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another yagyu fan!

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This is sorta lukewarm

‘Lets see how much interaction I can get with this bait post’

Pure defense characters: Asuka, Jack-7

For defensive-focused characters: Alisa, Claudio, Eddy

Balanced characters that lean towards being defensive: Armor King, Bryan, Shaheen

Depends who you ask (i.e. versatile characters that can play defensive or just played aggressive): Kazuya, Jin, Lee, Master Raven, Paul (high-level, low-level Paul is very offense-focused)

If you like keepout you might wanna give Master Raven a try. She has a bit of everything, so you can play her however you want. But she definitely excels at keepout. She got some really nice whiffpunishment too to complement the long range playstyle. (Blockpunishment is alright too but nothing amazing).

(She's not very straight forward to learn though so expect a lot of trial and error before making any real progress).

Lee, Kazuya, Bryan

Bears and jack

Asuka

Somehow Feng is still too high.

Steve looks like an honest spot. “LOVES PLAYING AGAINST FREE ELO” but you never ran into me.

How is eddy so low???

Usually I hate these but yours is accurate

Good list. I’d say it’s pretty accurate

Jinsuke is up there. However it's slashing damage and not piercing damage so people's wearing clothes can resist it.

1. Togo (not even a debate)

2. Choko

3. Jinsuke

4. Honda or Sasaki (Kojiro can be tied for fourth or fifth but his problem is that he goes for weak points)

5. Fuma

6. Musashi

7. Yasuke or Yagyu

8. Hanzo and Toda (both tied )

9. Inshun (doesn't have too much power within his thrusts but it is still a spear )

Kamiizumi and Adams are difficult to ranked

1: Shigekata

2: Choko

3: Honda

4: Fuuma

5: the rest of em i guess

1. Togo
2. Choko
3. Fuma (Miyabi Orochi)
4. Honda
5. Yasuke
6. Jinsuke
7. Kojiro
8. Inshun (2nd Gate)
9. Kamiizumi (3rd Gate)
10. Yagyu // Musashi
11. Hanzo
12. William
13. Seigen

1. Togo

2. Choko

3. Kamiizumi (hard to rank honestly)

4. Fuma

5. Honda

6. Yasuke

7. Musashi

8. Kojiro/Yagyu/Jinsuke

9. Inshun

10. Hanzo

11. Toda

12. Adam

Another interesting tier list would be average startup frames on movelist for each character.

Holy shit hwo. No wonder it feels like you're in a blender when fighting him.

A lot of these are fake cus some characters get +4 into stance but their fastest move in the stance is i14 etc

I think it would interesting to make the same list with move that are “real + on block”(idk how else to call them).

If i take Lidia for example, some of her + ob moves auto transition into her stances and she becomes minus instead.

Interesting list tho.

Not even that since some stances can’t beat dickjab on frames but they can on evasion like jumping attacks but they will beat out common jabs, so it’s hard to measure that, plus usually dikjab beats stances cause the high is usually the fastest option to beat other jabs and duck jabs beats highs while being faster then mids or lows

Sure but at the same time some characters get the same scenario when they're 0 oB but that doesn't count in that table, but that was just an example, some characters are + but can still get punished etc

I mean defence comes down to the player himself tbh. Bc every single character has whiff punishing moves and different CH effects. So it all comes down to u if u r an aggressive or defensive player.

Dunno if he is the best defensive character, but for sure Eddy works a lot in defence in HIS way.

PROS:
- One of the best low punisher (i13, launcher but high) in the game and a terrific backdash that, with d/f+3+4 makes him the best whiff punisher.

- Some good counterhits launcher (or mini launcher for a 50sh two step staple) but slow and very situational.
- He has no magic 4, but his 4 is an i12 middle +0 on hit that pushes a lot back. See it as a defensive d/f+1.
- He has decent space control, with good range moves, like ff3 or f+3+4 from HSP and RLX that crosses half the stage and it's safe. Not the sharpest knife in the stool, but since you will be quite often backdashing and keeping distance a lot, that moves will hit more than their frames let you expect. Most of his range moves are linear, and if opponent start to sidewalk you have homing ff2 that has decent range and a low and delayable extension.
- He has a lot of hi crush moves and weird hitboxes. d/f+3+4 tends to evade highs (more on approaching), as well 3 (homing slow hi) and b+4 (both counter launcher). d/b+4 is hi crush. All of his lows are hi crushing except d/f+4. His stances are evasive as fuck, crushing highs and evading mids, but you have not to be predicatble 'cos it's easy to float staple him during transitions.

CONS:
- On the other hand you have horrible standing punishing (now with b2 i14 the situation is slightly better). Long story short, from -10 to -13 you can just 1,2 (f into mixup).
- Inconsistent sidestep. Mind you, his side roll in RLX is awesome, but slow and vulnerable (not sharing the plain RLX hitbox)... very good when opponent is in mid/far range and tries something from that range.
- Not a good selection of low crushing and weird hitboxes. It's supereasy to go off axis with Eddy.

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When it's your turn, his poking is "meh", his frames are usually "bleah", his d/f+1 is average, but he has an awful lot of mixup set-ups, and two lows + on hit (both hi-crushing). He is a great grappler too, probably the best grapple of "not grappler" char. He has low grabs (damn useful when you read the crouch), rodeo (50 dmg) and HSP 3+4 cannot be escaped.

It is not a "normal" character and needs dedication.

Heihachi because HA HA HA HA

Kazuya.

Jack 7 / Asuka / Kazuya

Todo is the best if anyone tells you anything different there lying

Technically Heian era Sukuna

Me

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Most people would say yuji but mahito is just so much better you can't even put them in the same tier. Even in the hands of a "good" or "perfect" player, pit the best yuji against the best mahito player, mahito would win majority of the times.

Mahito has better m1 trading tools than yuji, higher consistent damage, better and more consistent block breaking options, better tech(s), way way better combos, better cooldowns as well (Comparing combo length to move cooldown ratios), better hp.

Yuji on the other hand, has better movement but that puts you so much in the open to being m1 caught it can become a liability.