Great point ethical sourcing isn’t just about origin stories, it’s about the entire supply chain. Transparent logistics, third-party audits, and traceable sourcing systems are key. Without verified accountability from raw materials to delivery, even the most beautiful product can hide unethical practices.

Those aren’t signs; rising debt levels & spending more on debt servicing, QoQ in retail sales declines, internet traffic, manufacturing issues, management changes, lowering of financial outlook guidelines, etc

Basically diving into their 10-K, 10Q & investor updates will give a better outlook, changing markdown days is just marketing fluff.

I love lulu but it’s expensive plus in this economy I can see them not making a huge profit. They should lower prices.

I have no qualifications to justify this but in my mind we'd be seeing better/greater markdowns if the company was actually struggling. They have such a huge profit margin that they could easily sell leggings for $29 and still be making a profit so my guess is they're testing out increasing prices and putting items "on sale" for what they were before the price increase to see if buyers bite.

I honestly just think things are going on sale because it’s that time of year where clothing companies start making the transition to fall

I'm literally on the same quest. Please keep me posted if you find anything! I've sent a few emails. No replies yet.

try emailing these companies to find out more? i think liforme and manduka are pretty responsive, gaiam i have no experience with

Honestly, I don't care if liforme kills dogs to make yoga mats. I'll stick with them as long as I can get on a mat.

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I've never considered lululemon to be a luxury brand. I buy their stuff because their leggings are literally the only brand that my thighs don't rip through and I keep reading about how they are a highly rated company to work for. So long as that's the case, I'll keep buying.

P.S. This is a really interesting post, though. I don't know a lot about what constitutes fast fashion, so this is educational.

The bulk of my Lulu is from this era and all of it is holding up beautifully. I prefer my leggings from this time than anything they have currently. I have also have a pullover from 2012 that I still wear every winter and it’s in better condition than the pullovers I bought in 2020.

If you're in Canada, the original company that made them for Lululemon is still around!

Same, even pre 2012, like around 2007-2008, items were still made in Canada and quality was superior. I had a scuba hoodie (that I stupidly gave away) and it’s quality was unmatched! It was thick, warm, stretch panel in the right places, and incomparable to the scuba hoodies that are selling now. I even still have a pair of yoga pants from lulu at that time and quality of those are unmatched too! The material never pulled or snagged like it does now.

TBH I blame the lulu fans. They will buy anything that Lulu throws at them. If people were more selective instead of buying 28372181 scubas in a slightly different shade than the company would have an incentive * to put out better products.

That being said between my discount and WMTM I get lulu cheaper than other brands like Alo.

lab used to be SO LEGIT with style and fabric, i still have some first run lab pieces i grabbed on wmtm and i feel so lucky because now im geniunely like WTF happened to lab 😂 i try to explain to people that Lab was the perfect lulu streetstyle label before but i sound crazy because now its just overpriced trash 😂

this! while i still have some pairs, i cry whenever i think about my old lulu that i sold, thinking the new stuff was "better quality because its new". its not 😩🥲

the attention to detail in those years was also unmatched.

i still have stuff from 2005, when they didnt have ecommerce and you had to go to this tiny showroom in a repurposed apartment in soho (nyc) to buy it. not a pill to be found on any of the clothes i bought back then, they definitely “wal-mart-ized” themselves and cut production quality so they could scale and be profitable. they dont make my favorite tanks anymore (back on track and no limits) so i am not sure what i am going to do when i wear out what i have. i scour ebay for new with tags in those styles but i think ive bought most of what exists in my size 😂

I'm not convinced this is a good thing - it could encourage people to just mass-buy WMTM items and return them to stores. This in turn limits the amount of stuff available online for people who don't have a local store, and costs LLL money for shipping which will likely be passed on to us in terms of pricing.

I appreciate being able to return things that don't fit, but I feel that there should be limits to prevent it from being abused.

Super happy about this and immediately bought some items on my wishlist! But I’m curious how this will affect WMTM in the future… more competition for in-demand items? Definitely more options in-store from returns… things that are online, but sometimes it’s nice to see it in person. Will lulu add more WMTM now to keep up with demand?

I spoke to an educator in-store this week about the Sweat Collective verification process and he said that no one should lose their current discount unless you are asked to re-verify and you don't.

I can confirm the code still works on my in-cart items after accepting the membership update.

Returnable in store only might as well be no change for me… there’s a reason I have to shop online in the first place 🤷🏻‍♀️

This is definitely helpful!! About damn time.

If a serious effort was made to do that it would be responded to by industry lobbyists to come up with some very similar and meaningless labels.

Corporations have already had loopholes for this for quite sometime.

You are at least aware that it is impossible to avoid. So many people think that they make ethical consumption options when in many cases none exist.

I want to know easily as well, but TBH I'm a little scared to be confronted by that information. It's probably a lot more products than we think, and probably enough to make our lives a lot more difficult if we act according to our conscience.

I hear you, but slavery was only ended* by government decree, not by consumer choice. The same thing needs to happen here -- wealthy countries need to reduce trade with countries that don't take reasonable steps to end slavery within their borders.

*On here before some pedant says "There's still slavery in the US." Sure, but it's illegal and hidden slavery and the government works to stop it, which is a very different situation from 1850.

Here’s a list of chocolatiers not connected to child slavery- the list is actually long and Tony’s is not one of them.

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I can afford Lululemon. I've just stopped buying it. I was buying a few pieces almost weekly from the new drops and WMTM. For me, it's a problem of not listening to their customers when making unwanted changes to their top products, shipping destroying my packages and products, and, those little unwanted changes they've made to those star products...well...they've decreased the quality of some of my favorite items. I'm now buying second hand items from past releases. But, honestly, after the last two years I've kinda fallen out of love with LLL. Same thing happened with another one of my favorite brands during the pandemic. Lack of transparency and making unwarranted changes to products and lying to customers that nothing has changed. I've made it over a month without any new purchases, I'm going to try to make it through the rest of 2022 without buying anything from their website or store. I love this sub because of the honest reviews on products. So, I'll keep my ear to the ground and wait to see if things have changed for the better in the next 6 months. Something's off about LLL for me.

I’m 100% aware I’m not the target audience. I’ve been a customer since 2010 but the days of me spending full price on items that just arrived in store that day are long over with the prices they are at now. I’ve paid full price for a few items (like a black AEJ) that are more versatile.

That said, at all of our local stores including the outlet, they’re ringing people up pretty much non-stop. I’ve even stopped by the mall at 10:30 am on a weekday and there are people buying full price merchandise. I went to a larger LLL store this weekend and they had stanchions because there were so many people in line and like 5-6 cashiers ringing nonstop. I’ve checked store inventory and some of our larger stores are getting 4 items per size per color.

He’s not wrong. They’ve been using air freight to get product to stores since we reopened in 2020 so price increases were inevitable at some point unfortunately.

I haven’t been ordering from lulu, not only are releases boring, I’m not on board with all the price increases. Of course we’re going to see some rise in prices with the state of the economy but they’re going above and beyond to ensure their own pockets are lined. 5-8% would be reasonable but many of these increases are 10-20%.

I have 0 interest in their sense knit line, $100 for leggings is a splurge and a special treat to me, spending close to $200 on workout leggings is just not my vibe 😵‍💫 Similarly, their slides are $68 cad so I’d be spending over $70 on summer slides; I personally think that a $48 (even $58!) price tag would be a lot more competitive with other brands, I can get Nike/adidas/under armour slides for $30-$50 (hey even $25 with a sale!) so the $68 tag just doesn’t really make sense.

ETA: if the prices increases do bother you and impact your spending with lululemon, don’t just share your thoughts here- make sure you’re reaching out to the company to let them know, curb your spending for a little while. “customers so far aren't balking at higher prices on the retailer's leggings and sports bras, Chief Executive Officer Calvin McDonald said Thursday.”

Yeah - it’s not so much a money issue for me anymore. Their stuff has gotten kinda boring. Lots of the same blah silhouettes

Question regarding the retail/less-than thread: how do taxes/shipping figure into this? If you’re selling for a retail+tax/shipping, does it belong there? Or is that thread specifically for out-the-door cost being less than retail?

Mostly asking out of curiosity and future reference

I love this idea!! I feel like the current thread gets hard to keep track of sometimes. Thanks for doing this ��

Thank you! The sub looks great.

Thank you for creating that. If items are posted as separate posts it makes it so much easier to search them on reddit (especially for details in title). Searching in comments is virtually impossible (in my experience).

Awesome!!

I personally don’t think this has anything to do with sustainability for them. I think they’ve observed how lucrative the resale market is and they are looking to capture the revenue for themselves (or remove items from the resale market that are undercutting their sales). I’ll be curious to see the gift card values and the resale prices to see if it’s actually competitive with current resale rates. Even if it’s not competitive they’ll still be capturing the segment of people who cluelessly/lazily donate their garments.

"For items that don’t make the quality cut, lululemon will recycle them through a longstanding partnership with Canadian reverse logistics firm Debrand."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pymnts.com/news/retail/2021/lululemon-joins-secondhand-clothing-trend-with-like-new-recommerce-unit/amp/

I too would be interested to see how much they actually “give back” for the item. If I’m only going to get a $30 gift card for EUC Wunder Unders or $5 for a CRB, for example, I’d rather keep it, donate or resell on another platform.

I don't know what they actually give people for them but they resell them for not much of a discount. I found a pair of Aligns in a color that I'd been looking for and they were $70.