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How Does Mark Grayson Get His Powers in Invincible

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How Mark Grayson Gets His Powers in "Invincible"

TL;DR Mark Grayson, also known as Invincible, inherits his powers from his Viltrumite father, Omni-Man. His powers manifest during puberty, which is typical for half-Viltrumites due to their mixed heritage.

Viltrumite Heritage

Mark Grayson's powers are derived from his Viltrumite heritage. Viltrumites are a powerful alien race with abilities such as superhuman strength, durability, speed, flight, and enhanced healing [4]. Unlike full-blooded Viltrumites who may have powers from birth, Mark's powers manifested during his teenage years, aligning with human puberty [1:1][1:2]. This delay is attributed to his mixed human-Viltrumite genetics, making him a late bloomer compared to pure Viltrumites [1:8].

Activation of Powers

The activation of Mark's powers seems to be linked to both physiological changes and psychological triggers. Some discussions suggest that stressful or dangerous situations might catalyze the manifestation of his abilities, akin to a reflexive defense mechanism [1:5][1:7]. For example, Mark's first attempt at flying was described as feeling like a reflex [1:5]. However, the exact moment his powers appear is ultimately determined by narrative choice rather than specific scientific reasoning [1:6].

Growth and Development

Throughout the series, Mark undergoes significant growth in terms of power and skill set. Initially, his strength appears inconsistent due to his inexperience and tendency to hold back [2:1][2:2]. As he trains and embraces his Viltrumite side, his abilities become more refined and potent [5:3][5:4]. By later seasons, Mark becomes significantly stronger, capable of defeating formidable opponents that previously challenged him [5:6][5:9]. This progression mirrors the journey of becoming a hero while grappling with the complexities of his dual heritage [5:1].

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Why Mark's powers showed up when they did

Posted by Creme_Of_The_Meme · in r/Invincible · 2 years ago
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Spoilers incase no you haven't finished season 1. I decided to rewatch the show and made an observation. Mark only got his powers after getting punched by Todd for sticking up for Amber. This made me think about what we know about Viltrumites and their culture of violence and what if their powers manifest as some kind of defense for living in that environment. We don't know Mark's whole life story but it would seem like his house had a lot of love and neither parent hit him out of violence. Idk about you guys but I'm in my 20s and have never been punched in the face before so I think it's fair to assume Mark never has before then. Just a thought, interested if anyone has thoughts or made the same observation.

TLDR Mark getting his powers after being punched at school caused his powers to show up

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Creme_Of_The_Meme · OP · 2 years ago

I agree, but why was he so late? Is he just exceptionally unlucky?

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MaditheTurtleGod · 1 year ago

Ik I’m late asf to seeing this post lol but u gotta remember Omni man is full viltrumite and Mark isn’t. Mark is still half human because of his mom, so Omni man and other full viltrumites probably had powers since birth

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[deleted] · 2 years ago

Because Kirkman wanted it to be that way lol nothing else

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[deleted] · 2 years ago

Could be because his mother was human. Unlike the others he has a Vilturmite dad and a human mother meaning he would be a late bloomer.

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locnessmnstr · 2 years ago

Being human, he didn't get his powers until he hit human puberty. Just like >!in the comics when Oliver and the other bug viltrumites get their powers in a couple days because their lifespan is much shorter!<

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AleksasKoval · 2 years ago

Huh, there's some sense to that. There was also the scene where he tries to fly for the first time and says "It's like a reflex".

Assuming that Viltrumite powers are natural defense mechanisms, to activate them requires the specific "danger" for the body to respond:

Punched in the face? Super strength and durability.

Falling? Flying.

Going to space? Being able to hold breath longer.

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TheSuperOkayLoleris · 7 months ago

that makes no sense. that's like saying to be able to develop walking or running a kid has to be chased by something like no lol. They're natural abilities from the super atoms in mark's dna. Like omni man says, it's like tensing muscles and such.

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CheesedCroissant · 2 years ago

That’s the real reason Nolan wanted mark to have a job,so that he could get his powers faster

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Boondobbler · 2 years ago

I like it! Considering that Viltrimites get stronger, and faster, the more they use their powers. Also aligns with the way Eve unlocks an aspect of her powers that she couldn't have without extreme stress. I find stories more compelling when powers have a psychological component evolved, not just physical. Like Spider-Man 2.

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HowDzRDTwork · 2 years ago

I like it because that means the severe ass whooping his dad have him made him that much stronger.

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lolmatechicken · 2 years ago

Actually I think it did. When viltrumites get close to death, but don't die, they actually come back stronger.(Someone factcheck me on that though, I'm not entirely sure)

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CannolisRUs · 2 years ago

Lol Todd punching Mark just reminded me of the scene later on where Mark screams at Omniman to hit him again because he can take it and Omniman just looks at him like y i k e s

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Is it just me or is Mark Grayson's strength wildly inconsistent?

Posted by [deleted] · in r/Invincible · 4 years ago

This is not a rant and it's not reducing my enjoyment of the series (IT'S FREAKING GOOD) but like the title says I'd like someone to open my eyes on the matter.

  1. Ep 1- Throws a baseball across the globe I think casually. Same episode he struggles against the rock guy(Titan)
  2. Ep 2- Gets a rage boost after seeing Eve almost die, yet can't kill the alien boss
  3. Ep. 5- Stops and throws an asteroid back to space. Rage boost doesn't do shit against the thugs he faces.

I get some things are done for plot reasons, but can someone tell me an estimate of his base strength and whether his powers will keep fluctuating as the show goes on?

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Xerneous12_ · 4 years ago

I think his strength is consistent since he's fighting other superpowered individuals.

This also isn't your typical show/comic where they power up when they get angry. The 'greater power' that's shown when Mark rages is just him being more aggressive and fighting harder. It doesn't lead to harder hits, just better ones.

Mark also holds back his full strength sometimes since he's cautious about severely injuring or killing people. He's also basically a baby Viltrumite since he just got his powers and needs to actually train them to get stronger.

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[deleted] · 4 years ago

When the bully guy was punching him in ep 1. He felt the first punch but he kept getting tougher as the bully kept going.

Also in ep 2 when he was trapped in the quick dry cement thing which was designed to counter him when he got angry he managed to break it like it was nothing. Rage boost is a crude term but him getting really mad does visibly make him stronger.

I also get the holding back part but remember in ep 5 when he yells "You are fucking dead" I thought he was gonna go for the kill like Omniman did with the Guardians of the galaxy, but in retrospect I could be taking things too literally

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entity_TF_spy · 4 years ago

In episode 1 it seemed like he hadn’t taken a hit in his life. It wasn’t until his dad punched the shit out of him that he went back and took it like a champ showing that the bully wasn’t actually hurting him. I’d say it was more of an emotional response like when he explains to Nolan that he was scared of being hit, but he could physically handle it. It just took some mental adjustment.

And who’s to say how strong that cement shit that the aliens hit him with was, plus it was the first time he ever had anything like that happen to him, and he was traumatized from the carnage of the first alien attack, specifically when he injured the old lady he was trying to save.

I think they do a great job showing how strong he physically is while at the same time adjusting to the new lifestyle from a mental standpoint. It’s a major plot point with him dealing with his emotional human side vs his OP viltrumite side.

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Just-A-Lucky-Guy · 4 years ago

So, spoilers

>!Not inconsistent, just...relative. Mark is a traditional hero at the moment. He doesn't believe in killing people and would have a breakdown if he did. However, being a viltrumite, he could do so if he cuts lose. Even in his rage, he doesn't hit people that hard. If, for example, he did then everyone in that room save for battle beast would have been cracked in half. Mark is also still training, as he's literally a baby. Mark is 17 and viltrumites age slowly and slower the older they get. They live thousands of years. Mark is also more than 99% viltrumite for two reasons that the show will get into. Mark has baby viltrumite strength that must be cultivated and trained. So, if Mark hit harder: the flaxan leader would have been dead. Titan in his appearance in the first episode? Dead. Cannon arm guy? Super dead. Wolf face lady, dead. Doc Sesimic, dead. Battle Beast...amused and annoyed that Mark dares.!<

tl;dr - Mark doesn't like killing and doesn't see that as heroic as it's not the model that Mark based Invincible on.

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Desperate_Beautiful1 · 4 years ago

Yes, I'm going there. I'm honestly not sure Battle Beast is as powerful as a lot of people here think he is at this point in the story. I think Nolan could wreck him. Not as sure about Mark

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swigityshane1 · 4 years ago

read the comics. put respect on his name- no one else in the story can do what he did, period.

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[deleted] · 4 years ago

Have you read the comics or are you speculating?

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TheOGTrap · 4 years ago

Spoiler! In the comics, (Not gonna say who it happens to) >!But he accidentally kills (not really) a villain because he thought they were stronger than they actually are. Eventually, later on in the comics, you see he's wayyy stronger than lead to believe when he goes into full fuck-it mode. He could solo Earth before Robot built his anti-Viltrumite army at the end, but you'd never see that because he holds back so damn much.!<

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Ironside62488 · 4 years ago

Mark is still growing into his powers/abilities. While also building up his combat skills, also take into account he still holds back a lot. It clear to see why his strength would appear to be inconsistent to some. But it's not.

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[deleted] · 4 years ago

It's never super consistent in the comics, but the cat guy he fought in episode five is way stronger in the comics than the rest of the thugs. He's like, Omni-Man level.

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Fantasy_Connect · 4 years ago

Titan is incredibly strong. Not Mark as he is atm strong, but I believe he's in the 20 ish ton range. Like, twice as strong as Spider-Man, who is pretty damn strong.

The only issue is ep5 makes Titan feel less durable than he should be, I dont think an LMG would chip away at his armour that easily.

As for the Flaxxan, Mark was about to go for a kill strike and stopped to pull the thing off of Eve's face.

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Ok_Eye_922 · 4 years ago

Normally he’s a 40-50 ton after he turned 17 although he does become 100 tons with a whole lot of adrenaline but mark is about 400 tons

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Made my own Invincible Variant “Crimson Mark”

Posted by Ok_Day_7975 · in r/Invincible · 4 months ago
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This is “Crimson Mark” In his universe, Nolan pieced into marks head the ideals of Viltrum as he grew, although keeping these teachings from Debbie.

Once mark got his powers, Nolan began training him physically right away, it was a grueling effort, but with Nolan’s help, over the course of a year, mark got powerful, for a bit he was a hero, even got his outfit and wanted it to look bold but intimidating. As Invincible, mark grew quickly to feel it was right to kill the villains he fought. After another year mark continued to be a hero although increasing more of a loose canon, especially with the extended time he spent training with Nolan

Once Omni Man killed most of the guardians, Immortal managed to escape,

Afterwards when Nolan recovered, he revealed the whole truth to mark, shortly after, immortal came back and started to fight Omni Man,

Mark, being conflicted, tried to get both of them to stop, but once he realized neither was going to budge an inch, he realized that talking, was pointless, the following battle was brutal, with mark barely making it out the victor of the three.

Knowing that the Viltrumites would be on their way, and also knowing he couldn’t beat them, Mark decided to take over the planet, the once bold Hero, turned into a silent killer, mark had learned that the best way for him to solve a problem, wasn’t to talk it out, or give a speech, but to end it, permanently.

This Version of Mark is stronger than most Variants, and is not to be trifled with.

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Omni-man_official · 4 months ago

Someone cooked here

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Ok_Day_7975 · OP · 4 months ago

Awww thank you! I designed, wrote for, and drew this variant myself!

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Omni-man_official · 4 months ago

I really need to make my own variant, it’s on my to do list

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Savings_Dragonfly806 · 4 months ago

https://preview.redd.it/o2oztq71nu6f1.png?width=498&format=png&auto=webp&s=b996b7307b628c7c4a6265eeaf271ebf1d3085dc

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Triumph_leader523 · 4 months ago

Holup, is this fire? 🔥

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All characters powers and abilities seen so far in invincible (tv show)

Posted by chipsham93 · in r/Invincible · 4 years ago

Grayson Family Members:

Invincible/Mark Grayson

  • Superhuman Strength
  • Superhuman durability
  • Superhuman Speed
  • Superhuman Stamina
  • High-Speed Flight
  • Enhanced Healing Factor
  • Enhanced Lung Capacity
  • Space Vacuum Adaptation
  • Dominate Genetics
  • Decelerated Aging

Omni-man/Nolan Grayson

  • Nigh-Invulnerability
  • Immense-Superhuman Strength
  • Superhuman Speed
  • Superhuman Stamina
  • High-Speed Flight
  • Enhanced Healing Factor
  • Enhanced Lung Capacity
  • Space Vacuum Adaptation
  • Dominate Genetics
  • Decelerated Aging

The Guardians of the Globe:

The Immortal

  • Superhuman Strength
  • Superhuman Durability
  • Superhuman Speed
  • Superhuman stamina
  • High-Speed Flight
  • Enhanced Healing Factor
  • Immortality/Eternal Life
  • Resurrection
    • Limb Reattachment
  • Self-Sustenance

War Woman

  • Superhuman Strength
  • Superhuman Durability
  • Superhuman Speed
  • Superhuman stamina
  • Enhanced Healing Factor
  • High-Speed Flight
  • Decelerated Aging
  • Mace proficiency

Darkwing

  • Peak Human Conditioning
  • Equipment
    • Wingsuit equipped with hydraulic gears
    • Grappling hook
    • Super-magnetized handcuffs
  • Weapons
    • Exploding shurikens
    • Magnetized Bombs
  • Transportation
    • Hoverboard
    • Wing Jet

Red Rush

  • Immense-Superhuman speed
  • Accelerated Perception
    • Superhuman Reflexes
    • Superhuman Agility
  • superhuman Stamina
  • Enhanced Healing Factor
  • Extreme force generation

Martian man

  • Superhuman Strength
  • Superhuman Speed
  • Superhuman Durability
  • Superhuman Stamina
  • Shapeshifting
    • Elasticity
    • Size Alteration
    • Regeneration
  • High-Speed Flight

Aquarus

  • Enhanced strength
  • Enhanced durability
  • Enhanced speed
  • Enhanced stamina
  • Hydrokinesis
    • Pressurized Water Blasts
  • High-Speed Swimming
  • Underwater Breathing

Green Ghost

  • Green Gem Stone Ingestion
    • Intangibility
    • Intangibility Extension
    • Flight

Guardians of The Globe II:

Robot/Rudolph Connors 

  • Genius Level Intellect
  • Mechanical Engineering
  • Technopathic Neural Implant
  • Robotic suits
    • Enhanced/super strength
    • Enhanced/super durability
    • heads-up display
    • scanning vision
    • plasma Weaponry
    • Flight thrusters

Rex Splode/Rex Sloan

  • Enhanced strength
  • Enhanced durability
  • Enhanced speed
  • Enhanced stamina
  • Molecular Acceleration

Monster Girl/Amanda     

  • Monster form/Transformation
    • Superhuman Strength
    • Superhuman Leaping
    • Superhuman Durability
    • Superhuman Stamina
    • Enhanced Healing Factor
    • Increased/Augmented Size
    • Gender Shifting
    • Reverse Aging of Human Form

Black Samson   

  • Power suit (Formerly)
  • Powers restored
    • Superhuman Strength
    • Superhuman Leaping
    • Superhuman Durability
    • Superhuman Stamina
    • Enhanced Healing Factor

Dupli-Kate 

  • Peak human conditioning
  • martial arts/hand-to-combat
  • Duplication
    • Hive mind

   

Shrinking Rae 

  • Size Alteration
    • Shrinking
  • Escapology

Independent Heroes:

Atom Eve/Samantha Eve Wilkins

  • Sub-atomic manipulation
    • Matter Transmutation
    • Simulated Flight
    • Simulated Telekinesis
    • Energy Force Field Generation
    • Energy Construct Creations

Damien Darkblood 

  • Enhanced Senses
  • Cold Presence
  • Stealth
  • Master investigator
  • Intuitiveness

Coalition of Planets:

Allen the Alien

  • Superhuman Strength
  • Superhuman Durability
  • Superhuman Speed
  • Superhuman stamina
  • Enhanced Healing Factor
  • High-Speed Flight
  • Oxygen Independence
  • Space Vacuum Adaptation
  • Telepathy

Global Defense Agency:

Cecil Stedman

  • Teleportation Device
  • Leadership

D.A. Sinclair

  • Genius Level Intellect
    • Mechanical Engineering
    • Master Scientist

Reanimen

  • Cybernetic enhancements
    • Superhuman Strength
    • Superhuman Leaping
    • Superhuman Durability
    • Superhuman Speed
    • Superhuman stamina
    • Feral/Animalistic Mind

Hail Mary/Kaiju

  • Large Size
  • Super Strength
  • Super Durability
  • Super Stamina
  • Natural Weaponry
    • Tentacles
    • Large teeth
  • Drug Enhancement
  • Pain suppression

Machine Head Forces:

Machine Head 

  • Accelerated probability
  • Wealth

Titian

  • Dermal Rock Armour
    • Superhuman Strength
    • Superhuman Durability
    • Enhanced Momentum

Isotope 

  • Teleportation
    • Spatial awareness

Battle Beast

  • Nigh-Invulnerability
  • Immense-Superhuman Strength
  • Superhuman Leaping
  • Superhuman Speed
  • Superhuman Stamina
  • Fangs and claws
  • Feline senses
  • Mace proficiency
  • Portal Device

Kursk 

  • Electrokinesis
    • Electro blasts
    • Electrokinetic Speed

Furnace 

  • Mech suit
    • Flamethrowers
    • Enhanced strength
    • Enhanced durability

Magmaniac 

  • Lava Body
    • Enhanced strength
    • Enhanced durability
    • Lava blast
    • Elasticity
    • Size Alteration
    • Regeneration

Tether Tyrant 

  • symbiotic chest vest alien
    • Tendril Elasticity
    • Super Strength
    • Super Durability

Independent Villains:

The Mauler Twins 

  • Superhuman Strength
  • Superhuman Leaping
  • Superhuman Durability
  • Superhuman Stamina
  • Enhanced Healing Factor
  • Genius Level Intellect
  • Mechanical Engineering
  • Expert Cloning Biologists

Kill Cannon 

  • Equipment
    • Durable battlesuit
    • HUD visor
    • Laser cannon arm

Doc Seismic 

  • disruption waves gauntlets
    • shockwave generation
    • Shockwave propulsion
    • Self-Induced earthquakes

The Flaxans 

  • Dimensional Travel
  • Advanced weaponry
  • Anti aging bracelets

Martians

  • Shapeshifting
    • Elasticity
    • Size Alteration
    • Regeneration

Sequids 

  • Host body possession
    • Hive mind
    • Swarming
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bastardisedmouseman · 4 years ago

Great work OP! You got any idea who the other heroes at the guardians try outs were?

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chipsham93 · OP · 4 years ago

I have my suspicions haha as I've read the comics, but I can't be giving away potential spoilers on here and thank you, much appreciated :)

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Flooping_Pigs · 4 years ago

This is a cool idea for a character encyclopedia OP!

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chipsham93 · OP · 4 years ago

Cheers. I'm glad my hard work is appreciated

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osirispharo · 4 years ago

Thanks for taking the time to prepare this for us readers. Great job man

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chipsham93 · OP · 4 years ago

Won't lie. It took for ever haha

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osirispharo · 4 years ago

I bet man, but seriously appreciate u taking out the time cause I was looking for something exactly like this

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Invincible's growth and development

Posted by Ironside62488 · in r/Invincible_TV · 6 months ago
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Compared to where he began in S1. How far has Mark come in terms of his overall power and skill set?

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RedNUGGETLORD · 6 months ago

Mark in season 1 couldn't even hurt Nolan

Mark in season 2 was able to solidly beat a Viltrumite that is about half as strong as Nolan(Thula and Vidor together are equal to Nolan, Mark beat Thula)

And Mark in season 3 is 2.3x stronger than that Mark, so he is solidly around Nolans level, probably still lower though, but at the very least he should be easily toying with low-level viltrumites like Thula and Vidor, I could see him struggling with Lucan though

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Ironside62488 · OP · 6 months ago

I think your summary is one of the more accurate description of Mark’s development.

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RedNUGGETLORD · 6 months ago

It's kind of hard to tell how strong Invincible characters are with all the holding back and stuff, for example, Immortal is always shown to be equal to a Mauler twin, but Oliver easily one-shot them, when at this point, he should be weaker than Immortal, either Immortal holds back on them for some reason, or the Maulers held back on Oliver, which I could see, considering they could make Mark bleed in season 2, but couldn't REALLY hurt Oliver, only throw him around a bit

So I understand where everyone else is coming from, even if they are wrong

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King_Korder · 6 months ago

Mark is going through an arc where he has to embrace his viltrumite side to become a better hero for humanity. This doesn't mean embrace their ideologies, but some of their nature in terms of ruthlessness and rage. So as he progresses along this, until he reaches a point where he has to start growing more as a human, he's just gonna get stronger and stronger.

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Ironside62488 · OP · 6 months ago

I really liked this interpretation. I can see what you're saying. Mark is going to have to become a better soldier to become a better hero.

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King_Korder · 6 months ago

Exactly. I'm not trying to spoiler, but that's why the story of Invincible follows this growth and not who he is afterward. It's like we're watching Superman grow up. Clark wasn't always perfect, but the superman we see in comics often is depicted as perfect.

I think invincible asks the question "What would a being like that have to go through to become such a heroic individual?"

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Thebiggestshits · 6 months ago

He's more durable and can throw a much stronger punch then he could before in S1 and S2. He'd have killed the reanimen except for the boyfriend guy. Been more useful against the Flaxons. The Maulers wouldn't have beaten the crap out of him as bad, though still would've swarmed him. He'd have been more helpful during him and his fathers fight with Viltrumites on Thraxia.

All to say if Mark was this strong from the start He'd have beaten the crap out of most of the villains before this minus obvious exceptions like Nolan and Battle Beast. Bro is still cooked against those two.

I think the holding back meme is real, but I also think that now that he is this strong, the writers are throwing stronger opponents at him to fight solo. Omni Man struggled against one Kaiju in season 1. Mark was going to struggle against a bunch of lava kaijus without support. A lot of his losses made sense. They've upped the power levels of everyone, including the Earth Heros, with appearances of new stronger or seemingly skilled heros like Tech Jacket and Best Tiger who somehow hurt Sinister Mark with a bullet.

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the_real_cloakvessel · 6 months ago

season 3 mark could solo both season 2 and season 1 mark together

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ProtectMyExcalibur · 6 months ago

I feel like season 3 Mark could punch a hole through season 2 Mark’s chest.

Season 3 mark could probably hold season 1 Mark with a finger like Lucan did to him.

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glockster19m · 6 months ago

And season 2 mark could punch a hole through season 1 marks chest

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Profesionalintrovert · 6 months ago

he definitely got way stronger since season 1

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Ironside62488 · OP · 6 months ago

Facts. Mark has definitely made major steps since S1

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Mark Grayson (Invincible) replaces Peter Parker in the MCU, how far does he get?

Posted by Senior_Wrongdoer · in r/whowouldwin · 3 years ago

So Let's say that Mark had a pretty similar uprising to MCU Pete, with a few differences.

Firstly, Mark lived with his parents like a normal kid in New York, until a burglar came in and shot Nolan killing him (For Simplicity's sake let's say he had powers when he was younger but somehow lost them).

This leads to Debbie having to raise Mark on her own, and when he hits 17, his powers kick in for the first time and she explains his Viltrumite origins to him, Mark then sets out to become a great hero and prevent others from sharing his fate.

What Would happen with Mark replacing Peter? could he get as far as Pete did? How would the Avengers act with him around?

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HarmlessDingo · 3 years ago

Mark beats all of Spiderman's villains no diff, he wins the whole civil war event for Tony or cap not sure who he'd side with by himself. Thanos never gets his first snap off. Basically he'd be among the most powerful avengers if not the most powerful with only Thor at the top of his game, captain marvel, strange etc being near him. He'd have alot if respect for the avengers but become more cocky when he realises he's so strong compared to most of them. I think he'd be the one they call to reign hulk in when he rampages being able to just fly him miles away from anywhere with lots of people and fight him till he calms down probably becoming good friends with hulk and banner.

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Fadroh · 3 years ago

Thor has better Thermal durability with the Star feat but Invincible outstats pretty much everyone else in every physical category.

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chiggin_nuggets · 3 years ago

Invincible survives a straight dive into the sun

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prazulsaltaret · 3 years ago

> Thor has better Thermal durability with the Star feat

Even a newbie Invincible threw a ball so hard it went around the entire earth in seconds. Nothing Thor has done is anywhere close to that strength feat. Invincible would KO him in one hit.

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laxmewl_lemue · 3 years ago

Mark would probably side with Cap after what happened in Invincibles fight with Angstrom Levy

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Astr0C4t · 3 years ago

I mean by the end of the comics >!Mark and Omni-man punch a dude through a planet!<

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Tommy2255 · 3 years ago

That was Mark, Omniman, and >!Thaddeus!<, not just Mark and Omniman. Also, >!Space Racer's laser loosened it up for them,!< like a jar of space pickles, so it isn't totally clear how much of the work the Viltrumites were actually doing.

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Daedalus871 · 3 years ago

Mark. Pretty much as soon as he gets his powers, there are only a handful of people who can possibly stand a chance.

Thor, Captain Marvel (particularly if we allow blending with What If versions that shouldn't be too different from the Prime version), magic users, etc.

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bolderandbrasher · 3 years ago

Mark pretty easily. He’s way stronger than Hulk. He’s also way more durable considering he took a punch from Omni-Man that sent him flying many miles. Hulk’s leviathan punch has nothing on that.

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Inquisition-OpenUp · 3 years ago

Yeah, depending on Invincible’s resistance to magic, Thor and Strange could definitely hurt him, but anyone after that, I’m not sure. Especially if the dude is actually trying to kill them.

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prazulsaltaret · 3 years ago

> He's not particularly smart so Strange could contain him.

Can Strange react to someone as fast as Invincible though? He's just a human physically.

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Heil_Heimskr · 3 years ago

Did you watch invincible? Mark would absolutely destroy everyone in the entire MCU without breaking a sweat.

The marvel comics have a lot stronger characters, but he absolutely wipes the floor with the MCU.

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Mark Grayson’s characterization seems poorly handled and convoluted (spoilers for the ending of Invincible)

Posted by [deleted] · in r/CharacterRant · 3 years ago

Invincible is by far one of my favorite comic books I’ve ever read and a huge part of that is the fact that it’s a complete story from beginning to end with no need to commit to some status quo. The characters are allowed to grow up and permanently change, characters stay dead, etc. That being said, I have a few gripes with the way Mark’s characterization was handled towards the end of the series.

One of the best parts of Mark’s character arc was his internal conflict over whether or not he should kill. The way this was handled felt so refreshing from other comics bc we got to see Mark actually try and start killing people as opposed to abiding by some strict code. And after the fiasco with Rus Livingston, Mark realizes that killing is too easy and goes back to trying to be a hero without doing so. We got to see our hero go through actual change by starting to kill people and then ultimately realize why it’s wrong. It was major growth in his character.

Except suddenly Mark goes back to killing villains because….reasons. Like after that entire conflict over whether he should kill or not, Mark kills Conquest and it’s casually written off as “oh it’s war so it’s necessary”. I mean sure I guess I can get on board with that, except then Mark goes back to Earth and tries to kill Dinosaurus after the global catastrophe. And when Dinosaurus redeems himself, Mark kills him instead of finding another solution (not to mention he killed Dinosaurus’s innocent host). This is straight up just never addressed. I’m fine with mark going back to killing if it’s done in a way that makes sense and remains consistent with what’s previously established but the way it’s written makes it seem like all the stuff with Rus Livingston meant nothing and was just completely undone.

Then Mark proceeds to do even worse shit like saying “being a hero is bullshit” and kills Thragg’s kid in cold blood. Ok fine, Mark’s not a hero anymore he’s just some guy trying to protect his family, but then right after that he joins the war effort against Thragg and claims he doesn’t wan’t too see Thragg killing any more of his own children (real ironic considering he killed one of them) and knocks him straight into the sun, makes a big speech about how he’s fighting for all his people including thragg’s own army, and how the vilturmites can spread peace throughout the universe, and sacrifices his own life to stop thragg. This sudden return to heroism comes completely out of nowhere after the previous issues focus on mark making the selfish choice to prioritize his family over being a hero and even leaving earth so he wouldn’t have to fight Rex. Except all of a sudden right after beating thragg mark goes back to earth to fight Rex and claims that he was wrong to have left earth in the first place, which feels like a total 180.

All in all Mark’s characterization seems to randomly flip flop with no explanation towards the end of the series. One moment he’s a moral, compassionate hero and the next he’s a gray anti-hero then he’s just a guy trying to protect his family then back again. Like what’s the takeaway supposed to be here? Is Mark actually a hero? Was his entire character arc about realizing he’s not actually a hero and giving up on trying to be one? Does he try to return to being one by the end? It just ended up leaving me confused which is a shame because he was a genuinely well developed character for the majority of the series.

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PCN24454 · 3 years ago

Isn’t this the point of the whole story? Mark’s wishy-washy behavior is why he doesn’t make for a good hero.

At the beginning of the series, Mark thought that superhero-ing would be easy, and considering how he was the second most powerful person on Earth without even trying, he had good reason to be smug at the time.

Then his first real challenge happens, Omni-Man’s betrayal, and suddenly he realizes that he’s not really sure how he’s supposed to act. Because of that he gets much of his advice from other people with their own agendas and way of doing things. It constantly conflicts with what Mark thinks being a superhero is supposed to be like.

As the series goes on, he pretty much drops out of school to be a hero full time. He never really found the hero-civilian balance that most other heroes had. He also begins to lose touch with the Earth itself and its people. That’s why Mark decides that he’s just not a hero. He’s just a guy who’s been coasting off his natural talents.

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[deleted] · 3 years ago

> That’s why Mark decides that he’s just not a hero. He’s just a guy who’s been coasting off his natural talents.

That’s a disappointing conclusion for a character who’s most defining trait was his capacity for compassion and empathy stemming from his human side, which actually made him a hero as opposed to his powers. Especially considering that invincible’s powers didn’t stop him from getting his ass beat, and despite which he continued to push forward and strive to be a hero because he cared.

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PCN24454 · 3 years ago

Was the TV show your first introduction to Mark cause he’s definitely more passionate there than in the comics.

By contrast, Mark’s first reaction to hearing what Omni-Man initially told him the duty of a Viltrumite is to say “So I get to fly?”

Comics!Mark is portrayed as wanted to leave his boring normal life for the amazing life of superhero. That’s why he has trouble staying attached to Earth and “normalcy”.

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Spyder817 · 3 years ago

I agree that Mark’s hypocrisy and indecisiveness is something that he’s constantly criticized about(funnily enough by the same people that give him conflicting advice in the first place). His inability to cope and live with whatever path he tried to follow for more than 5 seconds is a really big character struggle for him that he overcomes in the end not by choosing a path but by being given one and adapting and doing it his own way

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Iliketosayokalot · 3 years ago

I think your idea of Mark being inconsistent is predicated on the idea that his morality surrounding killing doesn't track. However, if you look at the times he does kill his enemies, his morals are generally consistent. Mark does go back to killing, yes, but he only kills in situations where it's practically necessary from his POV. Mark’s moral journey around killing was not letting it become “excessive”. Moreover, Mark stops becoming a hero in the traditional “comic book” sense, but that doesn't mean he's not heroic and doesn't want to help. He refrains from murdering people unless they are a direct, and especially pressing threat to him or those he cares about.

Mark becomes more of a grey character but is still very much keen on making the world and in turn the universe a better place. His actions by the end of the series illustrate that.

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maridan48 · 3 years ago

You are omitting a lot of context.

Stuff like how Dinosaurus had literally just killed millions of people, for the second time mind you, and literally tells Mark to kill him now or else he will do it again.

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[deleted] · 3 years ago

Of course but again that’s not my point- my point is mark having this massive epiphany that killing supervillains isn’t the way to go, has a complete 180 in perspective with no real explanation. We don’t see mark feel any sense of conflict over having to kill dinosaurus, he just does

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maridan48 · 3 years ago

There's the explanation that he had just killed millions of people and asked to be killed or else he might do it again.

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hakatri_gin · 3 years ago

There are differences between killing a defeated enemy that can be safely contained, and killing in the heat of the moment, or killing a defeated but uncontainable enemy

Mark's morality should only be judged on the first case, the others are beyond morality, they are a necessity

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[deleted] · 3 years ago

not my point. Im not condemning the morality of the actions but the writing itself. If you’re going to give your character an arc where he decides killing is wrong, and then have him decide there are certain scenarios he’s willing to kill in, he should feel some turmoil over this and we should actually see that internal conflict before he decides to accept it

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hakatri_gin · 3 years ago

Inner turmoil is pointless when facing annihilation

I leave poison to kill the vermin that targets my chickens, and chop them in two with my shovel if i do find them myself, if i can do that as a matter of fact over mere chicken, im not going to question if someone can easily kill a mortal enemy

Rather, why would anyone be in turmoil over killing such enemy?

The first death, sure, but after that is just a cold equation

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BoofmePlzLoRez · 3 years ago

People flip flop over time. Laos I do thin Invincible had a theme of characters stepping up to take responsibility and it's impact on them.

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r/whowouldwin • [8]

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Mark Grayson/Invincible(Invincible TV series) replaces Peter Parker/Spider-Man(The Spectacular Spider-Man), Can he contend with New York City's criminal underworld?

Posted by [deleted] · in r/whowouldwin · 1 year ago

Scenario: Wanting to redeem himself after his fight with Omni-Man(his father), Mark Grayson a.k.a Invincible has moved into New York City where Peter Parker has moved out, leaving Mark to become New York's protector and having to deal with all of the trials and tribulations that Peter has dealt with, including his rouge gallery.

Invincible's rouge gallery: Venom, Colonel Jupiter, Green Goblin, Vulture, Shocker and The Enforcers, Sandman, Electro, Sandman, Rhino, Tombstone, Hammerhead, Silvermane, Chameleon, Kraven The Hunter, Doctor Octopus, Molten Man, Mysterio, The Lizard and Silver Sable.

Mark also has to contend with J. Jonah Jameson and The Daily Bugle's views on him and masked vigilantes in general.

He starts at the beginning of the series and he's in character(as of the end of Season 1 of Invincible, Mark has gained basic knowledge of New York City and the villains are aware of Mark Grayson's identity).

Can Mark Grayson become Peter Parker's successor?

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GregLeagueGamingAlt · 1 year ago

I remember the comic Mark got into marvel and nearly killed ock because he didnt realize how weak he was and thought he could take a hit, even worse the 2nd time mark just ripped ocks arms off.

I imagine it goes mostly the same way here physically mark dumpsters them, its just the daily issues that would he more of an issue.

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Fit-Floor5635 · 1 year ago

Would Venom at least put up a bit of an issue for Mark? To my knowledge he is definitely in the upper leagues of Spidey's rogues, and his symbiote body could be difficult to manage.

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GregLeagueGamingAlt · 1 year ago

In this version not really, especially as mark has the tactic of actually throwing people into space, super effective here.

616 Venom would be more of an issue.

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AlexFerrana · 1 year ago

Yet many people loves to show a moment where Doc Ock floors Mark with a hit of one of his tentacles in order to low-ball Mark or wank Spider-Man via scaling like "Doc Ock can hurt Invincible, same Doc Ock who's regularly defeated by Spider-Man, therefore, Spider-man beats Invincible".

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r/Invincible_TV • [9]

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Debbie doesn’t have super strength, but she’s the reason Mark isn’t turning into his father.

Posted by JamalAhmadMalik · in r/Invincible_TV · 6 months ago
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Debbie Grayson is one of the strongest characters in Invincible, and not because she can throw a punch. She’s the only one who can stand up to Mark without fighting him.

This scene is so powerful because she’s not just arguing—she’s calling him out. Mark grew up with Omni-Man’s idea of strength, but Debbie’s the one who’s teaching him what real strength looks like. Not power, not dominance—just doing the right thing, even when no one can stop you from doing the wrong one.

She knows she can’t make him listen. But she still tries. And that’s why Mark is becoming the right kind of hero.

How much of Mark’s heroism do you think comes from Debbie?

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bofoshow51 · 6 months ago

This was the scene that sold me on the show. Incredibly mature and powerful moment with Debbie humanizing her son, showing that she is not overshadowed by her super husband but stands on even footing with him in the family. It helps make it believable that down the road Debbie is the reason Mark stays good and Nolan learns to care about life.

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azrzhu · 6 months ago

Seconded - this scene in the pilot was what convinced me that Invincible was worth watching. Everybody talks about the plot twist at the end of episode 1, but it was the writing in this simple conversation between mother and son that hooked me personally

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Bobby_The_Kidd · 6 months ago

In this universe? I’d argue that nearly all of marks heroism comes from Debbie. Sure Nolan taught him how to fight but that’s only half the battle when it comes to being a hero. I think that the reason why this universes Mark is good is because Debbie has a stronger influence on him and the common reason why all the other marks are evil is that they took after their father

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Dqueezy · 6 months ago

One of the alternate marks invaded their home after Debbie had left and said “Aw man, I was looking forward to killing mom again!”. So other marks definitely didn’t have their relationship lmao

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Odd-Friendship6078 · 6 months ago

I think it was a matter of when Mark got his powers. Since our Mark is a late bloomer he knows what it is to be human, relates to his mom more. 

Mowhak probably got it earlier which gave Nolan more time take the reins. 

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AxolotlManChild · 6 months ago

Mohawk was a lunatic to be fair.

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armrha · 6 months ago

Debbie taught Nolan how to be a hero too and what that means. Nolan didn't spent twenty years saving people and appreciating life without it having an affect on him. That's ultimately why he couldn't kill his son and why he fled.

So, indirectly, Debbie has saved the planet in multiple ways...

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Shupaul · 6 months ago

>all the other marks are evil is that they took after their father

Oh ok, just because you come from a planet of genocidal, eugenicist, conquering super powered beings, suddenly you're considered a bad influence ?

Wow.

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jojoseph6565 · 6 months ago

And the way she instantly takes in Oliver and loves him fully. She is Marks moral compass throughout the show

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Surely_Nowwlmao · 6 months ago

My head canon is that Mohawk Mark had this convo but ended up wrong

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MrMangobrick · 6 months ago

That's why Debbie Grayson is the goat

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thelobsterretaken · 6 months ago

You can lift people up without tearing others down

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What if Invincible got real super powers?

Posted by [deleted] · in r/Invincible · 25 days ago

I know what everyone will think reading the title, but the fact is Invincible doesn't really have "superpowers" all of his powers are 100% natural to his species like our ability to run, jump and spit(a lot of animals can't spit) are for us humans.

What if he was granted super powers through science, magical or other unknown means? Imagine if he had the same ability as Dupli-Kate?

I guess the point of this is, would this make a good "what-if?" story or is it interesting to you as a reader/watcher of the series the idea of Mark gaining powers other than his natural abilties? I guess another reason I'm making this, I just never saw anyone discuss this before.

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More_Temperature2078 · 24 days ago

Viltrumites are genetically perfect and viltrumite cells would resist any mutation. I think all superpowers are some form of genetic mutation which wouldn't occur in viltrumites.

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HeadcrabsAreScary · 25 days ago

I did always wonder since so many humans get unnatural powers, how come viltrumites never get the same treatment

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Chibeu · 25 days ago

Probably for the same reason they have their powers. Smart atoms always fix their cells, so there are no mutations, and they are immune to radiation, which is a big one for powers in comics.

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Canuck_Lives_Matter · 25 days ago

Maybe it's a statistics thing. 6.5 billion earthlings and maybe 100 get super powers, so 0.0015% of earth. Viltrumite population (pure blood) has been below 50 for centuries, and they don't seem to be very steady reproducers as far as we know, as even one such as Nolan has two kids that we know of, so the odds are just insanely low. Also their genes are super-powered in themselves and dominate most other mutations so they may be fixing any "super powers" that come up meaning viltrumite will probably never be able to evolve any higher without reproducing with aliens.

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SufficientRegret8472 · 25 days ago

I guess the closest thing would be the species inbreeding but in a case like Oliver it caused him to having an extremely potent memory and allowed him to access his Viltrumite side even during his very short life, but ultimately his abilities are just all Viltrumite

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Historical_Volume806 · 25 days ago

Oliver’s memory is natural to thraxans. They have incredible retention and learning abilities because of their short lifespans.

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ParkerPeter123344444 · 25 days ago

If he had powers like Eve that most viltrumites don't have then he would be invincible compared to the other viltrumites becoming a unique viltrumite just like if you got powers after you were just a normal human like everyone else.

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Necessary_Current252 · 25 days ago

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FreeZeke21 · 25 days ago

Maybe? Would likely depend on what power. Mark with Dupli-Kate’s ability could become insanely OP, especially since we know how limited the Viltrumite are in numbers. So could get boring real quick.

That said, as a reader/watcher, I wouldn’t be for it. Part of what makes Mark’s journey so interesting is his constant questioning of whether he really is different from any other Viltrumite and is genetically dispositioned to become a cold blooded killer. He makes certain choices, sometimes foolishly, with the constant desire in mind to prove that he’s not like them. Having some secondary set of powers that makes him different just gives him an easier cop out imo.

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AdaptedInfiltrator · 25 days ago

Yeah I hoped viltrumites would have some kind of powers besides just being flying bricks

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WonderWarWoman · 24 days ago

Why? Aren't they already insanely op enough? That would be boring.

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How does Mark Grayson get his powers in Invincible

Key Considerations about Mark Grayson's Powers in Invincible:

  1. Heritage: Mark Grayson, also known as Invincible, is the son of Omni-Man (Nolan Grayson), an alien superhero from the Viltrumite race. His powers are inherited from his father.

  2. Viltrumite Abilities: As a Viltrumite, Mark possesses superhuman strength, speed, durability, and the ability to fly. These abilities are characteristic of his alien lineage.

  3. Coming of Age: Mark's powers begin to manifest during his teenage years, typically around the age of 17, which is when he starts to realize his potential and begins training to use his abilities effectively.

  4. Training and Experience: Throughout the series, Mark learns to harness and control his powers through training and experience, often facing various challenges and adversaries that help him grow as a hero.

Takeaway: Mark Grayson's powers are a result of his Viltrumite heritage, and his journey as Invincible involves not only the development of his abilities but also the moral and ethical dilemmas that come with being a superhero.

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