Yes, the becoming famous part was to keep them away from Derry. I am not sure about the no kids part. Maybe it was a sub conscious effort because they knew they would have to go back one day.

Because IT kept them from being able to have children, to force them to come back and face IT again. They're unfinished business.

Say what you will about Chapter 2 but that was a great cast they got for the adult characters. I'd watch that group make another movie together any day

The fame and money was because IT touched them and that transferred great 'luck' more or less. There is even a part iirc that pennywise was even trying to negotiate with someone, saying he can touch them and they will become rich/famous.

The childless thing was a subconscious effort on their part to keep the child-magic with them and not pass it on to their kids something about being a parent kills that magic or something. That way even though they would come back as adults and the chances of beating IT. It would be worse than being kids still but they would have a chance.

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Man looking at this picture you can tell there was some good casting decisions for the adults based on face structure. But they obviously said fuck it to get Bill Haydar as Richie.

Popular fan theory for not being able to have children is interference from The White so that one day they would go back and finish what they started. If they had children they would have been far less likely to risk their lives 

The way SK writes the Losers and how they bond with each other is my favorite thing about the novel.

IT is one of the most beautiful books ever written because it is full of hope, goodness, and friendship.

Especially when it comes to friendship, IT is the most profound and inspiring book there is.

If you want to understand, as a human being, why friendship matters in human existence—what it is made of and how to find and keep it in times of hardship, challenge, or when facing all possible bullies of this world—physical, social, emotional, or spiritual—IT is the book of books. Nothing else comes close.

...from which novel?

I've read It several times and this is always the chapter I look forward reading the most.

I love how we really get to know Ben and how he decides to stand up for himself against Bowers. But I also really love King's prose and descriptions, from how Ben images the lives that are taking place behind the houses he passes, how you can really feel the school going quiet when he helps miss Douglas with the book counting, to how you can feel the cold during the winter flashback. It's all so vividly written.

The way he writes the kids is what I love most about the book. He absolutely nails those feelings and how it was.

I recently read the stand for the first time, and even though I watched the made for tv series countless times, I kept picturing Harold as Hurley from lost.

The Ben chapter might be my all time favorite chapter in any King novel, it's s so well written!

Yup! It feels sooo nostalgic, even though it’s set years before I was a kid

Don't worry, you'll only cry like 4 or 5 more times.

I think he's more of an incel. Still a loser, but a different flavor.

u/wolfapider82 said the Losers, as in the kids part of the Losers Club in It.

Also, Harold Lauder may be a creep but he is one of King's best written characters.

Losing = died = sleeping with the fishes.

My guess is Caine had a bad pun planned. But lost interest in the game.

Most likely, maybe it's just fishy looks cool

Ambiente.

Also judging by the half assed banner and the simple sitbenches maybe the room always had an aquarium and was just repurposed.

Probably only as decor like in a dentist office

Damn I like this theory

Stan the Man had the shine, that's for sure. The way he used his bird book and names. And that he remembered...well, a good deal of it.

They all shined a bit. Probably quite a bit at times. And in that summer of 58? They would have turned Rose the Hat into a mist. They were filled with Gan then. How did Bill put it, thinking of Mike; they sat in the peak seat of eternity.

They're probably gunslingers too. At least a couple.

I would just go back to what Dick Halloran said about the Shining in the book.

“Am I the only one you ever met?” he asked.

Hallorann laughed and shook his head. “No, child, no. But you shine the hardest.”

“Are there lots, then?”

“No,” Hallorann said, “but you do run across them. A lot of folks, they got a little bit of shine to them. They don’t even know it. But they always seem to show up with flowers when their wives are feelin blue with the monthlies, they do good on school tests they don’t even study for, they got a good idea how people are feelin as soon as they walk into a room. I come across fifty or sixty like that. But maybe only a dozen, countin my gram, that knew they was shinin.””

Most people have a bit of shining in them. Oftentimes not enough to make any tangible difference. But considering that The Losers Club were a united force under the great Turtle, their shine may have been enhanced by being Ka-Tet.

They were definitely a ka tet. Would make since they could shine a bit

Originally, the Nerds would turn on Jimmy after Paparazzi (blaming him for the Jocks anger), but it's not unlikely that Gary turned the Nerds on Jimmy off screen (the way Algie says "Pee stain" and "Now you need my help" would indicate either A) Gary has tricked them, or B) Jimmy is much worse to the Nerds off screen).

All the Cliques (besides the Bullies because of Russell) turned on Jimmy because things went from bad to worse during the early days of his reign because it's easier to blame the one in charge (not helped by the fact of Gary's lies about Jimmy), and Jimmy didn't have the Cliques respect at the time.

Jocks, felt like chapter 4 was rushed and we didn't get more moments with Ted in order to know him better, like Johnny in chapter 3.

I think I agree. The nerds are sneaky, treacherous little cowards and it felt really frustrating that I had to side with them and especially do the mission where you take pictures of Mandy for them.

To be fair, Jimmy 'helped' the nerds only because he would be rewarded with something like money from them

Most frustrating clique would be the jocks and the greasers bcuz they tend to hit me for no reason at all

The skateboard kid in the Walking Tours chapter of Grown-Ups mentions a friend of his seeing It as a massive great white shark in the Derry canal.

There's a new TV series called welcome to derry coming out soon, and I believe it's a prequel to IT, so that might be worth a watch when it comes out.

IT seems to stalk many of its prey for a while. Some people like George Denbrough, it used a different approach on, but some like Bill Denbrough it enjoyed taunting. I’m sure there are many kids in Derry who encountered IT many times before their eventual demise. 

I don't recall evidence from IT but I know that in other books -- thinking THE TOMMYKNOCKERS right now -- people see Pennywise and don't get attacked

The book makes it seem like they’re the only kids to discuss their experiences with each other

When Bill and Richie meet him as the werewolf in the Neibolt Street basement, and then escape on Bill’s bike. Terrifying.

Adult Bev for me. In the miniseries, Bev kind of conks out over the sink and there's this loud, harsh "HEY" that freaks me out.

The idea that you're alone with Pennywise, that's It's just over in the other room is so spoopy

When bowers sees him in the insane asylum and he sees him as the moon. Thought that was super cool and creepy

The description of the Black Spot fire is so horrifying and disturbing enough that it really gets you into the worst state of mind before It shows up as that god damn bird. Mike's dad saying it hovered was creepy enough but "It didn't hover... it floated" gives me chills just thinking about it.

When IT was able to fix my laptop. I’d been spilling milk on it regularly and IT was able to save it without losing my data.

I watched all episodes & loved each one! The storytelling is great and gets you hooked!

The marathon runner’s story was pretty amazing. I also loved Jack Ryan’s story - it’s like it came straight out of a movie!

Edit: I’m also hoping for more seasons. I feel like there are so many more stories to share.

I watched 4 episodes today. I really like this, I hope they do another season. I feel so bad for Jean, though. ��

I am binging through the series now....and boy is this a gem. I can't believe that this show isn't more popular. I think it is great to watch and really get to know the sports from the view of the "I could have been a champion, I could have been a contender".

Yeah, his competitors didn't hold back on him. That's for damn sure. Also, thanks for the recommendation. Now I know how I'm spending the rest of my lazy Sunday.

I’m super impressed with this show. The one about the desert marathon was amazing. Great writing and great animation showing the details.

Yep. What they did to Mike/his family was an absolute travesty. He was the only loser with a solid/stable family, and that played a large role in him being the linchpin for staying in Derry, keeping watch, and ultimately bringing them back together to defeat Pennywise.

I don't know. I didn't have a big problem with it on its own, but I'm not sure that the abused becoming abusers is a good allegory, even if it is against the abuser. there are many ways to stand up to abuse that don't involve actually becoming a bully. that's more like letting abuse infect and degrade a person from within.

and contextually the whole thing is a little off as, at least in the books but still shown in the films, the thing was about fear rather than abuse. fear as a force, and how fear can only harm us when we allow it that power. that the power of imagination and belief carries a magic that is stronger than fear. That's why the ritual was so great in the book even if some parts of it (like cosmic space turtles) seem ridiculous

I mean abuse was obviously a big theme in the books but IT was not necessarily the abuser, but rather fed on the abused by tapping their traumas to elevate their fear. until they say "NO, my trauma does not rule me and you can't hurt me". the human abusers, unfortunately, can hurt them (even if we see some good fightback eventually). but IT, as a cosmic force that is given power only by our minds, cannot.

Yeah, for me its really that bad.

Tonally, it's a mess. There's zero sense of dread and almost no suspense. Almost every scare is undermined with a bad joke. The CGI is laughable throughout, especially when it comes to de-aging the kids. The "searching for totems" addition was a waste of time in an already bloated movie. Bill, Ben, and Bev were given almost nothing to do, wasting a very talented cast.

Stan's letter is heartfelt, but it also cheapens the horror. In the novel, Stan kills himself because he's so freaking terrified of facing IT again that he would rather die. Instead it was turned into a noble sacrifice. Bleh.

If you can completely divorce it from the book, I guess it's a decent modern jump scare movie. But even then it's hard to overlook all of the stupid freaking jokes. To me, it felt like they wanted to mash together a Marvel movie with a horror movie, and it just didn't work.

I just recently rewatched both movies. While I really like both, Chapter 1 is clearly the better film. IMO a big reason why is that Chapter 2 is a full hour longer than Part 1 and suffers as a result.

While all the adults in Chapter 2 were fine enough, the standout performance for me was definitely Bill Hader as Richie. This isn’t by coincidence either; Finn Wolfhard had recommended Hader as Richie right from the get-go, and he was right.

In many ways Hader IS a real life version of Richie and he was the perfect casting choice. He had me laughing throughout the movie, and he had crying by the end.

And yes, Steven King stated that he didn’t write Richie (or Eddie) as gay, nor did he write that Richie had a deep unrequited love for Eddie. However, King approved the change wholeheartedly saying “it’s one of those things that’s kind of genius, because it echoes the beginning [with Adrian Mellon’s gay bashing]. It comes full circle. At least there’s love involved. Somebody cares for [Eddie,] and that echoes the love that Adrian’s partner has for him. So that was cool.”

Though it wasn’t intended to be written that way, ever since the book came out people had been speculating about their feelings for each other, so this didn’t feel out of place. Quite unlike a lot of movies where they change a character’s orientation just for the sake of checking off a diversity box without really adding anything to the story.

Richie’s story felt compelling and real because it fits. And with Finn Wolfhard’s and Bill Hader’s performances, you felt every moment of it. Poor Richie :(

James Ransone was also a good choice for Adult Eddie, and he really managed to capture the essence of Jack Grazer’s performance as young Eddie from the first film. Ransone and Hader definitely had great chemistry together.

As for Stan’s letter… I never got the feeling that it was a borderline endorsement of suicide. Stan THOUGHT that he was doing the right thing, but my impression was that this was a tragic mistake on his part. Bill certainly didn’t seem comforted by Stan’s letter; on the contrary he was on the verge of tears, and Bill’s reaction came across to me as “why would you ever think that?”

Stan’s death DID make the group weaker. They DID need him, he DID matter and his absence ultimately made things worse. Unfortunately, unlike the others (except Mike who had never left Derry) all of his memories returned at once and he just wasn’t able to process it without them around. For me, the tragedy is Stan never realizing that if he had the resolve to kill himself believing he was doing the right thing, he ALREADY had the resolve he needed to confront Pennywise all along. In his moment of weakness, he just couldn’t see it that way. That’s sad.

Also, while Stan’s sudden suicide in the book works, from a movie watching perspective I’m not sure if it would’ve worked as well without the letter at the end. To me, it would’ve come across as one of those “ kill a main character right off the bat for pure shock value” moments. I like that they didn’t ignore Stan and his memories are shown throughout the movie; most films would’ve had the rest of the characters be sad for maybe a scene, and then act as if nothing had happened. The letter inspiring them to move on and become better people was heartwarming - even though he made the wrong choice, he still cared about them deeply.

Chapter 2 had great ideas and I enjoyed it, I just thought that it was too long.

If they planned both movies out at the same time, they might’ve been able to balance this out a bit better; some of the scenes with the kids could (and perhaps should) have been in the first movie instead.

I think the main issue is that once the adults have been established in the book, they're not doing all that much, or are particularly interesting. It's striking how many of them are introduced not from their own point of view, but from their spouses, or in Ben's case, his fucking bartender. I suppose that alone says plenty about what Ben would end up becoming but yikes.

I'm rereading IT right now and it's absolutely crazy just how much more engaging the childhood parts are once it becomes clear that the adult sections are basically just reruns of 27 years ago. And that's coming from someone who genuinly loves the book.

Having “It” turn out to be nothing more than a cosmic bully that could easily be defeated by standing up to it was unbelievably lame and basically ruined the movie.

Apparently they are putting The Black Spot in the Derry show, but yeah I hated this change.

I was SO angry at part 2. I got sick of the tongue in cheek "King sucks at ending jokes" real quick. I don't understand why this horror move was shot and written like a Marvel movie. It was as if they had no confidence in being able to do it seriously, so they didn't even try.

I showed it to my friends and asked them if they could spot the part in the film where I finally just shouted "Fuck off!" In the theater. Everybody nailed it as being the "Angel of the Morning" part.

I enjoyed both part 1 and part 2.

I did enjoy part 1 more, but people seem to be so nit-picky about part 2.

No matter what, the IT movies/series will never hold a candle to the book. I hold a lower expectation to the movies and the series that have been created, but still enjoy the hell out of many of them.