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Which musical would you say most affected how musicals are made today, be it the style of storytelling, the songs, or anything else?
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Which musical would you say most affected how musicals are made today, be it the style of storytelling, the songs, or anything else?

Posted by AngryMoose125 · in r/musicals · 3 years ago
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In my opinion, it’s RENT- a musical that completely and totally redefined how a musical on Broadway can sound and the type of stories told. It is a (rare at the time) musical from the perspective of the common person- poor, struggling to get by.

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linzzzzi · 3 years ago

Oklahoma, Hair and JCS for rock music, Company and Chorus Line for concept musicals, whichever 1980s British megamusical came first, Rent. And nobody likes this answer including me but Mamma Mia and Jersey Boys opened the floodgates to the million jukebox and bio musicals we see now.

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Saxobeat28 · 3 years ago

I feel like this is a loaded question that could honestly even be broken down by genres. While I’m the biggest RENThead, I could go on about various shows that influenced RENT and Jonathan Larson. I mean obviously there’s a show every few years that stands out or rocks the boat, but still a question with many, many answers

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waterteawater · 3 years ago

I would say Rent and a more contemporary one would be Hamilton.

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AngryMoose125 · OP · 3 years ago

I can definitely see Hamilton being up there- much like Rent it has a genre of music that most people had yet to associate with musicals- with Rent it was generally modern styles of music and with Hamilton it was rap which quite honestly I never thought I’d see in a musical

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AdamInJP · 3 years ago

Show Boat.

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poblob14 · 3 years ago

Most obviously, Oklahoma! for integrating the songs and the story.

More recently, Hair for using the rock idiom, Jesus Christ Superstar for the through-composed style, and In The Heights for Latin and rap music.

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Top five most influential musicals

Posted by Pythagorean415 · in r/musicals · 1 month ago

I was talking to a friend recently and we got into a debate on to what are the five most influential musicals of all time (not including operettas)

Here is my list

Showboat

Oklahoma

Company

A chorus line

Rent

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BroadwayBaseball · 1 month ago

Changed your mind on West Side Story, did you? That’s still one I’d nominate. Aside from launching Sondheim’s career, it veered musical theater into a new, darker direction.

Obviously Oklahoma for being the first book musical.

Maybe Show Boat, not because of its attempt at being a book musical, but because it’s the first racially integrated broadway show.

Les Mis or something by Andrew Lloyd Webber — the shows that kicked off the megamusical trend. Maybe Jesus Christ Superstar would be considered the oldest of them, but Cats and Phantom had the staying power.

Rent, for incorporating pop rock into the score, creating the ticket lottery, and really establishing a musical fandom.

Honorable mentions: Hair, Cabaret, Fiddler on the Roof, A Chorus Line

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Pythagorean415 · OP · 1 month ago

Interesting, I changed my mind on West side story because I swapped It out For A chorus line, I think A chorus line defines a lot of contemporary theater in a way that can't be understated.

Rent and Oklahoma in my opinion are required for defining eras.

Showboat I agree with you

But my reasoning for company is that I think the concept Musical has become such a defining piece of theater that has to exist. There were a few concept musicals before it but I think company perfected it and defined it as we know it, and it's what truly had soundheim find his voice

In a perfect world would love to have two more slots, one for phantom and one for West side story because those are the two I wish I could add.

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BroadwayBaseball · 1 month ago

A Chorus Line defines a lot of contemporary theater, but it stems from a world of theater built on West Side Story. Both are extremely important in the discussion of musical history.

How many concept musicals are there, compared to megamusicals? I say this as someone whose favorite musical is probably Company. The show’s amazing, and its influence definitely exists. But there isn’t an “era” defined by concept musicals, the way there is one defined by megamusicals. Not in my opinion.

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BroadwayBaseball · 1 month ago

It’s easier to pinpoint the influential writers than individual shows (probably a pretty obvious statement). I don’t know what one Sondheim show beyond West Side Story I would definitively call a “top 5 most influential” musical, but his influence runs rampant in theater. This is in no small part because of his mentoring up-and-coming writers.

Likewise, Oscar Hammerstein (Sondheim’s mentor) was extremely innovative, to the point that most people on this thread will probably include 2 of his works. But where do we draw the lines? Oklahoma was groundbreaking, yes. There would be no Carousel without Oklahoma, and no South Pacific or The King & I without Carousel, and I will argue that there would be no West Side Story without Carousel, South Pacific, and The King and I. Just as much as I will argue there would be no Cabaret or Fiddler without West Side Story.

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TwoSimple2581 · 1 month ago

The megamusical British Invasion era doesn't seem well-remembered compared to other parts of history but definitely deserves to be represented. Les Mis has had so many imitators, too, most of them forgotten because they were bad and flopped

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linzzzzi · 1 month ago

I wouldn't want a list limited to five for the entire art form. But a few to consider: 

Cabaret, for the departure from the golden age, some confrontation of the audience if not fully immersive theatre, and Fosse.

Hair for rock music, youth culture, contemporary issues, and attracting poorer people to broadway.

The Last Five Years, idk if it's itself influential or just a really good study of what I see as 21st century Broadway. Small cast, fewer sets, small interpersonal conflicts, lyrics of... deliberate mundanity? Something. We wouldn't have Dear Evan Hansen, Come From Away, or Maybe Happy Ending without the Last Five Years I think.

The Producers reinvigorating comedies.

Mamma Mia and Jersey Boys' success ushering in one thousand jukebox musicals.

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TwoSimple2581 · 1 month ago

Dear Evan Hansen was a Jr version of Next to Normal which was a child of Rent, imo. Also The Last Five Years was part of a late-90s-early-2000s wave of intimate song cycles/chamber musicals, some kinda remembered like A New Brain, others forgotten like Thrill Me or John & Jen (both duo shows, but a gay couple and mother and son respectively) L5Y is definitely the most well-remembered of that crop (although Tick Tick Boom made an impact recently) but I wouldn't say it was influential by itself, especially since the interpersonal conflicts and musical complexity feel very indebted to Sondheim

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weirdoeggplant · 1 month ago

lol the jukebox musicals cannot be understated

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crregis · 1 month ago

I think Company’s importance lies not only as a next step in concept musicals, but also in launching the golden age of Sondheim, particularly the Prince/Sondheim era that I think might be the most celebrated and influential partnership in the post golden age era.

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BroadwayBaseball · 1 month ago

Hamilton definitely belongs in the conversation, but I don’t know if I’d put it in top 5. We haven’t seen a whole lot of musical influence (no other major rap musicals) in the last 10 years, but I’d say we’ve definitely seen a huge shift in casting choices. Much more color-blind and color-conscious casting happening nowadays. This is significant.

I suppose how you define influence is the question here. Hamilton has had a very different influence than, say, Les Mis or West Side Story, and much less time to compare legacies.

Eh, I’ll give it to ya. That’s a valid one to put in one’s top 5 here. I don’t know what I’d omit from my own list to include it, but having it there is fair.

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TwoSimple2581 · 1 month ago

You've almost got one for each major decade here, which feels fitting. If you had a slot for the 90s Rent would definitely belong there (although I don't know what would represent the 2000s - Avenue Q?)

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Anxious_Tune55 · 1 month ago

I think an argument could be made for Beauty and the Beast, as the first Disney stage musical.

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Musicals based off of the works of Shakespeare

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RiverObjective7432 · 1 month ago

There is a Romeo&Juliet musical, at least in German, I‘m unsure if there is an English version (there are versions in different languages, French for example but I‘m unsure if it’s the same musical as I haven’t seen/listened to either of them)

I don’t know of any other musical directly adapting a Shakespeare story

I think West Side Story is the next best thing as it’s inspired by Romeo & Juliet

The Lion King was inspired by Hamlet, if I remember correctly

Then there is &Juliet, that was inspired by Romeo&Juliet and uses some of its characters and also original characters plus Shakespeare and Anne Hathaway (his wife)

Something Rotten is not inspired by a Shakespeare story but is set in Shakespeare‘s time and features him as an important character

That’s all I can think of rn

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No-Score7979 · 1 month ago

The Lion King is actually Henry IV (Simba is Prince Hal learning to grow up, be serious and be a responsible ruler) but with elements of Hamlet.

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taytay451 · 1 month ago

No it’s definitely Hamlet, but with a happy ending. The uncle kills the father and the son avenges him

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WittsyBandterS · 1 month ago

Two Gentlemen of Verona won best musical

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DamphairCannotDry · 1 month ago

Follies was robbed XD

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cyberentomology · 1 month ago

Something Rotten!

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MacduffFifesNo1Thane · 1 month ago

Yeah, Hamlet is a pretty faithful rendition of Omelet except he took away the tap dancing eggs, and I can’t really forgive that.

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lego-lion-lady · 1 month ago

Came here to say the same thing!

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Pythagorean415 · 1 month ago

Kiss me kate

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lawtalkinggal · 1 month ago

The best

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DramaMama611 · 1 month ago

The Boys from Syracuse

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Any musicals that were originally books?

Posted by FirefighterGrand6263 · in r/musicals · 3 months ago

I know Jekyll And Hyde, The Phantom Of The Opera, and Les Mis were originally books, but any others?

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GayBlayde · 3 months ago

Off the top of my head:

Man of La Mancha

Prettybelle

Dear World

The King and I

South Pacific

Flower Drum Song

Pipe Dream

Gigi

Camelot

Fiddler on the Roof

Kiss of the Spider Woman

Passion

By Jeeves

Cats

Natasha, Pierre, and the Great Comet of 1812

Breakfast at Tiffany’s

Edited to add the following, I just keep thinking of more and more:

Cabaret

Ragtime

Mary Poppins

Mame

Tuck Everlasting

Wicked

Once on This Island

Seussical

Matilda

James and the Giant Peach

Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory

The Great Gatsby

The Outsiders

Hamilton

Fun Home

Oliver!

The Color Purple

Gypsy

Carrie

The Lightning Thief

Anne of Green Gables

The Wizard of Oz AND The Wiz

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Some-Show9144 · 3 months ago

Mean girls is a musical based on a movie based on a parenting book!

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mcsangel2 · 3 months ago

And The Phantom of the Opera.

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FloridaFlamingoGirl · 3 months ago

And don't forget A Year With Frog and Toad. It does a perfect job of translating the gentle whimsy of the books to stage 

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Mackin-N-Cheese · 3 months ago

"Off the top of my head..."

Names 38 musicals

I wish I had your memory.

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Only-Yesterday8914 · 3 months ago

Sweeney Todd, actually! It was adapted from The String of Pearls, one of the most well known penny dreadfuls!

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marvelman19 · 3 months ago

This is true, but the musical and the book is quite different because the musical is actually based on a previous play by Christopher Bond!

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StatusAlternative321 · 3 months ago

This is true, but the musical and book is quite different because the musical is actually based on a previous play by Christopher Bond!

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marvelman19 · 3 months ago

This is true, but the musical and the book is quite different because the musical is actually based on a previous play by Christopher Bond!

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Big_You_8936 · 3 months ago

Hamilton, based on the biography of the same name by Ron Chernow

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Crock_Harker · 3 months ago

Totally agree, but the musical is based on the book regardless. LOL

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Crock_Harker · 3 months ago

Wicked

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What musicals do you think are culturally relevant to today

Posted by jayriv82 · in r/Broadway · 1 month ago

I've been thinking a lot about Cabaret, Les Miserables, Wicked, and Hunchback of Notre Dame in relation to today and I want to see what other people think. (I'm also looking for relevant quotes bc I've been posting those)

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BeautifulRow7605 · 1 month ago

Oh, and liberation that was good and relevant. And argue arguably John Proctor

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Grouchy_Account4760 · 1 month ago

Ragtime. The haves, the have nots. Injustice. Hoping for something better.

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Worried-Location-573 · 1 month ago

Im so excited to see this one on Broadway! 

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Naive-Ant-8056 · 1 month ago

Parade - antisemitism, an unjust legal system weighted against minorities, racism

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AccidentalAllegro · 1 month ago

Fiddler on the Roof as well

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kess0078 · 1 month ago

I remember the LAST Fiddler revival, it was extremely timely considering the Syrian Refugee crisis then. Sad how that cycle continues, and this story remains relevant. :-/

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Secret_Asparagus_783 · 1 month ago

It was produced by several Chicago-area companies in the early 2020s after the pandemic restrictions were lifted. Facing a strange new fatal disease was not a difficult thing for young performers to relate to.

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conbird · 1 month ago

Urinetown. Basic life necessities are getting increasingly difficult for people to afford and the government disappears people.

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Rustash · 1 month ago

I saw a local production of this recently and man…I was not a fan of how cynical it got towards the end at all. It made me question exactly what the show was even trying to say. Don’t bother fighting against the bad guys because it’ll just end up being bad anyway? Altruism is only good to a point? I was a fan of it up until that point.

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conbird · 1 month ago

Interesting. I haven’t seen it since the Broadway production and didn’t feel that way at all but I was also a high school student so would likely engage with it very differently at this point in my life. I was sad to miss the Encores production. Hopefully another opportunity will present itself soon.

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GoFouR · 1 month ago

Came for this but also Malthusian theory. (“Hail Malthus” at the end, check it out!)

Stuff gets better to a point, then tips back. Urinetown is genius. Also fascism bad.

And ETA there are so many good, quotable song lyrics in this one.

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mattbrain89 · 1 month ago

Newsies…young people protesting an old rich dude, jessayin’.

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Why do musicals have more similar staging than plays or operas?

Posted by TriboarHiking · in r/musicals · 7 months ago

I've been getting into musicals recently, and I've been wondering why big musical productions tend to look the same, while every Shakespeare or Mozart opera is going to be staged very differently. Is it a matter of copyright? Or is the staging enough of the appeal that it stays stable ? (Or am I completely off base and just haven't seen enough musicals?) Edit: what I mean is that Wicked always looks like Wicked, for example, while two Romeo and Juliet can be extremely different

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RezFoo · 7 months ago

A lot of musicals are still under copyright. Shakespeare is not.

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TriboarHiking · OP · 7 months ago

That's what I was thinking, but many operas (and play) are also under copyright, and the production is very different every time. Still, I know very little about copyright law, and I was wondering if the copyright between a musical and a play was different

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alaskawolfjoe · 7 months ago

For a period after a musical is produced, the rights are not released so you see duplication of the original production

Later the rights are released so you get very different interpretations

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A12086256 · 7 months ago

New staging which is dramaticly different from the original isn't as common in musicals because audiences for musicals still enjoy the original. Most of the major operas have been performed so many times that audiences for operas want something new.

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TriboarHiking · OP · 7 months ago

That's a good point! Additionally, most operas aren't as tied to a setting, because the plot is more secondary than for musicals. I don't especially mind seeing a Magic Flute in a vaguely contemporary setting, but it would probably feel weird for les mis

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BookMingler · 7 months ago

My personal opinion is a couple of reasons:

  1. Copyright - anyone can stage a Shakespeare and Mozart and do what they want with it. They’ve been around so long that you need to reimagine them to attract interest, but you also get complete creative freedom. 
  2. Demand - people in New York generally want to see the same show that people in London saw.

 

It does happen in musicals though. The Great Comet of 1812 looked vastly different in the US than the UK (with a bit of muttering). Meanwhile Phantom and Les Mis have both been restaged in the UK recently (though are still recognisably them).

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kfbonacci · 7 months ago

Well Wicked is still in its original run, so the costumes and staging are the same. We’re still seeing the original director’s vision.

New Shakespeare productions, for example, have a new director each time that can direct the show within their vision.

Musicals that have the rights open to purchase will have a new director, costumes, sets, etc. Does that make sense?

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baltinerdist · 7 months ago

Company from Stephen Sondheim is a great example of a show that has had very different stagecraft in its various incarnations. The Raul Esparza run was super minimal, the genderflip Bobbie version is very cubist/compact, the NPH in Concert version was couch-forward, etc.

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MellonPhotos · 7 months ago

Also, in regards to Wicked, the tours of it look exactly the same because those are tours of the Broadway production. They are not their own separate production. Usually, regional theatre companies are not able to license a show while it’s on Broadway, so they can’t do their own productions.

However, Wicked has allowed for a couple of international non-replica productions. If you do an image search for “Wicked Brazil” you can see the different set design.

If you really want to see how different productions of musicals can be, do an image search for “Sunset Boulevard 1993” and “Sunset Boulevard Jamie Lloyd” and see how different they look.

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TractorArm · 7 months ago

That is not a thing.

Edit after OP edit: What you are referring to is replica productions, which happen in all forms of theatre.

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Mysterious_Stuff6037 · 7 months ago

I think what they’re referring to is that I saw rent four times and it looked exactly the same every time. I’ve seen La Boheme three and the set design and blocking were different each time.

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muggleharrypotter · 7 months ago

It depends entirely on the production. There can be majorly different interpretations of some musicals. Others are more regimented- Fiddler on the Roof comes to mind.

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musicals based on/ about books

Posted by Timely-Objective-780 · in r/musicals · 7 months ago

The theme for a showcase i’m doing is “Books”. We need to bring our own material (scenes and songs) and i’m hoping you guys could help me find material. Anything related to books is good. If you have any musical recommendations please comment them! Thank you! EDIT: i know about books based upon musicals please help on the about part :)

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Historical_Stuff1643 · 7 months ago

Secret Garden, Les Mis, Great Comet, Cabaret

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rpb192 · 7 months ago

Cabaret is kinda more based on the play I Am a Camera than the book itself, its all a sort of hodgepodge

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MannnOfHammm · 7 months ago

Tho I am a camera is a fantastic read

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Historical_Stuff1643 · 7 months ago

True.

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WildGreenLily · 7 months ago

Matilda was a book originally, I think there's also a musical based on James and the Giant Peach? Oh, and Oliver was originally a book if course. The Secret Garden too. Also The Time Traveller's Wife.

Is there a musical of The Book Thief too?

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SarahApproved · 7 months ago

Yup, Pasek and Paul wrote a Giant Peach show years ago! Then there’s also Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, The Witches and we’re getting the BFG this year 😄

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full_and_tired · 7 months ago

Also Charlie and Chocolate Factory

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anonbanan · 7 months ago

i can’t believe no one’s said wicked

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SarahApproved · 7 months ago

I love posts like this - finding shows for a specific request! Hopefully this helps a little OP! 😄 If you’re looking anything else, just let me know! ✨

  • Classics - Anne of Green Gables (multiple musicals), Lord of the Rings, Dracula, Frankenstein, Jekyll and Hyde, The Railway Children

  • YA - Between the Lines (Jodi Picoult), Dusk: a bite-size love story (Twilight), Tyrell (GOT)

  • Kids books - The Lightning Thief (Percy Jackson), The Creakers, Fancy Nancy, Freckleface Strawberry, Really Rosie, Diary of a Whimpy Kid, Dog Man, A Year with Frog and Toad

  • History - Operation Mincemeat (The Man Who Never Was), Fantastically Great Women who Changed the World (kids book), Mrs Beeton Says (Mrs Beeton’s Book of Household Management)

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Timely-Objective-780 · OP · 7 months ago

omg thank you! i’m leaning towards a song from between the lines because it fits age wise and with my vocal part, so thanks!

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veronixasawyer · 7 months ago

YES BETWEEN THE LINES! I was going to comment this

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Joan_Wilder95 · 7 months ago

Ragtime

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Musicals that changed the time period of the source material or changed the tone of the source material

Posted by idkbutthatsme · in r/musicals · 3 months ago

This can be musicals in other languages too but my main priority r on English language ones

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PhillipBrandon · 3 months ago

West Side Story is one notable example.

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idkbutthatsme · OP · 3 months ago

absolutely

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nowhereman136 · 3 months ago

the new Pirates of Penzance takes place in New Orleans

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IgamarUrbytes · 3 months ago

Sister Act. The movie was contemporary in 1992, they set the musical in the late 70s

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coolhandjennie · 3 months ago

I didn’t know that! I’m not a big fan of musical adaptations of movies but that’s such an interesting shift, I’d give it a shot.

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Sharp-Philosophy-555 · 3 months ago

Hadestown no longer ancient greece

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idkbutthatsme · OP · 3 months ago

wish the proshot wld come out

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weirdoeggplant · 3 months ago

Oh my god this so much. I wish there would at least be an update or something.

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Who_Ate_Meh_Bread · 3 months ago

There are some pretty good slime tuts on YouTube if you look hard enough ;)

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Yoyti · 3 months ago

The Comedy of Errors is set in Ancient Greece. Or, rather, both The Boys From Syracuse and The Comedy of Errors are set in the city of Ephesus at an unspecified time under either Greek or Roman rule. There are anachronisms and historical innacuracies in both, as is typical for Shakespeare, but the overarching setting of Ephesus constrains them as the city didn't last that long into the Common Era

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Star-Mist_86 · 3 months ago

Rent (based on La Boheme, set in Paris in the early/mid 1800s) 

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What do y’all think is the most influential musical of this century?

Posted by Notsocasual_redditor · in r/musicals · 2 months ago

Since we are a quarter of the way through the century, i’d like to ask anyone who is reading this about what is the most influential musical of the century so far. i don’t really have an opinion on this, but i’d like to hear everyone else’s.

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Designer-Prize-6624 · 2 months ago

Maybe Hamilton. A lot of social importance, the structure is unique and being hip-hop is innovating

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Music19773-take2 · 2 months ago

This and I don’t think it’s even got a close second. Whether you enjoy the musical or not, the effect that it’s it’s had not just on musicals but society as a whole is something I haven’t seen in my lifetime. And honestly, I don’t know that I ever will again.

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External_Ease_8292 · 2 months ago

Plus Hamilton has engaged a whole new generation of musical fans. Like JC Superstar did in its day.

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StumblinThroughLife · 2 months ago

Anything that gets people who “don’t like musicals” to enjoy a musical is in the top running. And this by far did exactly that.

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BigKRed · 2 months ago

Hamilton. But I can’t help but say “And although the news papers called it the Crime of the Century, Goldman knew it was only 1906… and there are 94 years to go! La la la”

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russkigirl · 2 months ago

Always appreciate a Ragtime reference. I'd say Ragtime was probably the most influential musical for me, personally, since it was my first musical, my senior musical and my favorite musical overall. I'm glad it gets a lot of love here even if most people don't know it outside of the musical theater community.

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Miserable-Paper1474 · 2 months ago

hamilton.

• 11 tonys

•  a pulitzer prize

• a grammy

• an emmy

• a macarthur genius grant

• shoutout from the obamas, julie andrews, beyoncé and jay z, and PRINCE. THEE PRINCE. he liked it so much that he threw a party for the entire cast.

• praised by rap legends like nas, busta, black thought, andre 3000, jay z, and THE EMINEM. 

• studied in schools

• the only musical that has a crossover in pop culture (quoted in tons of shows, posters, etc.)

• the first musical recording from the 21st century to be inducted in the national recording registry

• increased the inclusion of poc, particularly black people on broadway

• the reason why the plan to replace alexander hamilton on the $10 bill got reversed (how many musicals have changed currency?) 

• a love letter to black artists & black art forms and eliza hamilton 

who knew a hip-hop musical about a forgotten founding father would be executed SO WELL. i’ve never seen a musical integrate r&b, jazz and hip-hop into one, like that is SO avant-garde for musical theatre. black-created genres sung by black artists and other artists of color in a white-dominated industry. isn’t that remarkable??

there will never be another musical like hamilton. it’s like “thriller” for musical theatre. nuff said.

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EntrepreneurMany3709 · 2 months ago

Don't forget it also lead to them changing plans to get rid of Hamilton from the ten dollar note. How many musicals have changed currency?

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New_Bumblebee8290 · 2 months ago

Agreed, and I'm not sure are even in a position yet to fully unpack how much Hamilton shaped the political culture in its era, we may still need a bit more distance to entirely comprehend it. I remember Hilary tweeting "They don't have a plan, they just hate mine" and the version of "One Last Time" that came out with Obama reading Washington's speech - I know there were a lot of other moments like that which aren't coming to mind at the moment. The sheer proximity between real politics and the show was intense.

Then there was the way that having an interest in early American history didn't feel quite as much like co-signing all of the bad stuff because of Hamilton. Some proportion of the backlash to Hamilton is, I think, coming from the pain that things don't feel now how they felt back then. It was era-defining in many ways, but one was because of how it connected with a hope that many people wanted to believe in.

Will it still be Hamilton in 2099? Probably not, but for 2025, definitely.

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Miserable-Paper1474 · 2 months ago

in retrospect, “Hamilton” feels less like a fantasy than a warning: this is how quickly America’s promise could curdle. different things are going to hit you depending on what’s going on currently. i do agree it was era defining as it was a product of the obama era like parks and rec, although i think why it’s not as dated as thereof is not just because of the casting and style, but the the way it combines the past with the present.

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madqueenludwig · 2 months ago

yeah, "color-blind" casting absolutely exploded after Hamilton and it's had a huge impact. I don't even think we'd have Cynthia Erivo playing Jesus without it.

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Shreiken_Demon · 2 months ago

Maybe Wicked since it did result in the IP for IPs sake for new musicals this century, not even then, Wicked was telling a story 99% of the audience wasn’t familiar, as opposed to just a straight remake of say, Beetlejuice,

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musicals that change the tone or setting of source material

Posted by idkbutthatsme · in r/musicals · 2 months ago

like how operation mincemeat is a comedy but the original operation wasnt exactly humorous or Benjamin button musical is in a fishing village in a diff time period

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No-Woodpecker-8217 · 2 months ago

Spring Awakening! Still set in the late 1800s, but now with rock music. 

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t_bird12 · 2 months ago

West side story

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doglover11692 · 2 months ago

I'm curious why you keep posting various different phrasings of this question here.

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idkbutthatsme · OP · 2 months ago

desperation teehee I was hoping for someone to notice

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magniloquence137 · 2 months ago

Honestly, I love how there's a bit of humor even in the actual historical Operation Mincemeat, just in how insane everything was and how big the personalities of all involved were (Charles Cholmondely actually studied bug mating habits for fun, and was genuinely described as "lolloping", for one, and that's not even getting started on Montagu). Not that it isn't a tone change, but still, the parts were kinda all there and semi-farcical to certain degrees already

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Mothswritingeye · 2 months ago

Alice By Heart puts the characters in a ww2 bomb shelter

Natasha Pierre and The Great Comet of 1812 has some modern elements and references

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influences on modern musicals

Key Influences on Modern Musicals

  1. Diverse Genres: Modern musicals draw from a variety of musical genres, including pop, rock, hip-hop, and R&B, allowing for a broader appeal and innovative storytelling.

  2. Cultural and Social Issues: Many contemporary musicals address current social issues, such as race, gender, and identity, reflecting the complexities of modern society. Examples include "Hamilton" and "Dear Evan Hansen."

  3. Technology and Multimedia: The use of advanced technology, such as projections and digital effects, enhances the visual storytelling of modern musicals, making them more engaging for audiences.

  4. Global Influences: International styles and stories have influenced modern musicals, with productions like "The Lion King" incorporating African music and dance, and "Miss Saigon" drawing from Asian themes.

  5. Collaborative Writing: The rise of collaborative writing teams, often combining composers, lyricists, and book writers, has led to more cohesive and innovative works. Lin-Manuel Miranda and Jason Robert Brown are notable examples.

  6. Film and Television: The crossover of musical theater into film and television has popularized the genre, with adaptations of stage shows and original musicals gaining traction on streaming platforms.

Takeaway: Modern musicals are a dynamic blend of various influences, making them more relevant and relatable to contemporary audiences. Understanding these influences can enhance your appreciation of the art form and its evolution.

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