TL;DR Mark Grayson, also known as Invincible, possesses a range of superhuman abilities including strength, durability, speed, flight, enhanced healing, and decelerated aging. His powers are characteristic of his Viltrumite heritage.
Superhuman Abilities
Mark Grayson has several superhuman abilities that are typical of Viltrumites. These include superhuman strength, durability, speed, and stamina [1]. He can fly at high speeds and has an enhanced healing factor, allowing him to recover from injuries quickly. Additionally, he can survive in the vacuum of space due to his enhanced lung capacity and space vacuum adaptation
[1].
Decelerated Aging and Genetics
One of Mark's notable traits is his decelerated aging, which is common among Viltrumites. This means he ages much slower than humans, allowing him to live for thousands of years [1]. His genetics also play a significant role in his powers, as Viltrumite genes are dominant, making him stronger over time as he trains and matures
[3:1].
Strength Variability
Mark's strength appears inconsistent at times, largely due to plot reasons and his own restraint. He holds back his full strength to avoid severely injuring or killing others [2:2]. Despite this, when enraged or in fight-or-flight situations, he can exhibit greater power, although not necessarily harder hits
[2:1]
[2:9]. As he continues to train and embrace his Viltrumite nature, his strength increases significantly
[5:6].
Growth and Development
Throughout the series, Mark undergoes significant growth and development. By season 3, he becomes substantially stronger than his earlier self, capable of defeating Viltrumites who were previously challenging [5:4]
[5:8]. This progression reflects his journey in embracing both his human and Viltrumite sides to become a better hero
[5:3].
Comparisons to Other Characters
In hypothetical scenarios, such as replacing Peter Parker in the MCU, Mark's powers would place him among the most powerful characters, easily surpassing many of the MCU heroes [4:1]
[4:2]. His ability to survive extreme conditions, like diving into the sun, showcases his immense durability
[4:3].
Grayson Family Members:
Invincible/Mark Grayson
Omni-man/Nolan Grayson
The Guardians of the Globe:
The Immortal
War Woman
Darkwing
Red Rush
Martian man
Aquarus
Green Ghost
Guardians of The Globe II:
Robot/Rudolph Connors
Rex Splode/Rex Sloan
Monster Girl/Amanda
Black Samson
Dupli-Kate
Shrinking Rae
Independent Heroes:
Atom Eve/Samantha Eve Wilkins
Damien Darkblood
Coalition of Planets:
Allen the Alien
Global Defense Agency:
Cecil Stedman
D.A. Sinclair
Reanimen
Hail Mary/Kaiju
Machine Head Forces:
Machine Head
Titian
Isotope
Battle Beast
Kursk
Furnace
Magmaniac
Tether Tyrant
Independent Villains:
The Mauler Twins
Kill Cannon
Doc Seismic
The Flaxans
Martians
Sequids
Great work OP! You got any idea who the other heroes at the guardians try outs were?
I have my suspicions haha as I've read the comics, but I can't be giving away potential spoilers on here and thank you, much appreciated :)
This is a cool idea for a character encyclopedia OP!
Cheers. I'm glad my hard work is appreciated
Thanks for taking the time to prepare this for us readers. Great job man
Won't lie. It took for ever haha
I bet man, but seriously appreciate u taking out the time cause I was looking for something exactly like this
This is not a rant and it's not reducing my enjoyment of the series (IT'S FREAKING GOOD) but like the title says I'd like someone to open my eyes on the matter.
I get some things are done for plot reasons, but can someone tell me an estimate of his base strength and whether his powers will keep fluctuating as the show goes on?
I think his strength is consistent since he's fighting other superpowered individuals.
This also isn't your typical show/comic where they power up when they get angry. The 'greater power' that's shown when Mark rages is just him being more aggressive and fighting harder. It doesn't lead to harder hits, just better ones.
Mark also holds back his full strength sometimes since he's cautious about severely injuring or killing people. He's also basically a baby Viltrumite since he just got his powers and needs to actually train them to get stronger.
When the bully guy was punching him in ep 1. He felt the first punch but he kept getting tougher as the bully kept going.
Also in ep 2 when he was trapped in the quick dry cement thing which was designed to counter him when he got angry he managed to break it like it was nothing. Rage boost is a crude term but him getting really mad does visibly make him stronger.
I also get the holding back part but remember in ep 5 when he yells "You are fucking dead" I thought he was gonna go for the kill like Omniman did with the Guardians of the galaxy, but in retrospect I could be taking things too literally
In episode 1 it seemed like he hadn’t taken a hit in his life. It wasn’t until his dad punched the shit out of him that he went back and took it like a champ showing that the bully wasn’t actually hurting him. I’d say it was more of an emotional response like when he explains to Nolan that he was scared of being hit, but he could physically handle it. It just took some mental adjustment.
And who’s to say how strong that cement shit that the aliens hit him with was, plus it was the first time he ever had anything like that happen to him, and he was traumatized from the carnage of the first alien attack, specifically when he injured the old lady he was trying to save.
I think they do a great job showing how strong he physically is while at the same time adjusting to the new lifestyle from a mental standpoint. It’s a major plot point with him dealing with his emotional human side vs his OP viltrumite side.
So, spoilers
>!Not inconsistent, just...relative. Mark is a traditional hero at the moment. He doesn't believe in killing people and would have a breakdown if he did. However, being a viltrumite, he could do so if he cuts lose. Even in his rage, he doesn't hit people that hard. If, for example, he did then everyone in that room save for battle beast would have been cracked in half. Mark is also still training, as he's literally a baby. Mark is 17 and viltrumites age slowly and slower the older they get. They live thousands of years. Mark is also more than 99% viltrumite for two reasons that the show will get into. Mark has baby viltrumite strength that must be cultivated and trained. So, if Mark hit harder: the flaxan leader would have been dead. Titan in his appearance in the first episode? Dead. Cannon arm guy? Super dead. Wolf face lady, dead. Doc Sesimic, dead. Battle Beast...amused and annoyed that Mark dares.!<
tl;dr - Mark doesn't like killing and doesn't see that as heroic as it's not the model that Mark based Invincible on.
Yes, I'm going there. I'm honestly not sure Battle Beast is as powerful as a lot of people here think he is at this point in the story. I think Nolan could wreck him. Not as sure about Mark
read the comics. put respect on his name- no one else in the story can do what he did, period.
Have you read the comics or are you speculating?
Spoiler! In the comics, (Not gonna say who it happens to) >!But he accidentally kills (not really) a villain because he thought they were stronger than they actually are. Eventually, later on in the comics, you see he's wayyy stronger than lead to believe when he goes into full fuck-it mode. He could solo Earth before Robot built his anti-Viltrumite army at the end, but you'd never see that because he holds back so damn much.!<
Mark is still growing into his powers/abilities. While also building up his combat skills, also take into account he still holds back a lot. It clear to see why his strength would appear to be inconsistent to some. But it's not.
It's never super consistent in the comics, but the cat guy he fought in episode five is way stronger in the comics than the rest of the thugs. He's like, Omni-Man level.
Titan is incredibly strong. Not Mark as he is atm strong, but I believe he's in the 20 ish ton range. Like, twice as strong as Spider-Man, who is pretty damn strong.
The only issue is ep5 makes Titan feel less durable than he should be, I dont think an LMG would chip away at his armour that easily.
As for the Flaxxan, Mark was about to go for a kill strike and stopped to pull the thing off of Eve's face.
Normally he’s a 40-50 ton after he turned 17 although he does become 100 tons with a whole lot of adrenaline but mark is about 400 tons
⚠️ Spoilers ⚠️
Alright, So I’ve been thinking about “ Mark Grayson “ a Human / Viltrumite hybrid who’s powers manifested at age 17yr and by the end of the Comics series he’s about 27yr (22yr Mentally) and within those 10 years he faces numerous “ Thousand of years old planet conquering aliens with x amount of Battle experience”. Mark our protagonist was able to defeat them all🤨.
So I’ve been thinking about “ WHY “ Mark was able to defeat the Viltrumites I mean the comics stated that he Trained with Cecil’s help on the side and with him being a active superhero helps with that But with the power gap between Earth’s villains and the Viltrumites being so immense what kind of training would actually help Mark against a Viltrumite?🤔
other than Mark being the main-protagonist of the series and having extreme plot-armor/ strength the only other “IN-UNIVERSE” explanation I can come up with is that ‘ Viltrumites DON’T Produce Adrenaline🫤‘ it sounds crazy Ik but stay with me alright. I believe Mark’s hybrid Human/Viltrumite physiology is what gives him an edge when encountering Viltrumites later in the comics
I believe Viltrumites DON’T produce adrenaline and fight purely off of aggression also their combative Know-How 😗
Keep in mind For Viltrumites : with age comes Power ( Advantage )
Mark’s DNA is being over-written so is gradually becoming stronger as the series progresses.( sorta a explanation be it doesn't Justify we Mark able the best Conquest and Thragg )
I already know people are gonna have objections so shoot em in the comments and tell me what you think🤔
Also here’s my Full-Blooded Viltrumite Racking
( this is from their first appearances )
1} Thagg 2} conquest 3}Thaedus 4}Nolan 5}Kregg 6}Anissa 7}Lucan 8}Thula 9}Vidor Vidor is weak link but top-tier on the swag list🙃
Viltrumites likely produce adrenaline, they are genetically very similar to humans just with extra powers.
Every viltrumite seemingly is stronger when enraged and put in a fight or flight situation. they still function at peak strength and beyond even when severely injured. Like having their guts spilling out, keeping them conscious until the task is done, Things adrenaline is known for.
Examples being: lucan breaking Nolan’s back while his own guts were hanging out, Conquest in his final death throw putting a hole in mark.
He only really wins these fights, because he’s relentless, not because he got a power boost in the middle of the fight
He beat conquest, because he never let up, started biting him. Never gave him a Chance to regain his barrings. Never let go, even when his ribs were destroyed and he had a hole put in his stomach
Conquest couldn’t win if mark never gave him a chance to hit back. And he’s always been Abel to hurt him.
The difference between mark and other viltrumite is simply his will power and being Nolan’s son
Nobody considers marks age a big factor, no viltrumite is suprised at how strong he is, despite knowing he’s at around 20 years old. So, Age isn’t a big factor in viltrumite strength, they might be only capable of lifting an extra pound or kilogram each year. Stronger by the day, but not relevantly so. And that’s gap cleared just by pushing your limits more than everyone else. And he did. Eve
Oliver has a similar rise in strength, became strong enough to hold his own with other viltrumites in just 9 months of working out with Nolan. And only being 15 development wise.
Viltrumites likely produce adrenaline, they are genetically very similar to humans just with extra powers.
I think either in the comics or in the show (and I only reference specific parts of the show that pertain to the appropriate topic at hand, as Kirkman has said he's using the show to flesh out what he couldn't and fix what he didn't like about the comics,) that Nolan states Mark is should end up much stronger as Viltrumites don't produce adrenaline due to their genetic make up, which has smart cells which gives them their powers.
yes its been repeatedly theorized that Viltrumites don't produce adrenaline.
Mark is the descendant of the royal leader of Viltrum. Whether you wanna admit that or not.
Also add the royal bloodline in the mix.
Mark doesn't count like I said plot armor 😒 and Argyle would most likely be top-teir because his death was a surprise assassination by Thaedus also Nolan stated that “the Strongest rules the Vilteumites” so😗🤔
It’s also stated the viltrumites followed Argall for his wisdom, not his strength
How does that make any sense? Thaedus had to stab their king through the head with a viltrumite bone knife. If he was trying to take the throne by force and succeeded that may make sense. But just murdering him with essentially a backstab is not indicative of strength.
He has the indomitable human spirit.
Yuh😒Mark must’ve sold Kratos some Plot-Armor with the way Kratos is Mythology hoping
That's been discussed in the fanbase for a while
It has? 🤨 like fr
Yeah I’ve seen this exact theory in the sub several times
So Let's say that Mark had a pretty similar uprising to MCU Pete, with a few differences.
Firstly, Mark lived with his parents like a normal kid in New York, until a burglar came in and shot Nolan killing him (For Simplicity's sake let's say he had powers when he was younger but somehow lost them).
This leads to Debbie having to raise Mark on her own, and when he hits 17, his powers kick in for the first time and she explains his Viltrumite origins to him, Mark then sets out to become a great hero and prevent others from sharing his fate.
What Would happen with Mark replacing Peter? could he get as far as Pete did? How would the Avengers act with him around?
Mark beats all of Spiderman's villains no diff, he wins the whole civil war event for Tony or cap not sure who he'd side with by himself. Thanos never gets his first snap off. Basically he'd be among the most powerful avengers if not the most powerful with only Thor at the top of his game, captain marvel, strange etc being near him. He'd have alot if respect for the avengers but become more cocky when he realises he's so strong compared to most of them. I think he'd be the one they call to reign hulk in when he rampages being able to just fly him miles away from anywhere with lots of people and fight him till he calms down probably becoming good friends with hulk and banner.
Thor has better Thermal durability with the Star feat but Invincible outstats pretty much everyone else in every physical category.
Invincible survives a straight dive into the sun
> Thor has better Thermal durability with the Star feat
Even a newbie Invincible threw a ball so hard it went around the entire earth in seconds. Nothing Thor has done is anywhere close to that strength feat. Invincible would KO him in one hit.
Mark would probably side with Cap after what happened in Invincibles fight with Angstrom Levy
Mark. Pretty much as soon as he gets his powers, there are only a handful of people who can possibly stand a chance.
Thor, Captain Marvel (particularly if we allow blending with What If versions that shouldn't be too different from the Prime version), magic users, etc.
Mark pretty easily. He’s way stronger than Hulk. He’s also way more durable considering he took a punch from Omni-Man that sent him flying many miles. Hulk’s leviathan punch has nothing on that.
I mean by the end of the comics >!Mark and Omni-man punch a dude through a planet!<
That was Mark, Omniman, and >!Thaddeus!<, not just Mark and Omniman. Also, >!Space Racer's laser loosened it up for them,!< like a jar of space pickles, so it isn't totally clear how much of the work the Viltrumites were actually doing.
Yeah, depending on Invincible’s resistance to magic, Thor and Strange could definitely hurt him, but anyone after that, I’m not sure. Especially if the dude is actually trying to kill them.
IMO, no one in the MCU can really compare to Supe's strength level, which is where Mark seems to be.
Did you watch invincible? Mark would absolutely destroy everyone in the entire MCU without breaking a sweat.
The marvel comics have a lot stronger characters, but he absolutely wipes the floor with the MCU.
Compared to where he began in S1. How far has Mark come in terms of his overall power and skill set?
Mark is going through an arc where he has to embrace his viltrumite side to become a better hero for humanity. This doesn't mean embrace their ideologies, but some of their nature in terms of ruthlessness and rage. So as he progresses along this, until he reaches a point where he has to start growing more as a human, he's just gonna get stronger and stronger.
I really liked this interpretation. I can see what you're saying. Mark is going to have to become a better soldier to become a better hero.
Exactly. I'm not trying to spoiler, but that's why the story of Invincible follows this growth and not who he is afterward. It's like we're watching Superman grow up. Clark wasn't always perfect, but the superman we see in comics often is depicted as perfect.
I think invincible asks the question "What would a being like that have to go through to become such a heroic individual?"
season 3 mark could solo both season 2 and season 1 mark together
I feel like season 3 Mark could punch a hole through season 2 Mark’s chest.
Season 3 mark could probably hold season 1 Mark with a finger like Lucan did to him.
And season 2 mark could punch a hole through season 1 marks chest
He's more durable and can throw a much stronger punch then he could before in S1 and S2. He'd have killed the reanimen except for the boyfriend guy. Been more useful against the Flaxons. The Maulers wouldn't have beaten the crap out of him as bad, though still would've swarmed him. He'd have been more helpful during him and his fathers fight with Viltrumites on Thraxia.
All to say if Mark was this strong from the start He'd have beaten the crap out of most of the villains before this minus obvious exceptions like Nolan and Battle Beast. Bro is still cooked against those two.
I think the holding back meme is real, but I also think that now that he is this strong, the writers are throwing stronger opponents at him to fight solo. Omni Man struggled against one Kaiju in season 1. Mark was going to struggle against a bunch of lava kaijus without support. A lot of his losses made sense. They've upped the power levels of everyone, including the Earth Heros, with appearances of new stronger or seemingly skilled heros like Tech Jacket and Best Tiger who somehow hurt Sinister Mark with a bullet.
Mark in season 1 couldn't even hurt Nolan
Mark in season 2 was able to solidly beat a Viltrumite that is about half as strong as Nolan(Thula and Vidor together are equal to Nolan, Mark beat Thula)
And Mark in season 3 is 2.3x stronger than that Mark, so he is solidly around Nolans level, probably still lower though, but at the very least he should be easily toying with low-level viltrumites like Thula and Vidor, I could see him struggling with Lucan though
I think your summary is one of the more accurate description of Mark’s development.
It's kind of hard to tell how strong Invincible characters are with all the holding back and stuff, for example, Immortal is always shown to be equal to a Mauler twin, but Oliver easily one-shot them, when at this point, he should be weaker than Immortal, either Immortal holds back on them for some reason, or the Maulers held back on Oliver, which I could see, considering they could make Mark bleed in season 2, but couldn't REALLY hurt Oliver, only throw him around a bit
So I understand where everyone else is coming from, even if they are wrong
he definitely got way stronger since season 1
Facts. Mark has definitely made major steps since S1
Complete pedantry:
It takes more power (in the energy per time physics sense) to stop a meteor the closer it is to earth for the same velocity since you're working more and more against Earth's gravity, helped very minorly by air resistance from atmosphere, so it's unrealistic for him to have been able to still stop it when he didn't manage to stop it before (barring final desperate effort stuff happening)
Plus he would probably have to had put more effort into keeping the meteor still after stopping it, since if parts of the meteor began burning up he'd be at most 60 miles or so above the Earth at the edge of the atmosphere where the Earth's gravity is only ~3% less than on the surface, and he wouldn't have been able to toss it away as easily as he did at the end of the scene since at minimum he would have had to give it as much kinetic energy as had been converted from gravitational potential energy as it flew towards earth, which the scene already establishes him as having trouble with (plus the spin move itself being ridiculously fast for how much more massive than him the meteor is)
Could really be him getting used to his strength. He is very much still an infant using his strength and powers. Ither than that I would just bar everything off as it being a fictional superhero show. 90% of the things they do in the show are not realistic at all
You hear him breathe despite theoretically being in space (and omnimans cape waving).
Both potentially could happen depending on conditions but there are fights in space where you can straight up hear them breathing and hear the sounds of impacts and it always takes me out lol
Yeah, I don’t even think it should be burning at that speed, the flames are traveling backwards faster than the thing is traveling. Either way, it would have been much easier to redirect the meteor than to try to stop it.
I think there's a potential explanation for that. Without nearby points of reference, it's difficult to tell what speed they're actually moving at. Omni-man might not be standing still; they could be moving into the edge of the atmosphere at an extremely fast speed, and Mark just slows it down to a manageable speed right after they start to enter the atmosphere, and it just looks like it's moving slow because Omni-man is the only seemingly stable reference point, and he's matching speed with Mark.
It's probably not that. It's probably just bad physics in animation, but... We can dream.
Catching that baseball that Omni man threw around the world when he first got his powers. Definitely
Being able to not die after a hit from battle beast
Tanking the Conquest nuke
The fact that he even beat conquest at all is literally a miracle
Fr that’s what I was going to say
Embracing Oliver. Unironically, not letting animosity get the better of him (same for Debbie), after everything Nolan did, is the greatest feat of all.
I like this answer the most.
Thanks!
Isn't it strange how similar the two characters are (spoilers for the comic and series if you haven't watch either)
-Both are half-alien hybrid
-Both are good nature who wants to be a hero
-Looked up to, but feel pressured around their alien parents.
-Awaken their powers later in their teenage years.
-Learn that their parents are not who they seem to be
-Found out their alien race are intergalactic conquerors.
-Suffer some form of PTSD
-Want to help end their alien race terrible empire via pacifism (more so on Steven part)
-Could one day outlive their human friends and family.
Let me know if I miss anything else
Who’d win? The inevitable question
The power scaling of Invincible (universe, not character) is way more over the top than the Steven Universe one. It basically ends up like how all versus scenarios do when one character is basically a Superman clone - a character notorious for being overpowered.
You mean a Death Battle. Clearly Mark as he’s basically a Superman against Steven whose basically Captain America with magic
Actually Steven is closer to Atom Eve and Green Lantern with a slice Monster Girl. He's got good list of powers.
Invincible duh. He is able to survive a punch from Omni Man who punched him 20 miles into Chicago, and those punches were able to shake mountains. He was able to survive getting pierced through the stomach and have his guts ripped out, even beat people like Thragg, Conquest, etc.
I guess forgiving people who did horrible things is another part of that, except Invincible handled that well unlike SU
Helps that Thragg didn’t get any of that, for obvious reason
Yeah but Invincible isn’t mid and wasn’t created by a ped0
What?
Three words and the word "and" the words all have Ed in them
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And its disgusting they drew it (because children) I can't even understand the thought process to get to think of that let alone get to drawing it
Invincible is by far one of my favorite comic books I’ve ever read and a huge part of that is the fact that it’s a complete story from beginning to end with no need to commit to some status quo. The characters are allowed to grow up and permanently change, characters stay dead, etc. That being said, I have a few gripes with the way Mark’s characterization was handled towards the end of the series.
One of the best parts of Mark’s character arc was his internal conflict over whether or not he should kill. The way this was handled felt so refreshing from other comics bc we got to see Mark actually try and start killing people as opposed to abiding by some strict code. And after the fiasco with Rus Livingston, Mark realizes that killing is too easy and goes back to trying to be a hero without doing so. We got to see our hero go through actual change by starting to kill people and then ultimately realize why it’s wrong. It was major growth in his character.
Except suddenly Mark goes back to killing villains because….reasons. Like after that entire conflict over whether he should kill or not, Mark kills Conquest and it’s casually written off as “oh it’s war so it’s necessary”. I mean sure I guess I can get on board with that, except then Mark goes back to Earth and tries to kill Dinosaurus after the global catastrophe. And when Dinosaurus redeems himself, Mark kills him instead of finding another solution (not to mention he killed Dinosaurus’s innocent host). This is straight up just never addressed. I’m fine with mark going back to killing if it’s done in a way that makes sense and remains consistent with what’s previously established but the way it’s written makes it seem like all the stuff with Rus Livingston meant nothing and was just completely undone.
Then Mark proceeds to do even worse shit like saying “being a hero is bullshit” and kills Thragg’s kid in cold blood. Ok fine, Mark’s not a hero anymore he’s just some guy trying to protect his family, but then right after that he joins the war effort against Thragg and claims he doesn’t wan’t too see Thragg killing any more of his own children (real ironic considering he killed one of them) and knocks him straight into the sun, makes a big speech about how he’s fighting for all his people including thragg’s own army, and how the vilturmites can spread peace throughout the universe, and sacrifices his own life to stop thragg. This sudden return to heroism comes completely out of nowhere after the previous issues focus on mark making the selfish choice to prioritize his family over being a hero and even leaving earth so he wouldn’t have to fight Rex. Except all of a sudden right after beating thragg mark goes back to earth to fight Rex and claims that he was wrong to have left earth in the first place, which feels like a total 180.
All in all Mark’s characterization seems to randomly flip flop with no explanation towards the end of the series. One moment he’s a moral, compassionate hero and the next he’s a gray anti-hero then he’s just a guy trying to protect his family then back again. Like what’s the takeaway supposed to be here? Is Mark actually a hero? Was his entire character arc about realizing he’s not actually a hero and giving up on trying to be one? Does he try to return to being one by the end? It just ended up leaving me confused which is a shame because he was a genuinely well developed character for the majority of the series.
Isn’t this the point of the whole story? Mark’s wishy-washy behavior is why he doesn’t make for a good hero.
At the beginning of the series, Mark thought that superhero-ing would be easy, and considering how he was the second most powerful person on Earth without even trying, he had good reason to be smug at the time.
Then his first real challenge happens, Omni-Man’s betrayal, and suddenly he realizes that he’s not really sure how he’s supposed to act. Because of that he gets much of his advice from other people with their own agendas and way of doing things. It constantly conflicts with what Mark thinks being a superhero is supposed to be like.
As the series goes on, he pretty much drops out of school to be a hero full time. He never really found the hero-civilian balance that most other heroes had. He also begins to lose touch with the Earth itself and its people. That’s why Mark decides that he’s just not a hero. He’s just a guy who’s been coasting off his natural talents.
> That’s why Mark decides that he’s just not a hero. He’s just a guy who’s been coasting off his natural talents.
That’s a disappointing conclusion for a character who’s most defining trait was his capacity for compassion and empathy stemming from his human side, which actually made him a hero as opposed to his powers. Especially considering that invincible’s powers didn’t stop him from getting his ass beat, and despite which he continued to push forward and strive to be a hero because he cared.
Was the TV show your first introduction to Mark cause he’s definitely more passionate there than in the comics.
By contrast, Mark’s first reaction to hearing what Omni-Man initially told him the duty of a Viltrumite is to say “So I get to fly?”
Comics!Mark is portrayed as wanted to leave his boring normal life for the amazing life of superhero. That’s why he has trouble staying attached to Earth and “normalcy”.
I agree that Mark’s hypocrisy and indecisiveness is something that he’s constantly criticized about(funnily enough by the same people that give him conflicting advice in the first place). His inability to cope and live with whatever path he tried to follow for more than 5 seconds is a really big character struggle for him that he overcomes in the end not by choosing a path but by being given one and adapting and doing it his own way
I think your idea of Mark being inconsistent is predicated on the idea that his morality surrounding killing doesn't track. However, if you look at the times he does kill his enemies, his morals are generally consistent. Mark does go back to killing, yes, but he only kills in situations where it's practically necessary from his POV. Mark’s moral journey around killing was not letting it become “excessive”. Moreover, Mark stops becoming a hero in the traditional “comic book” sense, but that doesn't mean he's not heroic and doesn't want to help. He refrains from murdering people unless they are a direct, and especially pressing threat to him or those he cares about.
Mark becomes more of a grey character but is still very much keen on making the world and in turn the universe a better place. His actions by the end of the series illustrate that.
You are omitting a lot of context.
Stuff like how Dinosaurus had literally just killed millions of people, for the second time mind you, and literally tells Mark to kill him now or else he will do it again.
Of course but again that’s not my point- my point is mark having this massive epiphany that killing supervillains isn’t the way to go, has a complete 180 in perspective with no real explanation. We don’t see mark feel any sense of conflict over having to kill dinosaurus, he just does
There's the explanation that he had just killed millions of people and asked to be killed or else he might do it again.
There are differences between killing a defeated enemy that can be safely contained, and killing in the heat of the moment, or killing a defeated but uncontainable enemy
Mark's morality should only be judged on the first case, the others are beyond morality, they are a necessity
not my point. Im not condemning the morality of the actions but the writing itself. If you’re going to give your character an arc where he decides killing is wrong, and then have him decide there are certain scenarios he’s willing to kill in, he should feel some turmoil over this and we should actually see that internal conflict before he decides to accept it
Inner turmoil is pointless when facing annihilation
I leave poison to kill the vermin that targets my chickens, and chop them in two with my shovel if i do find them myself, if i can do that as a matter of fact over mere chicken, im not going to question if someone can easily kill a mortal enemy
Rather, why would anyone be in turmoil over killing such enemy?
The first death, sure, but after that is just a cold equation
People flip flop over time. Laos I do thin Invincible had a theme of characters stepping up to take responsibility and it's impact on them.
I believe arguments could be made for WordGirl to be in the second one (or perhaps as a debatable one), based on some recent Dwarf Star level calcs for her (admittedly involving a bit of shaky scaling)
You could technically make a similar argument for Mark with the sun disk, tho tbh I find both arguments shaky
I just have both at their planet busting tiers
Word girl also has a few hax that mark would have trouble handling, like laser eyes, freeze breath that froze an Omni man wannabe instantly, and an incredibly loud shout that shook a city.
I like Mark, but I like Hot Rod more, so hearing he wins is cool
I’m digging Invincible vs Radiant Black a LOT more recently, especially with the little short film they put on YT
Charlie is basically featless so it's no surprise that she loses.
Charlie is currently Planet level to Multi Solar system level and FTL
I mean it’s not that she’s featless
It’s that Mark is just much faster and would just kill her in 1 hit
To my knowledge, going from the show only, Charlie has only blocked an attack from Adam who's best feat is destroying the Hazbin Hotel.
She is likely to get stronger as the show goes on but right now she has nothing.
He has no Ws because even if he’s stronger than them he will hold back for no logical reason
Mark Grayson when a ki blast capable of destroying the universe 10x over comes flying at him (He can’t hit it back for fear of hurting Gohan)
What are Mark Grayson's powers in Invincible
Mark Grayson, also known as Invincible, possesses several superhuman abilities:
Superhuman Strength: Mark has strength that allows him to lift and throw heavy objects, overpower opponents, and perform incredible feats of physical prowess.
Superhuman Speed: He can move at superhuman speeds, enabling him to react quickly in combat and travel great distances rapidly.
Durability: Mark has a high level of durability, allowing him to withstand significant physical damage, including impacts from powerful blows and explosions.
Flight: He has the ability to fly, which enhances his mobility and allows him to engage in aerial combat.
Regenerative Healing: Mark can recover from injuries at an accelerated rate, making him more resilient in battle.
Longevity: As a half-Viltrumite, he ages more slowly than humans, giving him a longer lifespan.
Key Takeaway: Mark's powers make him a formidable hero, capable of facing a variety of threats. His abilities are a combination of his human heritage and his Viltrumite lineage, which is known for producing some of the most powerful beings in the universe.
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