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I just finished Attack on Titan. Mind. BLOWN!
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Understanding the Ending of Attack on Titan

TL;DR The ending of Attack on Titan is a complex reflection on freedom, sacrifice, and the cyclical nature of violence. Eren's actions, while controversial, aim to break the cycle of oppression by eradicating Titans, even at a massive cost.

Eren's Sacrifice and Intentions

Eren's actions throughout the series culminate in a controversial yet pivotal decision to initiate the Rumbling. His goal was to protect his friends and give Paradis Island a chance to survive, albeit temporarily [4:6]. Despite the destruction caused, Eren aimed to erase the Titans and break Ymir's curse, providing closure to a long cycle of suffering [4:1][4:2]. However, this came at the cost of 80% of humanity, raising questions about whether such extreme measures were justified [4:2].

Cycle of Violence

A central theme of Attack on Titan is the never-ending cycle of violence and trauma humans experience [5:5]. The series suggests that peace cannot be achieved through peaceful means alone, as long as power dynamics exist [4:4]. Eren's actions reflect the harsh reality that sometimes the least terrible option must be chosen, even if it doesn't feel right [4:3][5:2]. This mirrors Erwin's sentiment that violence will persist as long as more than one human exists [5:2].

Character Reflections and Relationships

Throughout the final episodes, characters grapple with their roles and responsibilities. Armin, for instance, acknowledges his part in influencing Eren's obsession with freedom [1:1][1:2]. The interactions between Eren and his friends highlight the emotional turmoil and complexity of their relationships [1:4]. Eren's choice to not speak to Mikasa and manipulate Grisha further underscores his resolve to achieve his vision of freedom, despite personal sacrifices [3:1].

Interpretations and Critiques

The ending has been met with mixed reactions. Some viewers find it unsatisfactory or confusing, while others appreciate its depth and reflection on human nature [5:1][5:2]. It is compared to other series' endings, like Game of Thrones, but many argue that it successfully conveys its intended message [5:3][5:4]. Ultimately, the melancholic conclusion aligns with the series' overarching themes and provides a fitting end to a complex narrative [5:5].

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I just finished Attack on Titan. Mind. BLOWN!

Posted by ChampionshipBrief870 · in r/attackontitan · 5 months ago
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I just finished the last episode of the series and it took me a while to process everything. I know I'll be thinking about this for days and I was speechless at the end of it. I have never had a show captivate me the way this show did. I'm not really ever emotionally swayed by a show but this show had me on an mental chokehold on a very turbulent emotional rollercoaster. There are SO MANY questions I have and so many things that aren't addressed. I know people have been discussing this for quite some time so I'm really hoping this community can help me sort a few things out:

- Why was Armin all of a sudden OK with everything at the end of his personal discussion with Eren? He says he's also responsible and says they'll go to hell together to pay for all the lives they stole. Does he say this to appease Eren as he can tell Eren has been in such severe mental anguish? Does everyone come to the same conclusion when they talk to Eren before he erases their memories and gives it back to them? Do they all end up being OK with it?

- Why does Eren act like he couldn't do ANYTHING to stop the rumbling himself? He says no matter what he does he can't stop his future memories from changing. But the old Eren would have never stopped trying. For example, what if he stopped Grisha from killing the Reiss family? He would never have become a titan in the first place. Does he somehow just become OK with it so he can complete the memories, end titan violence and then "be free?"

I have more that needs to be addressed but these two were my main concerns. I don't want to turn this into a dissertation because there's so much to discuss. What do you guys think?

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warfaceisthebest · 5 months ago

> Why was Armin all of a sudden OK with everything at the end of his personal discussion with Eren? He says he's also responsible and says they'll go to hell together to pay for all the lives they stole. Does he say this to appease Eren as he can tell Eren has been in such severe mental anguish? Does everyone come to the same conclusion when they talk to Eren before he erases their memories and gives it back to them? Do they all end up being OK with it?

Armin actually thought he should be responsible for everything too. Because Armin showed Eren the world beyond the wall, which is part of the reasons why Eren became a slave of freedom.

>- Why does Eren act like he couldn't do ANYTHING to stop the rumbling himself? He says no matter what he does he can't stop his future memories from changing. But the old Eren would have never stopped trying. For example, what if he stopped Grisha from killing the Reiss family? He would never have become a titan in the first place. Does he somehow just become OK with it so he can complete the memories, end titan violence and then "be free?" I have more that needs to be addressed but these two were my main concerns. I don't want to turn this into a dissertation because there's so much to discuss. What do you guys think?

Eren was dumb and brainwashed by Ymir. Are there any other choices? Maybe. But for Eren this is the best choice that he could choose. He can stop rumbling, but Ymir probably brainwashed him with some twisted words just like how Eren brainwashed Grisha.

I honestly do not think Eren actually has the freedom of choice. For sure, he has the ability to change the future, but he was also brainwashed by Ymir, so basically what he did was all Ymir's idea.

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4evaInSomnia · 5 months ago

Eren choice still the best course of action. -they all now working together to fight in final battle, which lead them to finally understand each other. -people now see them as hero and eren as sole evil. -since no more titan, there is absolutely no reason at all for world to be scared of and hate people in island.

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spiderknight616 · 5 months ago

- What you said is right, Armin is partly trying to appease Eren and put his mind at ease. He is also claiming some responsibility as he was the one who put the idea of an empty outside world in Eren's head, kicking off Eren's obsession with freedom.

- Eren is initially (read: ending of S3) horrified when he learns about the Rumbling. In the time since, he tries doing things to maybe change some part of the future memories he received (what exactly is not elaborated on) but eventually comes to the conclusion that the Rumbling will happen because he wanted it to happen. He keeps rationalizing that it is to save Eldia or save his friends but in the end it is a very selfish wish. So he will keep moving towards his goal of an empty world no matter what.

He partly wants to be stopped by others because he cannot stop himself from continuing down this path. After he gained the full power of the Founder his mind also became a complete mess because of he perceived time in that state, and so his actions almost entirely became driven by instinct.

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ChampionshipBrief870 · OP · 5 months ago

Thank you! Yes that part about Armin mentioning the outside world does help clarify things a bit more. But as for Eren, what if he didn't convince Grisha? Grisha wasn't going to kill the Reiss family until Eren went out of his way to manipulate him. That could have prevented him from being a titan and going down that path.

Idk, I know in the end we may have to just settle with the idea that Eren wanted the Rumbling for the benefits he saw in it and also wanted to be stopped. He could have prevented his mother from being eaten, he could have prevented so much. I'm just having a hard time grasping it all.

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spiderknight616 · 5 months ago

One thing to understand about Eren, is that he wanted the Rumbling to happen. More than his friends living long lives, more than him being with Mikasa, and more than the safety of Eldia. Everything that he did was a means to gaining the power to unleash the Rumbling and realize the empty world he associated with freedom.

He needed Grisha to kill the Reiss family so he would steal the Founder. He specifically held back the news about Carla's death so Grisha would have a breakdown and give Eren his Titans despite his earlier attitude. He needed Bertholdt to survive that day because it was, as Eren says, not his time to die, so the later events could happen (and besides, Carla was dead anyway, she had half a house on her she wasn't going anywhere).

Everything happened because Eren made those choices. And Eren was in a position to make those choices because of everything that happened. Time in AoT is not consisting of alternate worlds, it is a singular path. He could not have prevented anything, would not have prevented anything because he wanted to flatten the world and realize his dream of freedom.

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Cjaugustine42 · 5 months ago

“No matter which era this Titan has found itself in, it has pushed ever forward, seeking out freedom. For the sake of freedom, it fights.” 💫

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InfluentialInvestor · 5 months ago

Try FX’s Shogun.

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Just finished AoT a couple days ago...

Posted by cnajera16 · in r/attackontitan · 4 months ago

Now I understand why this series leaves such a lasting mark on those who watch it. It's not just the action, the twists, or the heartbreak but it’s the weight of its questions, the discomfort in its answers, and the complexity of the characters we grow with.

The ending may leave people divided, but I genuinely believe it was the ending we needed. It wasn’t clean or easy, but neither was the journey. And maybe that’s the point.

Attack on Titan doesn’t just tell a story. It asks what it means to be free, to love, to sacrifice, and to carry the burden of choice. I’m still processing it all, but one thing is clear: this series stays with you.

And yet…Man, does it hurt. I cried for Mikasa and Eren’s story. Its so tragic yet so human. And I mourned everyone else we lost along the way.

Happy endings aren’t always guaranteed and that’s okay. We often turn to stories for comfort, for the hope that everything will work out. But this series reminds us that reality isn’t always so kind. Sometimes, even the strongest love can’t change fate, and even the noblest intentions can lead to sorrow.

We cope with these truths through stories that soften the edges, but every now and then, a narrative comes along that reflects the world as it is: unforgiving, complicated, and deeply human. And in that reflection, there’s a different kind of beauty. One that lingers.

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Rough_Pie2569 · 4 months ago

I’m an artist myself and I think and judge anime just like other works of art.

A man can create something entertaining and we need entertainment, but in my personal judgment I don’t give an artwork 10 stars unless it leaves me wiser than before seeing it.

To me 10 🌟 artwork must be beyond entertaining. It must lead me to deeper reflections about life.

Attack of titan has my 10 stars.

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the_rap_ist · 4 months ago

It does stay with you. It's more than just a story. It lingers long enough to guide your own decisions on freedom

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AdministrationNo1020 · 4 months ago

It's not done yet, I recommend giving it another go and you'll see how different the Warriors acted during the early episodes, it's truly a chef's kiss.

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Remote_Ad2324 · 4 months ago

Could you be truly free then if the world changed according to you ? Answer is no, peace is not freedom. Think about it ? what's freedom for you. Do ideal freedom exist?? I'm not talking about the world i.e. Earth. 

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Angick2209 · 4 months ago

Agreed. I watched it several times. Regarding the ending and the analogy some people have with "Game of Thrones" (it's not comparable), the author knew what the ending would be even before the manga was finished. Some may like it, some may not, but it's solid

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Can someone explain in detail the ending of Attack on Titan and what each piece meant?

Posted by [deleted] · in r/ShingekiNoKyojin · 1 year ago

Watched the endning (anime only) and think I missed much of what it was trying to say. Is there an in depth analysis of the anime version or can someone do one for me?

Like the deal with the baby, the Ymir stuff, the last talk between Armin and Erin, why does Eren not speak to Mikasa, etc. Why Ymir is suddenly shown grown up, what the heck is the magic centipede thing, etc.

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sayona7 · 1 year ago

I recommend this YT video as well. Good stuff.

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haychihuahua · 1 year ago

Saving for later 👍🏻

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Slipthe · 1 year ago

Read this post. It will answer your questions.

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The Dark Truth Behind the Attack on Titan Ending: Was Eren’s Sacrifice Worth It?

Posted by Status_Whole_866 · in r/ShingekiNoKyojin · 8 months ago
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Let’s take a moment to seriously think about the ending of Attack on Titan and what got us there. Honestly, the ending left me feeling pretty confused, especially with Eren’s death and the strange sense that everything just wrapped up too quickly and in a way that felt almost off. If Eren’s goal all along was to protect his friends, why drag them into such a destructive battle in the first place? Wouldn’t it have been better to keep them safe on Paradis Island and avoid pulling them into this disaster?

Eren: Hero or Disaster?

Eren wanted to free his people and make sure they were free. He wanted to create a world without the oppression he faced just because of where he was born or the blood in his veins. We could say he kind of achieved that… but only for his time. After his death, humanity just went back to fighting each other with even worse weapons, as if his actions were just a temporary fix—like slapping a band-aid on a deep wound without actually treating it.

The Paradox of Reality

What really got me was how the writer showed how humans, when given power, can go to extreme lengths. Eren was willing to sacrifice millions just to save a few, even though a peaceful solution could’ve worked with just a small compromise. But that’s the thing: in moments of fear and tension, people come up with brilliant plans, but they’re often disastrous because they come from this place of “I’m the only one who’s right.”

The Tree and the Worm: A Hidden Message

In the end, the scene where the child enters the tree with the “worm” is more than just a symbolic shot. • The tree: It represents humanity’s never-ending curse, this cycle of conflict we just can’t break. • The worm: It’s like the symbol of ultimate power—something that looks tempting but only brings destruction. When the child enters the tree, history starts repeating itself, and it’s like we’re stuck in this endless loop of the same mistakes.

The Ending: A Lesson or a Reflection of Reality?

The ending was shocking because it didn’t give us the closure we expected. The peace that was reached was fragile, like the writer was saying, “This is the reality of humans. The conflicts will keep going, even if we sacrifice everything to try and stop them.” Eren was someone trapped in a terrifying contradiction. He wanted to be the solution, but in the end, he became part of the problem. The ending isn’t happy, but it feels real—it’s the reality that we humans keep making the same mistakes because we refuse to look at the root causes of our problems.

That’s the tragedy of this story: there’s no real win. It’s just another round of history repeating itself.

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Noto987 · 8 months ago

i had complete closure, everything was perfect.

Eren did what he sent out to do, erase all the titans while giving the rest of world many decades of titan free conflict.

seeing the past and future, this was the only path to break ymirs curse and set the world free,

like he said he didn't want kids eating their parents anymore

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Status_Whole_866 · OP · 8 months ago

I agree that Eren achieved something monumental by erasing the Titans and breaking Ymir’s curse. From that perspective, his actions did bring closure to a long and tragic cycle. However, for me, it’s hard to call it “perfect” because of the massive cost involved—80% of humanity wiped out and peace built on destruction. While it’s true that this was the only way to end Ymir’s curse, it still leaves the question of whether such extreme measures were truly worth it or if there could’ve been another path. Ultimately, Eren did succeed in achieving his goal, but the morality of his choices is what leaves me conflicted.

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Noto987 · 8 months ago

ill argue that the morality of not breaking the curse and having kids keep eating their parents is more inhumane.

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Nyarlathotep7777 · 8 months ago

It's not about whether or not it was worth it, it's about whether or not there's a better alternative.

It's a shitty situation with a shitty solution, but all other alternatives are shittier.

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Status_Whole_866 · OP · 8 months ago

It was a messed-up situation with no clean solution. Eren’s choice was extreme, but looking at all the other options, it feels like none of them were any better. Every choice would’ve led to more suffering in some way. He went for the one that gave Paradis and his friends a chance, even if it came at a huge cost. Sometimes, you just have to pick the least terrible option, even if it doesn’t feel right

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Nyarlathotep7777 · 8 months ago

Very much, in a situation with no objectively good choices, he went with the one that protected his loved ones.

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Suppgurll · 8 months ago

But that is the point of the ending, isn't it? That humanity isn't perfect, it never has been and it never will be. There never could be total peace achieved by peaceful means as long as certain types of people hold power.

This series is very much a reflection of our world. Which is far from a perfect utopia.

And Eren was a traumatized individual with incredible power and resolve to save his friends and his homeland. Had he not done what he did, the Eldians of Paradis (and possibly all Eldians) would've been completely eradicated. That isn't peaceful either, and wouldn't have achieved world peace.

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Status_Whole_866 · OP · 8 months ago

Indeed, but what we’re really criticizing is why peace isn’t achieved. Attack on Titan reflects reality in some ways, and in doing so, it allows us to critique that reality in a slightly twisted yet insightful manner.

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SmirkingImperialist · 8 months ago

Eren's actions ensured that the only response the world has is to ensure that Eldians and Paradis are to be genocided to the last, at any and all cost. The most beautiful scene was Paradis being nuked to a crisp.

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Status_Whole_866 · OP · 8 months ago

I get your perspective, but I see it differently. Eren’s goal was never to guarantee permanent peace—he knew that wasn’t possible. What he did was give his friends and Paradis a chance to survive, even if it was temporary. The destruction of Paradis was always a risk, but at least he broke the cycle of oppression and erased the Titans. Seeing beauty in Paradis being destroyed feels off to me—it’s just more proof of humanity’s inability to let go of hate, even after everything.

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SmirkingImperialist · 8 months ago

at least he broke the cycle of oppression

By being the biggest ever oppressor and gave rise to an even bigger group of oppressors that eventually destroy his homeland.

Seeing beauty in Paradis being destroyed feels off to me

It's called karma, and it's a beautiful thing. There is a line in Metro game series that I particularly love:

"It appears that the devastation we brought upon ourselves was complete; Heaven, Hell and Purgatory were atomized as well. So when a soul leaves the body it has nowhere to go, and must remain here, in the Metro. A harsh, but not undeserved atonement for our sins, wouldn't you agree?"

I hope this is Ymir's and her descendants' fate. Even their Heavens and Hells are destroyed and they are never rested.

it’s just more proof of humanity’s inability to let go of hate, even after everything.

We can't, but it's pretty fucking rich coming from a Japanese. Sure, buddy, you got nuked and ~150,000 souls are killed by two canned Suns. Your army bayoneted 50,000 civilians in China in revenge for the Dolittle raid..

What we can get to is a state of permanent armed neutrality where conflicts are avoided because if we start, we are all fucking dead. The world of AOT could get there, but a dipshit started the first step to Armageddon.

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Status_Whole_866 · OP · 8 months ago

Not sure exactly, but it seems like he got the world a few decades, maybe even centuries, of peace—judging by how much the tree grew. That’s a big deal, but it didn’t last forever. The deeper issues—fear, hate, and conflict—were still there, so while he gave humanity a break, it wasn’t a permanent fix.

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How did you interpet the ending of AOT?

Posted by Green-Assignment-956 · in r/attackontitan · 21 days ago

Just finished listening to a podcast epsiode where they briefly discussed the ending of AOT. The conclusion was that the ending was confusing and felt unsatisfactory. And I'm a little confused by this?

I felt like the ending made sense? To mee, it seemed that AOT was an observation about society and human nature. The show was about the never ending cycle of violence and trauma that humans throughout history have gone through.

I guess I just wanted to see how everyone else felt about the ending of Attack on Titan? How do you interpret the ending?

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ErenKruger711 · 21 days ago

Unsatisfactory is the point and mirrors reality

No matter what happens in your story, you aren’t bigger than the order of nature. Everything that happened after rumbling is completely expected

As Erwin said: as long more than 1 human exists, violence will never disappear. Humans will ALWAYS find something to fight about

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Plaxxmos · 21 days ago

Melancholic ending to a melancholic series. Was the ending perfect? No.

But was it as bad as some people make it out to be? Also no.

The fact it’s compared to game of thrones’ ending is crazy to me.

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Forsaken_Option_1335 · 20 days ago

Fr bro. Saw people compare it to the flash and game of thrones ending and that's just sad

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gb2750 · 21 days ago

Perfect ending for this type of story. People are going to complain that the ending was too dark and some people are going to complain that the ending wasn't dark enough but it stuck the landing for me.

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Senjougahara00 · 21 days ago

yeah I always saw it as showing the cycle of violence too, not really a clean happy ending but more of a reflection

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MrPunsOfSteele · 21 days ago

Were they confused about the “message” or the ending itself?

Either way, the only thing I found confusing about AoT when I first watched it was the timeline and Eren’s influence. After that being explained to me like I was 5, I get it all. Do I think thats the only ending that makes sense in order to achieve the same “message”? No. But the ending makes sense for the story.

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Can someone explain in detail the ending of Attack on Titan and what each piece meant?

Posted by [deleted] · in r/attackontitan · 1 year ago

Watched the endning (anime only) and think I missed much of what it was trying to say. Is there an in depth analysis of the anime version or can someone do one for me?

Like the deal with the baby, the Ymir stuff, the last talk between Armin and Erin, why does Eren not speak to Mikasa, etc. Why Ymir is suddenly shown grown up, what the heck is the magic centipede thing, etc.

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MathMore5322 · 1 year ago

Check chat

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??

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MathMore5322 · 1 year ago

I mean which point do u want me to explain first, it be better to start like that. I was gonna say we can do it in chat to make it easier but if not it’s cool

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I don't think I'll ever see an anime as impactful as AoT

Posted by darkmatterO_o · in r/attackontitan · 3 months ago

I finished watching it a few weeks ago and I thought it was amazing, the whole story from the beginning, the Ymir part was interesting... one thing that really got to me was that the ending of season 2 had almost the entire story spoiled there, I didn't understand anything when I saw that ending during season 2...

I found the ending sad because of the explosion that happened but also mainly in that world, where there was only death and sadness, it was the "only" solution that Eren found. And in the end Mikasa was still alone, and the two never got together.

For me, despite being a villain, Eren was also a victim because his life was one misfortune after another and resulted in him being killed by the greatest love of his life.

This anime reminded me a lot of the Netflix series Dark, and a little of the feeling I felt at the time too.

For me they could do more AoT where Eren somehow didn't die because of the paths and I don't know, he goes back to the future after everything ended because of the tree and I don't know, he tries to redo things... I would like a happy ending for that trio of friends who lived in a cruel world

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Top_Effect_5109 · 3 months ago

>I would like a happy ending for that trio of friends who lived in a cruel world

Did you not see the post credit scene? Or read all the supplemental material? They did have a happy ending. They lived a normal life in a modern world with no war at the time.

The ending is Yimir sees Mikasa kill Eren. The reason why Yimir is smiling is because she sees someone willing to sacrifice someone who loves them so much they would end the world for them, which is the opposite of what Yimir was doing. Yimir was going to sacrifice the world for her love and king that didnt give a shit about her. Seeing Mikasa sacrifice her love gives Yimir a metaphorical spine. Yimir goes back in paths into her own body, kills the King, lives the remaining life ruling as best as she can, she probably uses paths to make the best timeline possible, and dies taking the titan powers with her. Titans just become a old myth. The timeline is dramatically changed and society advances because there arent centuries of titan wars. Mikasa, Eren, and Armin in this timeline are normal teenagers in modern society that watch movies and stuff. Thats the ending.

Given the manga's flashforward there is still war and the force behind titans still exist, but how that turns out and effects the world is never shown.

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darkmatterO_o · OP · 3 months ago

I hadn't thought that Ymir could control the timeline like that, it was never clear to me. I always imagined it was a closed loop, with only one line.

I saw the post-credit scene, but I don't know, it doesn't seem like it's canon because there's the scene of the tree growing and then Paradis being blown up by missiles (the war returned years later, as expected after the explosion) and in the end someone finds the tree again (could it be to reincarnate Eren/Ymir?).

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Top_Effect_5109 · 3 months ago

Its definitely cannon, its in the manga. War stopping is too utopian for the author's messaging. Life is beautiful and cruel is a core theme in the series. Instinct and beliefs getting into conflict with others is another theme. I dont think there was a more important theme in the series. Thats the point of the final scene.

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Greedy-Dark-7977 · 3 months ago

Eren dying fits the themes of the story. There are no winners in generational trauma and violence, only losers.

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IssueRecent9134 · 3 months ago

A lot of the issues in the show be between countries was just lack of communication and not letting go of the past.

Marley not once considered talking to paradise and just called them monsters and that’s that.

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Master_Win_4018 · 3 months ago

Tbf, it is 10 times harder to defend an evil guy that was misunderstood.

Even if I uses all the logic and common sense to defend him, people will regard me as being delusional.

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Master_Win_4018 · 3 months ago

Eren killed too much and he need to die. Well, he want to die. He wanted to die during the crystal cave and he is holding on not to die until he finished his task.

>What a nice weather. If only I had thought of that earlier . Well, I suppose that's too much to ask after all the killing I've done.

Zeke gave up living even when he realize he could had lived a more simpler life.

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billwolfordwrites · 3 months ago

FMAB: Brotherhood Steins;gate

Two you could try that i found impactful

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darkmatterO_o · OP · 3 months ago

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BottleOfWar08 · 3 months ago

Mob Psycho 100

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The Ending of SnK finally makes sense to me

Posted by BlackReaper_307 · in r/ShingekiNoKyojin · 2 months ago

I know this is controversial, but I think SnK has a beautiful, excellent ending. I don't think Iseyama-Sensei could have written a more fitting end to Shingeki No Kyojin. Its a convoluted end, yes, but on rewatch, it makes a lot more sense.

To understand, lets start from the beginning. The Story of Ymir the Slave, The Founding Titan. Its gonna be LONG and some of it is speculation/headcanon by me so bear with me please.

Ymir was a young slave girl who was bestowed a terrible power. Being in slavery for so long, she had accepted her fate, fighting the battles of her captors.

And Like Many slaves have often done all throughout history, she came to love her captors. I know it seems weird and nonsensical, but it is a documented behaviour throughout history among slaves and people living in captivity or oppressive conditions. Call it a really terrible case of Stockholm Syndrome. Trauma does nasty things to a person's mind.

Ymir went as far as to give her life for her captor....but she did not die.

Instead, She found herself trapped in the Paths for eternity. And whether it was the trauma of death..... or the horrible betrayal she must have felt when her monstrous captor fed her corpse to her own daughters............her mind finally shattered, reverting to her childhood state of fearful obedience to her cruel captor.

And so she built his titans for him in the Paths......the words of her captor ringing in her ears......eternally trapped in her own version of Purgatory.

But it was not the end. Maybe it was the Time she spent in the Paths, or maybe it was something else.........either way, A New Desire began to surface. A Desire that had led her to set those pigs free. A Desire that had led her to escape her prison and eventually that lake where she found that creature.

A Desire to Be Free.

And while her slave-like obedience continued, this desire sprouted a different personality in her. This personality began to set the stage for her eventual escape from the Paths and from this world.

This Desire even manifested itself into a New Creation. A New Titan. One whose bearers wholly embraced that desire......The Attack Titan was born.

The Attack Titan's powers are poorly understood. In the Paths, Eren asks Ymir, "Are you the one who led me here?" In the ending, we Eren strung up like a puppet in the Attack Titan's Mouth.

I think that the Bearers of the Attack don't see the future. They see what Ymir wants them to see. Ymir....or atleast the part of her that wants to be free.... isn't showing them the future, she is fabricating memories for them and implanting them in the bearer's memories. We know for a fact that Ymir can mess with their memories, even the Ackermans.

This is also backed up by how Eren experiences the Future memories. Always in fragments, always seeing pieces only, never the whole picture.

I don't think Eren was controlling his father or that Dina. Why would he? If he was controlling Dina, why not send her somewhere else? Condemning his mother to die makes no sense...for Eren.......unless it was NOT him who did it.

Everything we see can be achieved by Ymir simply manipulating Eren's and Other Attack Titan bearer's memories.

And all that time, that part of Ymir has been leading the bearers of the Attack Titan.....to Eren. We know that was happening because we know that Ymir has been watching Eren through Mikasa's Eyes.

As Eren himself says to Ymir when he grabs her in the past, "Are you the one who led me here? You've been waiting all this time...For 2000 Years....."

Ymir could not have escaped the paths by herself. King Reiss's heirs held the Founding Titan and they were all bound by his Oath. She needed help. She needed someone to steal the Founding Titan to break free.

She had been leading the Bearers of the Attack Titan using memory manipulation.....all for this exact moment as shown in the above picture. For someone, ANYONE, to give her the comfort, the courage, the strength, to break past her slave programming and the means to seize her freedom.

It is important to note that she was not all-powerful. She did not have complete control over the centipede beast and the founding titan. She could only use its power to create new titans and do memory manipulations.......She could not seize the founding titan herself, the centipede would not allow it for it would jeopardize the beasts existence.

The Beast shows some intelligence in when we see it, spreading its gas to create pure titans, trying to run to Eren to safeguard itself.

This is what it was all for. To Free her from this miserable fate. To END this miserable world she had unwillingly created.

Ymir linked her existence to Eren's, then had Mikasa kill him, so she too could die.

For the Rest of the World, the Rumbling was a cataclysmic event. For her, it was an escape from this horrific, miserable world. And the Best Thing to happen to her by far.

A Death on her own terms.

As for Eren, he never had any control over any of it.

Yes, he had the choice between committing the Rumbling/Genocide and continue the Status Quo of Eldian Oppression and Persecution. But that was about it.

An Important thing to note is that Ymir's Plan works IF and ONLY IF the world becomes horrible enough for the User of the Attack Titan to consider using the Rumbling.

It hinges on the vicious cruelty of the Marleyans as well as the Oppression and Subjugation and eventual radicalization of the Eldians.

It works only if those two things happen. In fact, her plan pretty much hinges on it. And given what she has endured, its almost stupid for her to not bet on humans being cruel.

In other words, The Rumbling just would not have happened if the Marleyans had simply chosen to NOT persecute the Eldians, to ease up and move on and work towards progress.

Eren was not born as the Devil he became. And if Marley had not forced him to become that Devil, then Eren would never have pursued the Rumbling.

Hell, if the Marleyan leadership like the Tyburs had not been vicious enough to normalize cruelty to the point where feeding an Eldian Child to DOGS was considered "Tuesday" for them, then perhaps Eren might not have been born at all.

Despite the convoluted ending, Iseyama's message rings loud and clear. Do NOT let your hatred go so far that your enemy is left with only the worst possible option.

We cannot have another Versailles or Munich. And we must not become like Nazi Germany.

Hate does not lead to salvation. It leads only to death and destruction.

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Outrageous_Ad4217 · 2 months ago

nice post, but you’re also missing the parallels between king fritz + ymir and eren + mikasa which would tie the whole “desire to be free” and “slavery” aspect of your analysis together.

ymir having the power to easily kill king fritz and set herself free but didn’t because she loved him so she essentially trapped herself for all of eternity. whereas mikasa, being an ackermann, also has the power to easily kill eren and set herself free from the binds that love had on her.

notice how when mikasa DID kill eren, both her and ymir were set free from the binds of love that both eren and king fritz had on both of them.

upvoted because i love this analysis

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BlackReaper_307 · OP · 2 months ago

I see the parallel but it does not add up. I don't think it fits.

Yes, Mikasa felt bound to Eren but not because Eren forced or manipulated her into it.

Eren saved her from a life of slavery and prostitution. He did NOT save her for selfish reasons. He saved her and took her in because he detested those slavers and truly believed she deserved to be FREE and HAPPY. As Eren told Zeke, "My Father did not do this to me. This is how I have always been"

More Importantly, Eren NEVER asked for Anything in Return.

In fact, throughout the ENTIRE MANGA, Eren almost NEVER asks Mikasa to do anything for him. This is a crucial part of Eren's character and often gets overlooked.

From Mikasa's Perspective, She had given up, accepting her fate as a slave......only for this boy to save her life, out of pure kindness and an unshakeable belief that she deserved to be FREE and live happily.

To a slave girl being sold into prostitution, the significance of such an act would mean everything to her. Why wouldn't she cling to him?

Comparing Eren to fucking REISS and Mikasa to Ymir is a HUGE disservice to both of them.

Reiss was a Tyrant and Ymir was HIS Slave.

Eren was not a tyrant. He was not cruel by choice. And Mikasa was not enslaved by him. She was freed by him. Eren tried giving her as good a Life as he possibly could have

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bucky_barnes_0310 · 2 months ago

I agree. But it is important to note that Ymir thought that her and Mikasa were essentially the same.

Ymir was trapped by her love for a cruel, abusive tyrant and didn't have the courage to kill him. She had been waiting for someone who could show her the courage she didn't have; the courage to kill your loved one.

That's why AoT is essentially about Mikasa. Ymir was finally freed from her own enslavement by seeing Mikasa kill the person she loved for the greater good.

Yes, Mikasa was never enslaved by Eren and loving him was her own choice. But that can also be said about Ymir from Ymir's perspective. We're not comparing Eren with King Fritz and Mikasa with Ymir; Ymir is. In her own warped sense, Ymir thinks that Eren is a parallel to King Fritz while she is a parallel to Mikasa, because to her, King Fritz was also a person that she loved who she had to "stop". She finally sees the courage she could've /should've had when she was alive. She finally sees that it is possible to "break free" from your own attachment and affections for your loved one. Again, I'm not saying that Mikasa was trapped by Eren. Mikasa had been weighing her own affections for Eren and the greater good, and she chose the latter in the end. That was what Ymir thought she needed to do when she was alive.

Rather than Ymir connecting her existence to Eren's, she connected it to Mikasa's. After Eren "freed" her from her slave-like mindset, what she needed was closure, and that closure was provided by Mikasa. That's why Eren says that Ymir was waiting for someone, and that someone is Mikasa. That's why she finally disappeared after she showed herself in front of Mikasa.

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Soul_Stack · 2 months ago

Adding to this

Mikasa wasn't ever enslaved by her love. She always expressed her unacceptance of Eren's action which she believed weren't right, or weren't inline with her goals — whether you talk about her always attempting to protect him, dragging him from danger despite Eren not liking it; or expressing her discontent with him mass-killing innocents in Liberio or in the rumbling, and standing against his actions.
She protected and cared for him because she wanted to.

Her finally coming in terms to killing him is not a triumph, but a reaffirmation of her free will — which I believe is part of the reasons Ymir awaits Mikasa all that while.

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GeekYuv · 2 months ago

Was coming to say similar things....

the reason ymir wasn't able kill fritz because it wasn't really the "love" that they had between them which Mikasa reminds Ymir in their last convo.

And the reason Mikasa is able to kill Eren because she do *love* him, she accepts him fully and thus gains the knowledge of what her action will mean in the grander scheme of things.

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Outrageous_Ad4217 · 2 months ago

i think you’re misinterpreting what i said. even if the love was different, ymir did feel love for king fritz and it was VERYYY one sided. she wouldn’t have sacrificed herself for him if that wasn’t the case and even though she WAS a slave she didn’t have an attachment to anything else so what she felt was some form of love.

that is also why after mikasa killed eren, we saw a version of ymir who DIDNT sacrifice herself for king fritz. that was showing a direct parallel between the two pairs

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Arka_ji1729 · 2 months ago

Beautiful explanation. You really gave a nice perspective to look at the story. People often don't take this overall scenario into consideration and end up hating on Mikasa-eren's relationship and the ending itself.

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darmakius · 2 months ago

I disagree with a lot of this.

Ymir always had the desire to be free in the back of her mind, she freed the pigs to live vicariously, and she ran to the lake because it was her only option.

I think the memory manipulation theory makes erens character a lot better, but ruins Ymir’s, and isn’t really based on evidence.

Your analysis of Ymir as solely focused on eren and waiting for him to rescue her seems misled. She wasn’t waiting for him, she was waiting for Mikasa, for someone so absolutely and unconditionally in love with another that they would do anything, and yet when put in a situation where they must choose between their love and the world, they choose the world, they make the right choice. Because Ymir did not. She chose to save king fritz, and ran away from the consequences by choosing not to regenerate. And she regretted it for probably 10s of 1000s of years. Eren says that only Ymir knows why mikasa was so important, but anyone besides him could figure it out. Mikasa had the same devotion as Ymir had, and Ymir wanted to see if it was even possible for her to do the right thing, to see if she herself could have done the right thing as well. This is why we see the alternate flashback of Ymir letting Fritz die after Mikasa kills eren. She could not pass on because she didn’t know whether she could have done better, once she knows she truly made a horrific choice, she can at least move forward with certainty.

Another thing is that Marley did not make eren the man he was, this is very explicit, and backed up by evidence. He was like that from birth. He was 9 years old when he killed 2 people, and felt no guilt about ridding the world of what he considered animals. He could have been born as a tybur into wealth and safety, and still been the same person.

Saving his friends was a secondary motivation. He wanted to cleanse the world of all humans, and return it to a state where exploration and discovery of new lands could exist, so that the remaining people could truly live the “free” life that he imagined for himself. There are a number of problems with this plan, most of which are pretty blatant, but this comment has gotten too long already.

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PumperNikel0 · 2 months ago

First of all, as we uncovered the truth about humanity beyond the walls, we did not know anything, the same as Eren. Did you expect Armin’s book to contain humans in them when the Founder can just wipe people’s memories away? When they will execute anyone for knowing the truth?

Eren did not want to wipe out humanity after being in Liberio. He asked Hange if there was any other way because it was the only future memory he had seen.

It’s like we forget the entire premise is entirely rooted in oppression, not because someone wanted to do something out of spite.

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darmakius · 2 months ago

…I’m not blaming the author of the book, he couldn’t have predicted that someone like eren would read it and come to the conclusions he did. I’m blaming eren for making those conclusions and taking those actions.

Sometime between eren leaving the group and him meeting Falco, he went from “I don’t want to do this I have to change things they don’t deserve this I don’t want this” to “keep moving forward”. Based on the fact that we see him on the frontlines, I assume it was seeing modern war firsthand that did it. Wave after wave of people being sent into machine gun fire, innocents being turned into titans, the disregard for life. Even if he freed people from the walls, even if he solved anti-eldian racism, even if he got rid of titans entirely, it wouldn’t matter, because as Erwin said: “Humanity will continue to fight until the day there is one human or less”

Of course the rumbling didn’t fix that either as we see, and his view change doesn’t really make much sense if you believe him when he says that “freedom” is his real motivation. Maybe he saw the way war and humanity transformed the landscape for the worse? Idk.

The problem with the ending is that the story is not rooted in anything. It’s not rooted in oppression, Fritz did this to himself and his people, it’s not rooted in revenge, eren killed his own mom and dad, and caused the conflict with the founding titan, it’s not rooted in love, eren put mikasa through so much unnecessary suffering, at best it’s rooted in an unconfirmed and vague memory loop that makes it logically impossible for the protagonist to have any meaningful motivation. Maybe the point is that racism really is illogical and meaningless and for have a purpose, but like even then, eren is one of the least racist people in the story, so the moral is misplaced.

Maybe eren did it to save his friends (while traumatizing them all in the process), maybe he did it to see the truly free world (while destroying it and himself in the process), maybe he’s an unfeeling killer who did it for fun (while crying and lamenting throughout), maybe his memories created a self-fulfilling prophecy that lead to the rumbling, maybe Ymir manipulated him and all his supposed motivations were made up, maybe it’s a message about how after conflicts go on for so long, the people fighting were no longer affected by the inciting incident and don’t even know why they’re fighting (the least bad explanation IMO), maybe isayama changed it from ANR at the last minute, maybe he had no idea how to end the story (objectively wrong), maybe it was one of these and eren is just a stupid kid who didn’t know how to reach his goal so ended up screwing it up. I don’t know, but none of them are really satisfying.

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JustinTruedope · 2 months ago

You're right that Eren was born extreme, but he was always an extremist for his own sense of justice. He hated those robbers, he hated the titans, and he learned to hate the world. If the world he discovered past the sea was benevolent and kind, as Mikasa and Armin had been to him, he would not have triggered the rumbling. It's not like he just hated everyone and everything and was in perpetual berserk mode lol.

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MasterTahirLON · 2 months ago

>Another thing is that Marley did not make eren the man he was, this is very explicit, and backed up by evidence. He was like that from birth. He was 9 years old when he killed 2 people, and felt no guilt about ridding the world of what he considered animals. He could have been born as a tybur into wealth and safety, and still been the same person.

I both agree and disagree with this. Eren killing those human traffickers was entirely justified, it didn't show that he was a psychopath or a monster, but rather how extreme his personality is and his willingness to go nuclear. Marley didn't make him that way, but they put him in the corner that forced him to take the nuclear option. As the OP said, an Eren that wasn't oppressed by Marley wouldn't have done the Rumbling, hell he probably never would have been born. Marley's cruelty damned themselves and most of the world with it.

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r/ShingekiNoKyojin • [9]

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I watched the Last Attack and...

Posted by Lumpkinella17 · in r/ShingekiNoKyojin · 6 months ago

I was very scared of finishing AoT, because I was afraid of a bad ending that'll leave me feeling depressed and regretting watching it. I actually left the cinema feeling very good, this movie was amazing and and I was happy with how things ended, even though they didn't actually end well at all, but they ended well in a seanse that it was just a good conclusion for this story, people will never stop fighting eachother and there always will be those who will sacrifice everything hoping it'll make the future better. What makes me feel uneasy tho, is... I can only accept this ending if there's afterlife where Eren will finally reunite with his friends in a place where they can finally free and happy. They've all commited sins, especially Eren, but in this scenario there could be an afterlife where it all doesn't matter anymore, where it's all forgiven, as there is no hate, no wars, just peace. But even as I'm writing this, it just sounds too unrealistic and if it is, does it mean Eren will never experience happiness of freedom and peaceful life, will Mikasa and Armin never meet him again, will Connie never reunite with Sasha... Just the very thoguht of this makes me feel so depressed. I really liked how after Hanji fell, she just woke up surrounded by all the comrades she's lost and that just made me feel so happy, brought me comfort that she's happy now, but was this afterlife or it was all because Erdians were still connected with the path at this point and once it was gone they all just disappeared, losing consciousness and never being able to see eachother again?

I guess I'm typing all this, because this movie just hit right in my greatest fears - perspective of losing the loved ones forever with SI was very scared of finishing AoT, because I was afraid of a bad ending that'll leave me feeling depressed and regretting watching it. I actually left the cinema feeling very good, this movie was amazing and and I was happy with how things ended, even though they didn't actually end well at all, but they ended well in a seanse that it was just a good conclusion for this story, people will never stop fighting eachother and there always will be those who will sacrifice everything hoping it'll make the future better. What makes me feel uneasy tho, is... I can only accept this ending if there's afterlife where Eren will finally reunite with his friends in a place where they can finally free and happy. They've all commited sins, especially Eren, but in this scenario there could be an afterlife where it all doesn't matter anymore, where it's all forgiven, as there is no hate, no wars, just peace. But even as I'm writing this, it just sounds too unrealistic and if it is, does it mean Eren will never experience happiness of freedom and peaceful life, will Mikasa and Armin never meet him again, will Connie never reunite with Sasha... Just the very thoguht of this makes me feel so depressed. I really liked how after Hanji fell, she just woke up surrounded by all the comrades she's lost and that just made me feel so happy, brought me comfort that she's happy now, but was this afterlife or it was all because Erdians were still connected with the path at this point and once it was gone they all just disappeared, losing consciousness and never being able to see eachother again?

I guess I'm typing all this, because this movie hit me right in my greatest fears - losing the loved ones forever with no chance for reuniting with them.

TL;DR I find the Last Attack an amazing movie and I am happy with the ending, but only as long as there is a chance for afterlife where they all can meet eachother again. I can't stand the thought that it could end so tragically and there will be no peace and happiness awaiting them at the end.

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Mrrnnalern · 6 months ago

I feel very similarly - and in my head, without any official confirmation, I’m giving myself the comfort of saying yes they do. It give me solace to think that they’re reunited again in the afterlife, happy and enjoying life without being slaves to the environments they were raised in. so, until the canon says otherwise, that’s what I’ll believe.

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Lumpkinella17 · OP · 6 months ago

That's what I chose to believe in as well and I'm feeling much better now whenever thinking about AoT, thanks to this thought I can still enjoy searching stuff about it and listening to the OST. Memes helped as well LOL

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r/titanfolk • [10]

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The Message of The Ending

Posted by _wvwsfy37 · in r/titanfolk · 2 years ago
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Alto1869 · 2 years ago

When was Ymir even a character to begin with ? She was always a plot device from Day 1. I legit forgot about her a few months after the ending

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xChronica · 2 years ago

She became a character when Eren hugged her and told she was just a human while she cried in his arms. That was the moment that humanized her and showed that she clearly had proper desires as a person besides serve the king. Then the story did absolutely nothing with her until 139 used her as the ultimate plot device

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[deleted] · 2 years ago

Real talk, the most interesting thing about Ymir was speculating about her intentions. Once that was revealed (albeit in a somewhat confusing manner), there really wasn’t much to discuss about.

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[deleted] · 2 years ago

his death was just for Levi’s character development ☠️☠️☠️☠️

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Right-Shopping9589 · 2 years ago

Dude kill Zeke bcos of Erwin but forgot about Levi squad massacre by Annie💀

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Iamcarval · 2 years ago

Fanservice* not even for development because nothing changed about him after that.

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[deleted] · 2 years ago

Not even that. His character arc didn't even benefit from it. It was pure fsnservice.

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Such_Hand_2535 · 2 years ago

It’s amazing how THESE 3 IN PARTICULAR were the main pieces for the AnR theory and how they were carefully and deliberately assassinated beyond comprehension leaving the fandom in shambles. For 10 years at least

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Comfortable_Cream777 · 2 years ago

For real tho 💀 This hurts 😮‍💨.. I'm not gonna forgive the writer for 2000 years at least 💀

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Rupplyy · 2 years ago

the moment zeke blew the thunderspare it didnt kill levis body but the shock removed his brain cells

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VEXEnzo · 2 years ago

Oh look leaf. Imma kill myself now Levi comes flying and cuts his head off

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Mrrandomfam9427 · 2 years ago

No it’s great it fits the themez of the story cycle of hatred you didn’t understand the storyAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I’M ACTUALLY GOING INSANE

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What does the Attack on Titan ending mean

Key Considerations for Understanding the Attack on Titan Ending:

  1. Themes of Freedom and Oppression: The ending emphasizes the struggle for freedom, showcasing the cyclical nature of violence and oppression. It raises questions about whether true freedom can ever be achieved without sacrifice.

  2. Character Arcs: The fates of key characters, especially Eren Yeager, reflect their complex motivations and moral dilemmas. Eren's transformation from a hero to an antagonist highlights the blurred lines between good and evil.

  3. The Cycle of Hatred: The conclusion illustrates how hatred perpetuates conflict. The series suggests that breaking this cycle requires understanding and empathy, rather than revenge.

  4. Legacy and Consequences: The ending also explores the consequences of one's actions and the legacies left behind. It poses questions about how future generations will interpret the past and the choices made by their predecessors.

  5. Ambiguous Resolution: The ending leaves some questions unanswered, allowing for multiple interpretations. This ambiguity invites discussion and reflection on the moral complexities presented throughout the series.

Takeaway: The ending of Attack on Titan serves as a poignant commentary on freedom, the nature of humanity, and the consequences of conflict. It encourages viewers to reflect on the themes of empathy, understanding, and the cyclical nature of violence in society.

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