Significance of Bella's Choice in Twilight
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Choosing Between Versions of Herself
Bella's choice between Edward and Jacob can be seen as a symbolic decision about her identity. Choosing Jacob represents a conventional life, with social acceptance and normalcy, while choosing Edward signifies embracing her unique self and the supernatural world 
[1:1]. This choice reflects Bella's desire to feel empowered and different, moving away from her human limitations and embracing her new identity as a vampire [1:2].
Life vs. Death Symbolism
The love triangle also symbolizes life versus death. Jacob represents warmth and a human life, while Edward embodies the allure of immortality and eternal youth [1:4][1:7]. Bella's choice of Edward is not merely about choosing death; rather, she sees it as a rebirth into a more powerful and fulfilled existence [1:2]. Her transformation into a vampire allows her to leave behind her mundane human life and embrace a future filled with possibilities [1:5].
The Role of Fantasy and Escape
Bella's attraction to Edward and the vampire world can be interpreted as a longing to escape her ordinary life and immerse herself in something extraordinary [5]. This fascination with the supernatural offers her an opportunity to vanish into a realm where she feels she belongs, experiencing a love that transcends the limitations of her human existence [5:3][5:4]. Despite the risks, Bella's choice reflects her willingness to embrace an intense, all-consuming love that offers her a sense of purpose and belonging [5:8].
Impact on Relationships and Identity
Bella's choice has significant implications for her relationships and identity. By choosing Edward, she distances herself from her human family and friends, opting for a new family that welcomes her warmly [1:4]. This decision emphasizes her commitment to being true to herself, prioritizing her happiness over societal expectations [1:10]. Her unwavering love for Edward, even after becoming a vampire, demonstrates the depth of her devotion and the transformative impact of her choice [5:10].
Philosophical and Psychological Perspectives
The Twilight series offers philosophical and psychological insights into themes of love, identity, and transformation. Bella's journey reflects the complexities of young love and the desire to find one's place in the world [2][3]. Discussions around Bella's choices highlight the tension between societal norms and personal fulfillment, inviting readers to consider the broader implications of her decisions [4]. For those interested in exploring these themes further, Natalie Wynn's video essay provides a fascinating analysis of Twilight from these perspectives [4:3].
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My personal analysis of the love triangle
Posted by Icy-Help-4328 · in r/twilight · 3 months ago
ORIGINAL POSTLove triangles need to have a bigger symbolic meaning to a story for me to justify their existence. A simplified example of this is in the Hunger Games, Katniss has to choose between Peeta (the boy she associates with peace and spring after winter) and Gale (who is holding on to justified anger and is associated with the continued vicious atrocities of war). She chooses Peeta because what she needs to survive after the war is peace and spring instead of holding on to hate.
In this love triangle, we have Bella, a teen girl who is in my opinion depressed, seemingly in love with the idea of death, and isolates herself from others. The boys are Edward, a vampire who is eternally seventeen, who she often associates with the coldness of his touch (the cold arms of death), and further isolation from her family and peers, and Jacob, her 'personal sun', the one who brings joy and light back to her life in the worst of her depression, he represents the heat of life (hint, hint. he is super hot to the touch). So Edward represents a beautiful young death and Jacob represents life and the joy it can bring.
By running to Edward and chasing him, she is choosing death. She is turning her back on life, the potential of growing old, and all the joys that come with that. She is choosing to give in to her depression almost. Did Stephanie Meyers intend to send out that message? I doubt it. I don't think she thinks too much about the implication.
But as a result of this little analysis I made during a reread as an adult, this whole series now reads as a tragedy and I find no joy in her romance with Edward. I want nothing more for her than to choose Jacob and choose life.
I always saw ( and agree with ) the comparison of Jacob being life and Edward being death.
I don't think that Edward is as limiting as it sounds being the representation of death. Bella actually sees her transition into a vampire as rebirth rather than death. She's leaving behind Bella Swan-the clumsy awkward human who never quite fit anywhere in her life-and embracing Bella Cullen: graceful, empowered, gifted to be able to protect her loved ones in all situations. She mentions never feeling more alive than she did as a vampire. It was her choice and desire to become a vampire and spend eternity with Edward-unchanging and surrounded by a loving large family. She even has a child that she'll never have to worry about loosing. Realistically when it comes to vampires she has everything; the power, the family, the child, the husband.
I do think that she loved Jacob more than a friend, but had often pushed that love aside as she loved Edward more. That if she did move on from him and married Jacob it would always linger in the back of her mind. Jacob would be the more acceptable choice between the two. Her father is best friends with his father so their families are already close, she didn't have to leave behind her family if choosing to be with Jacob + she would follow the standard life plan. She may have gone to college, they may have gotten married-had babies and grand babies one day. Bella acknowledges this in Eclipse after the forced kiss where she mentions seeing two little black haired heads bobbing and running off to the woods. This would've been the easier route-like he says " Being with me would be easier than breathing ", but not the one she would've made if she had a choice.
In the end it's nobodies choice but hers, and she openly voices that she chooses Edward. She chooses to be a vampire-and that's not a bad thing per say. She's happy with her choice and feels most comfortable and at ease in her life beside Edward. I think it would be different if she hadn't gotten a choice in the matter ( like Twilight when James bit her-if Edward hadn't sucked the venom out ). I don't see her as frozen because they mention mentally they are frozen at the time they change because they're old enough to learn. The Cullens have gone to college before so they aren't treated like children in their day to day life-Bella and Edward could pass for a young newlywed couple or go to college together or simply travel to a new place and live together. They aren't trapped to high school.
I don't see Bella ever regretting her choice. I can see her like Emmett-enjoying her new life and the perks that come with it.
Nailed it, you described the assignment to the T👏🙏😊
Team Jacob fans tend to forget that Bella wasn't coerced into being a vampire. Edward wanted her to wait, but SHE didn't. She was ready to begin her next lifetime and had 100% chose Edward. Jacob was never a real choice to her because she never had a moment of " well...maybe..." it was always guilt that she was hurting him
See, I saw it more as Edward represented an eternal youth with endless possibilities and Jacob was a warm, intense, bright life but one that burns out eventually.
I had the opposite read in that being frozen at seventeen means an end to possibilities, stuck in that frozen moment. Jacob is all the possibilities that come with growing up, of finding passions (outside of boys), a job you love, time with loved ones, perspective.
Emotionally, Edward is stuck at seventeen so he'll never be an adult, he'll always be stuck a teenager (like Claudia in Interview with a vampire). If you've seen Interview with the vampire, you've seen how being turned young and staying mentally and physically that young forever is a tragedy. The new show definitely influences how I see vampires as a whole (especially teen vamps).
I definitely think that’s the more logical way to see it but I don’t believe that’s how Bella saw it, I always felt like she already felt old and tired and just kind of jaded I guess. Becoming a vampire would allow her the chance to start over again and again, be whoever she wants to be, not worry about any of the things she spent years worrying about and feel powerful in herself. Jacob and being human has her stuck exactly as she is, where she is, and normal. I think Edward also offered her a sense of security and stability, once the family loved her they would always love her, they would forever be her family and Edward would love her forever.
I think it’s kind of cool looking back on that concept because I know when the books were first coming out and I was young there wasn’t any issue in my mind about being turned at 17, I would have happily been turned at 17. Now as an adult I think back to how I was at 17 and thank god I grew up lol. I really don’t think SM had any deeper meaning to any of it though tbh
Claudia isn’t the best example though. She was turned at 5 in the books as I recall. Even the movie only aged her up to 11 based on Kirsten Dunst’s age.
Those ages are much different to be frozen at than 17.
This is partially Stephenie's intention. Jacob was supposed to represent a happy, normal, human life. He's meant to be warmth - but not heat.
Edward represents magic, excitement, and freedom. Despite his cold skin, the way he makes Bella feel - and the way he feels too - is blazing hot.
It's perhaps also relevant that Bella, while turning her back on her human family and friends - none of whom she was ever very close to (except Renée who has her own issues) - is choosing to join a large family that, mostly, welcomes her warmly.
And it's also what Altruistic-Tie-6959 said. In Eclipse, Jacob is telling Bella what she should do and what's best for her. All the way through the book he insists his way is right and never apologises. Edward, meanwhile, starts out much more controlling, but realises how he's hurting Bella and resolves to let her make her own choices. By choosing Edward, she's saying no to doing what other people think is best for her and taking her destiny in her own hands.
This just made me realise that I subconsciously relate to Bella way too much
I’ve always seen it as Bella choosing between versions of herself. The one with Jacob would be social acceptable role: live a life, have family but no deeper purpose in life. And with Edward it’s choosing who she wanna be, how she feels about herself - different, she always felt different.
I think if she chose Jacob, it would've made it easier for everyone, including Charlie, since he was friends with Jacobs father too
Yes, bot not for her. She chose being herself and happy, over being someone else for happiness of the people around her
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The most “Bella” line ever
Posted by Beatrice033 · in r/twilight · 6 months agoI’ve read the books a few times, and this line from the Preface of Twilight has always stuck out to me:
“When life offers you a dream so far beyond any of your expectations, it’s not reasonable to grieve when it comes to an end.”
I guess I never fully grasped what Bella was saying here, but it’s 3 AM and I can’t sleep, so here’s the essay no one asked for.
The dream Bella is talking about has got to be meeting the Cullens, experiencing her first love, and discovering there is a whole layer of fantasy interwoven with human existence. Bella almost craves something fantastical; in fact, she attracts it. So when her dream proves to be reality, she’s almost too excited about it (yeah just turn me into a vampire at prom! No big deal!).
And yet when that dream was about to end—as James approached her in the ballet studio, and she thought she was going to die—she was reminding herself not to grieve. Isn’t that so Bella? She’s trying to offer the gift back to the giver. She recognizes this dream-come-true brought so much enjoyment to her otherwise banal human life, but she ultimately feels like she’s undeserving of the gift at all. Again, sooo Bella.
Yet life does hand her that dream again: after many trials, and after the dream is repeatedly threatened to be taken away, she finally marries Edward and, later, becomes a vampire herself.
If the ending of the series feels too perfect, it’s because Bella willed so hard for life to finally come together in her favor. Once she saw a hint of this dream finally becoming permanent, she couldn’t stand the thought of letting it go. And considering her shield, her subdued transformation, and her easy newborn phase, we know her willpower is her greatest gift. She said NO ONE is taking this magical dream away from me now! Just try!
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I always disagreed with this conclusion as Bella goes to James. She has barely gotten a tease of what it was like to live the magical, immortal existence the Cullens have.
As a kid I was very poor with very few opportunities to experience many things others very often took for granted. One of the things that I wanted to do very badly was to ride a horse.
When I was a sophomore in high school I was invited to a sleepover with a friend. Another classmate a boy, lived very close to her. He had horses. He also had a massive crush on my friend. He rode over on his horse and asked my friend if she wanted to go for a ride. Of course she took him up on it. I stood there watching and hoping he would ask me too, but he didn't. I was crushed.
For Bella to be so accepting of what she thought her fate was is something I don't understand. She had not just immortality within her sights but love and an idyllic family and just couldn't quite get there. I would be raging at my fate.
For closures sake I finally did get to ride a horse many times, but like Bella the time just wasn't right yet.
Your experience is such a good parallel, thank you for sharing!! Yes I think I disagree with Bella’s conclusion too. We should be totally able to grieve and feel upset when things—especially dreams—don’t reach their fulfillment. It’s a completely valid reaction.
The only difference is that Bella chose to face James and lose her life, thereby separating her forever from the Cullens and their fantasy world. Yes she loved it and considered it her fate too, but she also was the one to leave it behind thinking she could save her mom. So she doesn’t think she has a right to grieve over something she’s choosing to walk away from.
Which checks out, because in New Moon, she does actually grieve when the Cullens leave! The difference is that there, she’s the one getting left behind. She’s being made to pretend like none of their world exists anymore, and that’s much different than telling herself she’s brave for walking away from it of her own volition.
So maybe, in a less intense situation, she’d agree with us haha!
Yes I see your point and also consider that Bella wouldn't be around to mourn in the first scenario. Edward would have been the one doing the mourning. Bella had little time to mourn in Twilight. But in New Moon she had way too much time and as you say the choice wasn't hers.
Your last paragraph brought to mind her hallucinations in New Moon. She willed her visions of Edward because she was determined to break her promise and wanted him to know it. She wanted to see his face as she disobeyed his last request. Sure she got addicted to her visions, her clearest memories of him, but a larger part of it was spite, and spite is better with the intended audience watching.
Whoaaaa you’re spot on!! Yes!
I really love to see well-considered thoughts about Twilight. I'm a classicist who never read YA growing up and decided I should do so at least once in my life, so I chose Twilight. There's so much to be talked about! People think it's silly but you can most definitely draw some very philosophical conclusions out of whatever you want, be it Twilight or anything else. The literary world has the capacity to be so pretentious about "good" literature. Idgaf I'm going to tandem read my Machiavelli and Twilight, and I'm going to enjoy them equally. (Edited for grammar)
Yes agree!! I was an English major in college so I feel you. Twilight gets a bad rep, but there are some complex situations/characters here for sure. Whether Meyer had the skill to represent the complexity well is another matter, but I think fans of the series can certainly extrapolate for themselves!
I love this! Thank you for this essay 😂🥰
Isnt it fun when you fall into a middle of the night insomnia fueled deep dive into a fandom. What you're pointing out is actually well put.
Yeah I’m always like hmm it would’ve been nice to sleep… but also I’m having fun… trade offs I guess!
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In an ideal world, Bella would have chose Jacob
Posted by Prior-Wealth-4396 · in r/twilight · 2 years agoOpinions from New Moon
Correction: in a normal world, she would have chosen jacob. But any world that contained edward jacob would have never stood a chance
In a normal world Bella would have ditched forks as soon as she could. She stated clearly multiple times she didn’t want to stay there, she was only there to finish school so her mother could travel. If Edward wasn’t there she most likely would have ran to Florida when her mom said they settled there. The only reason she stayed in New Moon and ended up hanging with Jacob in new moon was because she didn’t want to leave the memories and proximity of the Cullen’s home.
That’s forever the biggest fanbase argument. Lol I was always Team Jacob. I’m actually glad she didn’t pick him in the end though. I just wish he didn’t get the ending that he DID get. Gross.
Well my opinion may change after this book. I just love the way he treats her in new moon book, I mean I don’t like it sometimes but it’s because he’s become a wolf.
Oh I just mean I can’t stand Bella lol Jake is everything.
Yeah, it should. Jacob SA’d her and starts acting like a crybaby so he becomes really unlikeable.
A guy she (effectively) met on first beach, who has a disabled father to support and therefore most likely will not be leaving the area any time soon? Way too similar to her parent's situation.
Even if she did start hanging out with him for some reason without having met Edward, and even if she did end up with romantic feelings for him, she'd cut that shit off as soon as she realized what was happening. She was determined not to repeat her mother's failures.
really? because that's exactly what she did. Got married right after high school. Moved in with the guy and had a baby at the age of 18 while still being very immature (obviously at her age) and indecisive herself. She didn't even want kids and wanted to postpone turning into a vampire until after college AND didn't even want to get married.
Not saying she should've chosen Jacob, but there are so many reasons why he would've been the healthier option compared to Edward. For starters, she would've gotten to keep her life and not leave her parents behind
Except that he did SA her, that enough would and should cancel all romantic feelings for him
In an ideal world, she would have given both the middle finger
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Lmaoooo
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The way Jacob and Edward talk about Bella in Breaking Dawn sort of made me go wtf.
Posted by Lenore8264 · in r/twilight · 6 months agoSpoilers ahead.
Well, I'm reading Twilight for the first time as a 26 year old. I read a lot of trash romance novels and webtoons, so I went into this without prejudice. I'm just here to have a good time🤷🏻♀️
I've actually been thoroughly enjoying it, and though I only enjoyed the other books, Breaking Dawn has me hooked. I can't put it down. I'm really loving it. I'm only halfway through, but I have to talk about this.
The conversation between Jacob and Edward when Jacob comes to find Bella pregnant is so gross haha.
Idk, it came across as very "fetish-y" like it made me think of the author's fetishes instead of the characters and their problems. It's so bizarre. It's actually immersion-breaking lol.
I do understand that this is supposed to be a love triangle situation, and it's supposed to be cute and sweet and show how much Edward cares about Bella, but it's so gross how they were talking of passing her between each other like a football lol wtf genuinely felt so bizarre, I just put the book down and laughed💀
Like I get that this is breaking them both to watch her die. I get the whole context, but it still felt a bit weird and gross to read Jacob's thoughts. Like this guy just wants to be in Bella so bad, fuck everything else. I felt the same sense of bizarre-ness when Jacob assaulted Bella, and later, the second time when Bella just kissed him back.
When Edward found out, he just laughed like nothing happened and let Bella sob against his chest, brushing the whole assault/cheating/whatever-the-fuck situation aside. What in the fetish Stephanie Meyer 😭
Anyway, I know in a story where imprinting on a toddler and other strange stuff exists, it's hypocritical and stupid that this is what broke the illusion for me. I don't know, okay? I just had a thought I wanted to share. Something about that particular conversation felt off to me, more than all the other strange stuff. I'm not sure why.
Anyone else felt this way? If so, can someone else articulate the feeling?
I was a bit weirded at first but i never considered that as a fetish or that they would be “passing her around.” He was not gonna stay with her, if she decided to have the baby with Jacob. He wanted her to live. And he thought that she was having the baby simply because it was a baby and she wanted to be a mother. So by risking everything, ready to put all of it to the side, he was gonna give her up to Jacob. It wasn’t about passing. It was about keeping her alive. And Jacob understood that as much as Edward. He was even bewildered by Edward’s proposal, but knew how much Edward loved her and how much he loved Bella himself to even consider. Skeevs me out a bit knowing that’s where people’s brains went. 😭
edit: Someone replied, read it… and suggesting jacob become her baby father is actually crazy work 😭 i personally believe he would have left her in the long run. he’s not that stupid, i hope, but again, this guy was really about to sacrifice everything just to keep her alive. that doesn’t give off “fetish” to me. that gave very much “i’m losing my fucking mind because i don’t want to lose the loml” and jacob’s dumbass being so in love with her as well, actually considering the idea
It is not true that Edward was not going to stay with Bella if she had a baby with Jacob.
When Edward proposes the idea to Jacob, Jacob thinks:
>What was he saying? That Bella should, what? Have a baby? With me? What? How?... Was he giving her up? Or did he think she wouldn't mind being shared
And Edward responds:
>Whichever. Whatever keeps her alive
Then again, this is repeated in Jacob's thoughts:
>I couldn't think about what he was suggesting. It was too much. Impossible. Wrong. Sick. Borrowing Bella for the weekends and then returning her Monday morning like a rental movie? So messed up. So tempting.
So from the text it's pretty clear that they essentially would be "passing her around" - in the sense that she would be having relations with them both in this strange scenario. I mean, maybe it wouldn't have worked out in the long run, but that is what Edward is suggesting. He is absolutely not saying that he's going to leave Bella if she chooses Jacob here.
Watch the three hour video essay by Natalie Wynn - it’s fascinating and talks about Twilight from a philosophical, psychological perspective.
Will always upvote a contrapoints recommendation
Specifically about the conversation jacob and edward have in breaking dawn to me that speaks more to how out of his mind upset he was watching the life get sucked out of the person he’s dedicated his life to. normally that isn’t something he would consider but he’s out of his mind thinking bella is going to die and if there is just some way to make her happy and keep her alive he’d do anything.
With jacob’s pov you are seeing inside his head, not all of the things he thinks are his actions. If someone were able to read my mind they’d be able to judge me for a lot of odd things I have thought about but don’t agree with and wouldn’t actually do but i think about. Like the eclipse when jasper briefly considers having bella in the clearing during the fight. edward says that to jacob and he thinks about it but i don’t think he would participate in that and shouldn’t be judged for thinking about it.
I feel like a lot of the time the critiques about the characters behavior in twilight(and other paranormal stories) aren’t fair because people apply our world morality and expectation. i don’t think the things they do always acceptable but i do think they can’t be criticized the same way a human being in our world would be. The book was also written in the early 2000s when the standards were different and things shittier and that just is part of what you get when you ingest media older than 5 years
This is just another reason that I don't like Edward. How could he even think that was something Bella would go for? For claiming to love her he sure doesn't know her. She wanted Edward's baby because it was a part of him and a result of their love. I'm very happy Jacob never told her about that. It's not what she needed at the time.
Because he was desperate...
That conversation was so gross to me. I get that Edward really wanted Bella to live, but it made me like Edward less for suggesting that. And it also made me like Jacob less for considering it. It’s also even weirder when you consider that Jacob is only 16 when they’re having this conversation.
Also, I don’t know how either of them thought raising a human child, especially a human child with the wolf gene, around a bunch of vampires is a good idea. And if Bella just has a regular human child and becomes a vampire, she’d eventually have to watch her kid die. And if she didn’t have as much self control as she did when she was turned, she wouldn’t even be able to be around her kid for at least a year.
Anyway, in addition to it being really gross, it was also just a dumb suggestion.
Jacob never considered it
He actually did. When Edward suggests it, Jacob imagines what it would be like for Bella to be pregnant with his child and says that the suggestion was “so tempting.” I think he also brings it up to Bella. So yeah, he did consider it, and probably would’ve done it too if Bella agreed.
He did consider it. He literally imagined what it would be like to share Bella with Edward. He called it, if I recall correctly, tempting.
Can you share more about this? I had no idea
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Was Bella truly in love with Edward, or just with the idea of disappearing into something bigger than herself?
Posted by lavieinazul · in r/twilight · 4 months agoWas it really him she loved, or the promise of vanishing from the weight of her ordinary life through him?
I’m rereading the saga and this random thought hit me at 2am lmao.
Curious to know what you think!
Bella makes it clear in the books that she has no interest in immortality or an abnormal life without Edward being there
this and the fact that she is still mad in love with him after becoming a vampire
She was in love with him.
It was one of those all consuming loves. Obsessively in love. She became her relationship and all about Edward. It’s why she became pretty comatose in New Moon. I think she saying it’s like she can’t breathe or something in New Moon. Maybe she even mentions she doesn’t want to exist without him? Not like suicidal I don’t think but wishing her existence just wasn’t so she don’t feel so…nothing hollow I think.
Is that the healthiest? Nope. Does it epitomize peak young love? Teenage and new adult romance and love? Yeah I’d say it capture a good majority of teenagers.
Would you say it was limerence?
well that's a $300 word I just learned a little bit ago 😂 so I'm still not certain on the nuance of the application
but if I had to give it a go 🤔perhaps...in...book 1 and...maybe 2...but IDK fully about 2 TBH.
Like I think a lot of romance can begin with similar appearances to limerence but the defining trait is that...it goes away...?... right? Like I guess a steroetypical example is once they have sex, the guy leaves the girl because he had his fun and won the chase. But what differentiates passionate forever love is that no one "hits and quits it". It perhaps may cool down but the love and desire to be together never goes away.
I think because Bella got her guy in Twilight and she didn't get bored, begins to remove it from limerence territory. Because limerence is used as a term to suggest "no you're not really in love with this person".
And even though we could say "well they were changed as teenagers therefore they're cemented this way". I disagree with what vampirism means as a teenager. Teenagers may NOT be FULLY mentally developed but upper teenagers do have a good amount of mental development under their belt, particularly at the ages Bella and Edward are at. And they can be really into something and then stop being really into something. And I think that's a key trait to being a teenager due to their mental/pyschologial development stages. So I think even as vampires they could get over each other so nothing is cemented via vampirism. The only thing that is cemented as the underdevelopment means as far as their critical thinking ability and future thinking and raging hormones or whatever. But I do believe as older teenagers, the vampire would have the ability to learn and gather knowledge, change their opinions, etc, and can be altered personality-wise by life experiences and grow and change that way. Because IRL teenagers, even a their under developed state, can change due to information gather. They're just trapped in hormonal hell and everything that goes along with it. But whatever being frozen as a teenager stunts per psychological development like decision making and thinking in the future, behavioral wise, and whatever else, probably not growing like human adults as they age and experience things.
Like in high school there were a good number of people the had a new all-consuming love every two months even. But Bella's interest/love for Edward continues for like 3-4 years. And even as a vampire, if it were limerence, I doubt she would continue to be stuck on him because she was charged. The cynic could probably claim it's limerence and say in 10 years down the road with Reneesame is out of the nest, she'll dump him. But I'm not inclined to agree with that based on the fact, while not the majority, a good healthy proportion of the US population fell in love as teenagers and made it through to death do us part. And I think Bella and Edward are the couple who beat the odds and remain together past Breaking Dawn.
I think if we're going to go along the RWA's definition of romance where novels must have a "happily ever after" or "happily ever after for now", Stephanie Meyer was shooting for the former. She wrote us a happily ever after into Breaking Dawn. At the end of any romance novel, a cynic can say "nope, they'll never survive it". And that's fine but ultimate what that signals to me is the read refused to suspend their disbelief and believe in a happily ever after ending and refuses to accept the writer wrote it in. Maybe some authors don't do their job well enough, that's a fair argument but not when we happy to the 4 book chonky chonkiers Stephanie Meyer wrote to just use through that journey. She meant for it be a happily ever after.
Like there's a difference between "did she write it and make it me believe it" and "did she actually successfully write to spec". I will accept that a personal opinion is that Stephanie Meyer wrote it but didn't make a reader believe it. I can believe that and accept that. But I won't agree with the statement: she didn't write to spec and she didn't write a romance. She didn't write about a girl falling in love and giving us a happily ever after. Because those plot beats are there. Those plots beats are definiable. And she's aiming her plane to land on a "happily ever after". She delivered them as an author but if you can't believe there was chemistry between Bella and Edward or their love was genuine and true, that is more of a subjective opinion on the delivery. Not whether or not your package arrived, because it landed no questions. Just did you like what you got when you opened the package? Was it true to the website description? IMO, yes for the most part she gave us a faithful teenage romance that went through all the stages of being a couple and landed her plane successfully delivering as promised on a paranormal romance meets dark romance novel
So while I wouldn't say people claiming limerence is "in bad faith". I think its an analysis that is a cynical one and if a reader is cynical of romance and true love, then I'd say to that reader: respectfully, reading romance may not be for you as a reader. Because I'd put my hat on the same reader saying Darcy and Elizabeth don't make it together. And then were does that leave us? Chasing each other's tails to change other people's minds whose minds don't to be changed. So my take of such an analysis would be: that can be an opinion but it's not one that I find founded in the story Stephanie Meyer wrote us and the plot beats she was aiming for.
This line tells me all I need to know - “I was unconditionally and irrevocably in love with him.”
I always felt it was fate, those two were meant to be together. Bella found her way to Forks for a reason and that reason was Edward.
I think it's somewhere in the middle. Vampires have this unnatural presence designed to draw in human. Edward has a unfair advantage because of that. We don't know if Bella would have fallen so hard for human Edward. I personally think she probably would have had a crush on him but without his supernatural allure she wouldn't gave been drawn to him.
I do think she loves him but in that teenage all encompassing type of love. They both have an idealized version of each other and they will forever be stuck in. In the books it's clear Bella only wants to be a vampire for Edward because without she doesn't think she's enough. It's sad.
Vampires don't have any "supernatural allure" aside from being very attractive (and even that can vary according to culture and personal preference).
Mind, I do agree that Bella's initial interest in Edward had a lot to do with the way he looked. She wasn't being psychically influenced, but her own hormones played a role.
They do. It's literally in their lore that Vampires use to be looked upon as gods.
I do think there is some psychically influence in some places like the fact that in New Moon Bella is a lot like a person going though withdraw and when she sees Alice again she starts smelling her.
I think she would be still drawn to human Edward but definitely not at this intensity.
"They both have an idealized version of each other and they will forever be stuck in." I like that you pointed that out, I also believe that, they both put each other in a pedestal and until the end ( she becoming a vampire) they didn't change their minds - this is not realistic in a relationship.
Considering how the book makes it clear how soulmates exist in the world, I think she would have felt the same for him as a human.
No one in the amount of pain she was in during the transformation stays quiet to minimize her lovers pain over what she is going through for someone they aren't in love with. No way.
r/callofcthulhu • [6]Summarize
Twilight as a Call of Cthulhu Campaign
Posted by Anselm_of_Canterbury · in r/callofcthulhu · 3 months agoMy wife asked me to watch the Twilight movies with her last night. In the second movie, Edward dramatically leaves Bella, which sends her into a near catatonic depression for months. She wakes up screaming from nightmares every morning. As she seeks riskier and riskier highs to feel something, she hallucinates Edward's presence.
So, Bella failed her SAN check and lost more than 20% of her sanity in session 1. Her player refusing to do reality checks or get therapy and Bella falling deeper and deeper into indefinite insanity.
I am now interpreting the rest of the movies as a Call of Cthulhu campaign that went catastrophically off the rails. It was supposed to be a traditional horror game using vampires, but Stephanie, Bella's player, decided to try to romance the vampire NPC. The Keeper was initially accommodating but is now in way too deep to right the ship.
I think having her fall in love with a Deep One hybrid would be totally on point.
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What a blasphemously sanity-shattering idea.
Please continue.
Still better love story than Twilight..
My first game of 7th edition was a gay vampire escaping his family to run away with his new love. Had a whole twist when we found out and realized we led a zealous zombie hunter to try to kill them. So I would totally see that.
r/twilight • [7]Summarize
Does anyone else think Bella forced/tricked herself into thinking she was in love with Jacob?
Posted by nonskater · in r/twilight · 5 months agoI want to preface this by saying, this is my very first time reading the series; so please no spoilers! i have seen the movies, so i ultimately know what happens, but i was never too into the series and im way more interested in the book. i’ve just finished eclipse and im on the second chapter of breaking dawn!
with that being said, does anyone else feel like bella made herself think she was in love with jacob? i really really don’t think she is.
in new moon, bella leans on jacob and uses him as a distraction from all things edward related. she pretty much uses jacob to fulfill her emotional needs completely. she cares about jacob, but never expresses any romantic desire towards him what so ever. she barely notices his physique, as is. she doesn’t describe jacob anywhere close to the way she describes edward. as soon she hears one word about edward, she immediately discards jacob, and barely stops and thinks about how he feels about it.
then in all of eclipse, she’s mad at jacob for most of the book, for a number of reasons; he’s way to assertive and arrogant, at one point he gets aggressive with her, and he manipulates her every chance he gets. then he, once again, manipulates her into kissing him. and she somehow, in that moment, convinces herself that she’s always been in love with him????
to me, it’s very clear that bella cares for jacob as a friend, but nothing more. her randomly deciding she’s in love with him threw me for a loop. it seems like nothing more than grade A manipulation on jacob’s part, but the fact that she comes to the conclusion that she’s in love with them both, bothers me immensely. does anyone else agree? or could anyone provide a new perspective?
Well yeah. Like you said, Jacob was manipulating her on purpose for a while.
He was guilt-tripping her for rejecting him and telling her the fact that she cares when he gets hurt is proof she's in love with him. He undermines her confidence in her assessment of her feelings by telling her she's too inexperienced to know better, and that Edward is manipulating her. He also sexually harasses and assaults her and tells her that her responding to him physically is proof she's in love with him. That's the one that finally gets her, but it wouldn't have worked without the other stuff, including her being desperate and overwhelmed in the moment because of his suicide threat.
Idk why Stephanie had to turn Jacob into a shithead. Up to Eclipse, I felt bad for him. Like yeah it does totally suck that the girl you really like is in love with your mortal nemesis and refuses to even hear you out about the dangers of it all. BUT then he gets all hotheaded and selfish and territorial, which is such a contrast to the sweet, reliable Jacob from before - the one Bella sees as a friend and leans on in NM. The whole shift in her personality was totally not needed and I was so annoyed with him by the end.
It's pretty dramatic, but tbf he was already testing her boundaries in NM, e.g with the hand-holding. And right before Edward called, he was leaning in to kiss Bella, without having asked. So I don't think his behaviour in Eclipse came completely out of nowhere.
People argue this point often vociferously. But I believe Bella was influenced by the Renesmee connection just as Jacob was. I believe it's about fate. Renesmee was always fated to be born. I understand by saying this I'm risking many people's ire. But I think what I think. To me it completely explains Bella's confusion and that is how I believe SM meant it. That connection was there right from the start.
Jacob couldn't let go and Bella didn't want to either but she knew she was hurting Edward so she began looking at it differently...like Jacob was a part of the family but not as her lover. She always knew she loved Edward more and she made her choice. But that did not negate the connection she had with Jacob as she felt it throughout her pregnancy. If she had understood this earlier she wouldn't have been so confused. But hind sight and all that jazz.
i was wondering about this as well. i haven’t gotten to that part in the books, but i of course know that it happens. i remember they made it a point in the movie to kind of explain it, how bella always wanted to be around him and him her, even more so when she was pregnant, but it never made any sense until the baby came. also the fact that women carry their eggs with them throughout their entire lifetime :3
This point literally seems to be ridiculously unbelievable to some or repugnant enough that they will twist themselves sideways to get it to mean something else. But Ms Meyers seems to like making her readers go ewwww! I don't have the issue many seem to have accepting the whole Jacob-Bella-Renesmee conundrum. If there is one theme that holds throughout the series it is fate. Edward is simply a fate for Bella that cannot be resisted, just as Renesmee is for Jacob
I think Stephanie Meyer intended to write it that Bella was in love with Jacob, but I think she did a bad job of writing it that way because she was also keeping Edward as the main guy and the endgame. It’s hard to see it the way it’s written. It just comes out of nowhere, and then it’s pretty much forgotten afterwards.
I know this isn’t what Stephanie Meyer intended, but the way it reads is that Bella loved him as a friend and liked the kiss, and she interpreted that as her actually having feelings for him.
Also she wrote twilight and then breaking dawn so Jacob was kind of thrown in which adds to her not getting his character perfect in the added two books.
Yep, and since she kept so much the same from Forever Dawn when she wrote Breaking Dawn, there wasn’t anything in Breaking Dawn about Bella being in love with Jacob (because she wasn’t in love with him in Forever Dawn). Which just makes her love for Jacob seem even more like a throwaway line.
Not to mention that Bella is a self insert character, and Jacob is based off of SM’s brother. So I’m sure she felt a bit uncomfortable writing a bunch about her self insert being in love with her brother.
Personally, I don't think that Bella was ever in love with Jacob. Did she love him? Sure, but it's entirely possible to love someone platonically. And I just never got the vibe that she was in love with him, especially considering that anytime she had to choose between Edward and Jacob, she chose Edward.
I think at the end of the day she just wanted Jacob to be happy and she knew that she was not going to be the person that he'd be happy with. She knew he felt that way but she didn't and I do think that she kind of tricked herself into thinking that she was in love with him versus just loving him as a friend.
I never got that vibe either. My aunt and I read the books at the same time and I remember her telling me how everyone online (I was too young to be online when the books were coming out) was picking teams and freaking out over who Bella would choose. I remember wondering why anyone could possibly think it wouldn’t be Edward. Even when Bella “had feelings” for Jacob, Edward was always at the forefront.
I think it’s complicated.
Like it’s easy to level up from plutonic to lovers. It’s a real life thing that happens.
I think it didn’t help her sort out her feeling that Jacob was laying the pressure for his suit on thick and not fucking off when she’s like give me some space.
I think New Moon and Eclipse are separate issues/things. In New Moon she’s genuinely confused about what she wants. She doesn’t know what she wants. And that’s not bad.
She’s lonely and she’s grieving and she’s vulnerable. She’s latched on to Jacob’s. And then Jacob took it as a sign, which I can see why. The issue was she saw nah and he continued. That’s where the issues begin. She wants Jacob but she doesn’t know how to define what she really wants from him. She just knows she formed a bond that wants him in her life.
Eclipse is a different beast because she’s already chosen. And I see it as my clean up book. They have to clean up the mess of New Moon and a find new status quo. It’s for Edward and Bella to figure out how to be partners to one another too.
I do think Jacob’s behavior was questionable and even condemnable in certain parts.
But I do think she developed a real relationship and bond with him. I think he did things to inspired more than a plutonic pull towards him and that’s where the confusions comes into play. She doesn’t really know. She likes him but loves Edward. She wants to be around him but doesn’t want to replace Edward. And Jacob wants to step into and become the next BF. And she’s not ready for that in New Moon and in Eclipse she’s chosen Edward.
Thing being said, I do think had Edward never returned, she probably would have ended up with Jacob.
But she chose Edward when he walked back into the scene. And that’s the issue. Jacob didn’t respect her choice. And he doesn’t want to be and never wanted to be JUST FRIENDS, which is why he keeps pressing his suit. And Bella doesn’t know how navigate it but trying to keep the friend boundary when he keeps wanting to step over it. And that’s why love triangles fucking suck. They are confusing and rarely have a satisfactory clean up. Meyer just did not wrap it up well with a bow. It was like someone was wrapping it up blind folded with gardening gloves on. An irregular shaped not box shaped item is already a pain in the ass. And she just made it suckier. But the thing about love triangles in romance is that you have to suspend you disbelief and believe in something along the lines of loving multiple romantic partners is possible. And I do believe it is.
I think Jacob’s “manipulated” things as in putting the moves on Bella but there was already a kernel there for him to stoke. So it wasn’t just out of nowhere from his POV and Bella knows it too.
The issue really isn’t if was it there or wasn’t it there. The issue is she chose and he didn’t respect her choice because he didn’t like it.
r/twilight • [8]Summarize
The reasoning in Stephenie Meyer’s films doesn’t always make sense to me.
Posted by Melodic_Fart_ · in r/twilight · 2 years agoI’m saying “films” here because at the moment I can’t remember if these examples translate perfectly to the books.
Example 1: Carlisle: “Thank you, Bella. You’ve always been very… gracious… about us.”
Bella: “So that’s it’s? That’s why he won’t change me?”
How does she go from “Carlisle believes vampires are damned” to “Edward can’t think for himself and must believe exactly the same thing and that’s why he won’t change me.” Like, what?
Example 2 (The Host): One of the first scenes, Melanie jumps out a window to escape the aliens, falls a great height, and somehow survives.
She ends up in the hospital with The Seeker, who says “this one wanted to live.” Um, she just jumped out a fucking window and fell multiple stories. What makes you think she wanted to live? Seems to me she’d rather die than become one of you.
Example 3: One of the guys (sorry can’t remember his name, it’s been a while) kisses Wanda and she slaps him. He takes this to mean Melanie is still in there. What?? Maybe Wanda just didn’t want to kiss him! At that point in the film her feelings about him didn’t seem very clear to me.
Idk. There are some big logic jumps that seem to run counter to what I’d expect in these situations. Thoughts?
bella isn’t responding directly to carlisle there, she’s referring back to a line or two earlier in the scene when carlisle says he wants to help people even if he is already “damned”. this is the first time anyone mentions sacrificing their eternal soul to be a vampire to bella, and it makes her realize suddenly that that is why edward won’t change her— he believes, as carlisle does, that vampires are inherently damned to hell for eternity, and he does not want to be responsible for doing that to bella.
a clearer “translation” of the conversation goes as follows:
carlisle: i want to help people, even if my soul is already damned (doomed to go to hell for being an ungodly creation).
bella, surprised: carlisle, you couldn’t be damned, there’s no way (bella believes carlisle is kind and just, and therefore could never go to hell).
carlisle, tactfully not agreeing with her: thank you bella, you’ve always been very gracious about us (gracious here as in forgiving, implying carlisle doesn’t believe he isn’t damned, but he appreciates that bella believes neither he nor any other vampire is inherently damned just for the crime of being made).
bella, making the connection to edward: oh, so being damned is why edward won’t change me, because he doesn’t want to damn me too.
we have to imagine carlisle feels guilt over changing edward. he wanted him to live so badly that he didn’t stop to think if edward would believe carlisle essentially robbed him of his chance to go to heaven by turning him. carlisle probably feels pretty conflicted about this, as he seems to understand edward’s pov but not fully regret what he’s done, potentially implying maybe he’s not 100% sure edward is right about them all being damned but not 100% sure he’s wrong either. bella had never considered this before, so that’s why this conversation, knowing that carlisle created edward, makes the light bulb go off in her head as to why edward is so against changing her, because at this point he hadn’t directly told her this yet, just that he didn’t want to.
eta: sorry if this was way too much lol. and i don’t know anything about the host.
This scene always inordinately frustrated me, because in the books, Carlisle does not believe he and the others are necessarily damned.
He says instead that Bella is the very first to agree with him that they’re not necessarily damned.
i think in the movie we are meant to interpret carlisle as being on the fence. he never actually says he believes that, just that edward does
Yeah I get that, sorry I abbreviated the conversation in my post. I just don’t get why Bella thinks Edward feels exactly the same way as Carlisle. The first part of this conversation is Carlisle saying how he feels, so for Bella to jump right to “this is how Edward feels too” is just weird to me. If Carlisle had said “my whole family believes we’re damned,” then I could understand. But he doesn’t.
Plus earlier in the movie, Edward talks about how Carlisle is not the only reason he doesn’t kill people. Edward doesn’t want to be a monster. So this is establishing that Edward can think for himself and doesn’t just take Carlisle’s lead on everything. Does that make more sense?
you’re right that bella is making an assumption, but she is asking carlisle in the scene to confirm her assumption, and carlisle, without explicitly saying “yes” verbatim, basically tells her her suspicions are correct. bella is probing him for information on edward. she doesn’t say, “so that’s why he won’t turn me.” period, definitively. she says, “so that’s why he won’t turn me?”, raising the question to carlisle. carlisle doesn’t straight up say yes, but he implies that he thinks that is the reason. this is how bella finds out most of her information on the cullens in the entire first movie too and is consistent with her character. she gets hunches based on limited information, makes assumptions, and then asks questions until someone confirms for her. she asks carlisle instead of edward because edward has repeatedly given her non-answers.
and edward isn’t taking carlisle’s lead on the whole “damned” thing, it’s edward’s own belief independent of carlisle, as he was a christian before being turned and presumably still is if he believes in eternal damnation and such.
Because what other reason would he have for not changing her? He tells her he loves her, that she is his life now. But she always feels unworthy of his love. Never good enough. So this is an easy explanation to latch on to.
It's why it was so easy for her to believe him when he told her she wasn't good for him.
Regarding The Host scenes you’re referring too, what the Seeker means about wanting to live, it’s because despite throwing herself down an elevator shaft, Melanie still had the will to live. Melanie only did that to protect Jamie, and to protect everyone else, because once you were assimilated by the aliens, they knew everything and could find the resisting pockets of humans, so she’d rather die than give up that information.
The kissing/slap scene, it was Melanie who took control of her body to slap Jared. Wanda would never harm anyone, so Wanda wouldn’t think to slap anyone. Since Jared knows that the aliens don’t harm people, Wanda’s slap meant Melanie was still in there.
And to add to the other posts on Edward. Edward says he doesn’t want to be a monster, because he could hear the thoughts of those he killed. Despite that they were bad people he was killing, he could still hear their thoughts about him as he was about to kill them. To them he was a monster.
I would have just turned Bella I would love her to be in my coven it wouldn't bother me if she hunted humans at all because that's a vampires true nature when I watched the movies for some reason I always felt like the Cullen's was the wrong coven for Bella to join the whole family dynamic throws me off I wish Irina had a brother that fell in love with Bella instead of Jacob the denali coven seems so much better I love their sisterhood something that Bella needs I can see Kate being a fun loving sister I wish Tanya had a mate so she didn't have a thing for Edward I wish Irina never dated Laurent she also could have been very close with Bella Carmen could have been a strong mother figure that's what I truly wanted low key a Denali vampire falling in love with Bella in a healthy way would have been bomb put Edward and his family to shame 2 male vampires fighting for Bella's affection would have been perfect but Irina doesn't have a brother what a shame the denali coven could have been traditional vampires but still be very warm and loving and healthy I just don't like the Cullen's like that
I was always so confused to why charlie was dating sue like doesn't he know that Leah hates Bella here goes another bitter character that I can't stand I have no love for her either again its not Bella's fault that Sam imprinted on Emily I know that's hurtful but dam she needed to mind her own business Bella was just visiting the wolf pack its like every female character Bella meets is jealous bitter and down right fake Jessica Rosalie Leah Lauren are so childish making everyone around them miserable seeing bella getting rejected used even by her own mother makes me sad these people are full of shit Jessica is jealous of bella because she has Edward girl its not that deep the speech she made was just terrible home girl was trash from day one they are just bullies like get over yourself Bella making people mad by just existing she sneezes and these females give her a dirty look tf is wrong with these characters bruh Bella got a man and these females mad asf
Wow, you really committed to not using any punctuation.
The Host was awesome. Wish there were more books in the series.
r/twilight • [9]Summarize
What's the one certain thing you would change about the whole saga?
Posted by Apprehensive_Flan_61 · in r/twilight · 3 years agoThe only thing that I would change is Jacobs and Bellas relationship. I would want him for Bella just as a friend, since they were such a great friends. The humor between them was amazing. I always laugh about his jokes especially in the books.
I know many people ship them, but I think they would be better as a best friends. I really miss the old funny Jacob :) Just my personal opinion
The pregnancy. I wanted to see Bella as a vampire. I wanted to see her and Edward dealing with the fallout of her change, and the challenges of new born years. I wanted to see them goof around at Dartmouth after she gets control of her thirst. I would have loved to see Jacob move on and find love and peace with NOT A BABY.
Instead of Jacob imprinting on Renesmee, he and Leah learn to love each other and both realize the best kind of relationship is one where both actively WANT to be in it rather than being forced via imprinting or one-sided pining like Jacob/Bella and Leah/Sam.
Also, Renesmee grows up to be a bad ass single lady who doesnt rely on a relationship for character growth.
I always thought Leah and Jacob will be together. After reading their conversation slowly turns into friendship.
I like the series too much to make some of the other changes people will want... what I would change though is some of the problematic scenes and themes related to sexism and consent.
For example, Charlie would not be thrilled Jacob had forced a kiss on Bella. Jacob would not pretend he was going to commit suicide to get a kiss. Edward would express his concern for Bella's safety (and his jealousy of Jacob) in less controlling ways. Etc
Very well said I don't like the kiss with Jacob at all
the whole pregnancy. i would have rathered seen edward have to come to terms with having to change bella now that they're married instead of making renesmee being the easy way out for bella to change.
Got ya! I thought we will see more of Bella being new born i was little disappointed
yes! i feel like her changing to a vampire was so glossed over. i wanted to see how she dealt with thirst and being around humans instead of it seeming really easy :/
Yes. No renesmee. Was such a cop out for Bella to still get kids too. She should have had to make that sacrifice to be with Edward. I hate in movies where they get everything they want lol. But also… I was so excited to just read more about them becoming a married couple and I feel like we saw none of that in the last book. So disappointed.
Here’s my theory…. Smeyer doesn’t actually know what a marriage without kids looks like. She’s Mormon— probably started having kids very shortly into her marriage. I think it’s a bit of lack of imagination and only having experienced married life with kids.
It's a tie between correcting Jacob's character in the later books and getting rid of riddle-me-ree.
Roussette is most certainly the biggest issue in the series. Had it not been for her, I would have chosen to focus on another character. Fixing Jacob, allowing Bree to live, having Bella stand up to those who mistreat her...but that creepy child just ruins it all.
r/twilight • [10]Summarize
why does jacob insist on being with bella when he knows he could imprint at any time?
Posted by LiePsychological6493 · in r/twilight · 3 years agosorry if this has been asked before, but this question occurred to me during Eclipse while binging last night. if jacob knows he’ll imprint one day/ could imprint at any time, why does he insist on being with bella so much, knowing he could drop her at any time?
I think he’s just trying to fight his nature. He had feelings for Bella before he became a werewolf, and after he finds out, he says multiple times that he didn’t want to a werewolf, and he probably thinks he can overcome imprinting. I hadn’t thought about it like this before but all the characters are fighting their nature.
He longs to be in control of his own destiny. He resents that he can't help but be a werewolf and one day imprint. He's seen his friends completely lose their sense of selves after imprinting and he's horrified by it. I think he's also holding out hope that one day he'll imprint on Bella.
There's actually a cool video on yt that describes the youtubers' interpretation of the "lack of choice" themes in Twilight, including Jacob's journey: https://youtu.be/1eOr58c9rRg
Love that vid by Big Joel. Did you see the vid from CJtheX about Breaking Dawn? Amazing. Except for trashing R's name the whole time, I love love love that video (when I originally heard it I liked the name variations, but now I'm tired of that joke about her name because actually I like her name a lot). https://youtu.be/ceP62v1sACI
The wolves were originally told and thus convinced that imprinting is a rare occurrence, that the chances of imprinting happening are extremely low.
Jacob did start to take the possibility into account that he might imprint on someone else, but only in Breaking Dawn, I think. There, he tried to actively imprint on someone, so he could finally be free of his feelings for Bella and wouldn't have to deal with the possible loss if she didn't make it. But between Eclipse and BD, a bunch of wolves imprinted and they finally started to suspect that it might not be such a rare occurrence after all.
During Eclipse, there were only a few wolves who had imprinted if I remember correctly, so he just didn't take that possibility into account, especially because he was still convinced that his love for Bella was his one true love (like you tend to do being 16 or 17).
I think imprinting frequency is related to the growing and persistent presence of vampires .
When Cullens first encounter the Quileutes I don't think they stayed very long and I'm not sure if the family was complete could have been only Carlisle Esmee and Edward .
Then they come back more of them and many other vampires start passing through the area and the state with eclipse then it's like the whole gang comes over from Italy lol in BD .
So werewolf genes Prime directive went into hyperdrive, the danger is bigger we need to insure stronger werewolves be born .
That could definitely be the case.
The increase in imprinting could also come from the extreme increase in wolves. The last pack before Sam turned were three wolves, so the chances of them meeting their soulmates are smaller, compared to the huge amount of wolves there are during Breaking Dawn especially. If you have ~25 wolves (I'm just guessing here, I don't remeber the exact number), wven if only half of them imprint, that's still 12 or 13 wolves. That is quite a big number compared to maybe 1 per pack before.
But SM has so far not given a cannon explanation, at least not as far as I'm aware of. So your guess is as good as mine or any other.
Jacob has a lot of unresolved resentment for his werewolf nature. He didn’t want to imprint on anybody and pitied Quil for imprinting on a toddler and thought the whole Leah/Sam thing was a terrible tragedy. Jacob is also supposed to be the Alpha and wouldn’t take up the job cause he didn’t want it. He really wanted to be in control of his own life and not be forcibly bonded with someone which is really messed up of SM to make him imprint on Renesmee, probably for Bella’s sake.
> A lot of resentment for his werewolf nature
👍 Refraining from any romantic relationship (Bella included) would require accepting his ww nature (which Jacob wasn't completely ready for) and being over-responsible (which wasn't Jacob's thing either).
everyone else is giving deep and thoughtful answers but imo hes just a teenage boy who isnt thinking too far ahead and likes the girl thats immediately in front of him
Yeah, but, but, being a wolf he can her all the wolf's thoughts that have imprinted... so he knows what it's like. With how unfair he thinks Bella being a vampire would be, you would think he would have the same feelings about pursuing her knowing that she could end up like Leah.
see this was kind of my logic too. my best friend and i just kept saying “these are high schoolers. jacob is like 15.” at the end of the day, not one of these characters have a fully developed frontal lobe lol if any of them were less selfish the stories would simply not work
Not only that but the Quileutes are under the impression that imprinting is rare. Jacob seemed to be hoping that it just wouldn’t happen for him and he’d be able to choose his life partner.
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