Intel vs Apple M1 Performance

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[deleted] · 4 years ago

My m1 mac mini doesn't feel any faster tbh

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[deleted] · 4 years ago

My M1 MacBook Air doesn't "feel faster," it just has better performance, less heat, no noise, and shorter wait periods. But when I'm opening an app or something, I still feel like I have to wait, unlike the experience you get on iPad/iPhone. I'm also not getting the amazing battery life that everyone boasts about. I get anywhere from 8-12 hours of normal use, which is what I would expect from any MacBook.

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eddie_west_side · 4 years ago

TLDR: The M1's efficiency cores handle MacOS background tasks, while the performance cores are for user tasks. This hides any background hiccups from affecting user experience

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Bronee89 · 4 years ago

And what does Intel chips typically do?

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satysin · 4 years ago

The Intel chips don't have different performance cores. Cores on an Intel chip are all the same so while the macOS scheduler does do some things to run background tasks in a lower priority it doesn't do as good a job as having physically more efficient cores like the M1 does.

Of course the trade off here is that running the background tasks on the high efficiency cores means the tasks can (and do) take longer to complete as reported in the article of the background time machine backup taking 15 minutes to backup just 1GB of data. Now of course the big question here is does that matter? Probably not which is why Apple decided to do this. I mean do many people care if a time machine operation takes 15 minutes instead of 5 minutes if it means everything they are actively doing runs better?

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eddie_west_side · 4 years ago

I found this video helpful as far as consider RISC vs CISC and Apple specific architecture. Generally, intel chips use significantly more wattage and do not have asymmetric designs (efficiency and performance cores, big-little, etc.).

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thefpspower · 4 years ago

I have a better answer: Turbo boost causes lag and stuttering.

I have a laptop with an 8th gen core i7, it scores higher in Geekbench and about the same in Cinebench than my 4th gen dektop i5 4690k (6 years old), but my i5 is much faster day-to-day, I can go from off to playing a game in less than a minute, why?

Well simple, Intel chips are not efficient, so they are fast if you give them power, turbo boost gives it up to 30W sometimes, but after a few seconds it must drop to 15W because that's what the CPU is rated for on an ultrabook, when that happens frequencies start to fluctuate massively and drop down to 1.8Ghz (less than half the turbo) then the pc will start to stutter and lag doing the most mundane things.

Apple doesn't need any turbo boost so you always get full power unless it overheats, there's no timers, never a drop in performance, you expect it and you get it.

With an Intel CPU it's just as fast as my desktop in short bursts of demand, but if I do something intensive for a bit longer everything goes to shit. That's the HUGE difference.

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elephantnut · 4 years ago

That’s a different answer, not a better answer. The author investigates and presents their case on how QoS works on the M1, how tasks are allocated to cores, and how this results in a better experience.

Your answer also doesn’t address why full fat desktop CPUs configured to maintain PL2 still chug when a background process is running full tilt:

> Because Macs with Intel processors can’t segregate their tasks onto different cores in the same way, when macOS starts to choke on something it affects user processes too.

Intel’s Alder Lake is going to implement this concept too, but people have raised concerns about how task scheduling will be handled (especially on Windows).

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[deleted] · 4 years ago

This seems somewhat arbitrary. What is stopping macOS from picking two cores of an intel chip (or a hypothetical M2 that only has performance cores) and using them as stand-in efficiency cores to achieve the same effect? You'd then also have the ability to "fire on all cylinders" if something exceptional came along, like a 3D game, or high-demand virtual machine.

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WhatGravitas · 4 years ago

>What is stopping macOS from picking two cores of an intel chip (or a hypothetical M2 that only has performance cores) and using them as stand-in efficiency cores to achieve the same effect?

I suspect for best effect, you'd want to reserve them, i.e. even if your computer is "firing on all cylinders", keep these ready to keep the "feel" and snappiness.

If you do that on a dual or quad-core, you just reserved 25-50% of your computing power, causing a significant performance loss for other tasks.

Sure, we now see a big increase in core counts since AMD launched Ryzen and on an 8-16 core chip, that's more feasible... but they launched in 2017 and it took Intel a while to respond, so I suspect by that time, the M1 design was already in the works and Apple just stopped caring about optimising the Intel experience as much.

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eddie_west_side · 4 years ago

efficiency cores use less energy, so if this was done on intel/x86 it would not produce the same battery life or thermal results. I may be remembering this incorrectly, but iPhone A-chips have been shown to "fire on all cylinders" so its not a restriction related to Apple silicon or ARM .

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xX_Qu1ck5c0p3s_Xx · 4 years ago

Fascinating - Apple saturates the M1's low-power efficiency cores with background tasks, leaving high-performance cores for everything else.

This seems like mobile-centric chips having a great effect on desktop computing. The M1 is a direct descendent of the A-series of chips, which of course power iPhones and iPads. Putting background processes on the low-power cores is exactly what you'd do on a phone where battery life is paramount.

What's great is, turns out that makes Macs feel fast and responsive. Very cool.

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r/macbookpro • [2]

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Intel vs. M1

Posted by kfirpravda1 · in r/macbookpro · 4 years ago

Hello all,

I’m considering switching from a 16” MBP to a M1 13” MBP. I need it for docs, heavy browsing (using a lot of web apps), and video calls. What’s your experience with the M1 MBP?

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jackwhaines · 4 years ago

I have the latest 16" MBP and the 13" M1. I'm a power user, on it ALL DAY and NIGHT for Zoom calls, watching videos, browsing, writing code. I can use the M1 for literally 3-4 days without plugging it in. It's also the fastest laptop I've ever owned. I cannot speak highly enough about it. The ONLY negative so far is that I can't plug it into my external GPU (but I knew this going into it.)

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marxy · 4 years ago

Adobe are porting their apps to be native on Apple Silicon and reporting the performance they're finding.

"Premiere Pro performance on Apple M1 was already impressive when we first released the public Beta last December. As the latest Pfeiffer Report benchmark results show, it has only gotten better. From first launch to final exports, everything is faster — on average 77 percent faster than comparable Intel-based systems — and editing is buttery smooth."

You may not be using big Adobe apps but I think they are speaking the truth about the performance you'll find. The only limitation at the moment is if you want more than 16GB of RAM. That would mean a *lot* of browser tabs.

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lotus49 · 4 years ago

Don't expect a big increase in speed. The top spec Intel MBPs are still the most powerful MBPs and they have a discrete GPU so real-time graphics performance is still much better than the M1 MBPs.

The M1 chips are amazing and battery life in particular is very good but you will have a smaller screen and no material improvement in performance. If you use your Intel Mac for gaming, the M1 will not perform as well as what you already have. You will also end up with fewer ports and limited options for external monitors.

If you find your 16" is too big or gets too hot and you don't mind having fewer ports and worse gaming performance, buy an M1 MBP. Otherwise, there's little point.

I have a 16" MBP and I shan't be upgrading until the M1X/M2 large MBP comes out.

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[deleted] · 4 years ago

you don’t need a new mac for docs, heavy browsing and video calls…

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kfirpravda1 · OP · 4 years ago

I don't NEED it, true. But we are hiring new employees abs we are planning on buying new macs anyway.

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[deleted] · 4 years ago

M1 is faster than intel and gets far better battery life. Intel is the past. They have no future.

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r/matlab • [3]

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Apple M1 and MATLAB

Posted by zapffe_fanclub · in r/matlab · 4 years ago

Hey everyone. What do you think about Apple's M1? Does it run well MATLAB? Is it worse than AMD and Intel? Also, does it support parallel computing?

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bundtmuncher · 4 years ago

I got an Apple M1 chip and read mixed things about MATLAB but figured it couldn't be worse than on my 2015 MacBook Pro. At first MATLAB worked so well, but then it started freezing all the time for the simplest runs.

Couldn't find anything helpful on forums but got this reply from MATLAB when I asked them about it (looks like it's more of a Big Sur problem and less an M1 chip problem):

I understand that you are facing issues with MATLAB R2021a on Mac OS 11.3.1.
The development team is aware of the performance issue with this Mac OS and is actively working on a fix.
In the meantime, the workaround is to launch MATLAB from Terminal:
% cd /Applications/MATLAB_R2021.app
% bin/matlab

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Awsome306 · 4 years ago

My understanding is that there is still quite a bit of optimization left to do for the M1. A friend just got a new mac and his computer ran MATLAB notably slower than mine, even though my PC is several years old. Granted, I expect his mac to out perform my pc in a few months once things are optimized.

edit: According to this [post] (https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/answers/641925-is-matlab-supported-on-apple-silicon-macs) on the MATLAB forums, a new version of MATLAB that runs natively on the M1 is in development.

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zapffe_fanclub · OP · 4 years ago

So do you think that in a few months M1 > any other AMD and Intel processors?

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thomas_169 · 4 years ago

No won't happen. The high end Intels and majority of AMD CPUs will beat it out even when (if) MATLAB is optimised for M1.

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Awsome306 · 4 years ago

Will it outperform my old computer? Yeah, probably. Will it outperform a modern AMD/Intel CPU? No.

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Notoriouscollegekid · 4 years ago

I wasn’t aware MATLAB wasn’t fully optimized but I bought the M1 MacBook Pro in January. I used it for all of my Matlab needs during the semester. Did about 4 projects for different classes using MATLAB on the M1 I didn’t notice anything different than from my desktop tbh

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clement3337 · 4 years ago

You can benchmark your pc directly in MatLab by using the function: "bench", Like that you can compare your 2 pc.

It will return a graph in which your computer is compared to other pc.

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Notoriouscollegekid · 4 years ago

This makes a lot of sense now. My PC is from 2017 so for it to be running just as good as the M1 is kinda a red flag

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r/mac • [4]

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Apple Silicon VS Intel

Posted by InterestingMindset · in r/mac · 2 months ago

I've been a Mac user for over a year now and as someone who is used to running Intel based Windows laptops, it is still bizarre to me how the M1 - A five year old chip - still holds up.

For context, I have a M1 MacBook Air with 8GB of RAM and 256 GB of storage. Yes low specs but that was what my budget allowed.

Even with those low specs, it runs really good. I can have multiple videos playing, have Safari open while playing games, I can play 4K video, etc. and as an audio lover, I love the speakers and listening to the surround sound stuff.

My main gripes are low specs, maybe I can upgrade later. System Data takes up WAY too much storage. I can't run most games. And as someone who uses SD cards, having to dig out my adapter is annoying.

But with those gripes, I haven't a single laptop that can do what the M1 MBA does and achieve great battery life. I'm so used to battery being a footnote in laptops that experience 18-24 hours on a single charge was mind-blowing.

And I love the ability to copy and paste between my devices. The iPad continuity is cool I rarely use it. Again with iPhone mirroring. The MB feels like a giant iPhone with keyboard.

I'm not a major fanboy of either but Macs are solid devices.

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Manfred_89 · 2 months ago

I sold the same spec MacBook Air you have a couple of weeks ago. It was an amazing machine.

It always surprised me how it actually got more than 10h of battery life with my surface only getting like 2-4. Plus browsing the web felt much more snappy despite the surface having a 120hz screen.

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rainy_diary · 2 months ago

I found browser like Chrome, Firefox, Edge seem optimized for Mac OS than for Windows.

You could test bechmark using speedometer 3.1 between same browser on MacBook and Windows laptop. Most of Windows laptop got low score than MacBook. No doubt it snappy.

https://www.browserating.com

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Manfred_89 · 2 months ago

Yeah it's amazing how well M series Macs are at that.
But even with the page fully loaded the actual scrolling was much smoother on the MacBook Air which I didn't expect at all.

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kappakai · 2 months ago

It’s kind of cray how after I got my M1 Air, my upgrade path for all my devices has pretty much frozen. I use to upgrade SOMETHING each year - phone, laptop, iPad, watch, AirPods, whatever. I am an admitted Apple fanboy and have been for decades - I still remember seeing the OG Mac, but never got an Apple product until college with a Power Book. I was a pretty typical fanboy, always been the new Apple product, including an i9 MBP right before the M1 came out. Anyway. That all came to a screeching halt when I got the M1. I have a 12 Max Pro, and iPad Pro, and the Air, and they’re all years old, and I’m quite satisfied with them all. It feels like when the M series came out, there just wasn’t a need because it was so stable and could keep up year after year. I can run Logic or Ableton, with all my synths and gear hooked up to it. I can run three monitors. It’s never slowed down, hell, it’s never heated up. Maybe subconsciously I realized that all these devices were now on the same chip platform and architecture and that longevity applied across the board. Therefore. Why upgrade?

It’s crazy how being so good at a product has turned into a revenue killer for Apple; because I’m not the only one who feels this way about their products. I’m sure there are other factors at play; but I know for me personally, I’m so satisfied with what I have, it’s completely quieted by Gear Acquisition Syndrome. I’ve filled in here and there - AirPods 2, a Windows laptop for gaming - and I kind of want a Mini; but for the most part, my everyday devices, I’m very stoked with.

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Ill-Rise5325 · 2 months ago

Except WiFi 7 MLO (simultaneous use of 2.4/5/6ghz) will finally nudge me to upgrade from M1 to M5.

Cellular modem in a Mac (be it 4G LTE, 5G NSA, or 5G SA) would also be enticing.

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pastry-chef · 2 months ago

Don't undersell macOS and how the tight integration with the hardware helps bring it all together.

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Bladeandbarrel711 · 2 months ago

Windows computers are junk.

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jasonwright15 · 2 months ago

I just sold mine this year(2015 I mean) for like 225$ I bought it on eBay like 2 years ago for 250$ and it did everything I wanted it to do and basically got my money back. I feel like my M4 15inch MacBook Air will still be worth 800-900$ in a year and if Apple keeps prices the same I’ll sell it and upgrade for 2-300$ every other year. Same with my phone my 15pro max I’ll sell it when the 17 pro max comes out and so on even an air M2 15 inch are selling for 750-800$ on eBay. I guess my point is you should take care of it but use it as intended. Just my opinion.

Edit: sorry I wanted to post this on the main. Also I agree. Try selling a windows laptop with a few exceptions you are better off just putting Linux on it and repurpose it.

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HenkPoley · 2 months ago

And.. the M5 cores will (rather probably) be twice as fast as the M1 cores 🤯

Be sure to note that the later editions Apple Silicon MacBook Air throttle way more.

E.g. 20W total when cold (think 'turbo boost') -> 3.2W sustained after some heavy load. Ends up very similar wattage as an iPhone. See the graphs just above "Power consumption": https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-passively-cooled-M4-SoC-makes-the-competition-look-old-Apple-MacBook-Air-13-M4-base-model-review.1002534.0.html#c13214514

The MacBook Pro will hold at around 15W. The nice thing is that half the watt still equals more than half the performance (power doesn't scale linearly with performance). But 20W -> 3.2W (6x) should still be very noticeable. These laptops are not made for being a workhorse.

Btw, further down the page they run a heavy game, Cyberpunk 2077, but barely throttles. So YMMV, you probably only notice this from time to time.

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r/laptops • [5]

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Apple has won the efficient productivity laptop race and I refuse to believe it

Posted by Confirmed-Scientist · in r/laptops · 21 days ago

I was looking on what laptop for non gaming purposes would be the fastest while maintaining good battery life and sadly there is no competition. Even speed alone the M4 Pro and Max chips are monsters. The best single core ever recorded = the fastest perceived speed in daily use, no performance lose on battery life, insane battery life and efficiency, whole package in terms of hardware...We used to say they win in Geekbench but what about Cinebench? Now they are winning everything end of story.

I CRAVE a Windows alternative but right now we are not there yet and Apple has been there since 2021. I am currently still on the M1 Macbook Air 16gb 512gb SSD upgraded model and its lasted great so far. I have some gripes as a power user 1) ports are awful 2) External display support is plain awful 3) no upgradability 4) display at 60hz and slow response times feels dated 5) keyboard feels awful to type on 6) performance tasks make the machine cook itself 7) battery life has decreased significantly at 82% capacity right now.

The current Windows options (Keep in mind I am in EU pricing is very different here) are:

Snapdragon disaster. Good CPU performance, battery life. Bad: app support, GPU performance, ports (on most models), pricing (on most models), no RAM upgrades.
Intel Lunar Lake disaster. Impressive GPU performance, battery life most of the time impressive, excellent compatibility. Bad: CPU performance just adequate, no RAM upgrades, pricing is INSANE
AMD lower TDP Zen 5 laptops. Excellent performance overall, compatibility. Bad: battery life closer to traditional laptops, pricing still expensive, no RAM upgrades on most models.

For people that want the best of this category right now Apple just wins as long as you have the additional dollar for it. However there is a promising future where I cant really wait no more for the AMD efficient skews in 2026, Nvidia, Snapdragon refresh and Lunar Lake refreshes all end of 2025 - 2026.

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GoryGent · 21 days ago

Intel has been going down for like 5 years now. Its jot even the competition, its their own fault at making bad cpus that overheat, dont work etc since the 11th generation. A 3000$ pc crashing for no reason doesnt make sense

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joeljaeggli · 21 days ago

I'm writing this on a 2020 m1air which despite being 5 years old at this point is still performant with current software, is at 84% of it's orginal battery life. and is drawing 4.2W according to it's sensor package.

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VivienM7 · 21 days ago

The root of Intel's troubles go back to late 2016, which is when they should have launched 10nm processors had the tick-tock model held. The 10nm (renamed Intel 7) desktop chips finally launched in late 2021, 5 years later... and to this day, Intel has shipped very few chips made in-house on a smaller process (there were some mobile chips on 'Intel 4', otherwise a lot of their newest stuff is fabbed at TSMC).

So, instead of a new process every 2 years, they've had one new process in 9 years.

Everything else is a consequence of that.

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Thin-Independence-33 · 21 days ago

Thank you apple and amd for getting us out of the intel 4 cores 8 threads dark ages

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Confirmed-Scientist · OP · 20 days ago

While this is true Apple was always the expensive boy of the pack and AMD always had less laptop skews or units / unavailability. Hope AMD can manage Intel's place otherwise we are cooked.

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MrMunday · 17 days ago

nah. intel has been cooked for a long time.

whats cooked NOW is that snapdragon, the supposed savior of non-macbooks, has kinda failed, for now.

and it seems like its gonna take a while before they can catch up to the compatibility and power of apple silicon. i have a M2 macbook air and its seriously THE best laptop ive ever used. no contest.

its fanless (soundless), it stays cool and i never bring my charger anymore coz why would you? i can literally work 10 hours on that thing and ill have like battery left at the end of the day if i need to work outside. on top of all that, its FAST.

opening apps is snappy. i can even play games on it, and im talking about Baldurs Gate 3, not just indie games. Ofcourse you'll have to turn the graphics down, but its definitely playable.

ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT, its thin and light. i have the 16gb ram 1TB version and it cost me ~$1800 3 years ago. i cannot find something like that at any pricepoint over on the windows side (im used to all OSes and im OS agnostic).

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Vaddieg · 20 days ago

M4 emulates x86 faster than it runs on intel natively

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Intel-Centrino-Duo · 20 days ago

I have a Legion Slim 5 Gen 9 and a base model MacBook Air M4, and the MacBook is so much nicer to use, the legion is essentially relegated to games and windows software, as well as my niche tasks I can’t be bothered to figure out on macOS.

Windows 11 is genuinely the worst release they’ve had since ME imo. I know vista was bad when it came out but it got better with updates while 11 has gotten worse with updates.

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Baldosco · 21 days ago

It is rumored that Apple will release a cheaper MacBook with an A18 or something iPhone chip so they will become the performance per dollar champions at least for some time

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chetan419 · 20 days ago

Apple would have taken the entire laptop market share if they offered reasonable RAM and storage upgrades.

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Different-Monk5916 · 18 days ago

That is not totally true. There are several Windows only softwares which hold back a lot of users. Not everyone wants to run a VM to use the windows only software.

Personal entertainment and leisure use cases would lean towards Mac with reasonable RAM and Storage. Without softwares, also games, apple cannot dominate the market.

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triffid_boy · 17 days ago

Apple needs to fix a few things with its OS first. It's now feeling really pretty outdated, and they're quite lucky that Microsoft have gone for such an ad-laden approach in windows 11.

Mouse Vs trackpad scrolling is a sillier example, but the way it works with multiple monitors and windows in general is way behind windows 10/11.

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r/MacOS • [6]

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Intel vs M1

Posted by Lolwhyareyoulooking · in r/MacOS · 2 years ago

Hi! I joined this channel because of I had problems with my MacBook Pro 2019 (128SSD, 16GB RAM) and now that’s the point why I am writing. The capacity of my SSD is painful… I have IPhone with the same capacity but for computer is little bit different. I would like to change my laptop but I can’t decide. The new one should hold on more than 5 years (1TB of SSD and 16RAM I think would be enough) but when price of this configuration is sometimes extremely high. I am student so computer should be strong for all day of using it.

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torbenibsen · 2 years ago

I had your situation with just 8 GB RAM. - I have just changed to the new MacBook Air (M2) 15" with 16 GB and 512 GB storage. I am happy now.

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Lolwhyareyoulooking · OP · 2 years ago

Thx and Windows for you was not a option? Because can not upgrade my own components in laptop make me angry sometimes xd

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torbenibsen · 2 years ago

In my home we have 2 iMacs, a Macbook, 3 iPads and 2 iPhones. We combine them all into one "IT system" via iCloud. So no Windows PC's in our home. We never upgrade components. We sell the devices before they become obsolete and buy new ones.

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LudwigIsMyMom · 2 years ago

For your use case, I'd highly recommend getting the M2 MacBook Air (or even the 14" M1 MacBook Pro). If you can, try and get at least 1TB of SSD. Since it isn't upgradagebale, you'll thank yourself later. The bigger it is, the longer it'll last you, too.

If you need to use Windows 11 as well, look into using an app called Parallels Desktop. It works very well on the M1 and M2 chips, since they use ARM architecture. You can install the Windows 11 ARM Edition to your MacBook and run an entire virtual machine running the OS. Parallels is a $99/yr subscription, but if you need to run Windows, then imo it's worth it.

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Lolwhyareyoulooking · OP · 2 years ago

Have you sone experience with all day using Parallels on M1/M2?

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berlinblades · 2 years ago

The amount of storage apple gives you is a joke. Also the way you can't upgrade the newer macbooks is absolutely scandalous!

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thestenz · 2 years ago

Still making machines with 8GB RAM is also scandalous. Apple has always been stingy with RAM. The world need to stop macing 128GB SSDs.

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berlinblades · 2 years ago

I can accept the reasoning behind it, (the M1 simply doesn't need the extra ram, and making it bigger would wear out the ssd), although I haven't seen too much testing or even anecdotal evidence to back it up.

Do M1 or M2 users end up wishing for more ram?

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Lolwhyareyoulooking · OP · 2 years ago

That’s why I am thinking about Windows laptops :/

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AllThingsNew-Spring7 · 2 years ago

It’s definitely scandalous, lol. I would much rather have a device that I could upgrade internally if I wanted to. Now, I have a 2017 27 inch iMac and connected an external PCIe NVMe which I have in a 40 gb enclosure and get well over 2000 mb/s read and write speeds.

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Lolwhyareyoulooking · OP · 2 years ago

I had two but l life with external ssd that permanently disconnected when you close your macbook ( i know that you can disable this “feature” when you close your MacBooks all external ssd will be still connected but only for a while and after long time (20minutes) still macos disconnected all external ssd) so yes, you can use external ssd but with limits

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shyouko · 2 years ago

128 is no go, 256 is bare minimum, 512 is comfort, 1T is premium (well, it's not on PC but it is so on Apple, frustratingly)

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r/ArchiCAD • [7]

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No performance gain on M1 mac vs Intel?

Posted by ParaplegicGuru · in r/ArchiCAD · 2 months ago

Hello.

My girlfriend currently has an 15’ i7 macbook pro 16gb ram (2018).

I gave her my 13’ M1 Macbook pro 16gb ram (2020).

Given that Apple Silicon reports major gains in many other programs i was expecting the same here but she tells me it’s equally slow in both computers.

Anyone knows if this is normal or expected?

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The001Keymaster · 2 months ago

You have another issue. It should run fine on both those computers if working on smaller projects. Ok for medium ones but will slow down a noticeable amount, but very usable still.

Have you added in lots of objects and textures, etc into the library?

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ParaplegicGuru · OP · 2 months ago

Nothing that heavy other than a very heavy PDF.

But my point here is that the M1 macbook pro should run laps around the Intel one and that's not happening and I am wondering why

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The001Keymaster · 2 months ago

Does the Intel one have a graphics card? I think the m1 runs circles around on-board gpu but not dedicated GPUs until you get into the higher models.

Maybe go on Shoegnome or somewhere and grab a sample project. See if that's also slow. Won't solve the problem but will narrow it down to your files or m1 isn't that fast.

We had slow saves to our NAS. Turned out my library was too big. I just put the library on the server and files saved instantaneously.

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lolastian · 2 months ago

Which Version are you using? ArchiCAD ist optimized for Apple Silicone only from V. 26 ongoing as far as I know

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ParaplegicGuru · OP · 2 months ago

im using the latest version so that ain’t it sadly

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r/macbookair • [8]

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How Does The M1 Perform Today?

Posted by notavailableinsummer · in r/macbookair · 6 months ago

Vs high performing intel chips, and the newer Macs?

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https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/content-details/859225/core-conversations-apple-m4-vs-lunar-lake-arrow-lake.html

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killiansrat · 6 months ago

Had an M1 until I traded in for an M4 air. For me it was more wanting to get 16GB of RAM and larger 15 inch screen vs the CPU/GPU increase.

M1 still is a beast vs. most Windows and Intel Based Macs. Even, 8GB is not too big of an issue if you don’t mind swap use.

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FitzwilliamTDarcy · 6 months ago

The single core performance of the M4 is roughly 2x that of the M1, or thereabouts. Multi-core will depend on the specific chip/configuration but in general multi will be an even greater gap.

THAT SAID, the M1 is plenty robust IME. Try one, and if it doesn't get bogged down in your workflow then you don't need more for now.

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Technologytwitt · 6 months ago

This exactly - for an “M4” to only be 2x that of the M1 to me demonstrates how incredible the M1 is.

I have the M1 & it is indeed an absolute beast over 4 years later and works perfectly.

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SnooCupcakes1583 · 6 months ago

Have m1 air with 16gm RAM
Works great, I'd like to increase just the RAM

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laurentbourrelly · 6 months ago

I have 1Tb SSD which changes everything. It’s apparently what OS X needs to allow good SWAP memory.

M1 MB Air with 1Tb SSD and 16Gb RAM is the perfect computer.

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78914hj1k487 · 6 months ago

What makes you think that?

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ChemistryOk9353 · 6 months ago

Well I have the 16gb / 256 and to be honest for my standard office workies it runs perfectly and no need for further disk space either …

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filippicus · 6 months ago

Still my workhorse.

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GalliumGoat · 6 months ago

Don't have a base to compare against intel macs, but I will say my M1 Air is still plodding along nicely. I use it for music production and a spot of gaming mostly and it's still as smooth as day 1 for me.

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AbbaQadar · 6 months ago

Gaming? What games are you taking about

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RichExamination2717 · 6 months ago

I played all the Metro and Resident Evil games on it. I may have played some other games, but through GeForce Now.

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r/hardware • [9]

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Intel PR Material: Core Conversations: Apple M4 vs Lunar Lake/ Arrow Lake

Posted by Creative-Expert8086 · in r/hardware · 2 months ago

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vlakreeh · 2 months ago

This whole video feels pretty desperate, way more desperate than they actually need to be. Our processors are better because you can play games, choose between OEMs you don’t care about, and get slightly better battery life in video playback is not the winning strategy Intel thinks it is.

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Exist50 · 2 months ago

> and get slightly better battery life in video playback

Local video playback, at that. I.e. something no one cares about. If you want a video playback test for battery life, it should be streaming.

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Creative-Expert8086 · OP · 2 months ago

Classic intel test, no check for system smoothness at the most power saving option.

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Healthy-Doughnut4939 · 2 months ago

It might be a pitch to OEM partners to get more of them on board with Lunar Lake as they don't like the on-package DRAM

It might be an internal pitch to Intel sales employees so they can make the same pitch to business volume customers to buy Lunar Lake over M series laptop chips.

I don't know if this presentation was a good idea, but that's my theory.

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brand_momentum · 2 months ago

Let's be honest, majority of Apple Mac buyers use their systems to general browse the web, YouTube, music, movies, social media, e-mail, calender, etc. all things of which you can do on a $100 Chromebook

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VenditatioDelendaEst · 2 months ago

With the way webtech has evolved in the last decade, the UX of all that on a machine with the 1T perf and memory of a $100 Chromebook is miserable.

Don't believe me? Open up https://www.walmart.com/ in a private tab, click the "sign-in account" button on the top right, and see how long it takes for the UI to respond. On a 4.2 GHz Haswell it's like half a second.

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brand_momentum · 2 months ago

>half a second

>Walmart

Is this a serious post?

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toaster_scandal · 2 months ago

Bzzzt. Wrong. The majority of Mac buyers are doing photo, video, music production, and yeah big surprise: developing software.

The people doing the things you mentioned are using iPhones and iPads.

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soggybiscuit93 · 2 months ago

>all things of which you can do on a $100 Chromebook

You can commute to work in a Nissan Versa or in a 5 Series. Doesn't mean the experience will be the same.

I'd 100% rather do all of those things you listed on a Macbook Air than on a $100 Chromebook. I wouldn't even want a cheap-o Chromebook if it was free.

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brand_momentum · 2 months ago

My point was more about how overpowered and overpriced the hardware can be for such everyday tasks. Like using a Ferrari to do grocery runs - sure, it gets the job done, but a hatchback would too.

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Healthy-Doughnut4939 · 2 months ago

Maybe it's better they laid off their entire marketing team.

At least the money will be better spend on the E-core team, P-core team or discrete graphics

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EloquentPinguin · 2 months ago

If you can't put out better uarchs, put out whatever kind of marketing attempt this is.

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Intel Mac vs M1 Mac

Posted by NeighborhoodDue2699 · in r/macbookair · 3 years ago

Hello, I was thinking of getting a MacBook to learn coding and blender over the summer. What is the difference between the two and which would be better for my intended use?

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tre630 · 3 years ago

This is has always been one of my favorite reviews when comparing the Intel and M1 Macs. Just a practical side by real world use and difference between the two of them. But spoiler alert, buy the M1 Macbook.

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Tuhyk_inside · 3 years ago

M1, my friend.

Unless you need to run Windows via Bootcamp of course, this is only supported on Intel models.

M1 is more powerful, has better battery life and is mostly silent. Also will most likely be supported longer. If possible, get 16 GB RAM model and you are golden.

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Intro24 · 3 years ago

Completely agree except that 8GB would be fine. See my argument for 8GB here and here

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ZhongZe12345 · 1 year ago

That's what you call an "argument"? Seriously? It's sad how this "double the specs" BS is still going on.

8GB RAM on MacOS is not even close to 16GB on Windows. Maybe 10GB at most. I don't need to speculate and make up random stuff because I have an 8GB MBP, 8GB Windows laptop, and 16GB Windows laptop right in front of me.

Now, 8GB RAM on MacOS is barely usable. In the past few years, websites have become incredibly bloated, and 8GB RAM on MacOS struggles to even keep 25 tabs fully loaded in RAM.

You may say that 25 tabs is "excessive", but I would say that's a pretty ordinary use case (and with no other programs open). Many people have, quite frankly, been misled into buying 8GB RAM MacBooks.

A decade ago, 2GB of RAM was sufficient. Now, you can't even load MacOS with 2GB RAM. By today's standards, a $1,000 laptop should have no problem lasting a decade, and 8GB RAM absolutely won't cut it. Apple knows that very well, and that's why they are continuing to sell these under-equipped MBPs so that people will rush back to buy new laptops in a few short years.

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A_Aron4 · 3 years ago

My base MacBook Air is using more of the memory than I thought it would. It’s from work so I would have got prob 8core gpu or 512gb storage. And 16gb of ram. That’s my recommendation.

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RT_Steele · 3 years ago

I guess Windows 11 currently running on my non-intel, M1 Air is a fluke.

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Tuhyk_inside · 3 years ago

Dude, really? I run them in Parallels too, but you cannot compare performance of virtualized environment vs running it natively…. That is why I mentioned Bootcamp specifically.

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NeighborhoodDue2699 · OP · 3 years ago

Yeah, I was thinking of getting the 16 GB RAM 512GB SSD version. Won’t arrive till mid July 🥲. Thank you!!

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RT_Steele · 3 years ago

Everything else aside... the M1 has no fans and the battery lasts forever. Did I mention it has no fans?

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tre630 · 3 years ago

Just a slight correction. M1 Airs have no fans. But the M1 Pros actually do have fans, though they maybe rarely used unless you're doing some heavy video editing,

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Science_421 · 3 years ago

Get the M1 MacBook Air with 16 Gb RAM and 512 Gb Storage.

You can use Parallels to run windows virtualization.

Buying an Intel Mac is wasting your money at this point.

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Mcrich_23 · 3 years ago

M1 will be way better and supported longer

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