TL;DR
Performance Comparison
The Dell XPS series is known for its high-performance specifications similar to Apple's MacBook Pro with the M1 chip. The M1 chip has been praised for its efficiency and performance, particularly in tasks like video editing and software development. In terms of a Windows equivalent, the Intel Core i7-1065G7 processor found in some Dell XPS models offers competitive performance but may not match the M1's efficiency [1]. Comparatively, the AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS is another strong contender that can meet or exceed the performance of older Intel chips used in XPS models
[1:4].
Graphics Performance
When discussing graphics, the M1 chip integrates an impressive GPU that competes well against mid-range NVIDIA GPUs. A user mentioned that the NVIDIA 4050-4060 could be considered equivalent to the Apple Silicon M4, which suggests that for graphical tasks, you might want to look at devices equipped with these GPUs if you're seeking a comparable experience on a non-Mac device [2:1].
Quietness and Efficiency
One of the standout features of the M1 chip is its quiet operation due to its efficient thermal design. Users looking for a similarly quiet experience on a Windows machine might consider options like the HP Zbook Ultra G1a, which is noted for its quiet performance under load [3:9]. However, achieving the same level of quietness as the M1 chip might be challenging, as Apple Silicon is specifically designed for low noise and high efficiency
[3:1].
Alternative Laptop Recommendations
For those considering alternatives to the Dell XPS with a focus on performance and design, the Lenovo X1 Extreme and the MSI GS65 are viable options. These laptops offer powerful hardware configurations that can handle demanding tasks such as heavy editing and 3D work [5:1]
[5:7]. While they may not perfectly replicate the M1's performance, they provide solid alternatives within the Windows ecosystem.
Hello, I have what was a quite nice dell xps laptop 5 years ago. It still is snappy for most things. The specs are:
Processor: 10th Gen Intel Core i7-1065G7 (8MB cache, up to 3.9 GHz)
The challenge
i have been letting my teenage son use this laptop because his is a dell business laptop from 2010. But, I need my laptop back. Given my budget and the fact I have screens and peripherals at home, i want to get him a mini PC.
What mini PC can I choose that will meet or exceed the performance of my dell xps? What's the LEAST I have to spend for something of the same performance or better and with reasonable build quality?
I did some research but I am shocked by the breadth choices and it seems from what I read some are quite poorly built.
Well this is going to depend on what your budget is, because a Dell XPS in 2020 was roughly over 800-1500$ or somewhere around there. Is it going to be sued for gaming? Productivity? Or both, and what GPU did it have if any on the Dell XPS.
it has integrated iris xe graphics. capable but can't play ms flight simulator for example. fine for minecraft, roblox, etc. use is basically youtube and roblox.
*Are you looking for a portable mini PC or mini PC desktop like.
*Depending on your budget, this mini PC will meet your requirements and would be faster or close to equivalent to a desktop like PC from 2020.
*There is a 64GB version for 100 more
*64GB version is 100 dollars more.
*You also have the Beelink Sei 13 pro with Intel 9 13900HK for 539$
*GMKtec K11 with Ryzen 9 8945HS for 689$
*All of this are portable mini PCs that can be left at home and taken anywhere and would be equivalent or faster than the faatest Dell XPS from 2020.
*All this mini PCs have capability to use external GPU via oculink or thunderbolt to the exception of Beelink GTi series that uses PCI-e connection via separate docking station for External GPUs.
Your laptop has an Intel Iris Plus with 64EUs (if I am not mistaken). Iris XE was released in 11th gen Intel CPUs.
I recommend the same Aoostar GEM10 the u/Old_Crows_Associate recommended to you. The Radeon 780m iGPU is far more powerful than the Intel Iris XE 96EUs iGPU (i5-11320h) that is in my Minisforum EliteMini TH50.
The games I am currently playing are not that demanding (Star Trek Online, Fallout 3 and Project Zomboid) so max temps is 74c. I am slowly re-encoding my movie collection using the AV1 codec and the highest temp was 87c IIRC.
The temps are based on Balanced mode and max TDP of 45w in the BIOS settings. I will also mention that those max temps were recordimg in July and August without any air conditioning in NYC. I have a relatively high tolerance for heat.
Things have changed in recent years
Intel i7-1065G7 vs AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS
I have one I've been using as a workstation over the past year.
I was looking for the MPS in Apple, however I could not find a good directive for comparing NVIDIA GPUs and Apple M4 MPS, I recently bought a Apple M4 Macbook Pro. I am working on mid-level performance Deep Learning Tasks. What is the equivalent NVIDIA GPU for Apple Sillicon M4 chip?
4050-4060
Hi, I’m switching jobs and I currently have a M4 MBP as my given work device.
As an autistic person I really love the quietness of this device. I hear my fridge more often than this device while it runs moderate loads.
Now I’ve got a good linux setup with my private desktop PC and I’d love also have this freedom at my job. So I’m looking for a portable device which can run a couple of docker containers and maybe do some light Machine Learning work. (I know that this work won’t be quiet)
Are there any recommendations?
If you don't need graphics support, you can just run a Linux VM on top of macOS.
And yes, you can run x86 binaries on an ARM64 Linux VM, providing the host is a Mac, as Apple provides Rosetta 2 interface for Linux VMs. When you execute an x86 or x86_64 executable, it gets parsed by the kernel, then the text section being sent to Rosetta 2 for translation, the translated text section is then loaded by the kernel and gets executed. The Linux kernel is smart enough to also handle dynamically generated code with Rosetta 2, so you can run x86 versions of JS, C#, Java, and other VM-based languages too.
Rosetta 2 and M-chips are an incredible combo. You will be amazed by the efficiency of this binary translation system.
HP Zbook Ultra G1a is a quiet beast. Switched from a Lenovo Carbon X1 gen10 and I only hear the fans when I'm compiling some big project, otherwise nothing. It has a unified memory architecture, similar to to Macs. I'm running Debian 13 on it, and I can run ollama with RoCM in a docker/podman container.
(webcam doesn't work yet with most Linux distros, it will be supported in mainline Linux 6.18.. everything else works out of the box, including fingerprint reader, amd gpu driver, etc.. webcam is not a deal breaker for me.. if it is for someone, then Ubuntu with OEM kernel supports it)
How does it compare in terms of weight and dimensions to the X1?
It’s actually smaller, even though it’s 14” and the X1 is 13”! It has thinner bezels. A little bit thicker and I would say it feels the same weight. The HP charger is more heavy and larger though, it’s 140W vs the X1’s 65W charger. The winning point for me is thermals: the Zbook is running very cool and quiet as opposed to the X1. My idle temps on the X1 were around 63C at 23C ambient temperature. The Zook is running at 38C in the same room when idle. Under my normal day to day load it’s around 53C and inaudible. The X1 was constantly temp throttling under load, even after Lenovo replaced the cooling first and then the entire motherboard (with its soldered CPU) later.
How much RAM do you have in your Zbook? What kind of battery life do you get out of it?
I've got the 128GB version. Battery life is somewhere between 3-6 hours with Debian, depending on how I use it.
Check Asahi Linux compatibility list
Intel Lunar Lake laptops.
Just run VMWare Fusion on your MBP. It's free.
Seriously, you're not going to find anything comparable to Apple silicon, as painful as that is to say.
Also, curious what instability you've seen on MacOS? Been running Beta for months now and only ever seen minor visual quirks, everything else has been rock solid.
Hi everyone, I need to read che bios chip with CH341A but I can’t find it. I found this winbond but i can’t read.
Do you know if this is the right one? Or are there other chips in the back of the motherboard?
Thank you.
No this is most likely usb c bios .... look for 256 chip thats the main bios
I’m gonna say not right one..
Because i bricked the bios, i need to flash with CH341A programmer.
Hello friends, I'm here because my xps 9550 stopped working the other day (f8 bricked it..) and now I'm in the search of something fresh.
The thing is I was pretty happy with it, the design is good and works but dear god it made me have troubles during these years (2016-17)..
I'm currently looking to acquire a top of the line system, I dia. Lot of heavy editing and 3D so I do demand a lot of hardware.
Is the 7590 the right one? Is there any other choice?
I don't mind the price range, just for it to be a great solid machine with a slim design, (isn't that the dream? Haha)
I9 Best graphics card available Good ports (Ethernet if possible) 32 GB Ram 512 minimum SSD Excellent screen 15" Sharp design, anything that looks like an xps or mbook works
Sorry if I'm missing any information, please let me know what you think.
Thanks!
Lenovo X1 Extreme and Lenovo P1 are both pretty similar
Similar to the xps? Definitely gonna check it out
They're also a bit more expensive as well. Wait and see how much the Gen 2 X1 extreme costs.
Depends on what ‘similar’ is classified as
but you never get RTX 2070 / 2080 in XPS or P1 :)
btw here is the review including some display measurements https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GS65-Stealth-9SG-i7-9750H-RTX-2080-Max-Q-Laptop-Review.423050.0.html
I dont know much about it yet, let me see what my contact at Razer will tell me and what I can google. Ill let you know.
Razer Blade stealth is decent. Or a Balde in general.
MSI GS65 / P65
Already available with 9th gen intel and much more powerful gpus for the same price,
Pros: better cooling/performance, 240hz display, ethernet port
Cons: less solid chassis
look at GS65 9SF
The Lenovo X1 Extreme Gen 2 is coming out soon and its the XPS 15 7590 equivalent. This is a comparison video between X1Gen1 and 9570 I thought was pretty useful:
hey there guys got a clevo pb51df2 that has a burnt chip just trying to figure out what it is
It would have helped if you took a picture with the marking oriented correctly, but anyway. The chip is the MP8690 which is obsolete (and can’t find a datasheet for it). Keep in mind that just replacing it will likely not fix the issue. It seems like there was a power surge. Also, you will have surely trouble desoldering it because it looks pike the pcb is badly damaged. Depending on your soldering skills, this may be impossible to perfectly doable. You need to remove the chip, fix the pcb, diagnose the issue and then replace it once the issue is fixed
Linky to datasheet for a similar chip.
The application is similar, but obviously the package is something else entirely. There will be major differences even if they are for the same application. There also was an MP86903 that was an entirely different chip as well
Hot air station is also necessary, the chip 100% has a thermal paddle underneath.
It looks like a step-down converter by Monolithic Power, MP86903.
https://media.monolithicpower.com/cms_document/product_literature/SelectorGuide_Q2_2018.pdf (page 4)
There is a pinout for the MP86901A/B/C on page 27:
https://edit.wpgdadawant.com/uploads/news_file/blog/2021/3903/tech_files/sv-1619175790.pdf
the marking is still visible and readable.
It's a Power MOSFET, but by the looks of the picture it's burnt through the layers of the board.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually welded itself to the board.
Even if you could get it unsoldered, replacing it isn't going to fix it because the board is too far gone.
I Google it it's available on Amazon
I have an xps 13 9370, but I'm thinking of getting something different.
Framework laptop. Just wish they sold a 2-in-1 version.
Haven't heard of that before... do you have one? Did you get the DIY one?
I don't have one, yet. Looking to get one in the next couple months, and it will most likely be the DIY version. I think Dell is also supposed to come out with a laptop similar to the Framework, might be worth it to look into it.
New MacBook Pro
The new thinkpad z series machines look cool and seem more geared to take-on the xps 13. They're also packing AMD's new Ryzen 6 processors which seems pretty cool. But I guess it's best to wait for reviews to come out for these ones.
I’ve been seriously considering an HP envy 15. Very much on the fence though
Dell latitude
Doesn't have the Glitz of an XPS but something like a 7320 is comparable to an XPS 9305 with a better keyboard
I've been a user of XPS 17 since 9700 then upgraded to 9710. I waited for a meaningful upgrade since 9710 and now it seams that upgrade will never come.
XPS 16 is not for me. I NEED the function and ESC keys, Dell has not learnt nothing from Apple's touch bar saga. I HATE soldered RAM and if 64GB upgrade not reasonably priced (like ~200€) would not buy any laptop with it. I also consider removing 1 nvme slot a downgrade. In short many features that I found appealing in XPS line are now gone and I'm looking for a alternative for my overdue upgrade. Wish all the best to people who love them but they are simply not for me.
Any suggestions for a alternative laptops with centered keyboard (no num pad) and glossy display (preferably not oled because of oled pwm flicker) ?
I agree with you XPS16 is a joke in front of XPS17
I also own a XPS17 9710 with 32GB RAM and RTX3060 but don't see any imminent urge to upgrade, if anything I'd take a XPS17 9730 with RTX4080 (roughly double the performance of the 70W RTX3060)
the new keyboard design with flat keys is the real bummer for me, I bought a similar keyboard from rapoo a few years ago and know it doesn't work well
I have the exact laptop and yes it is great with one exception. The webcam is worse than a 20-year-old laptop. I still don't understand how Dell let that happen.
9730, give yourself a couple more years, then wait it out.
9730
Will they keep upgrading the 17 or will they try and replace it with these other models?
Apparently, the new models are replacements for the older ones.
Feels bad to get it now. Should have gotten it when released but who knew ?
I was waiting for 140-160W charger (my battery discharges when gaming) and maybe Thunderbolt 5.
TB5?.. You need to wait another 5 years for that to come to mainstream.
All batteries discharge when gaming XD
Framework 16 is coming out soon.
you can take the current xps 17 or the lenovo thinkpad p1 or the dell precision 5680
As above is there a equivelent. Thanks
For basic tasks like web browsing or document editing, the Ryzen 3 7320U is AMD's direct competitor. If extreme low power is critical (e.g., fanless tablets), the N150 has no identical AMD counterpart yet.
And N150 has Quick Sync.
The Twin Lake N150 is Intel's latest Atom line of CPUs, from the current Gracemont microarchitecture.
AMD's equivalent competitor was the Geode LX architecture, which they end development in 2009, abandoned altogether 2016.
In 2023 AMD "pitched" an economy/budget version of the FP7 Phoenix 7440U. Unfortunately akin to the 7440U itself, there was no PC industry interest.
That would be things in the Athlon family. The R3 7320U is about as low-end as it gets for AMD's recent lineup, though that's closer to an N300 competitor.
Short answer = yes and no
The N150 fills a unique niche. While there are AMD processors on the mobile end of things that compare or beat the N150 with raw power/core/threads, at this price point, Intel's N150 has a lock on video processing/transcoding. Just about any modern processor is as good or better than an N150 in non-video processing tasks, including casual gaming.
The Alder Lake Intel CPU line (esp the N95, N97, N100, and N150) is a sweet spot for specific video processing tasks. Ex: an N150 can handle multiple 4k to 1080p transcode streams as a media server, which even high end AMD chips can struggle to do without a discreet GPU.
AMD Ryzen U processors are more generally capable of other tasks.
The U proccecers aren’t comparable
Yeah I know you can get mini PCs with more performance for similar price to n150 but the video transcoding of the gpu really does make those lines of cpus stand out
This is exactly why I chose a n150 machine for my primary linux homelab server: handling some amount of video streaming. It's not powerful for heavy workloads, but for a couple services (homeassistant, file storage, etc) and media transcoding this machine does a great job at low price+power. They also don't have some of the complexity of ARM that my raspberry pi has (though I know that's gotten better over the years).
I have a beelink eq14 w/ a 4TB drive in the secondary slot, but if I had to choose again I'd probably look at one of these newer nvme-nas devices.
Its the APU/IGP handling the hardware accelerated transcoding. The N150 CPU itself is nowhere powerful enough for software transcoding with your stated capacity and speed beyond low single digit fps. Its video chip on the other hand is.
Sadly AMD soc boards are rare, expensive and need to be imported but said APUs can be limited from ~35W to ~15W TDP (or boosted towards from 15W to 35W, depending on the chip). In my case I'm waiting for AMD APUs with at least rdna3 (AV1 hardware encoding) to appear as SOC, with the hope of it not costing an arm and a leg.
AMD does have equivalents. Both in target market and in TDP, but they dont overlap very well.
The AMD 3050e (2c/4t Zen1) is 6w and has similar performance integrated graphics (worse media decode) but much slower CPU performance.
The Athlon Gold 7220u is very similar in terms of both CPU performance and GPU performance but doesn't scale down to 6w.
There are 5000u series (Zen 2 and 3) that vastly outperform the N150 but are somewhat more expensive and again don't scale to 6w.
I made a new comparison and added two XPS 13 models and de MacBook Pro 16: https://imgur.com/5ZY3duK
thank you for this!
You are awesome!!
Can you make one compared the MacBook Pro 16?
It should be just slightly wider
XPS: 14.75 x 9.75 inches
MacBook: 14.09 x 9.68 inches
Thank you for doing this in metric. Down with the garbo imperial system!
FYI the XPS 13 is almost exactly 200x300mm.
I'm mainly thinking about how the 9700 is 2.5kg.
My last laptop that weighed that much was an Inspiron and compared to my current XPS (2kg) the difference might not be huge but it feels when you use the laptop on your lap.
Although, what else was I expecting from a bigger laptop hah...at least I hope it performs well.
Hopefully that means better cooling, especially with potentially a 2060 in there and some hungry CPU's.
Yea, I'll definitely be tempted when I move from my 9570 and partly because going to a smaller form factor seems unlikely to help cooling.
I'm not bothered by the weight on an individual basis, but it is that bit more in a backpack etc that I may be trying to keep light.
This is very helpful, thank you!
Dell XPS M1 chip equivalent
Key Considerations for Dell XPS with M1 Chip Equivalent:
Performance: The Apple M1 chip is known for its impressive performance, especially in single-core tasks and energy efficiency. Look for Intel or AMD processors that can match or exceed the M1's performance, such as the Intel Core i7 (11th or 12th Gen) or AMD Ryzen 7 series.
Graphics: The M1 chip features integrated graphics that perform well for everyday tasks and light gaming. Consider laptops with dedicated GPUs (like NVIDIA GeForce GTX or RTX series) if you need enhanced graphics performance.
Battery Life: The M1 chip is renowned for its excellent battery life. Look for Dell XPS models that offer long battery life (8+ hours) to ensure you have a comparable experience.
RAM and Storage: Aim for at least 16GB of RAM and SSD storage (512GB or more) for smooth multitasking and fast load times, similar to configurations available with M1 Macs.
Build Quality and Display: The Dell XPS line is known for its premium build quality and stunning displays. Ensure the model you choose has a high-resolution display (at least Full HD) and a sleek design.
Recommendation: The Dell XPS 13 (9310) with an Intel Core i7-1165G7 or the Dell XPS 15 (9510) with an Intel Core i7-12700H would be strong contenders as equivalents to the M1 chip. They offer excellent performance, good battery life, and high-quality displays, making them suitable for both productivity and creative tasks.
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