civilian route? ROTC? OCS? ANG or Reserve slot (I recommend this route). With glasses, the mil route is probably a no go however. -Do well in school and finish college -pursue Mil or Civ route. -there are many opportunities to have something block you from becoming a commercial pilot, health mainly but also attitude and ability, so have a back up career in mind if possible and be ready to shift because the economic cycle with airlines can be brutal.
Time and money depends entirely on which country you live and have the right to work. You also need to define what you mean by commercial pilot. A commercial pilot just has the ability to legally get paid to fly, not necessarily an airline pilot.
In the US if you want to be an airline pilot you must be 21.
And have an ATP and Type rating. Both of these can be given to you by the airline that hires you so you will need all the flight experience required for an ATP (ATP mins).
18
Do you know how long it takes to become a pilot
Depends. Some people get their private certificate in a month, some in a year.
Months to years depending on how often you train. Some schools can knock all your ratings out in a few months if you have the time and money.
7 months, 3 days and 6 hours
Depends on how much disposable money you have.
Hi! I am a 29 year old from Chicago interested in becoming a commercial pilot. What are the best ways to learn and gain my certifications? I have heard a lot of mixed opinions about schools, especially that they tend to drain money from students and not necessarily provide good teaching.
Does anyone here have a process that they would recommend? Should I attend a school? Should I find a smaller aviation club and learn there? Any and all info would be very helpful since I am starting from square one!
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Thanks all!
The FAQ has a ton of information. Circle back here if you have additional questions not answered there.
Thanks!
> Does anyone here have a process that they would recommend? Should I attend a school? Should I find a smaller aviation club and learn there?
There is no set in stone method. Since everyone learns differently, you will need to find the "system" that works for you.
The biggest differentiator, especially at the beginning, is the quality of the instructor. No matter if it is at the top end big time outfit with brand new shiny expensive airplanes, or the small sleepy airport place with a high time paint peeling trainer aircraft, if you are paired with an instructor who is unable to teach you, or is unable to connect with your way of learning, the experience will be long, painful, and expensive. But on the flip side, if you can find someone who has a real gift of teaching and a passion for aviation, then you can progress quickly, have fun, and possibly progress rapidly.
So as you investigate an individual school, don't neglect inquiring about the individual instructors. Perhaps start with a personal inventory of how you successfully learn new information and skills. Then sharing that information with the chief instructor may aid in being paired with the right instructor for you.
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Other items are covered in the FAQ's. Also, there are many other e-books on this subject and can be found by googling.
Awedome advice, thank you for sharing your insight!
Read the FAQ.
requirements for a commercial pilot license
Key Requirements for a Commercial Pilot License (CPL)
Age: You must be at least 18 years old to apply for a CPL.
Language Proficiency: You need to demonstrate proficiency in English, as it is the international aviation language.
Medical Certificate: Obtain a second-class medical certificate from an authorized aviation medical examiner, ensuring you meet the health standards required for flying.
Flight Hours:
Written Exam: Pass the FAA (or relevant authority) written knowledge test covering topics such as flight theory, navigation, weather, and regulations.
Checkride: Successfully complete a practical flight test (checkride) with an FAA examiner, demonstrating your flying skills and knowledge.
Endorsements: Obtain necessary endorsements from your flight instructor for specific training areas, including solo flight and checkride preparation.
Recommendation: Start your training with a reputable flight school that offers a structured program and experienced instructors. This will help you meet all requirements efficiently and prepare for both the written exam and checkride. Additionally, consider building flight hours through a private pilot license (PPL) first, as it lays a solid foundation for your CPL training.
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