Pitch Clock Violations
One of the newer penalties in baseball involves violations of the pitch clock. This rule was introduced to speed up the pace of the game by limiting the time pitchers and batters take between pitches. A pitcher who violates the pitch clock receives a ball, while a batter who violates it receives a strike [5:2]
[5:5]. The penalty for batters is considered more severe because they only have three strikes compared to four balls for pitchers
[5:3].
Balks
A balk is one of the most misunderstood penalties in baseball. It occurs when a pitcher makes an illegal motion on the mound that deceives the runner(s). Balks result in all runners advancing one base [4]. Understanding what constitutes a balk can be complex, as it involves specific rules about how a pitcher must behave during their delivery.
Runner's Lane Interference
Runner's lane interference is another penalty that can occur when a batter-runner fails to stay within the designated lane on their way to first base, potentially interfering with a fielder attempting to catch a throw. This violation results in the batter being called out [4].
Obstruction
Obstruction is called when a fielder, not in possession of the ball, impedes the progress of a runner. This penalty allows the runner to advance to the next base they were attempting to reach [4]. Obstruction plays can be tricky to call and often require careful judgment from the umpires.
Unwritten Rules and Their Impact
While not official penalties, unwritten rules in baseball can lead to consequences such as players getting hit by pitches or benches clearing. These unwritten rules include actions like bunting during a no-hitter, excessive celebrations, or breaking certain traditional codes of conduct [1:6]
[3]. These cultural norms can affect gameplay and player interactions significantly, even if they don't result in formal penalties.
I was just reading another article about a guy getting plunked for pimping a homer. Some people think it's about respect for the game, others think it's outdated nonsense. got me wondering where the rest of the fans stand.
Yea, this rule is dumb. As a pitcher, this is dumb too. Is the no-hitter an impressive feat if the other team was intentionally handicapping themselves for some stupid honor rule?
Don’t you dare bunt when you’re being no hit
Edit: Yes, in a 1-0 or even a 2-0 ballgame, I understand the possibility of bunting, but let’s be real, who likes to see a no hitter broken up in the 8th inning when the score is 6-0? It’s a pathetic move.
I'm actually okay with this, especially if it's a low scoring game and you need to get a runner on base. If the team wants to preserve the no hitter then play defense.
That leads to a slippery slope though. Is it OK to do when you’re down 6 in the 8th? What about down 7 in the 7th? 8 in the 6th? Down 5 in the 8th?
The fringe cases make it seem easy: bunting when you’re down 0-1 in the 9th to break up a No No is fine. Bunting when you’re down 0-14 is probably not cool. But everything in between is muddy
I agree with low scoring games when it’s still competitive. But let’s be real, no one likes to see a no hitter/perfect game get broken up in the 8th inning of a 6-0 ballgame bc a guy laid down a bunt.
The rule protecting catchers from collisions at the plate is one of the best changes in recent memory. As a former catcher who got my bell rung on a play at the plate in high school it’s so ridiculous to me that a full grown professional athlete running full speed at a immobile guy looking the other direction is thought of as a sports play. It’s the most one sided situation in all of sports that has ended numerous careers.
Dislocated my thumb on my glove hand when I was 16 from getting ran over at the plate. They had 1st and 3rd, and we had the play on where if they stole, the SS comes in and cuts the throw. They stole, we executed the play and the kid was out by like 30 feet. I was just standing there waiting for him, but he never broke stride and came full speed and just blew me up. I braced for impact when I realized he was about to treat me like “Terrible” Terry Tate the office linebacker. Weirdest thing was that the umpire didn’t eject him, and my coach who was (rightfully) livid got tossed instead. Held on to the ball so he was out, which is the only thing I really cared about.
I like the one where the bullpen has to sprint all the way across the field when the benches clear just to stand there menacingly. Never not funny
They need to go to a hockey rule of only the people on the field can fight or argue. Or starters. Rhe bench and bullpen should never be on the field.
So if you have an altercation only 18 people should be involved. Not 30 and some stupid trot from the outfield.
What’s your math on there being 18 players on the field simultaneously? Even counting base coaches, offense maxes out at 6 dudes.
Thee is no rule saying that a team has to use a DH. Any team that wants to let their pitcher bat can do so and take part in the strategies that you describe. Why don't they? Because having a pitcher hit reduces your chance of winning. Of course Joc Pederson is hitting .180 as the Rangers DH so maybe they would be better off having the pitcher hit.
The Buster Posey Rule, in fact.
In the NBA it's very rare to get injured from just simply running (although ankle sprains are common with jumping). Why is it very common to get injured for running or hustling down the 1st base line? In regards to Madrigal. How do baseball players suffer these types of injuries if they aren't frequently running up and down the field unless they're hitting or fielding?
I mean, I'm not a medical professional but I think lots of it has to do with the quick transition from barely moving at all to a full speed sprint as soon as a ball is hit in play.
Think about it, they stand perfectly still in the dugout and only move occasionally when fielding, and then they are instantly forced into strenuous action when they need to beat out a throw. That takes a toll on your muscles.
I don't even think the notion that NBA players don't get injured running is even correct. There's been a decent amount of hamstring and groin injuries in the NBA this season too.
I also don't think the running spurts from going around the bases is going to be more taxing on MLB players compared to NBA players who have to move laterally and jump around. You can run past first and slide into other bases if you need to decelerate, the NBA you can't do that because of how explosive the movements are.
Imo, NBA players probably have better medical staff along with a more robust training staff. They've been saying they're taking note of how European soccer teams keep their players fit and healthy despite all the running they do every week. I wouldn't say overall fitness is a priority in MLB as opposed to other sports.
It could also just be that MLB players are too bulky since the bigger NBA players seem to get injured and worn out more frequently.
Not a bad take but basketball and soccer players also do this, mostly on change of possession such as a stolen pass. I think it may have more to do with the surface they're on (relatively unstable dirt) as well as the bags (as u/JayElecHanukkah theorized).
I'm a soccer player myself. While we certainly start, stop, and accelerate a lot, I don't think the abruptness of it is to the same degree as baseball.
You're constantly in the middle of an ongoing game and often jogging or walking even when the ball isn't near you, so I never feel as if my muscles totally relax like a baseball player's would (besides halftime).
But I absolutely do think that stretching/reaching for the bag could be a huge factor in this.
Edit: to clarify, these injuries do happen in soccer and the NBA. Just not with the same frequency as baseball.
There was a fascinating interview on Effectively Wild a month or two ago with a guy that works with pitchers specifically on injury prevention.
It was all about deceleration. Like it doesn’t matter how fast your delivery is if you can’t properly decelerate safely.
Genuinely interesting shit & a departure from a lot of the typical talk around mechanics.
Then a few weeks ago Glasnow posts that sick video of his process in between his starts & he specifically mentions training to make sure he can decelerate properly. Caught my attention for sure.
As everyone said, explosive movements, but also hitting the base is always pretty risky, especially in full sprint. I also think a lot of the times the injuries happen during the swing, but players don’t feel them until they start running.
> In the NBA it's very rare to get injured from just simply running
Also, basketball courts are pretty small, so it’s rare to see a basketball player in full sprint on a court. It’s also harder to go full spring while dribbling, and everyone is following the ball, so if the person with the ball isn’t sprinting, you don’t really have a reason to either
> basketball courts are pretty small, so it’s rare to see a basketball player in full sprint on a court.
Yep, the length of an NBA court is only 1.86 feet longer than the length between MLB bases. There is never a point in an NBA game where a player runs full bore from a stop the same distance MLB players do from home to first.
Yup. MLB players also run through first base. And they also slide in order to stop their momentum quickly. Or they run multiple bases at a time
It's the base, right? I feel comfortable saying most injuries from baserunning come from either stretching to reach the bag, landing/stepping awkwardly on the bag or diving/sliding to the bag. Trying to step on the bag when it doesn't line up with your stride at full speed leads to awkward movements.
The Pirates figured out how to avoid those injuries.
It ’s an MLB conspiracy to weaken the White Sox
That’s 2 core players injured in running to 1st Base
Yet what doesn’t kill us makes us stronger
Don’t worry
It’s not like your only 2 hitters in total with an OPS above .800 are injury prone OFs
Unwritten rules can be very frustrating sometimes, but I noticed that there were couple of "unwritten rules" that is just beautiful to be there, simply respecting the game of baseball.
The home team fans shall boo the away pitcher any time they check a runner on base. Don’t know why this is a thing, and I both roll my eyes and chuckle every single time.
Booing umpires too, though this sometimes goes from charming to groan inducing.
I umpire myself so I know how it is. But I don’t care if I’m at the right field foul line if Kershaw throws a slider and Will Smith catches it well and you call a ball you get boo’d deal with it 😎
Yeah, that’s hilarious. “No throwing over!” And they’ll often yell “balk..!” I was at Fenway Sunday though, and that happened, and they did call a balk, which was pretty funny, cuz it looked like the umps were obeying the crowd. They weren’t, obviously, but it was funny.
One thing I love is that when the catcher gets hit by a foul ball, the ump gives him time to recover by sweeping off home plate or another time wasting thing, and when the ump gets hit by a foul ball, the catcher usually goes to talk to the pitcher on the mound to give him time to recover. Mutual respect for those in harms way.
Same goes for a batter who fouls one off of his body, especially his foot. That’s an automatic “plate is dirty” moment.
Not always. Suzuki on the cubs recently fouled one off his junk and then got called for a pitch clock.
Had an ump do me a real solid once when I took a fastball straight to the cup (pitcher misread the signal for a knuckle). Ump cleaned off the plate, saw I was still in pain, kicked some dirt back on it and cleaned it again.
I'll walk the ball out to the pitcher and chat with him for a bit until I see that the catcher is ready to go.
Catchers do this for umpires, too. If we take a good hit, they'll ask us for a baseball, then walk it out to the pitcher until we are ready to go.
I distinctly remember learning this in Middle school (when I started seriously playing ball). I’ll never forget when I caught a foul tip right on wrist and sounded like a motherfucker. The umpire not just cleaned home plate but walked it all the way to the pitcher. It was the first time I had noticed it. I’m sure it had been done before but that was the first time that the impact probably sounded worse than it was so I was clear enough minded to notice the impact. Best believe I blocked every single pitch for that umpire whether it was 0-0 no one on base or not. I never got his name but I did shake his hand at the end of it. Thank you for bringing up that memory…it’s a fond one.
I always told each catcher "you don't have to like me, but for the next 7 innings, we're each other's best friend"
I was at Derek Lowe's no hitter. My buddy wasn't aware of this rule and in the 6th inning he looked at the scoreboard and said "hey, he's throwing a no hitter, I've never seen a no hitter before". Fenway was pretty quiet at the time so it really carried.
I’ve heard from some pitchers who check runners more when they get booed as a payback move.
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Here’s one: what is a swing? Seriously. What constitutes a swing?
An attempt to offer at a pitch.
Very subjective, and people overthink it. Simply ask that question to yourself and make your decision.
Exactly; what distinguishes a swing from “not a swing” is completely subjective. That is, baseball’s most fundamental act - the attempt to strike the ball - is not defined in the rules.
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The pitch clock was created because pitchers stalled for 40 seconds possibly a minute at times but there is also a batter penalty. In fact it's more brutal then the pitcher penalty since not only is it a strike (batters get 3 strikes as opposed to 4 balls) and it comes not at 0 but 8 seconds.
Option 3 means a pitcher throws the ball over the plate once the clock reaches a certain time and if it touches the catchers glove (caught or not) it counts as a strike. If something else happens it's a no result (like a 2 strike foul but regardless of strikes).
The rule is just as much about the batter doing a 20 second routine messing with his batting gloves and walking around outside the box as it is about pitchers. The basic premise of your post is incorrect.
First week of spring training continues over-reactions to the pitch clock.
Option 3 is just dumb. Taking time out for a pitcher to throw a pitch when the rules are there to speed up play makes no sense.
Option 4 is especially a no go because then there is no incentive for a batter to get in the box on time. It also would make games go slower. Anyone voting for this has not thought through this at all and is just a knee jerk reaction. Which, sadly, is in line with redditors.
Edit: Option 2 would mean a batter can game things with two strikes without penalty while the pitcher still has a penalty on the table in the same count. That doesn't work.
Option 3 doesn't even make sense because if it only needs to hit the catchers glove, they'll just do a pitch out.
Strike is fine. Get in the damn box.
Yeah batters were definetly at fault also... in 2022 I spent much more time than I wanted watching guys unvelcro and velcroing gloves
I don’t think we should overdo the penalties - just do enough to make sure players take it seriously. My thought is that whenever a batter commits a clock violation, there should be a small chance (about 1 in 40,000) that the umpire pulls out a gun and shoots him.
Specifically shot in the foot that was outside the box 😂
They’re tardy because it’s tolerated. You stomp that shit out first year by kicking people out and making examples out of them - it wouldn’t be an issue. If for 3 years players felt like they could get away with it - why would they stop?
THIS. Reminds me of that story when Jimmy Johnson cut a player in the middle of a meeting for dozing off (or something like that).
The Amazon version of Hard Knocks covered the Cardinals with Bruce Arians it's first year. He told the players to park in a certain parking lot and a bunch of dudes kept parking in the staff parking lot anyhow and he cut one of the practice squad dudes for it.
You think people fucked with Bill Belicheck more than once. He'd bench, trade or cut guys who showed up late. What was the one RB that did really good in a super bowl, Bolden maybe? Next year he showed up late to a few meetings and got cut.
If there was no disciplinary action taken then these guys were just paying a fee to show up late. I'd pay ten or twenty bucks so I could sleep in a little before work. Hopefully it changes.
If you're making millions a year a small fine isn't going to matter to them. You can't bench Hill (who apparently has a clause of something like 1m per game or something high).
How to deal with adult man children who make insane amounts of money and are absolutely crucial to success of the organization is not something I know how to deal with. I don't envy him.
Wish they could restructure some contracts to shift a lot of that money to bonuses tied to milestones. Then the threat of missing playtime (vs a small fine) hits a bit harder.
💀💀💀 yeah they don’t respect McDaniel shocker
I hope McDaniel grows and learns from this. It's been 25+ years of bullshit, I think I've developed the patience to give one of the youngest HCs in the league some leeway and develop.
Start laying the hammer down, Mike. Bench, suspend, cut guys if you must. This is your team to run.
This has been the most enjoyable Dolphins run in decades, so I get why it makes sense to keep McDaniel. But I think his super-laid back goofiness needs to mature a bit, where he isn't trying to be everyone's friend - but their respected boss.
Everyone is gonna shit on McDaniel for this but fuck the players who don’t take this seriously. Fuck them all. People pay real money for tickets and these dudes are making boatloads.
An environment is only as professional as the leaders make it. The coaching staff created this problem
MLB thought they knew what that punishment was until they read this.
If the Geneva Convention applied to MLB, they'd already be in trouble for banning tobacco (which yes, is really protected by the Convention).
> Harsher than the black soxs?
The Black Sox penalties were against players. This might be referring to a severe penalty to the Astros organization.
Well he said one of so maybe? I don’t imagine there gonna ban every Astros player though, the front office might be cleaned the fuck out though.
> I don’t imagine there gonna ban every Astros player though, the front office might be cleaned the fuck out though.
I'd much rather vacating the championship than player suspensions. Managers and up should def be suspended though.
They should suspend every player though. Obviously they'd have to be staggered to make it work, but everyone who was part of the cheating needs to miss a significant amount of games.
I think the players would rather have a lifetime ban.
I stole this from twitter:
> Ban Hinch Ban Cora. Loss of draft picks 10s of million$ in fines Loss of International Draft Pool $$$ Shrink Altuve by another 3 inches...
Even other players on AL West teams would rather take a lifetime ban
Fuck that. Orbit is a saint. If he was involved in cheating, I don’t know that I could watch baseball ever again.
Well, eight players were aware of the fix. The evidence suggests only seven participated. Buck Weaver seemingly just knew about it and failed to report it.
"One of the harshest penalties"
Honestly dont think itll be Black Sox harsh, but close to it
What are your most common and embarrassing missed calls?
Here are mine:
- Batters that claim they were touched by the pitched ball, usually in the foot with a pitch in the dirt, but I can't see it because the catcher is in the way. The whole ballpark can see it, but the umpire 2 feet away cannot.
- Tag plays especially at the plate where a lot of people can see the play. I just don't think most umpires get enough practice on close tag plays. We see them, make a call, we get the creeps, and unlike MLB we don't get a good video where we could learn a) what the true call was or b) what mistakes in positioning or use of eyes we would need to nail those calls.
- Pickoff plays at first from B. Again it's very hard to see the whole play, so I feel like we're guessing.
I find coaches don’t argue with me if the ball has beat the runner and the tag wasn’t utter dogshit that I call the runner out
To clarify, I meant the ones where the runner runs past the fielder, doesn't go more than three feet from their basepath and a tag is tried. The runner's body physically shields you from seeing the tag.
Working solo, it's steals. Regardless, for me it's catcher interference. I can never tell immediately what happened.
I tell the coaches at the plate meeting, if I see the ball beat the runner the chance of an out is extremely high. It's to hard to tell from home if the runner was safe at 2nd.
I feel like the solo steals don't count in this exercise. We're not really expected to get those calls right, so misses aren't really embarassing. Sorry coach, i though I had a tag, and I'm 90 feet away from 2nd base with no angle and the coach is much closer and has a great angle. That one doesn't bother me.
I cover this in pre-game. "Coaches, I'm alone and 2nd Base is really far away. I have no partner to appeal to, and no instant replay. I'm going to do the best I can, but it's hard to see. If you get mad at one of my calls, pay for 2 umpires next time"
Working solo behind the plate, pickoff at 3rd base. Impossible
Calling pickoffs from B is hard to do. It's not a great angle, and the play is going away from you, which always makes it harder. I take a step forward and then move myself to the right to improve my angle but stay close enough to get a good look at 2B on a steal attempt.
I work with guys who will move to deep C with only R1. They say they get a better look at it from there. I haven't tried it, but I may in some of the summer ball games where teams are just playing "friendly" games to tune things up for tournaments.
I think I used to miss more than a few calls at home because my positioning sucked. Being very mindful of getting myself into the wedge has helped me with that a lot. It is amazing how much that improves your look. I'd bet on myself on replay on any call I've made in the last couple of years.
My current issue is my timing. I have a bad habit of not letting a play finish up, and more than once I've had to sheepishly change an out call to a safe call because I was too quick and didn't see the ball was actually on the ground. Or I've had to change a safe to an out because a runner beat a tag on a stolen base, only to come off the base as the fielder kept the tag on.
I'm getting better at plate timing, and I think my zone has improved markedly as I've been concentrating more on that. But I will still sometimes make up my mind too soon on a pitch that looks like it will be there, but ducks down or tails out at the last moment. By the time I realize it wasn't there I am already calling it a strike then silently berating myself.
We are all a work in progress. Nobody ever becomes perfect at any aspect of this game - player, coach, or umpire - which is why I love it so much. Every day is a new challenge, and every game gives us an opportunity to get better.
In B I move closer to the mound to get a better angle. I figure I have time to get to second on the longer throw on a steal
The play that I see missed all the time, and never complain about because you guys get put in a bad position… Two man crew runner on first left-handed pitcher, balk.
You're right. And even more nitpicky we could go defensive interference since it isn't limited to the catcher. Why can't we have one term for offense and one term for defense? This is the defensive exception and no wonder we all get confused.
Catcher's obstruction.
I feel so dumb when a batter asks a catcher if they are ok after hitting their glove.
He’s trying to bunt it at the opposing dugout with that stance
he's also standing on the plate which is an automatic strike anyway
Why is he standing on the plate and aiming towards foul territory
Bunts were once traditionally done with the handle end of the bat. A true show of offensive dominance.
They got it from billiards.
Oh man what the hell I didn’t know that
Ah, Jay Gatsby
Slashed .349/.428/.554 in 1923 with 43 HRs
Overshadowed by Ruth though
/uj
So you don't have to look it up: 5.09d actually says that a following runner isn't effected by a preceding runner failing to touch a base (unless there's two outs).
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They're gonna suspend Tati, Manny, Suarez, and Shildty for the season, and force us to pay the doyers restitution for hitting golden boy ohtani
Dave Roberts better get some kind of punishment for putting hands on Shildt.
Suarez probably going to get something.
MLB radio thought Shildt would get suspended too, which seems nuts to me unless it’s like a 1 game and Robert’s gets 7.
He'll get dinged because he hit the goose who lays the golden eggs for MLB. Hands off Ohtani! Don't bet against this (wink, wink)
Managers leave the dugout to check on their players. He definitely should not have stayed in his seat. Not to mention he is totally justified in yelling/being upset about his star player getting hit again and again.
Suarez is getting suspended for certain. Bradgley Rodriguez come on down.
I don't know what other suspensions are warranted on our end. Shildt justifiably was angry because he just saw one of our players get hurt and Roberts was the one who escalated.
Last time i heard about Bradgley Rodriguez is that he got an injury..dont know how bad it is though
Bradgley Rodriguez is injured.
Bicep injury.
BS DR should have not had yet another pitcher go high and tight on Tatis again he started the whole thing
Suarez could use a break anyways. His heaters must do some wear on the muscles
That’s what I love about hockey. Gets your hits in, get it out of your system, then goto timeout for a few minutes
Totally disagree. He had a right to be on the field because one of his star players was injured. Of course he ran out and checked on him. And of course he told everyone to fuck off and stood up for his guys while he was there. This is stuff that happens every day in MLB. It's what managers do. You'll be handing out a lot of suspensions if you suspend for that. I get the ejection for sure but suspension is too much. Roberts wouldn't even get a suspension except for the shove and he was being much more inflammatory. A Suarez suspension or fine I understand.
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