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Read a thread about enabling XPS last week. I had never heard of that before. Are there any other settings that one should be aware of to get money's worth out of our PCs?
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Dell XPS Performance Tweaks

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  • Use Dell Power Manager to manage thermal settings.
  • Consider undervolting for better thermals, but be cautious.
  • Optimize software and system settings for performance.

Thermal Management

One of the primary concerns with Dell XPS laptops is overheating. A common solution is to use the Dell Power Manager software to set the laptop to "Cool" mode, which can help manage temperatures [4], [5]. However, note that this setting may lock the CPU at lower temperatures, potentially impacting performance [5:1].

Undervolting

Undervolting the CPU can also be an effective way to reduce heat and improve battery life. While some users have found it beneficial, it's important to proceed with caution as it involves BIOS modifications, which carry a risk if not done correctly [2:2]. The process is not overly complex but does require careful attention to avoid errors [2:1].

Software Optimization

Optimizing your software setup can significantly impact performance. Using a Windows debloater tool can remove unnecessary background services and applications, potentially improving system responsiveness [3:1]. Additionally, ensure that your system's refresh rate matches your monitor's capabilities, especially if you're using a high-refresh-rate display [3:8].

Graphics Settings

For those using their XPS for graphics-intensive tasks, managing the GPU settings can help balance performance and battery life. It's recommended to leave the global settings on "Auto-Select" and override specific programs to use the dedicated GPU as needed [1:6]. This approach helps conserve battery when high-performance graphics are not required.

General Maintenance

Regular maintenance such as updating drivers, managing startup applications, and ensuring your system firmware is up-to-date can also contribute to better overall performance [3:9]. Disabling mouse acceleration can improve precision, particularly in gaming scenarios [3:10].

By following these tweaks and optimizations, you can enhance the performance of your Dell XPS while maintaining a balance between power and thermal management.

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Performance Tips - XPS 9500 (2020) - Findings so far

Posted by Amneticcc · in r/Dell · 5 years ago
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Hey All,

I got my XPS on the 29th, and since then I have been trying to find the most "optimal" general use settings for my particular hardware configuration and use cases. I thought I would share what I have found so far, maybe it will prove to be useful to many of you out there also looking for that perfect performance/thermal balance.

Note:

These are my setting based on heavier AC outlet use, there are not necessarily battery friendly settings.

My Specs:

4K Touch Panel

i7-10875H

32GB Ram

1TB SSD

I live in a warm climate, and with laptops Ambient Temp plays a major role in performance. Testing was done indoors with ambient of ~74 F.

My General Use:

I bought this for a few different uses, I do a lot of development as well as a healthy mix of remote work, media consumption (moves and TV streaming mostly), and gaming (both on the laptop directly for light gaming and streaming higher fidelity games from my Desktop via Steam). My recommendations are based off of this.

Power Settings:

So there is quite a mess of settings scattered throughout both Windows OS as well as Dell & NVIDIA software that control specific aspects of the system's performance. I found the following settings to be optimal for me, when plugged in and while using HDR:

  1. Dell Power Manager- Keep thermal management on optimized, Ultra performance results in throttling.
  2. Battery Mode (Windows) - Jury is still kind of out on this one, I am still using "Best Performance" as my default though I found little difference in benchmarks using CinebenchR20 between Better and Best performance in all reality, I need to do more testing on this. Better performance may actually end up being better for extended heavy use as you have a greater chance of throttling with the Best setting.
  3. NVIDIA Control Panel - This setting makes the biggest difference IMO. I did a lot of experimentation, and there are a few different things I would like to mention:
    1. Use NVIDIA Control Panel for GPU overrides.... NOT WINDOWS! I see people recommending using Windows to Override iGPU vs dGPU. You have way more control in NVIDIA over how an application performs using your GPU, Power Management Mode for example.
    2. I HIGHLY recommend keeping your preferred global graphics processor on Auto-Select, and experimenting with application by application performance settings, it will provide you the most control over you system to ensure you are using dGPU only when you really need to, and that you are using the ideal Power Management mode per application.
    3. Speaking of the NVIDIA Control Panel - Power Management Mode, the best global setting I found is actually "Prefer Consistent Performance". I found that this mode provided the most consistent, smooth, jutter free performance out of all of the modes across multiple use cases. Maximum Performance performs worse due to thermals, and Optimal Power (default) provides little improvement in performance when using the dGPU over the iGPU IMO as I still experienced noticeable performance drops, though still performed better than Maximum Performance. I need to do more testing on the Adaptive setting however I find consistency to be key when it comes to performance.

These are just some of my observations, and lead to the best balance of performance, thermals, noise, and temps for me however YMMV.

Hopefully this helps some of you, and if you have other recommendations please share!

**Edited for clarity and expanded on a few statements**

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[deleted] · 5 years ago

Thanks for your shard information! Really helpful.

I wonder if you can disable touch in BIOS. If so, can this operation save battery life?

Looking forward for your reply. Thanks.

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Amneticcc · OP · 5 years ago

No problem! You can disable touch in BIOS, that is a good question I am not sure what type of impact that has on battery life, I tend to use it case by case so I leave it on however it would be interesting to see how much of a difference it would make!

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[deleted] · 5 years ago

Thank you for your reply.

I have another question that does the BIOS support XMP overclocking for memory?

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thesafinster · 5 years ago

So, you recommend leaving the global settings to "Integrated" and then selecting Nvidia for the programs we need the power? How much of a battery improvement should we expect compared to having the global settings at "auto-select"?

I primarily run web-based applications and run graphics demanding programs like gaming and cad., but not as often as web.

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Amneticcc · OP · 5 years ago

Ah sorry for the confusion, no leave the default global to Auto-Select which should be default make most applications used Integrated. If you need to perform an override do it on a case by case basis using Nvidia control panel not Windows.

I saw some people mention they switched their global to GPU which is going to decimate battery life so I thought I would call it out in my post :) hopefully that answers your question.

Updated my main post for clarity on this :)

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thesafinster · 5 years ago

Thanks!

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nexxtgamefinds · 5 years ago

Thanks for this!

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Jauffins · 5 years ago

Thanks for this! Posts like these are so important. ��

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kins82 · 5 years ago

I'm waiting to receive my XPS 15 and I was just wondering about all this. I'm saving your post for until I receive it!

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XPS 15 9500 Potential Tweaks, etc.

Posted by ackermax · in r/Dell · 4 years ago

Hey guys, I bought a XPS 15 9500 as my working computer a month ago and am very happy with it!

So what I wanted to ask if there are any kinds of tweaks anyone would recommend? Here would be a few things:

  • does it make sense to Undervolt the device? I basically had to do it with my old Raze Blade 14 because of throttling. Throttlestop doesn't seem to work and apparently I would've to change the bios or sth. which I dont really think is worth the effort (temps & fans are fine most of the time!). Anyone having some experience on this?

  • so apparently the device has a second NVME slot, would open my device to install an additional hard drive void my warranty? Anything else I' have to think of?

  • any soft- or bloatware that should be deinstalled? I already removed the Waves MaxxAudio thingy because I use this machine for audio production and I really don't need some waves software that does something to the sound.

  • USB C works fine, but sometimes is a little iffy. F.e. it only charges the battery if its plugged in first and the other stuff like external SSD and USB C Hub (I use a CableCreation USB C hub for my standard USB stuff) afterwards. Is that something to be worried about or just some kind of power issue?

Happy to hear some thoughts! :)

Cheers

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SlipperyBanana_ · 4 years ago
  1. Personally I decided to go ahead and undervolt since I use it for gaming, but I can't say it made a huge difference either. Yes you would need to edit the bios. It's not a huge involvement but it's a little risk and an hour or 2 of work.

  2. No it doesn't void waranty, the only think that's inconvienient is that there isn't a metal bracket or screw to hold the second ssd in place.

  3. personally I did a clean windows install so I couldn't say

  4. I personally do not have that problem, I only use the usb/HDMI adapter that comes with the laptop so it might be a driver problem, not sure about that one...

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ackermax · OP · 4 years ago

Heyo Thanks for your answer!

1) So what "risk" are we talking here? Can I do serious harm to my laptop? Since I never really did work on the bios (except updating it once) and you said its not a huge difference, I might just skip it! haha

  1. ok good to know - so does it flap around in the laptop or what? Sounds a little weird! :D But I'll might just take a look into it then :)

  2. Alright, would've been a good idea on my side, doesnt really make sense for me right now. On a sidenote, do you use anything for fan managment? I use the installed Dell Power Manager thingy, which is ok, but the presets see, a little weird (f.e. "Quiet" makes the fans work more than "Ultra-Performance" lol)

  3. ok, might just check the drivers first.

Thanks!

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SlipperyBanana_ · 4 years ago
  1. It's essentially like editing the windows hex keys if you've done that before. It's really just making sure not to misspell or change the wrong keys. I'm not an expert honestly so I'm not sure what the risks are exactly, if you take your time, there's no reason really that it goes badly, but again, it is definitely "possible" to break things.
  2. I took a screw from my old laptop to replace for it, the metal bracket itself is more meant for heat dissipation so it's not necessary. I don't think it would be a good idea to leave it without a screw tho...
  3. For me, Dell power manager does a good job, I left it on the optimized setting and it's silent, what are your temps like just when browsing normally (plugged-in)? I don't think 3rd party apps can do fan management. If it spins like that, it's because your temps are high normally (maybe bad thermal paste job, stuff running in the background)
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Read a thread about enabling XPS last week. I had never heard of that before. Are there any other settings that one should be aware of to get money's worth out of our PCs?

Posted by HelpWithACA · in r/buildapc · 4 years ago

My prebuilt PC already had XPS setting enabled, but that's something I had never heard of and would not have know to check.

Are there any other settings that should be checked to make sure that PCs are running at maximum performance?

Thanks!

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-UserRemoved- · 4 years ago

It's XMP, XPS is a laptop line from Dell

You can always run benchmarks to determine if your PC is performing similar to other's with same hardware.

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HelpWithACA · OP · 4 years ago

duh, I knew it was XMP, not sure what I was thinking.

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-UserRemoved- · 4 years ago

No worries, a quick test you can run is www.userbenchmark.com

Just a note, due to overclocking your components at stock should land somewhere in the 20-40 percentile. This is normal. It's any outlier results that would be of concern.

Also, read the disclaimer that automod is going to reply to this comment.

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[deleted] · 4 years ago

If you use a high refresh monitor make sure it’s set to the right refresh rate. So many people buy a 144hz or higher but keep it on the default 60hz Windows usually sets up.

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HelpWithACA · OP · 4 years ago

and you just do that through Windows or NVDA control panel, right?

also, why mouse acceleration? I think I turned mine up because the cursor was moving too slow.

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[deleted] · 4 years ago

Refresh rate can be set through the windows display settings. And mouse acceleration on will just mess you up if you play any shooter games.

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Photonic_Resonance · 4 years ago

You can have mouse acceleration off but still adjust the sensitivity of the mouse, btw

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[deleted] · 4 years ago

And disable any unnecessary apps from starting up when you boot.

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[deleted] · 4 years ago

Also turn off mouse acceleration if you haven’t already

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chetanddesai · 4 years ago

XMP is great.

As for other tweaks I highly recommend a windows 10 debloater such as https://christitus.com/debloat-windows-10-2020/

Gets rid of tons of background services, updates, and stuff you’d never use.

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Solution: XPS 13 and 15 (93XX) overheating

Posted by HemerrhoidHemorrhage · in r/DellXPS · 2 months ago

tl;dr: XPS actually depends on bloatware to function, download this and set it to Cool mode.

Hello,

I come to you with a solution to the overheating issue plaguing the 2015 and 2016 models, assuming there is actually not a HW problem with your machine. There's been countless of Reddit threads and forum posts throughout the years with no actual solution that probably made you put the laptop in the closet and never bother with it ever again. Well, now you can actually repurpose it or give it to your parents.

Here are some things we have all most likely tried:

Fresh Windows install.
Power management tweaking.
3rd party fan and temp control software.
BIOS tweaks.
Battery replacement.
Cleaning the heatsink.
Repasting the CPU.
Undervolting.

So what's the secret formula? Well, at some point, you probably decided to debloat your computer from all the useless DELL software, right? Or you most likely didn't bother to install it again after a fresh Windows install because why would you. Yeah, well as it turns out, one of them is not actually that useless. Two, actually. Screw you MaxxAudio.

Anyway, I preset to you the Dell Power Manager.

Download, install, set to the Cool mode and that's literally it.

No more loud fans and insane temps when you're just browsing the web and doing the very least you can with a computer.

Obviously by this point, the laptops are very old so I still recommend repasting the CPU and cleaning the heatsink to get the best result, but the Power Manager is the major key.

Disclaimer: XPS veterans probably know about is I assume, thought it's weird nobody ever mentioned it in any of the posts. There might also be other weird things going on with your machine, but I hope this will be the final stop and help majority of all those poor souls unfamiliar with XPS machines and their dependency on DELL bloatware trying the figure out why their laptop is insanely loud and hot.

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iBN3qk · 2 months ago

Power management, drivers, and firmware are not the bloated parts. 

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HemerrhoidHemorrhage · OP · 2 months ago

No other consumer brands need proprietary windows software to function.

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iBN3qk · 2 months ago

You’re free to change it in your bios, but if you want a UI for it, you need an app. 

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DavidG2P · 2 months ago

I believe that the Dell Power Manager is just another user interface for what the Dell App does nowadays. I don't think there's any difference in the actual energy or cooling settings between these two apps.

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Solution: XPS 13 and 15 (93XX and more) overheating and loud fans

Posted by HemerrhoidHemorrhage · in r/Dell · 2 months ago

tl;dr: XPS actually depends on bloatware to function, download this and set it to Cool mode.

Hello,

I come to you with a solution to the overheating issue plaguing the 2015 and 2016 models, assuming there is actually not a HW problem with your machine. There's been countless of Reddit threads and forum posts throughout the years with no actual solution that probably made you put the laptop in the closet and never bother with it ever again. Well, now you can actually repurpose it or give it to your parents.

Here are some things we have all most likely tried:

Fresh Windows install.
Power management tweaking.
3rd party fan and temp control software.
BIOS tweaks.
Battery replacement.
Cleaning the heatsink.
Repasting the CPU.
Undervolting.

So what's the secret formula? Well, at some point, you probably decided to debloat your computer from all the useless DELL software, right? Or you most likely didn't bother to install it again after a fresh Windows install because why would you. Yeah, well as it turns out, one of them is not actually that useless. Two, actually. Screw you MaxxAudio.

Anyway, I preset to you the Dell Power Manager.

Download, install, set to the Cool mode and that's literally it.

No more loud fans and insane temps when you're just browsing the web and doing the very least you can with a computer.

Obviously by this point, the laptops are very old so I still recommend repasting the CPU and cleaning the heatsink to get the best result, but the Power Manager is the major key.

Disclaimer: XPS veterans probably know about is I assume, thought it's weird nobody ever mentioned it in any of the posts. There might also be other weird things going on with your machine, but I hope this will be the final stop and help majority of all those poor souls unfamiliar with XPS machines and their dependency on DELL bloatware trying the figure out why their laptop is insanely loud and hot.

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IkouyDaBolt · 1 month ago

Cool mode actually locks the CPU on my Latitude 7290 and XPS 9360 at 50C with the fan disabled, so it is not really good if you want actual performance.

I just turn off the overclocking on both and they run fine.

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Anyone else having thermal issues with their XPS during heavy use?

Posted by Helpful_Ad_9447 · in r/DellXPS · 1 month ago

I've been noticing that my XPS (specifically the 15-inch model) tends to overheat pretty quickly when I'm running multiple apps or doing anything resource-intensive. The fans kick in loud, and the performance seems to throttle. Anyone else experiencing this? What have you done to manage it better? Are there any software tweaks or cooling solutions that helped you? Would love to hear your thoughts, especially if you've had success with any particular settings or cooling pads. Thanks!

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SynchronousMantle · 1 month ago

I have an XPS 17 and yes that happened to me too. I took it apart and the fans were clogged with gunk. I cleaned it and now it’s much better.

Honestly I’m pretty disappointed in the XPS and wish I never bought it. Should have gotten a Mac instead.

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Francisthe1 · 1 month ago

My OG XPS 9500 used to do that a lot, these things are not well designed to handle heavy tasks. There are three things that I normally do to cool the thing down:

  1. Go to task manager and disable the Wave Audio process, that thing takes up several mb of ram and causes overheat (it takes up more ram than it's own size!)

  2. Lift the rear intake by a small bit. Sometimes I use a book or an eraser, there are certainly more elegant solutions to this but works. The make sure it's inhaling some fresh air.

  3. Open there case up and clean the internals, sometimes the dust accumulate around two fans and the exhaust, just blow them off by high pressure gas or physical means.

Hope this helps!

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WillemV369 · 1 month ago

My m170, m1710, and m1210 models all had heat issues.

The m170 is purring along cool now after replacing the original paste and pads with PTM7950 and 13W/km pads. After thermo cycling the PTM7950 the CPU idle temp dropped from 55C to 40C and the GPU from 60C to 50C.

I dropped the m1710s down from the problematic Go 7900 GS to a Quadro FX1500, which dropped the temps by about 5 degrees. I am planning to give them the same treatment as the m170 for further temperature drops. The PTM7950 also lets temps recover much quicker.

The 7800 GTX in my m1210 had a bad heat sink connection when I bought it. Likely mobo failure beyond what I want to spend time on. Getting a new mobo with integrated graphics for cool running and stability, and will use the same thermal treatment as the others.

Besides the flimsy GPU cooling, these machines are solid builds, especially the m1710.

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Mental_Buddy8728 · 18 days ago

Mine is crashing during heavy usage

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mccainmw · 1 month ago

My 9510 ran pretty hot because it's thin and had a i9 in it. What I've done

-replaced stock paste with MX6. Also replaced the pads. -Used power explorer to reduce max speed by 500Mhz.

Obviously reduces performance a bit but not noticeable in daily use. Temps definitely improved and it rarely goes above 90C now.

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Claw 8 Windows power plan tweak

Posted by onehoon · in r/MSIClaw · 6 months ago

Hi.

I tried tweak window power plan on my claw 8

TDP setting MSI m center 2.0 : manual 30W

Changed 2 things in windows power plan

- Max processor state : 99%

- boost mode : Disabled

with these 2 changed settings

3D mark timespy graphic score result about 4,100 (same result with no tweak)

but cpu score drops to 5,xxx from 7,xxx

game performance

- my diablo4 setting is 60FPS limited and use about 25W, but with tweaks only 20w (same 60FPS)

- KCD2 same result same FPS but low TDP

- CPU temp drops about 10 celsius (80->70)

- every game, 3d mark use only 25W max (no 30W with this tweaks)

- but For CPU bounded game (like MHW), game performance issue (lower fps)

- with tweaks, Max CPU Freq. is limited to 2.2GHz, (GPU is not limited max 1.95GHz)

I am looking for any apps which can switch windows power plan per game.

Thx.

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kurosawabobby · 6 months ago

If you can stomach the 90s interface on Motion Assistant you can set per game profiles and specify what exact CPU frequency cap you want, the TDP and the frame limit for each game. You can also specify what these settings should be for when the Claw is plugged in or on battery.

What you've discovered with the power plan tweak is the disabling of turbo boost on the chip (2.2 is LL without turbo boost enabled). For GPU bound games this is great and will actually bring down your TDP AND give you more FPS. Win win. But for CPU bound games it doesnt work well. Luckily a lot of games are GPU bound so capping CPU frequency and framerates is the way to longer battery life and better performance.

The reason why you dont see the TDP hit 30 when you disable boost is because the GPU has already received the max wattage it can handle. Thats why you see the TDP stuck at 24/5 w when you disable boost. Which really tells us that the 5-6w extra (for worse frames) is used to support the CPU boosting.

In Motion Assistant you dont have to just choose turbo boost on or off (but you can do this as there is a turbo on/off switch in the tool). You can specify the exact CPU frequency on a per game basis. So it's a matter of a lot of testing to see what your game needs from the CPU for maximum performance. But this level of fine control really enables you to get the absolute max out of the performance of the Claw and imo worthwhile, especially for some of the harder to run games.

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onehoon · OP · 6 months ago

thanks great feedback!

i installed motion assistant (latest version) but it wont run (crash quit)

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xtey1 · 6 months ago

https://github.com/Sabrina-Fox/WM2-Help#toolsfor-all-models

Did you get motion assistant from here?

Version 1.1.9.8

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kurosawabobby · 6 months ago

Which version? And does it install and then crash when starting? Or doesnt install at all?

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sodisacks · 5 months ago

How were you able to change these settings? When I check my power options I'm only able to change minimum processor state. The maximum processor state option is not there nor is the boost mode setting.

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onehoon · OP · 5 months ago

you need to chanhe windows registry google will help you.

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sodisacks · 5 months ago

Googled it and looks too complicated for me. Oh well

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Questions regarding Dell XPS 15 9500 (2020) - tweaks and tips welcome

Posted by 123123x · in r/Dell · 5 years ago
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RicoViking9000 · 5 years ago
  1. Yes, this can be done with throttlestop - you can set the max turbo on any number of cores - you can have 4 cores boost to the regular speed and limit 5 or 6 cores to a lower speed if desired, otherwise you can definitely just flat out limit turbo
  2. Yes, this can kinda be done with Throttlestop's SpeedShift, Profiles and Alarm features. SpeedShift is an intel technology that implements more customizable turbo frequencies compared to the default SpeedStep. It's a number value between 0 and 255 - with higher numbers meaning very low clock speeds (less performance, less turbo, better battery and less heat) and lower numbers meaning higher clock speeds (0 would mean it basically always runs at max clock speed unless it classifies itself as idling. more performance means worse battery and higher temperatures.) Throttlestop's profile features allow you to set different 'performance modes' - you can disable turbo, reduce turbo, change speedshift value, and more independently on up to 4 of these. you can set a specified profile for battery, if desired, such as limiting clock speeds for better battery life, and another for AC, and it'll switch automatically when plugged/unplugged. Throttlestop's alarm feature allows it to switch to another profile while the CPU temp is over a certain amount - so for example, it can be set to switch to another profile when the temp his 90, and it'll stay on the new profile until the temp falls below 90. to tie all this together, you can 'artificially' custom throttle the CPU by making two power profiles, one for regular use, and another that throttles the CPU a bit (such as speed shift value of 164) that will be activated when the CPU temp hits 90, if that's your target. I apologize for not being able to put this in separate paragraphs due to the numbering
  3. You can disable 'remain connected to the internet while asleep on battery' from Windows Settings --> System --> Power and sleep. I'm fine with modern standby for now, as it's super responsive, but I know there's a registry hack out there to disable it on Windows 10 1909 and before - I just don't know it by heart
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123123x · OP · 5 years ago

#3: Excellent! That did the trick.

But as to 1 and 2, I thought Throttlestop was disabled on the latest 10th gen intel processors. Does that setting actually do anything?

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-MyExistentialCrisis · 5 years ago

Undervolting is generally disabled on the 10th gen parts, but Throttlestop is able to modify the CPU in more ways than just undervolting which is what the comment above is describing.

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XPS 15 tweak guide

Posted by JellyFishIceCream · in r/Dell · 7 years ago

Hello guys, I’ve collected and tested tweaks from both myself and other users on the internet and decided to share them in 1 big easy to read tweak manual.

I made a previous post with some of the tweaks that i have in here, hope you guys dont mind some of the overlap.

This manual should work for most laptops, even non xps line, although certain settings and methods are exclusive to XPS 15 9550 and up.

OP’s specs: XPS 15 9570; i7 8750H (-164mv on CPU & -100 on iGPU), 16GB ram, 512GB ssd, 1050Ti(+200Mhz base& +100Mhz mem)

#First time checks & Fresh windows install This only applies to people who have just received their unit and haven’t verified whether or not there are any obvious defects. If you’ve already used your laptop and seen no fault or errors you can skip this. The reason behind this is to save time, it would be a shame to have gone through hours of setting up windows and updates just to see that there is a defect.

I highly recommend doing a fresh install of windows, preferably before even booting in to the standard Dell image. If you don't have a spare pc to download the software on you can boot on the dell image for now.

Everything you need to know by Western Gents United : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95ZvXhz_0Ck https://youtu.be/lyK_KyIRUZU?t=16s

#CPU undervolt

What is undervolting? Your CPU needs power to run, but often the amount it draws is set too high by the manufacturer or the OEM, this is because not every CPU will run stable at lower power. So they choose to make it run at a higher voltage to there are fewer unstable CPUs.

Most CPU’s can run at much lower voltage than they get supplied at stock, when you undervolt you offset the amount it gets. So if the CPU requests 0.900v and you offset it by 50mv, the CPU will receive 0.850v.

By undervolting you reduce the amount of watts the CPU uses, this is because: voltage x amp=wattage. This means your CPU will produce less heat at the same clockspeeds, or the same amount of heat at higher clockspeeds. A win in either case!

There are 2 main parts to my undervolt tweak: doing the actual undervolts, creating automated profiles to maximize performance/minimize heat.

The undervolt:

  • Download and install Throttlestop
  • Put the file in ‘’documents’’ or somewhere where you dont delete it by accident.
  • Open it [make sure intel XTU isnt running/no undervolt applied]
  • Toggle ‘’speedshift -EPP’’ on, then click ‘’FIVR’’
  • In the FIVR window toggle ‘’Unlock adjustable voltage’’ on, do this for CPU core, cache and the Intel GPU.
  • You undervolt by dragging the ‘’offset voltage’’ slider left, do this for CPU core & cache [use the same amount for both for now]
  • Start at -100mv, this should be stable for 99% of all CPU’s out there.
  • On the bottom right side click ‘’OK - save voltages immediatly’’ and hit OK.
  • On the bottom row click ‘’Turn on’’ to apply your undervolt
  • Test stability by running stresstests [aida64 etc] and idling on desktop untill you are sure its completely stable
  • Add another -20 mv, or whatever you feel comfortable with.
  • Repeat this untill your laptop becomes unstable [Crashes, shut downs] or if you get errors in the ''TS bench'' on the main window of throttlestop.
  • If it crashes, up the voltage again untill it becomes stable.

For reference

Use the same process on the Intel iGPU, start at -50mv and use increments of 10-20mv.

Now the only problem is that Throttlestop doesn’t start by itself, open the windows program called ‘’task scheduler’’ .

  • Open task scheduler
  • Hit ‘’create task’’
  • In the general tab: name=throttlestop. Toggle ‘’run with highest privileges’’ on.
  • In the trigger tab: hit new and select ‘at log on’’ in the dropdown menu.
  • In the actions tab: hit new and click browse; locate your installation folder and select throttlestop.exe.
  • In the conditions tab: uncheck everything.
  • Hit OK and you’re done!

The automated profiles:

  • Open Throttlestop
  • On the bottom left click ‘’Options’’
  • There are maximum of 4 profiles, you can name them whatever you like.
  • I named mine: AC, Gaming, Battery, Low battery.
  • Toggle the following items: AC profile, Battery profile, Do not reset FID/VID, Battery monitoring, start minimized, minimize on close, nvidia GPU, Alarm.
  • Now fill in the following items: AC profile = 1, Battery profile = 3, alarm: DTS=2 & 4. GPU=57 & 2.
  • Basically make sure it looks like this
  • Hit OK and then open FIVR.
  • In FIVR you will see on the top left 4 profiles, make sure that you reapply your undervolt on profile 2,3,4.
  • Profile 1 [AC]: On ‘’turbo ratio limits’’ up the frequency to 40 on 5+6 cores. 41 on 1 & 2 cores.
  • Profile 2 [Gaming]: Do the same, but lower it this time to 27 on 5+6 cores. 30 on 1-4.
  • Profile 3 [battery] change nothing.
  • Profile 4 [Low bat] Lower it to 22 on all cores. - also serves as overheating profile, since it locks clockspeed to 2.2 GHZ.

Results:

  • AC: better CPU performance, especially useful when im editting stuff, rendering with premiere etc.
  • Gaming: lowered GPU and CPU temps from 76 & 80 degrees to <60 in most, if not all, games. (note this is not a profile to increase performance, but to prevent the CPU from turboing too much and therefore warming up the GPU by proxy. I got 60+ fps on all games i tested with this profile.)
  • Battery: -
  • Low Battery: Serves as overheating profile and when battery is low, should increase batterylife slightly.

Adjust the profiles for you own usage by changing: ‘’Turbo ratio limits’’ - controls clockspeed [40=4GHZ] in FIVR.

Changing DTS & GPU in Options [DTS is how many degrees away from Tjunction you are, which is 100C for most intel cpus; using no. 2 would be 98C].

With DTS & GPU you control at what temperature it will switch to another profile. GPU above 57? Its switches to gaming mode, CPU 98C? Switches to low battery profile.

#GPU undervolt

This was a tricky one, there is no legit way to undervolt it since dell/nvidia locked the voltage controls; however you can achieve basically the same thing by offsetting the frequency. You heard it right, you can undervolt by overclocking.

How it works:

Instead of dropping the voltage at any given frequency we instead raise the frequency at any given voltage. Achieving the same thing. There are 2 programs you can use for this: MSI afterburner or NV inspector. I tried it on both, and it does the same thing. However I prefer the more lightweight NV inspector.

  • Download NV inspector here
  • Save NVinspector to documents, just like we did with Throttlestop.
  • Open NVinspector [Not to be mistaken by NVprofileinspector]
  • On the bottom right click ‘’Show overclocking’’ and hit yes on the warning.
  • In the dropdown menu make sure you are on ‘’performance level [3] - (p 0 )’’
  • You undervolt/overclock it by dragging the ‘’Base clock offset’’ to the right.
  • Note that we’re changing things in Mhz now, not voltage, so we looking at higher numbers.
  • I’d suggest starting at +150mhz and working your way up in increments of 20.
  • Same thing goes for ‘’memory clock offset’’, but start at +50mhz.
  • To save your overclock/undervolt, hit ‘’apply clocks & voltage’’
  • Stresstest to make sure its stable
  • Hit ‘’create clocks shortcut’’ so it gets applied at log in just like throttlestop.
  • Right click ‘’create clocks shortcut’’ to update or delete it.

Note that the temperature slider [default 78] does not save when you change it, i suggest leaving it at default. for reference

-edit after running some quick aida64 tests the difference is as follow:

No undervolt/overclock: 77C @1650mhz

+200mhz: 77c @1780mhz

Aida64 couldnt show me voltage since it monitored the iGPU, bu checking nvinspector showed it uses similar voltages therefor confirming the undervolt.

fan speeds identical on both.

#Other

I contacted dell to replace my wifi chip, which they did for free. I suggest everyone to do this since the Killer wifi chip is far below what should be in a premium laptop like the XPS line.

Download the latest drivers and updates for all your programs, download GPU drivers from nvidia and intel. For the rest you can use Dell.com.

Tweak your nvidia control panel to your ideal settings [there are a billion guides online] and make sure that in ‘’manage 3D settings’’ - ‘’program settings’’ you verify that for apps that don’t require Nvidia GPU you switch it to integrated, do this only if it wrongly chooses Nvidia. If integrated is already set as default, leave as is.

-edit

Since im getting a lot of the same questions:

  • What wifi card did you get as a replacement?

Dell replaced it with a intel 8265

  • Does this work for x or y laptop/model

The basic steps are the same, just bear in mind the profile description is based on a 6 core CPU so ignore whatever i said for core 5&6 if you have a 4 core (7700HQ, 7300, 8300 etc).

  • Will these tweaks increase wear/are dangerous?

No its completely safe, and it will reduce wear if anything. Just use common sense and dont put -300mv because your system will just crash.

And if it crashes because of a too high of a undervolt it should not automatically apply it on next start up, if it does; start windows in safe mode. Alternatively you could skip the auto start up steps for both GPU and CPU untill you've tested the maximum stable undervolt, but I dont recommend this.

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winosaurusrex · 7 years ago

Thanks, this is great! I only managed -125mV on the CPU but I got lucky and everything worked great out of the box; even the killer wifi has been giving great speeds.

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Xilikon · 7 years ago

I contacted Dell since my XPS 9570 order is recently confirmed to ask for a change of the wifi card with a Intel one. They told me they cannot change the order when it's in the system but managed to get a credit on the order price, which I can spend buying the Intel 9260 wifi card.

Thank you for writing this, it will be useful for me when I will receive the laptop.

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JellyFishIceCream · OP · 7 years ago

No problem! I was on the phone today with dell, they wanted to know if the repair went well. The rep also said this is a really common issue and they pretty much always immediately swap it for a intel one without any troubleshooting on the killer one.

Seems like they are aware the killer wifi is pure dogsh*t but probably count on a lot of people not caring or knowing enough to do something about it.

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rodeopenguin · 7 years ago

I wonder why they would put a killer in the xps if they are aware of the issues in older models.

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Ralvex · 7 years ago

Hey! Thanks for the guide hehe. Planning to get the Dell XPS 15. Do I have to receive the unit first before asking them to change the wifi card? Or can I just ask them when I order to change it for free? I havent done much online shopping so I'm clueless about this huhu. Thanks again!

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pbcasita · 7 years ago

Did you have to send your 9570 back to Dell for to change wifi card? Mine has dropped wifi three times already. Thanks for the tips.

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DellCares · 7 years ago

Hi, Just checking to see if you are still facing wireless connectivity issues with your Dell system. If yes, please send a private message with system Service Tag to review the system details and assist further. ^KK

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NycAlex · 7 years ago

another alternative to nvinspector:

msi afterburner: press CTRL-F to access voltage curve, set desired clock frequency based on how much voltage you want.

also, screw the killer wifi. replaced mine with intel 9260, best damn $30 i ever spent in a laptop.

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JellyFishIceCream · OP · 7 years ago

Forgot to add this, thanks for sharing!

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Baked_Potato22 · 7 years ago

Did you have to provide the wi fi card or did dell?

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IdRatherCapybara · 7 years ago

I love you.

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agree-with-you · 7 years ago

I love you both

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Processor power limits and laptop battery life

Posted by additional_trouble · in r/hardware · 7 months ago

Plenty of claims can be seen in online forums that changing power limits of processors improves battery life in laptops. But I couldn't find much in the way of evidence that goes beyond individual anecdotes.

It's easy to see this being possibly true for heavy workloads like games, where an additional 5 fps may not drastically improve usability, but will result in increased power consumption.

But does that hold true for less heavy workloads - say web-browsing, video playback, general office apps (slack/teams, mail) etc?

Are there any reviews that show that reducing power limits (like PL1, PL2 for Intel chips and analogs in AMD) actually help improve battery life (runtime) of laptops for a given workload?

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definite_mayb · 7 months ago

Just browsing the web, my laptop will have a much longer battery life if I'm in the eco mode vs high performance mode

Maybe an extra hour or so?

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Able-Reference754 · 7 months ago

https://www.anandtech.com/show/17276/amd-ryzen-9-6900hs-rembrandt-benchmark-zen3-plus-scaling/4

The perf per watt curve in this article is pretty typical for cpus and gpus. This means that a higher power limit cpu will boost more (and consume more power) and have a slightly shorter time to idle, but the power used to reach idle is higher than a cpu with a more optimized power limit.

In a theoretical situation where your CPU never clocks higher than a lower power CPU for whatever reason you may find their battery life to be similar, but that will just depend on the actual CPUs compared and their boosting behavior.

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additional_trouble · OP · 7 months ago

Thanks! Wish there were some datapoitns illustrating this specific test/idea...

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AccomplishedLeek1329 · 7 months ago

I reduce minimum processor state from 5% to 0%. Reduces discharge rate by about 3000mw? Needed to do a regedit to enable the option in win10

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Vollgaser · 7 months ago

Just changing the limit has no effect on normal usage as you are basically never reaching that level of power draw. Only when your processor actually hits these limits will reducing power limits have any effect and that is not the case on web browsing or office tasks. Energy saving modes usually change the behaviour of the cpu on things like frequency scaling p-states and other things including lowering power limits. But just lowering the limit will only have an effect on battery life when your processor actually hits the limit.

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additional_trouble · OP · 7 months ago

Yeah, that's my understanding too. Was just hoping that someone had a better study somewhere with datapoints that I could read...

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Dell XPS performance tweaks

Here are some key performance tweaks for your Dell XPS:

  1. Update Drivers and BIOS:

    • Ensure that all drivers, especially graphics and chipset drivers, are up to date. Check Dell’s support website for the latest BIOS updates.
  2. Adjust Power Settings:

    • Go to Control Panel > Power Options and select "High Performance" to maximize performance. You can also customize settings for balanced performance.
  3. Disable Startup Programs:

    • Open Task Manager (Ctrl + Shift + Esc), go to the Startup tab, and disable unnecessary programs that slow down boot time.
  4. Optimize Storage:

    • Use Disk Cleanup to remove temporary files and unnecessary system files. Consider upgrading to an SSD if you haven't already for faster load times.
  5. Increase RAM:

    • If your model allows it, upgrading RAM can significantly improve multitasking and overall performance, especially for demanding applications.
  6. Adjust Visual Effects:

    • Right-click on "This PC," select Properties > Advanced system settings > Performance Settings, and choose "Adjust for best performance" to disable unnecessary visual effects.
  7. Use SSD for OS and Applications:

    • If your XPS has an SSD, ensure your operating system and frequently used applications are installed on it for faster access.
  8. Regular Maintenance:

    • Regularly run antivirus scans and keep your system free of malware. Use tools like CCleaner to manage system junk.

Recommendation: Implementing these tweaks can lead to noticeable improvements in your Dell XPS's performance, especially if you're using it for resource-intensive tasks like gaming or video editing. Always back up your data before making significant changes, especially when updating drivers or BIOS.

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