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Can someone definitively define for me....what is a balk? I’ve watched all the videos but it seems to be the “pass interference” of baseball. Some umps call it, others don’t.
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What is a Balk in Baseball?

TL;DR A balk occurs when a pitcher makes an illegal motion on the mound that deceives the runner, resulting in all runners advancing one base.

Definition and Common Scenarios

A balk is essentially an illegal action performed by the pitcher intended to deceive the baserunners. The rules surrounding balks are complex and often lead to confusion among players and fans alike [1:4]. A typical example of a balk is when a pitcher fakes a pitch or a throw to a base without completing the motion, which is meant to trick the runner into making a move [1:9], [3:2].

Pitching Mechanics and Set Position

When pitching from the stretch position, the pitcher must come to a complete stop before delivering the pitch. Failure to do so can result in a balk call. This includes not coming to a discernible stop with hands in front before pitching, which is considered as intentionally deceiving the runner [4:3], [4:6]. Additionally, any unnecessary movements like leg fidgeting during the set position may also be classified as a balk [4:10].

Umpire's Role and Judgment

The umpire plays a crucial role in identifying and calling a balk. Unlike other calls in baseball, the umpire simply shouts "That's a balk!" while pointing at the pitcher [1:3], [4:5]. The subjective nature of the call can vary between umpires, leading to debates and discussions about the consistency of balk calls [3:2], [5:1].

Educational Resources and Events

Understanding balks can be challenging due to their nuanced nature. There are resources and events aimed at educating umpires and enthusiasts about balks, providing frameworks for decision-making and practical scenarios to better grasp the concept [5:1], [5:3]. These resources aim to calibrate judgment under pressure and help avoid common mistakes across different levels of play.

Conclusion

While balks are a common occurrence in baseball, they remain one of the most debated and misunderstood aspects of the game. By understanding the mechanics involved and the role of the umpire, players and fans can better navigate the complexities of this rule.

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Can someone definitively define for me....what is a balk? I’ve watched all the videos but it seems to be the “pass interference” of baseball. Some umps call it, others don’t.

Posted by FactCheckOnTheFly · in r/baseball · 6 years ago
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Augug · 6 years ago

Balk Rules

You can't just be up there and just doin' a balk like that.

1a. A balk is when you

1b. Okay well listen. A balk is when you balk the

1c. Let me start over

1c-a. The pitcher is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, batter, that prohibits the batter from doing, you know, just trying to hit the ball. You can't do that.

1c-b. Once the pitcher is in the stretch, he can't be over here and say to the runner, like, "I'm gonna get ya! I'm gonna tag you out! You better watch your butt!" and then just be like he didn't even do that.

1c-b(1). Like, if you're about to pitch and then don't pitch, you have to still pitch. You cannot not pitch. Does that make any sense?

1c-b(2). You gotta be, throwing motion of the ball, and then, until you just throw it.

1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the ball up here, like this, but then there's the balk you gotta think about.

1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Balk hasn't been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn't typecast as that racist lady in American History X.

1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse.

1c-b(2)-b(ii). "get in mah bellah" -- Adam Water, "The Waterboy." Haha, classic...

1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A balk is when the pitcher makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the baseball and field of

Do not do a balk please

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Doctor_Sauce · 6 years ago

The best part about a balk is that the umpire's call for it is shouting "THAT'S A BALK!" and pointing at the pitcher.

Like you've got all these great hand signals for strikes, outs, fair balls, safe baserunners, etc. etc. but then balk is just shouting and pointing at the bad balking man.

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roasthandofcaillou · 6 years ago

Balk man bad

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Protonic_hydroxide · 6 years ago

They even have a signal for replay review (hands by the ears). But balk is still just "yell at the pitcher."

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Linkitivity · 6 years ago

I used to catch when I was younger and the first time the ump yelled at my pitcher for balking I may or may not have been scared shitless

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atomicspace · 6 years ago

It’s like when the pitcher pretends to throw to the batter to catch a runner trying to steal.

You can choose to quickly throw the ball to a baseman, but you can’t fake a pitch before you do it.

When you fake a windup to trick players into making a move, that’s a balk.

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tenshillings · 6 years ago

It also has to do with having control of the rubber. If a pitchers foot is on the home plate side of the rubber it is the equivalent to being in the batters box. Once he moves his foot to the second base side of the rubber its like stepping out of the box. If he motions to pitch with control of the rubber then throws somewhere else its a balk.

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shabinka · 6 years ago

Yeah those are the main points of a balk

Most balks nowadays are just front shoulder twitches or something small.

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UmmanMandian · 6 years ago

The balk bit is a bit of a meme.

It's kind of like asking why they don't use more technical aids to call a better strike zone.

Or asking why umps aren't replaced when they do a garbage job night after night.

The conversations on the topic have been had so many times in so many ways by so many people that talking about it is just rehashing the same old point for the umpteenth time.

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Underbubble · 6 years ago

If you’re in your windup, don’t fake your pitching motion to fake out the batter or throw out the runner on first. It has to be one continuous motion.

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eekbarbaderkle · 6 years ago

r/baseball has a tendency to downvote people for asking any question at any time.

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Chajios · 6 years ago

There are a couple rules on how to react to a balk call in a game you are watching.

If the balk was called on the opposing team: Nod your head sagely, say out loud, "Yep, subtle, but definitely a balk, good call by the ump", and proceed to argue with everyone around you on the definition of a balk.

If the balk was called on your team: Extend one or both arms, say out loud, "What the hell, how was that a balk?", and proceed to argue with everyone around you on the definition of a balk.

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CanEatADozenEggs · 3 years ago

Obligatory:

Balk Rules

You can't just be up there and just doin' a balk like that.

1a. A balk is when you

1b. Okay well listen. A balk is when you balk the

1c. Let me start over

1c-a. The pitcher is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, batter, that prohibits the batter from doing, you know, just trying to hit the ball. You can't do that.

1c-b. Once the pitcher is in the stretch, he can't be over here and say to the runner, like, "I'm gonna get ya! I'm gonna tag you out! You better watch your butt!" and then just be like he didn't even do that.

1c-b(1). Like, if you're about to pitch and then don't pitch, you have to still pitch. You cannot not pitch. Does that make any sense?

1c-b(2). You gotta be, throwing motion of the ball, and then, until you just throw it.

1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the ball up here, like this, but then there's the balk you gotta think about.

1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Balk hasn't been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn't typecast as that racist lady in American History X.

1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse.

1c-b(2)-b(ii). "get in mah bellah" -- Adam Water, "The Waterboy." Haha, classic...

1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A balk is when the pitcher makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the baseball and field of

Do not do a balk please

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Sheepies123 · 3 years ago

Love me a nice, obvious balk

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melomud23 · 3 years ago

What did the Mariners pitcher at 1:20 do?Im confused

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nack4vintage · 3 years ago

Watched this whole thing. Still not 100% what a balk is

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Sheepies123 · 3 years ago

You really only know it when you see it. The announcers say "you can see it right there" several times because they don't know how to actually describe it.

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Boo-Yeah8484 · 3 years ago

Not even Abner Doubleday knows.

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lx5spd · 3 years ago

Those were all definitely something

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Balk it like I talk it

Posted by RobertSleddington · in r/MLB_9Innings · 2 months ago

When the French toast did they add balks? I'm not complaining about it, because I just got a free run from one. But it took me by surprise. Lol.

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9InningsCompanion · 2 months ago

Alright, I'll tee someone up. What a balk?

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DresserDraw · 2 months ago

Throw over to a base more than twice without picking off the base runner. MLB instituted it a year or two ago and Com.2 put it in at the same time.

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blamenixon · 2 months ago

That's the newer "automatic balk", but the rule has been around a while. It's when a pitcher makes a throwing motion or begins their movement process towards the home plate but then throws to another base, or steps off the strip, or sometimes when their front foot moves off the strip....or all sorts of other scenarios. It's almost like an umpire's preference, but also leads to some interesting scenarios and breakdowns.

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orangeducttape7 · 2 months ago

Balks are so complicated. If you sat me down and asked me to write out, to the best of my understanding, the Major League Baseball rule book, the section for "balks" would look something like this.

BALK RULES! IMPORTANT!

  1. You can't just be up there and just doin' a balk like that. 1a. A balk is when you 1b. Okay well listen. A balk is when you balk the 1c. Let me start over 1c-a. The pitcher is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, batter, that prohibits the batter from doing, you know, just trying to hit the ball. You can't do that. 1c-b. Once the pitcher is in the stretch, he can't be over here and say to the runner, like, "I'm gonna get ya! I'm gonna tag you out! You better watch your butt!" and then just be like he didn't even do that. 1c-b(1). Like, if you're about to pitch and then don't pitch, you have to still pitch. You cannot not pitch. Does that make any sense? 1c-b(2). You gotta be, throwing motion of the ball, and then, until you just throw it. 1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the ball up here, like this, but then there's the balk you gotta think about. 1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Balk hasn't been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn't typecast as that racist lady in American History X. 1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse. 1c-b(2)-b(ii). "get in mah bellah" -- Adam Water, "The Waterboy." Haha, classic... 1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A balk is when the pitcher makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the baseball and field of
  2. Do not do a balk please.
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9InningsCompanion · 2 months ago

*slow clapping*

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real_steel24 · 2 months ago

Its been around for a while. I've had it come up several times over the last year or two

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RobertSleddington · OP · 2 months ago

Dang. This is the first time I've actually experienced it.

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Rich Hill gets called for a balk.

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Shannamalfarm · 3 years ago

Balk Rules

You can't just be up there and just doin' a balk like that.

1a. A balk is when you

1b. Okay well listen. A balk is when you balk the

1c. Let me start over

1c-a. The pitcher is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, batter, that prohibits the batter from doing, you know, just trying to hit the ball. You can't do that.

1c-b. Once the pitcher is in the stretch, he can't be over here and say to the runner, like, "I'm gonna get ya! I'm gonna tag you out! You better watch your butt!" and then just be like he didn't even do that.

1c-b(1). Like, if you're about to pitch and then don't pitch, you have to still pitch. You cannot not pitch. Does that make any sense?

1c-b(2). You gotta be, throwing motion of the ball, and then, until you just throw it.

1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the ball up here, like this, but then there's the balk you gotta think about.

1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Balk hasn't been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn't typecast as that racist lady in American History X.

1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse.

1c-b(2)-b(ii). "get in mah bellah" -- Adam Water, "The Waterboy." Haha, classic...

1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A balk is when the pitcher makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the baseball and field of

Do not do a balk please

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NirvanaFrk97 · 3 years ago

The "Let me start over" bit will always get a laugh out of me

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Lobster_fest · 3 years ago

One of the few times I look at a balk clip and think "yeah that's a balk".

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advester · 3 years ago

Was it the leg fidgeting, or the quick pitch?

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Sunsparc · 3 years ago

When pitching from the stretch (ie with runners on), a pitcher must "come set" with his hands in front of him and pause. Attempting to quick pitch without coming set is considered intentionally deceiving the runner on base aka a balk.

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JasperStrat · 3 years ago

Hill never comes to a complete stop, his hands were moving, and before they stop the leg is fidgeting and never stops before he lifts his hands to pitch. At no point does he have a "complete and discernible" stop so technically it is a "no stop" balk, not quite a quick pitch because that would be called exclusively by the home plate umpire and you can clearly hear a different umpire call the ball first, and a quick pitch is before the batter is ready, I don't think the batter or umpire was unprepared for the pitch so to say it was a quick pitch would be unfair.

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masterhogbographer · 3 years ago

Lol you can hear someone saying “that’s a balk” before he even has the pitch delivered

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an-itch-in-her-ditch · 3 years ago

It wasn’t a balk at that point. Had he paused and then delivered home it would have been fine.

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thebigkevdogg · 3 years ago

I assumed that someone is the ump, is it not?

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brbmycatexploded · 3 years ago

Omfg he’s calling for you guys? I love that so much. He was one of my favorites in his brief stint with the Royals. He’s so fun to listen to

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Sandwich_Crust · 3 years ago

I have no idea what a balk is but that kind of looks like a balk if I were to know what a balk was.

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drumedary · 3 years ago

-the umpire, probably

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Sept 23rd - Deciphering Balks

Posted by RefMasters · in r/Umpire · 1 month ago

Baseball’s most argued call often happens in the space between what everyone “felt” and what the rules actually say. 

Free virtual event: https://refmasters.app/posts/90075218?utm_source=manual

What you’ll get

  • A practical decision framework for balks you can run at full speed.
  • Code-specific checkpoints to avoid cross-level mistakes.
  • Film-driven reps and interactive scenarios that calibrate your judgment under pressure.

Who it’s for

Umpires at all levels—from varsity candidates to college/postseason crews.

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twentyitalians · 1 month ago

BALK RULES! IMPORTANT!

  1. You can't just be up there and just doin' a balk like that.

1a. A balk is when you

1b. Okay well listen. A balk is when you balk the-

1c. Let me start over

1c-a. The pitcher is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, batter, that prohibits the batter from doing, you know, just trying to hit the ball. You can't do that.

1c-b. Once the pitcher is in the stretch, he can't be over here and say to the runner, like, "I'm gonna get ya! I'm gonna tag you out! You better watch your butt!" and then just be like he didn't even do that.

1c-b(1). Like, if you're about to pitch and then don't pitch, you have to still pitch. You cannot not pitch. Does that make any sense?

1c-b(2). You gotta be, throwing motion of the ball, and then, until you just throw it.

1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the ball up here, like this, but then there's the balk you gotta think about.

1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Balk hasn't been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn't typecast as that racist lady in American History X.

1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse.

1c-b(2)-b(ii). "get in mah bellah" -- Adam Water, "The Waterboy." Haha, classic...

1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A balk is when the pitcher makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the baseball and field of

  1. Do not do a balk please.
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Ok-Replacement-9458 · 1 month ago

Couldn’t have said it better myself

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wixthedog · 1 month ago

This will be well worth attending!

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about the balk thing

Posted by UnknowinglyDEAD · in r/Homeplate · 3 years ago

When there's no runners in every base, and the pitcher cancels the windup, does that count a balk? Does the batter walks into first base?

Oh btw baseball isn't popular in my country so I'm asking the professionals here, so that I can rely to you guys in terms of having an important info

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J-D-Bizzle · 3 years ago

It is a balk but as there are no runners on base, no action is taken. The batter does not go to first on a balk.

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Clam_chowderdonut · 3 years ago

Illegal pitch. Batter is awarded a ball.

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BillBob13 · 3 years ago

No, batter doesn't get 1st base.

Depending on what happened, the batter might be awarded a ball, but otherwise nothing happens

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lbpkdpdvttauqyrzxw · 3 years ago

Think of it this way. Balks are a punishment for the defense to deceive the offense on the bases; runners.

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It’s a common meme here that nobody really understands what a balk is. How would you rewrite the balk rule to make it easier to understand?

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Panguin9 · 3 years ago

BALK RULES! IMPORTANT!

  1. You can't just be up there and just doin' a balk like that. 1a. A balk is when you 1b. Okay well listen. A balk is when you balk the 1c. Let me start over 1c-a. The pitcher is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, batter, that prohibits the batter from doing, you know, just trying to hit the ball. You can't do that. 1c-b. Once the pitcher is in the stretch, he can't be over here and say to the runner, like, "I'm gonna get ya! I'm gonna tag you out! You better watch your butt!" and then just be like he didn't even do that. 1c-b(1). Like, if you're about to pitch and then don't pitch, you have to still pitch. You cannot not pitch. Does that make any sense? 1c-b(2). You gotta be, throwing motion of the ball, and then, until you just throw it. 1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the ball up here, like this, but then there's the balk you gotta think about. 1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Balk hasn't been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn't typecast as that racist lady in American History X. 1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse. 1c-b(2)-b(ii). "get in mah bellah" -- Adam Water, "The Waterboy." Haha, classic... 1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A balk is when the pitcher makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the baseball and field of
  2. Do not do a balk please.

Edit: Duck mobile formatting

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BaseballsNotDead · 3 years ago

No need to rewrite the balk rules to make them easier to understand since most people complaining about balk rules have never read the balk rules in the first place. They aren't high level calculus and each one of the 13 stipulations on balks has a legitimate reason for being there.

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phrizand · 3 years ago

C’mon man - the stated purpose of penalizing balks is to prevent the pitcher from deceiving the runner as to whether he’s throwing a pitch or throwing to the base. In reality, deceptive motions are non-balks (like many lefty pickoff moves) and non-deceptive motions are balks (like a random muscle twitch). You can’t tell me that what gets called a balk is totally rational and always serves a legitimate purpose.

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worldspiney · 3 years ago

Some of those lefty moves are borderline balks that aren’t called

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BaseballsNotDead · 3 years ago

How do you draw up a rule that somehow defines the subjective difference between a muscle twitch and a slight motion to a base when the NFL can't even define what a catch is? Let alone make it clear and concise? The best is to make the rules strict and over 99% of the time pitchers have no problems sticking to those rules.

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pzycho · 3 years ago

There is definitely some room for improvement. I’ve seen balks called while the baseball is in the glove without the throwing hand near the ball. I don’t understand how anyone could be “tricking” the runner when they don’t even have a ball in their throwing hand.

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[deleted] · 3 years ago

"When a pitcher balks, then that is automatically ruled a balk."

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kahgknow · 3 years ago

"A balk is when you balk." Very well said.

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AnnihilatedTyro · 3 years ago

"Do not do a balk please."

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Uranus_Hz · 3 years ago

“You can’t just be up there just doin’ a balk like that”

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w00tberrypie · 3 years ago

HP Umpire: "when the pitcher twitches in a way I don't like."

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Perryplat199 · 3 years ago

Base umpires: “when the pitcher looked at me funny before twitching”

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MLB Network | What Constitutes a Balk?

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wontonsoupsucka · 6 years ago

Wow, he can't just be up there and just doin' a balk like that

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poliscijunki · 6 years ago

A balk is when you

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astern · 6 years ago

Okay well listen. A balk is when you balk the

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GnuoyNoremac · 6 years ago

So basically a balk is entirely dependent on whether the pitcher steps behind the rubber or not?

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Born_Ruff · 6 years ago

In this case apparently, though there seems to be 50 other potential ways to balk as well.

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mhoner · 6 years ago

I like to think of it as did satchel Paige create it? If so then yes it’s a balk

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[deleted] · 6 years ago

I think that's the gist of it. The pitcher can only move in a strict pitching motion while engaged with the rubber, but can move around like any other fielder as long as he steps off.

It's a pretty confusing subject though so maybe I'm wrong

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holy_cal · 6 years ago

Basically no one really knows what a balk actually is.

But seriously, I went to a Low A Delmarva Shorebirds game and my mom splurged for box seats, normally we just went for general admission (entry was free with your little league jersey). So notable local politician Richard Colburn, a Maryland State Senator at the time, sat right in front of us and he was getting lit. He was so obnoxiously drunk every time the opposing pitcher set his hands this guy yelled Balk at the top of his lungs.

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dragoncockles · 6 years ago

does harold reynolds seriously not realize that shields could have stepped back and to the side at the same time? Like his whole argument is based on the fact that shields' foot ends up farther right than it started, but he ignores that its also clearly behind the rubber. i really don't like that guy, he never seems to have a full grasp on reality

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Dr_Beef_ · 6 years ago

yeah, he's trying to make Dempster look like an idiot here, but i tend to agree with Dempster that Shields cleared the mound.

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baseball44121 · 6 years ago

He's irked me since the 2015 ALDS against the rangers. After a ball was sharply fouled into the stands in Texas, he mentioned that in Toronto, a foul ball into the stands isn't frequently caught because we don't play baseball very much up here.

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UghImRegistered · 6 years ago

Lol he caught so much flak for that it was kind of cringey. He was spouting nonsense sure but it was just filler. Afterwards he handled it pretty well, he was like "whoa fuck I get it you like baseball."

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r/ClevelandGuardians • [9]

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For everyone complaining that that was a balk by Kyle Hart please stop

Posted by Consistent-Zone-4068 · in r/ClevelandGuardians · 6 months ago
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cookestudios · 6 months ago

Exactly. Think of it this way: a balk forces a pitcher into certain mechanics to avoid deceiving the runner. If the runner initiates a play and thus can’t be deceived, why should the pitcher be put at the disadvantage of having to repeat those mechanics and slow their ability to react and attempt an out? That’s totally outside the spirit (and letter) of the rule.

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estranged1 · 6 months ago

"please stop", tags post as "discussion". So which is it? lol.

Ex-D1/pro pitcher. Not playing the appeal to authority card, but that I have pretty significant practice in what is and isn't a balk.

Let me first say that I don't think Hart's move SHOULD be a balk, because I don't think it truly deceives anyone, so I'm not upset that it wasn't called. Arias shouldn't have been rewarded for being a braindead, jackass baserunner. However, it was technically a balk.

Go to 6:37 of the highlight video here (and slow down to 0.25x): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EgD-GK7avU. Hart does not step-off the rubber. He goes up on his heel, then spins and throws. That is a balk. As a righty, if I had ever attempted to jump spin a pick-off throw to first like this, I'd have been called for a balk. You have to disengage the rubber first, which he didn't.

In short, you can't jump off the rubber.

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Consistent-Zone-4068 · OP · 6 months ago

First, I’m all for people learning about the game and discussing what a balk is. I was referring more about mindless complaints with no attempt to understand the rule.

Secondly if you weren’t playing the appeal to authority card there would be no need to bring up your background.

Third a jump on a pickoff move is perfectly legal as long as his natural motion towards home has not started, and as you said it is not an attempt to deceive the runner.

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estranged1 · 6 months ago

Rule 6.02(a)(3) Comment: Requires the pitcher, while touching his plate, to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base. If a pitcher turns or spins off of his free foot without actually stepping or if he turns his body and throws before stepping, it is a balk.

You can't jump/spin-off the rubber. Pitcher must either disengage the rubber, or step directly to the base if he doesn't. As clearly shown in the video, Hart did not disengage the rubber, nor did he step to the base before throwing. I saw it correctly called a balk countless times at the D1 and pro level as a player, coach, and spectator.

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jdbewls · 6 months ago

I'm listening to Hammy. Was Rick complaining it was a balk?

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DZepperoni · 6 months ago

Arch is very insistent

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jdbewls · 6 months ago

Druncle already in mid season form

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DZepperoni · 6 months ago

I see and respect your facts, however my bias makes me ignore you and instead call you names because you have a different and logical opinion.

/s

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Consistent-Zone-4068 · OP · 6 months ago

Fair enough I see 0 flaws in that argument. I was wrong

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Bradcle · 6 months ago

Go back Columbus with your “rules” 🫵

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rqx82 · 6 months ago

Do not do a balk please.

#Balk Rules

  1. You can’t just be up there and just doin’ a balk like that.

1a. A balk is when you

1b. Okay well listen. A balk is when you balk the

1c. Let me start over

1c-a. The pitcher is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, batter, that prohibits the batter from doing, you know, just trying to hit the ball. You can’t do that.

1c-b. Once the pitcher is in the stretch, he can’t be over here and say to the runner, like, “I’m gonna get ya! I’m gonna tag you out! You better watch your butt!” and then just be like he didn’t even do that.

1c-b(1). Like, if you’re about to pitch and then don’t pitch, you have to still pitch. You cannot not pitch. Does that make any sense?

1c-b(2). You gotta be, throwing motion of the ball, and then, until you just throw it.

1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the ball up here, like this, but then there’s the balk you gotta think about.

1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Balk hasn’t been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn’t typecast as that racist lady in American History X.

1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse.

1c-b(2)-b(ii). “get in mah bellah” — Adam Water, “The Waterboy.” Haha, classic...

1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A balk is when the pitcher makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the baseball and field of

  1. Do not do a balk please.
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DreamingWocket · 6 months ago

Thems the rules. I don't make them, I just work here.

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Can someone explain balks, for real?

Posted by notquitegone · in r/NLBest · 3 years ago

Maybe I just never caught his games, but I'm watching this WC game, and I really don't understand how Kenley Jansen isn't called for balks on basically every pitch I've seen.

This season I saw at least two balk calls on SF that made no sense to me, so I am really curious what the acceptance criteria is to avoid that balk call and how his motion avoids it.

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[deleted] · 3 years ago

Well for one thing it's kinda like holding in football. If you do it every play it's fine

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NonGNonM · 3 years ago

we asked this same question ourselves and yeah the rule is that he does it consistently at every pitch so this is not a balk.

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quasihermit · 3 years ago

You can wiggle all you want until you come 'set'. One you're set for a spit second your next movement must be a pitch home or a legal step off / pick off. It's all about not deceiving the runner. Very much procedural but it's better than weird behind the shoulder pickoff allyoops and circus plays that might develop from pitcher to the basemen.

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corran450 · 3 years ago

Complete text, for those of you who might not be entirely familiar with the full MLB rule:

Balk Rules

You can't just be up there and just doin' a balk like that.

1a. A balk is when you

1b. Okay well listen. A balk is when you balk the

1c. Let me start over

1c-a. The pitcher is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, batter, that prohibits the batter from doing, you know, just trying to hit the ball. You can't do that.

1c-b. Once the pitcher is in the stretch, he can't be over here and say to the runner, like, "I'm gonna get ya! I'm gonna tag you out! You better watch your butt!" and then just be like he didn't even do that.

1c-b(1). Like, if you're about to pitch and then don't pitch, you have to still pitch. You cannot not pitch. Does that make any sense?

1c-b(2). You gotta be, throwing motion of the ball, and then, until you just throw it.

1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the ball up here, like this, but then there's the balk you gotta think about.

1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Balk hasn't been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn't typecast as that racist lady in American History X.

1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse.

1c-b(2)-b(ii). "get in mah bellah" -- Adam Water, "The Waterboy." Haha, classic...

1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A balk is when the pitcher makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the baseball and field of

Do not do a balk please

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Suicida1Dingoz · 3 years ago

You know what? I think I get it now.

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superbadsoul · 3 years ago

No

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What is a balk in baseball

Key Considerations about a Balk in Baseball:

  1. Definition: A balk is an illegal motion by the pitcher that can result in base runners being awarded an extra base. It typically occurs when the pitcher fails to follow the proper rules while delivering a pitch.

  2. Common Causes:

    • Not coming to a complete stop: If a pitcher is in the set position and does not come to a complete stop before delivering the pitch.
    • Throwing to an unoccupied base: If the pitcher throws to a base where no runner is present.
    • Distraction: If the pitcher makes a motion that deceives the base runners, such as faking a pitch or pick-off attempt without properly stepping off the rubber.
  3. Consequences: When a balk is called, all base runners advance one base. This can be crucial in close games, as it can lead to scoring opportunities.

  4. Umpire's Discretion: The call of a balk is subjective and is up to the discretion of the umpire. Different umpires may interpret the rules slightly differently.

Takeaway: Understanding the rules surrounding balks can help players and fans better appreciate the nuances of the game. For pitchers, it's essential to be aware of the rules to avoid giving the opposing team an advantage.

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