everything about hashirama is hashirama. That‘s one of the many reasons why he‘s such an awesome character. Most powerful character of the whole verse excluding 6p characters, he‘s 🤴🏻

Having high physical energy leads to you have better healing and vitality. Asura inherited his immense physical energy from Hagoromo. Thus, a common trait among his descendants, Senju and Uzumaki, have high physical energy. Hashirama in particular has ridiculous amounts of physical energy. Which is why he has fast regenerative healing. This may be because he's a reincarnation of Asura himself.

Wood Style did not originate from Ashura, from what I remember that was just anime filler.

Wood Style was Hashirama's own thing as an Ashura reincarnation that made him strong, similar to how Naruto had the Ninetails.

The best answer is that his healing was a result of his own training in that he created a 100 Healings style Jutsu that healed him constantly.

From nowhere. He was just very talented at everything he did

He built different

With Hashirama, we have nothing outside of 1 databook statement saying that he died during war. It’s really hard to imagine a scenario where hashirama actually died in battle so he may have sacrificed himself and chose to die for whatever reason. You kind of have to use your imagination.

Madaras MS ability is never mentioned in canon. We only have a non canon scene in one of the storm games where he is capable of rewinding time with his MS. If that was actually his ability then it kind of makes sense that kishimoto never bothered having madara use it. Madara already had every single ability you could imagine and was getting one power up after another and adding time manipulation on top of it would be ridiculous, it would also make the whole zetsu betrayal plot way worse than it already is since kishimoto would also have to come up with a random ass explanation as to why Madara couldn’t have turned back time

Not knowing how Hashirama died is whatever. We don't know how lots of characters in the series actually died. But Madara's MS not being revealed is inexcusable and one my biggest hangups w/ the series. Obito, Itachi, and Shisui have insanely OP abilities. And even Sasuke's abilities, while not as potent as the ones I mentioned, are still really good. Like flames that don't burn out and can be manipulated into different shapes? And that's the weakest ability we've seen from the MS. I would rather Susanoo not get that complete body and Madara just use some OP MS abilities than what we got. It would make more sense. Susanoo is just a poor man's tailed beast after all.

I was always curious about Uchiha Fugaku's MS ability.

Not even Kishi knows how Hashirama died lol.

My theory on hashi's death is that he killed himself out of depression due to the untimely death of his lover Madara.

In the combat speed, wasn't he in sage mode at the start of the fight against Madara? And using the Oro vs Hiruzen fight to say relative to Tobirama in speed when both were extremely nerfed is a bit jank to me. The part 1 edos were so far off of their normal power I don't really think they should be used for scaling any other versions of the characters.

EMS Madara and SM Hashirama also fought relatively in VOTE after Kurama was subdued so it can be concluded that in that panel EMS Madera was holding back

Tobirama managing to touch juubito after he destroyed his body does not mean they are relative in combat speed

The hotei jutsu didn't temporarily immobilize Madara and Kurama even in the panel you showed, they just tried to but instead they sliced it in half along with several mountain ranges immediately after in the very next panel

Anyways nah WM Obito KCM2 Naruto EMS Sasuke are all comfortably above base hashirama

The fact that some people think Base Minato is on Base Hashirama's lvl is absurd.

It's not absurd. Prime Hiruzen, Tobirama, and Minato are on this tier of combat ability.

Just because none of them have wood style, his chakra volume, and wood golem jutsu doesn't mean they aren't on his level.

Great post. Two things I think you missed are that he outran the full Ninetails in base, which is roughly twice as fast as KCM2 Naruto, and that his feats in the final valley were against full Kurama, which has twice as much speed, durability, AP, etc. than the one Naruto has.

base Hashirama is Onepiece slayer

Madara also is really good at sensing things. Hashirama is called the god of shinobi though, so his chakra’s probably pretty big.

madara is also a sensory ninja ☝🏼🤓

Madara was also able to find Obito really fast after his 5 kage fight. He's just pretty good at locating people. (which Idk shouldn't really make sense until he steals Hashiramas sage mode but whatever)

Maybe it's a thing where he can kinda memorise the chakra signatures of people he KNOWS but won't be able to sense random ahh dudes out of nowhere like how sage mode can. That seems less plot-hole tbh since it at least somewhat fits with sharingan.

tbf, even non sensory types in the leaf could sense narutos chakra

Hashirama using his chakra is an equivalent of a strong earthquake and Madara is like a SONAR expert who picks up the signal.

Madara is not more powerful than the tailed beast. Neither Hashirama and Hashirama are stronger than a tailed beast, and whoever had it in their possession held the advantage in the battle.

dunno if one would call that defeat in the traditional sense. hashirama sealed the 9 tails/broke madara's control which is far easier than defeating it, he just got the 9 tails out of the way first

though maybe sage mode is just that op, naruto was able to match sasuke with all ten tailed beasts with a lot of nature energy

Yeah they made Hashirama way to OP. He has the largest chakra supply in the series outside of god tiers who have 6 paths chakra. He can then supplement that with nature energy making him have practically unlimited chakra. He has wood clones, which are just better shadow clones, the best self healing jutsu in the series that costs negligible chakra. He has a wood golem jutsu that can fight tailed beasts, and the wood buddha that can fight the 9 tails clad in susanoo. Not to mention stuff like deep forest bloom which can slaughter most ninja with poison. He’s way too OP imo and really shows the power creep of the series.

Nope. People misinterpret their fights. Hashirama doesn’t easily defeat Madara. After all their fights, he is always barely able to move. Hashirama has one trump card which is the ability to heal automatically, which also led to his early death after abusing it.

Both were prodigies that no one can hope to defeat without six paths powers, especially Madara after unlocking rinnegan.

I don’t think none six path characters ARE supposed to beat him lol. The name of Madara alone had the entire world shook and it was only a close battle between him and the first because he had to hunt down kurama lol. Without him it’s mid diff. The issue with him is 2 things. One is he knows how to fight against mangekyo wielding uchiha. Which eliminates the normal win conditions like genjutsu, or amateratsu, or any of the other insta win wizard eye powers. Second is that he has healing better than 100 heals byakugo, that needs no hand signs, no uber chakra control needed, nor a seal that chakra has to be focused into ☠️☠️.

People on this sub like to assume that Sakura is some unstoppable wolverine,deadpool like juggernaut top tier in boruto just because of this, so imagine someone with even better heals and almost infinite chakra to abuse the ability 💀💀. Now throw in the perception, speed, and strength stat boosts from sage mode. You’re not beating hashi lol. They had better pray he doesn’t show up as a villian in Boruto. If you thought Madara was bad.......

Nah, bro, you forgot—Hashirama can summon Wood Clones and use the Bringer-of-Darkness Technique. Hashirama can make more clones while the real one hides, letting the clones fight Guy. Also, Guy doesn’t have a tracker like Madara’s Sharingan, which can tell where the real Hashirama is.

Bringer-of-Darkness Technique is a genjutsu—it’s not Sharingan-based. Even if you’re only looking at his feet, it literally makes it dark, like you’re fighting in complete darkness. What is Guy supposed to do—just kick randomly in the air?

Bro, Hashirama can also use Wood Style: Sage Art – Gate of the Great God to slow down Guy. Don’t forget, he can also use Four Red Yang Formation and all five basic nature transformations.

100% Edo Hashirama wins—you’d need sealing to defeat him.

Even prime Hashirama wins 100%

Hashirama wins again, guys.

The Night Guy would’ve killed Sage if Six Paths Madara who only survived because of Sage of Six Paths level healing and durability. Hashirama isn’t even close to that he gets folded

... What?

EMS Madara extreme diffed lost to Hashirama.

You don't think the guy that blew out half of Juubidara body can't take on Hashirama? Insanity.

He almost killed Madara who was leagues above Hashirama at that point. He's dying to do it, but he'll do it.

And that's ok. The point of the story is him mastering Kurama through friendship. The show is named Naruto, if Kurama didn't exist he would get amps somewhere else.

Is like saying an Uchiha relies on the Sharingan, of course they do, they have it so they have to use it.

I would say that having wood release is as much of a hack as Kurama or Sharingan to be fair, because of how OP it is.

https://i.redd.it/gh799au3gpjf1.gif

Imagine a younger Kakuzu who trades all of his Jiongu stuff for being stronger, faster, and tougher. His Earth Spear would let him facetank anything Hashirama would throw. Legit Hashirama would need to pull out Sage Mode, maybe even the Senpō Mokuton: Shin Sūsenju to win.

People question how Kakuzu could even claim to have fought Hashirama, and forget old people get debuffed harder the older the get, no matter how strong they were when young.

Note that it's not just any kick though, you are correct to say that guy is the only person who has a chance of killing hashirama, but he needs to kill himself to to even attempt one of the only two taijutsu that could even hope to damage him

Why have six paths chakra when you can have more Hasiharama Cells?

/s

You can probably make the argument that his already insane healing factor would be upgraded even more. Remember when Naruto healed Guy from using the eighth gate? It might be upgraded to passively healing that dangerous injuries.

He already has chakra Absorption abilities

Wood release is literally what God tree does bro.

Imma go with the unexpected here and say he unlocks a sharingan.

Naruto's gift is raw determination and willingness/ability to connect with people. People say kurama was the main reason for his success, but I doubt many people would have been able to win over kurama. Also even before becoming a perfect jinchuriki, naruto mastered sage jutsu to a degree not even jiraiya had achieved, while also coming up with a way to overcome one of its main weakness' using clones, something that no one else could have done without the immense chakra he has at his disposal even without kurama.

If by gifted we mean naturally talented, then 100 percent it goes to hashirama, otherwise it's definitely naruto. The ability to succeed and overcome shortcomings is definitely a gift in it's own right.

Hashirama cells were basically running the whole show in Shippuden:

• Reason why Obito recovered the other half of his body.
• Allowed Madara regenerative abilities and access to sage mode.
• Allowed Madara to awaken his rinnegan.
• Allowed Orochimaru to implant Danzo's arm with a bunch sharingans.
• Allowed Yamato, Madara and Obito to use the Wood Release Kekkei Genkai.
• Allowed Naruto to recover his right arm, Sasuke's left arm as well had he accepted it.
• It is also believed that it was because of hashirama cells Obito could spam Kamui over and over without going blind.

Hashirama's cells are stupid.

Naruto: 50% hard work and 50% Kurama asspull

Hashirama: 100% Hashirama Cells asspull

Genetically, Hashirama.

Gifts from someone, Naruto.

Hashirama Is 100% Hashirama's cells my guy

Not quite. As an edo, he is immortal and can only be defeated by sealing. The regeneration is also significantly better than his normal regen.

No?, not sure what you took from OPs post but he is making a note about hashirama not benefiting from being an edo, not trying to explain the benefits of an edo.

They seem to have perpetually regenerating chakra, not an infinite amount, unless I’m wrong

They don’t have infinite chakra. Edo Tobirama said he only had energy chakra to teleport Sasuke, when he awaken his rinnagan and Edo Minato with the 9tails amp ran out of chakra.

"It's stupid to think that Edo Tensei has infinite chakra, that doesn't make any sense, if that were the case, even a dead and revived child could do bijudamas"

Yeah because those techniques requires no skill. With edo you are still limited on your skill and how much chakra you can put into one jutsu, it's just infinite pool to suck on.

Edo-Hashirama was focused on sealing Edo-Madara, while Edo-Madara only cared about having a fun fight. Their lack of ability to die is obviously a huge factor. Edo-Madara also has had additional buffs, namely Hashirama's cells and the Rin'negan which made him at a power level beyond what he used to be.

Hashirama was gassed out because he was trying to seal Madara, which to be fair, they almost managed to do. Hashirama and Madara's both excessively cracked exterior in Chapter 656 are an indication that both are pretty slow regenerating. Madara is immobilized and about to be sealed when Zetsu takes over Obito and causes the return.

Madara gets resurrected and is instantly back at his original, full power while Hashirama is still in his weakened state (chakra rods immobilizing him, destabilizing his chakra; chapter 657 shows Madara completely halting Hashirama's movement).

He only lost because Madara was brought back to life. If he had not been, Hashirama was literally about the seal him.