Determination is pretty core to Undertale's storytelling and world, just like whoever ends up in cuphead needing to gamble their soul, whoever ends up In Undertale needs determination, or else the story simply doesn't work. It isn't like having Determination doesn't fit any of the characters, they're all protagonists with heaps of Determination in their own game, they simply dont live in a world where them coming back to life due to it is canon. The shit Madeline dealt with on Celeste mountain easily gives her the DT she needs to take over from Flowey.

As for the biggest roadblocks for her, Asgore and Omega Flowey.

Asgore would absolutely kill her on the first try, probably not quickly due to her speed but Asgoee only gets faster as the battle goes on. And we've never gotten to see Asgore when he truly locked in either, so he could easily go harder on Madeline than he did on Frisk. However, after killing her several times im PRETTY SURE Badeline could convince Madeline to fight back, and Badeline would do her magic stuff. Blah blah blah Madeline wins eventually, Asgore falls to his knees and does his monolog, she spares him, then flowey kills him as usual,

Omega flowey literally brings you back to life with his saves over and over again till the Soul's rebel against him and you get Determination back, it's literally just Madeline surviving long enough, and she can easily do that.

I interpreted Determination as one of those basic elements that gets transferred to the new person with this clause;

>and any story elements that are needed for the story to happen (Example: Cuphead gambling away his soul), happens to the person trapped in the new universe

Since no route of Undertale realistically functions without it as written.

Why would Madeline not have Determination? All humans in UT have a soul and from that soul comes Determination. If Madeline didn't have Determination that'd mean she has no soul, and monsters wouldn't care to attack her at all.

Madeline would have Determination and a soul because undertale in general doesn't work without it- Now whether Madeline would survive or not depends on if we use canon Undertale or the fanon Undertale Moro used.

In Canon? Madeline likely wins, though make take her a bit. Monsters are made out of magic, which means they take and deal damage based on intent to harm. That's why Frisk in the genocide route is so powerful, the monsters are made of magic and Frisk has intent to harm them*. Madeline I don't believe would have intent to harm, so she'd try to settle things peacefully. Due to her experience on Mt. Celeste she would be good a dodging, so that'd likely translate a decent amount to dodging bullet patterns (which are also canon btw)**. The only point I see her struggling is against Asgore, but I also feel like she'd be able to talk her way out of it better than Frisk would, but there is a possibility she falls here from not wanting to attack Asgore. She'd probably survive the Omega Flowey fight cuz Flowey keeps bringing you back anyways until the souls rebel, so the only trouble Madeline would be in is against Asgore unless Badelune convinces her to attack.

In Fanon? Madeline blitzes through the underground with no issue. Despite fanon using real time combat and making characters much more powerful than they're meant to be*** none would be able to catch up to Madeline. Even those like Asgore wouldn't be able to do much as she wears him down since Madeline just has that much speed and practice on harder courses and fights that the only one that stands a chance against her in Neutral is Omega Flowey, and she could still just stall until the souls rebel. Essentially she just wouldn't fight like anyone lol

*Librarby [Orange Book] "Because they are made of magic, monsters' bodies are attuned to their SOUL. If a monster doesn't want to fight, its defenses will weaken. And the crueller the intentions of our enemies, the more their attacks will hurt us. Therefore, if a being with a powerful SOUL struck with the desire to kill... Um, let's end the chapter here..."

**Librarby [Blue Book] "While monsters are mostly made of magic, human beings are mostly made of water. Humans, with their physical forms, are far stronger than us. But they will never know the joy of expressing themselves through magic. They'll never get a bullet-pattern birthday card..."

***(Frisk in Indie Cross would've died to THK if they were canon, THK isn't made of magic like monsters are so the knife would've done less than the nail and then THK would've just stabbed Frisk- And also look at things like Sans animations, the entire point of Sans is he's the weakest enemy but manipulates the battle box to be strong, the animations where he's teleporting out of the way of slashes and impaling Frisk with bones and stuff are cool but completely miss the point)

You don't necessarily need to date Papyrus, just hang out with him. Madeline would probably be willing to, though without Determination I'm not certain she would get the True Lab. That normally requires beating Asgore and Omega Flowey, then Resetting. But even if she's not required to Reset, I don't think she'd go back far enough to get Undyne's call after meeting Asgore. She's not particularly avoidant of her problems, especially after the Mountain.

Don't forget that the developers of the game are actually huge contra fans

Don’t forget to throw in a few levels where you have to run to the end while shooting down some enemies 👀

God imagine the potential 👀

Unfortunately that's not happening, at least not in episode 3 because moro confirmed that Frisk won't appear in ep 3

He was so easy

Plot twist, since the sun is also a lamp, it just works

Yeahhh i think that is a more believe response come from that character.

Niko is gender fluid so it goes to your interpretation

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