Overview of Thermal Performance Concerns
The Dell XPS series, particularly the XPS 15, has been noted for its thermal performance issues. Users have reported that these laptops can run hot under heavy workloads, which may lead to throttling and reduced performance over time. This is a common concern for high-performance laptops where powerful components are packed into slim designs.
Comparisons with Other Devices
In discussions comparing the Dell XPS with other devices like the MacBook Air, users often highlight battery life and thermal management as key differentiators. The MacBook Air, especially with the M1 chip, is praised for its efficient thermal performance and longer battery life compared to the XPS series [5:3],
[5:5]. However, for those who prefer Linux, the XPS remains a popular choice due to its compatibility with various distributions, despite its thermal challenges
[5:1].
Potential Solutions and Alternatives
For users experiencing thermal issues with their Dell XPS, some potential solutions include using cooling pads, adjusting power settings to reduce heat output, or even undervolting the CPU to decrease temperatures. Additionally, considering alternatives like ThinkPads could be beneficial for Linux users seeking better thermal performance and driver support [5:7],
[5:10].
User Experiences and Recommendations
Users have shared mixed experiences regarding the thermal performance of the Dell XPS. While some appreciate its design and functionality, others have opted for alternatives due to persistent thermal issues. The decision often comes down to personal preference, specific use cases, and the importance placed on factors such as battery life and operating system compatibility [5:6],
[5:8].
In conclusion, while the Dell XPS series offers powerful performance in a sleek design, potential buyers should consider the thermal performance issues and weigh them against their specific needs and preferences. Exploring alternative options or implementing cooling solutions might be necessary for those prioritizing thermal efficiency.
These comments feel a little spicy for a fringe backup's retirement announcement, did he kick a dog or something and I missed it?
All my Ottawa homies hate Aaron Dell.
And a fuck Messier to you too.
What’d he do?
He purposefully tripped up Batherson causing him to miss over 2 months due to a high ankle sprain (though it took him longer to fully be 100%), it was during a season where he made the all-star team but couldn't play in the game because of the injury
He clotheslined Drake Batherson behind the net, causing Batherson to miss several weeks with an ankle injury.
Yep, couldn't be happier he's not playing anymore lol
Caliss man lol
Be gone like Mark stones spleen.
Fuck Aaron dell, pretty sure he was liking jokes about ruining bathersons year too
Fuck Aaron Dell.
His best years were in teal, but you could tell last season he was cooked. It's for the best.
We need better optimization on every platform that’s for sure.
This game developers made the same mistake as last year.
Honestly 45 fps is fine everyone acting like it's all that matters. The game is slow u don't even notice it
I've had zero technical issues on ps5
I’m playing it right now on PS5, and the framerate isn’t stable.
45fps is fine as long as it’s stable.
Maybe they worked with 60fps in mind for the game but added extra features so the X and ps5 have 30fps there
Why no 30fps for series s ?
Because it doesn't have the hardware to run proper graphics at 30.
The 60 fps performance mode is probably 540p upscaled by the looks of it lol
What? The game is 30 fps only on the series S. Not 60 Im playing it rn.
Wrong
I am really curious how gta will look like on the s, considering every game releasing now runs like shit and rockstar is known for great opt and pushing console limits
None of the games releasing now (esp with unreal 5) are any decent measurements of the capabilities of hardware currently, inclusing console and pc
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I don't know if we'll be able to solve anything, but it might be worth a try. Also, I'm stuck at work and unable to join the fight to eradicate the enemies of freedom for the next several hours, so I will try to do my part in other ways.
The fact that many are experiencing performance issues while others are not makes me think that this is less an optimization issue, but more specific issues. (Not saying there isn't room for improvement with optimization, so don't come at me about it.)
I guess the first things to try are running a scan of your local files, in Steam, and removing your graphics drivers, preferably with DDU, and reinstalling. These steps should go a long way to eliminating any potential software / driver issues.
As for my hardware, it's decent, but nothing super high end. I play at 1440p and generally see 60-75 fps on the new bug worlds, which isn't stellar, but perfectly playable for me. Sometimes with the gloomburst bugs on Hellmire, I would see super brief dips into the high 50s when the bugs would poof upon death, but it was super quick and I only noticed because I was specifically looking.
Intel i7 12000k AMD Radeon rx 7800xt 32GB RAM ddr4 Intel b660 chipset
Helldivers is installed on a separate drive from the OS. My system is air-cool with a generic single tower CPU cooler, and housed in a mid-tower with good air flow. Heat does not appear to be a limiting factor for me. I need to do a better analysis of CPU vs GPU load during missions, but I can say that I'm CPU bound on the super destroyer. Lowering my graphics settings does almost nothing to my frame rate there.
If you want to join in, list your system details and whether or not you are having performance issues. Maybe we can find a pattern. If there is anything else anyone thinks we should be capturing, list it here and I can edit it in.
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Okay first of all what difficulty you play On? Because I've once seen this exact same post of some Helpful Hector with medium PC specs telling the game runs fine for him and that everyone needs to fix their PC and then it turns out he plays at diff 5.
I bounce between 8 - 10, depending on mood. I'm not telling anyone that they need to fix their PC. I'm just looking for patterns that may lead to a cause. There's definitely stuff wrong with the game. That it's not hitting everyone the same is the interesting part.
I am also very curious about why there is such a wide range of performance. The latest update (and running a game file verification in Steam just in case) even improved my performance in some areas, like eliminating stutters during mission start loading screens. A friend of mine reports that the update dropped them from 50-70fps to 30-50fps on medium settings in 3440x1440 with (edit: not DLSS) either balanced or quality render scaling on a R5 5600X / RTX 3070 rig. My hardware is better but theoretically nowhere near 4-6x better, which leaves two main differences: Nvidia vs AMD GPU, and Windows vs Linux.
Zero performance issues on D10, rock solid 95-105fps at 3440x1440, native render scaling, maximum settings.
AMD R7 9800X3D, AMD RX 9070XT, 64GB DDR5 RAM, SSD, AMD B850M motherboard chipset, Bazzite Linux.
Today I learned that HD2 runs on Linux. Thanks!
Nearly all games do these days :)
Many games still have some rough edges, but the only thing which fully prevents a game from running is when the developer specifically chooses to dedicate extra effort to blocking Linux in their anti-cheat.
It is still the case that only a few games have native Linux versions (such as Factorio) but WINE and Proton (a translation layer and Valve's version which they upstreamed a lot of into the parent project) are at a point where most Windows games run on Linux with around the same performance (give or take 5% depending on the hardware and game), and some of them run better on Linux because of things like reduced overhead and better handling of system calls in games made for older Windows versions.
Outside the crashes, the only performance bugs I get is the nuked audio when entering a cave.
Specs: Intel 5820k, 64 gigs ddr4 ram, 3070ti, game on separate SSD to the OS, Windows 10, play at 1440p.
I play on difficulty 7+. The only time I had stuttering in game and not a loading screen was when someone got 80+ kills with a single eagle airstrike, 2 people crashed out of the game from that one strike, I didn't crash.
I have not validated my Steam files yet.
I've had a Dell XPS 15 (9520) for several years now. It's been fine, although the battery life isn't great and the touchpad "gets floaty" a few times a day.
I'm considering upgrading to a MacBook Air 15. Only problem is, I really like running Linux -- specifically, a tiling WM like Hyprland or Cosmic. I used an MBP 14 for my summer internship and didn't like it as much as I expected.
Hence, I have two main options: keep my current laptop, or buy an M2 MBA 15 and install Asahi on it. Any thoughts on which will be best? I'm interested in performance and battery life.
>I'm interested in performance and battery life.
Then MacOS.
But if it comes down to Dell w/ Asahi vs. MBA w/ Asahi -- is Asahi optimized enough to offer a performance and/or battery life improvement over what we have now?
>But if it comes down to Dell w/ Asahi...
There is no Asahi for Dell. The end of story.
No. Asahi cannot sleep well on macos. It'll be dead every time you open the lid.
If you must use Linux then I'd get a thinkpad. T14 is basically the ideal linux machine.
For what it's worth I use a thinkpad and a 14" MBP. The MBP ideal for battery life/display/speakers AKA media consumption. The thinkpads have no driver issues and are solid (XPS fucking sucks with their weird driver and BIOS issues) but not ideal for battery or displays.
tl;dr think about your use case. Asahi is not great as a daily driver.
MBA M1 user here, the battery is not as good as on MacOS, but very close, I can easily get 10+ hours on medium workload (browser + tmux with some web projects). The performance is what really matter here. Im a data science major, and doing training on Asahi linux is just not great. my mini PC with intel N100 beat my MBA ass (with CPU) when training neural network. But other than that, Asahi is great, I have daily drive it for 5 months, and other than the issue with machine learning (which is due to the fact that I cant use the GPU), I dont really have any issue that is big enough to talk about
There’s no other answer if you care about this. Mac is at least better than windows for daily driving/light use imo.
Similar situation, I opted for the macbook over xps because of the macbooks better battery life and generally smooth performance.
Specifics:
I bought a 9500 to replace linux on a 13" intel mac. 6 months later, by chance, I wound up with an 13" M1. I had zero intention to sell my xps, just was curious to try asahi. Not long after, I found myself preferring to use asahi mbp and decided to sell the xps.
You can use aerospace on macos
I've tried Aerospace but don't like it nearly as much as Hyprland or Cosmic. It's also quite a bit more buggy :/
ThinkPad?
Linux support with great battery life
Asahi is really an amazing effort, but in the end, I went with XPS. If you buy the latest generation, you'll also get a nice battery performance.
this is what all developers should be doing. It's kind of what tim sweeney was getting at with his unreal 5 dev comments from yesterday. Target low specs and compatibility first and then include features to enhance the experience for those who have top tier systems or setups. It seems like this is game dev/software dev 101 but, the MBAs have taken the wheel when it comes to all decision making it seems.
Nice that we may finally be seeing a shift in this thinking and I hope BF6 is hugely successful and can point to this as a reason why.
Tim was also just saying that to excuse games that perform poorly. Sure, they're working on it, but there are objective downsides to the Unreal Engine
well, yea.
Thank f****** You. Always prioritize performance first, especially so in FPS games.
Especially in MP focused games…. Like I don’t need highly detailed RTX when I’m busy dodging sniper glares and getting one shot by shotguns
And just like that, I'm now MUCH more likely to buy BF6.
What a world we live in that the Frostbite guys (of all people) are now championing gameplay over graphics.
Great idea, the game will still look great if the beta is anything to go off of
Insanely counterproductive to make games unplayable on lower end systems.
So many great games never hit their full potential due to terrible optimization.
Glad to see dice understands this issue...
Ray tracing doesn't really have anything to do with optimization. It's just a option to turn on and if you have the RT cores it doesn't even impact regular GPU performance.
The issue is it's simply extra work which costs money. So in essence EA simply wants to save money and sells it as optimization to sell more copies.
Mapping with multiple players became almost impossible. With high-end computers it took about 3-5 minutes to load the map. In combat both computers are crashed. Having extreme lag and fps drops made the game almost unplayable.
Not multi-player related but changing my audio channel count from high to medium helped me a ton, I'd give that a try. Could be multiple player's audio gets crazy.
Path of exile isn't meant to be played with friends. It's been this way for a long time. Until they allow us to really tone down the graphics or other players mtx's it's much better to play solo unfortunately
You are high or something?
No are you? Every league mechanic in Poe1 only allowed you to have fun only solo and you couldn't turn off MTX. Same with Poe2.. Downvote me all you want but its true when the game won't allow you to turn off others MTX.
Heat was down for most people yesterday, but surprisingly I was unaffected. It's been a rough month for vSee. It's like clockwork - 3-4 months of minimal issues and then a month of freezes, buffering, low resolution and of course "maintenance". You can count on it. I'll take it though, but when I was a newbie and it went from glass to trash, I thought it was the new norm.
Looks like it's working again!
Gotcha thanks!
There also was an update I saw that happened to the heat app yesterday.
[Local pickup only] SW Florida, Port Charlotte area
Looking to sell my homelab as a bundle if possible. Everything is in working order and currently set up as a proxmox cluster.
Price: $6k - Able to wheel it right out the door.
Proof:
https://imgur.com/a/6hLb3LM
Enclosure
StarTech 12U 19in rack
1x Dell r640
2x Intel Xeon Gold 20 core 6138 CPU @ 2.00GHz
4x 32GB DDR4 2666MHz (128GB Total)
1x x540-t2 10gb PCI-e NIC
2x Supermicro AOC-SLG3-2M2 PCIe
4x Crucial P3 1TB PCIe M.2 2280 SSD
1x PERC H730 Mini RAID controller
3x 900GB 10K 6GB/s SAS HDD
1x 120GB 6GB/s SATA SSD
2x 750W PSU
iDrac 9 license Enterprise
3x Dell r630
2x Intel Xeon CPU 18 core E5-2697 v4 @ 2.30GHz
2x 64GB DDR4 2400MHz (128GB Total)
1x x540-t2 10gb PCI-e NIC
2x Supermicro AOC-SLG3-2M2 PCIe
2x KingSpec NX Series 1TB Gen3x4 NVMe M.2
2x ORICO NVMe SSD 1TB M.2
4x 900GB 10K 6GB/s SAS HDD
1x 120GB 6GB/s SATA SSD
2x 1100W PSU
iDrac 8 license Enterprise
Dell r720
2x Intel Xeon CPU 8 core E5-2670 u/2.6GHz
24x 8GB DDR3 ECC 1333 MHz (192GB Total)
8x 2TB 6GB/s SAS HDD (16TB Total)
1x PERCH710P Mini RAID controller
2x 750W PSU
iDrac 7 license Enterprise
Battery Backup
CyberPower CP1500PFCRM2U PFC Sinewave UPS Battery Backup and Surge Protector, 1500VA/1000W
Switches
1x CISCO Business CBS350-24MGP-4X Managed Switch | 4 Port 2.5GE | 20 Port GE | PoE | 2x10G Combo | 2x10G SFP+
1x TRENDnet 8-Port 10G Switch, 8 x 10G RJ-45 Ports
Firewall
1x PA-450 Lab unit 8 Port 1GB
Might want to mention zip code. FL is pretty big!
Thank you for the catch! Added.
How much power is this running if left running 24/7? Do you need 220v receptacle?
Im not sure the actual draw but I am running it off a standard 110 plug with no issues.
As an Indiana lad, I genuinely yearn for that 640 lol
6k for the entire setup is wildly expensive. Indianapolis here as well. Reach out to u/KooperGuy as he may still have some 14th gen configured exactly as you want (or multiples). Including full NVMe configured units, 740XDs, etc. He will ship to Indy as well.
He's a good guy, knowledgeable and won't overcharge you. Haven't spoken with him in a few weeks so no clue what he has, but he would be the first person i reach out to for anything Dell or refer people too, even still.
Anyone else having a rougher time with the community lately? I don't know what it is but it seems like teammates are more toxic - had multiple instances today of people team killing, kicking me, stealing my support weapons/packs - like wtf happened to the playerbase? I used to play a lot more and never had any issues without people being this toxic
Also performance has taken a major nosedive, getting tons of audio and freezing errors that weren't present before.
Playerbase has been probably at its best its ever been really, bunch of people solely helping boxdivers. Probably bad luck, but performance has definitely gotten so much worse, apparently AH's starting to slighty focus more on optimizing.
yeah prob just bad luck, tried another game just now and had great team mates - I guess more people playing = more chance of some being bad apples
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Dell XPS thermal performance issues
Key Considerations for Dell XPS Thermal Performance Issues:
Design and Build: The Dell XPS series is known for its sleek design, but this can sometimes lead to thermal throttling due to limited airflow. The thin chassis may not dissipate heat as effectively as bulkier laptops.
Thermal Paste and Cooling System: Over time, thermal paste can dry out, leading to poor heat transfer. Regular maintenance, including reapplying thermal paste, can help improve thermal performance.
Fan Noise and Speed: Users often report that the fans can become quite loud under load. Monitoring fan speeds and ensuring that the cooling system is functioning properly is crucial.
Usage Patterns: Intensive tasks like gaming or video editing can cause the CPU and GPU to heat up significantly. It's important to monitor temperatures during heavy usage to avoid thermal throttling.
Software and Drivers: Ensure that your BIOS and drivers are up to date. Dell often releases updates that can improve thermal management and overall performance.
Recommendations:
Cooling Pads: Consider using a laptop cooling pad to enhance airflow and reduce temperatures during intensive tasks.
Power Settings: Adjust your power settings to optimize performance vs. battery life. Using a balanced or power saver mode can help reduce heat generation.
Regular Maintenance: Clean the vents and fans regularly to prevent dust buildup, which can impede airflow and cooling efficiency.
Monitor Temperatures: Use software tools like HWMonitor or Core Temp to keep an eye on CPU and GPU temperatures, ensuring they stay within safe limits (generally below 85°C under load).
By addressing these factors, you can help mitigate thermal performance issues with your Dell XPS laptop.
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