Tony's journey was more relatable.

Both Tony and Luke gave up. Tony gave up because he knew something like this was always inevitable since NY. And he took Peter's death upon himself, thinking he is the cause as he was the one who recruited him. And after he tries his best but still fails to stop Thanos, he gives up, and he goes back to protecting the one thing he still has left - Pepper. But Peter's memory is again the only thing which brings Tony back and motivates Tony to try again. In the end, after learning he is the only one who can pull it off, he sacrifices himself to make the world a better place for Pepper, his daughter and for Peter.

On the other hand, Luke gives up at the first moment of failure. He hasn't even failed yet, it is heavily implied that Snoke has not even fully turned Kylo yet. Yet Luke gives up and resorts to murder as his first solution. And just completely gives up after he has failed literally just once. And there's no concrete reason why he waits until Rey comes to change his jedi robes and tells he is there to kill himself. It's just so ham fisted. And he necessarily did not even save anyone. The Resistance would have still been caught if Rey wasn't there to lift the rocks.

See the difference? Tony's sacrifice felt more earned.

So I think for some people it might feel like the same thing. However, I cried like a baby and I think there's a couple reasons why.

1. He didn't die alone: I might be biased because my favorite comic book character of all time is from queens (won't say name because of our autobot) but seeing them together with the opposite of salt made me cry. He wasn't a loner to die alone.

2. He did something that actually mattered: Luke didn't defeat anyone, he barely fought for anything and after it was all over our heroes are in a worse position then before. Needless to say that wasn't the case with endplay.

3. Metally man was still himself: They might have started in the same space but, the reasons Metallic dude was there made sense. He lost one defacto child and was now protecting another real child to fill that hole. We saw all of it! That's the key to making that kind of character shift work.

1. It was already established that their are negative affects to the user if they do the snap the snap. This was foreshadowed waaaaaaaaaayyy back in Guardians 1, hinted at during the final scene of Infinity War, and demonstrated by both Thanos and Hulk. Plus its established that Thanos and Hulk were able to survive because Thanos is a big boi and Hulk is a big boi who is immune to gamma rays

2. It feels like the scene was properly built up

3. He actually stops the threat for good.

4. He doesn’t die alone

Because Tony died accomplishing something BIG. Luke died just to prank Kylo.

EDIT : also, the movie doesn't trick you in believing Tony is gonna make it, just to pull the rug under you in the next scene.

After losing to Thanos, Tony is completely broken. He’s depressed and lost and basically hangs it all up. Then 5 years go by, he gets married and has a daughter and tries to move on, but he can’t. Tony has always been unable to leave the mission behind. Even when he doesn’t want to fight, he knows that he has to, and he can’t just give up knowing that he’s not helping people who need him. So he comes back to help in the fight, reconnects with his team, and gives his life to save the world, finally able to rest knowing that he did everything he could.

Now imagine he never came back to the Avengers.

Imagine instead of his depressive broken state lasting for 30 minutes, it lasted for 2 hours. The team comes to him for help and he refuses, but instead of deciding to come back he stays moody and cranky and hopeless. He doesn’t help build the gauntlet, doesn’t go time traveling, doesn’t do anything. He’s pretty much irrelevant until the absolute end of the movie, and in the final faceoff with Thanos, he gives some crappy speech, just kinda flies around, and then somehow dies. Sound familiar?

The reason Tony’s death worked is because he was Tony to the end. He went through the emotional ringer in this one, but he was completely in character and his death was a beautiful sacrifice that hit all the right emotional chords. Luke’s death didn’t work because it was like watching the death of a character you barely knew. After a whole movie of him refusing the call, it meant nothing to me when he accepts it in literally the final moments, just to swing his lightsaber around and then die. I cried for like an hour after Endgame, after crying the whole time in the theater. All i felt when Luke died was a sense of bewilderment, and I was more annoyed than sad.

Well dr. Strange seems to believe he is the key, so if this scene is early on then he gets back and does some cool shit...of its an end scene, well then RIP tony. But I assume the key marvel characters that don’t have continuing contracts are going to be explosive in this movie.

A friend of mine stumbled onto the set of Spiderman: FFH and literally bumped into RDJ. If he's in FFH then he absolutely survives Endgame.

Unless they actually do involve time travel, then he could be driving one as Tony in the past.

He's not in the movie, he just officially adopted Tom Holland. He was there as a parent, not a co-star.

Unless...he goes back to space. Lol.

He’s gonna turn Nebula into an Audi...

Or maybe Marvel have come to their senses and stopped announcing how long the actors contractual agreements are?

Listen if he can build a suit in a cave with a box of scraps he can build an Audi in a spaceship

Yah it’s gonna end up being the end of the movie I bet like after the big battle.

Edit: I really think he will live though because seriously who else could play Iron Man? I think he might become a producer or director and just show up as a guest star now and then. But I don’t think marvel is done with Iron Man which means they can’t be done with RDJ either. Plus he’s an epic part of Tom Holland’s Spider-Man and I don’t think spider man would be as good without step daddy RDJ showing up randomly which he can’t do if he’s dead. I think he survives end game but just takes a back seat with only short cameos maybe similar to Stan Lee’s thing.

Physically/mentally/emotionally Tony is dead.

Far From Home wouldnt be talking about Tony in a past tense if he was alive.

It's possible for a What If? episode, but I believe they left him dead. I don't think they want to go back and undo a moment that big

The most outlandish theory I have heard was one i came up with where Tony was uploading his consciousness into the computer while he was just staring off into the unknown.

This isn't that bad. But still, why would he do this? You're using the story from Nolan's final Batman film. Both wanted normal lives, but the difference is that Tony knew normal would never exist. Him faking his death or just retiring the mantle would not allow him to rest.

He’s dead.

> But, what if, this is an act?

But why

If that's the case, why would Strange bargain for him if he's going to drop 20 minutes after he makes the trade?

Stark losing to Thanos would really drive them into a corner. He gets all the stone, wipes half the universe And they don't have Tony to help? It would be better narratively rather than dying on a ship like a punk

Sorry but not buying it. Strange saw that Tony Stark was needed as the only way to save the universe so it wouldn't make sense that he dies like that. I believe he gets saved last minute. Weather it be by Captain Marvel or Rescue (pepper potts).

No one has made a strong argument for why Tony had to snap and self delete himself

Writing your own story isn’t criticism. Plus, you haven’t actually written this so I prefer the actual, complete movie to a few random musings from someone who apparently doesn’t like the movie.

>in endgame the plot of the finale in the movie itself is idiotic.

You can say this about almost every MCU movie.

They're all fun, but they're stupid as hell.

Doctor strange disagrees.

And you’re sure that wasn’t one of the 14 million scenarios Strange saw that didn’t work, right?

His helmet wasnt destroyed, it was pulled off by Thanos. That being said, he had enough nano bots left to fill his stab wound, and he probably could make another helmet with the remaining armor that was on his body.

Doesn't exactly line up with the whole "Dr Strange needed Tony alive to win endgame theory". Strange wouldn't have given up the time stone for Tony's life if he knew Tony would die later on without contributing anything.

He dies. Captain dies of old age as well.
Source: watched the movie.

That would just be bad storytelling.

His suit is made of nanobots. He made whatever he had left into a helmet.

He could turn that helmet into a shoe, or a shoulder pad, or probably a single blast repulsor.

He made a helmet to record the message.

Understandable why it was cut. Although the small scene in the theatrical cut with Steve and Thor's reaction to Tony dying left me wanting more. Like at least show us Bruce and Clint, The OG 6 Avengers and such. The funeral was definitely a better choice, showing us other characters like the Barton family/Pym family/Genereal Ross/Fury and Hill/the kid from IM3 etc.

I think its everyone having a uniform reaction that kills it. Clint on one knee make sense. Hulk just dropping to both with open hands would have been more "his" thing. Star Lord, I guees, would be more of a "stare in confusion/openly cry" type of guy. Mantis would probably just sob, maybe do a full-on head back howl-at-the-sky (she'd probably be sensing everyone even without touching them).

Edit: forgot Nat isn't there.

After seeing the look on Dr.Strange’s face, I really hope, in his 2nd movie, Stephen mentions how he felt about the InfintyWar/Endgame events or at least mentions what it felt like knowing the ending of Tony’s story...

Imagine time traveling to 2012 and showing everyone this scene right after the first Avengers came out.

Pause. Winter Soldier would like a word on that last point.

But you’re right, pretty damn close.

So she survived the snap?

Coulson is dead. He died at the end of season 5.

I like when he said in end: "I entend to enjoy the time I have left, and I suggest you do the same. Life is precious. Enjoy ever second. You never know when. Good luck."

I cried a little when he said life is precious… it was such a sweet moment. RIP Bludworth 🕊️

It was sad! Felt like he was saying goodbye to everyone fr.

The fact he decided Bloodlines would be his final film showed how much he enjoyed the franchise. It really was a perfect way to send off not only the character but the actor himself.

This scene was kinda sad. You can see how thin he is here. I'm glad he got to say goodbye, though