I feel like it’s the culmination of omniman asking mark “in 5000 years what will you have” and he built an empire devoted to peace. Also It was set up from the very beginning that viltrumites had the capacity to change and be better.

Tbf, while invincible at the beginning seemed like it planned to have depth, after you see a bit you realize it's just grimdark fucking around.

I had no idea that consensus existed. I was always under the impression that everyone knew the final chapters were rushed?

I thought it was a very weak ending for a very weak last arc. When they showed Atom Eves ending, I bursted out laughting, it looked like parody.

I feel like we are skipping a few key details.

He's not taking any world, stopping people from doing evil isn't removing their freedom lol.

Like, what's the argument here? Inaction? Preserving the status quo? The right of empires to exist?

This feels like being opposite to radical change for the sake of it.

100% the ending is very idealistic, Mark created the perfect empire with an inmortal family

Ngl kinda dumb but is fine and Mark need it a W after all that happend to him

I mean it seems more like Mark created another version of the federation from star trek.

The martians don’t know who they are.

Their leader pretended he did, then turned to his advisor for an answer.

Without spoiling anything I can tell you that this gets answered in the story. Also the Martians didn't know who they were

He lies, as we find out when Nolan tells Allen the reality was to test human-Viltrumite hybrids due to how genetically similar they were, then once Nolan concluded his son had powers ready the planet to be a breeḍing camp for Viltrumites to raise their population again. Yeah they would get the false hope of prosperity with tech for improving quality of life but at the end of the day they only prosperity human life to ensure they maintain helping the empire for many centries, with this case instead of helping in say the technological, man power, or agricultural field, it was just to be a breeḍing camp:

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Iirc that DNA compatibility was only discovered efter Nolan betrayed viltrum

It's probably like the British or American empires. The imperialists tell themselves they're civilizing the people they're colonizing for their own good, but they're really subjugating them to enrich the empire. There will be some genocide, but those whose lives can benefit the empire will be allowed to live.

MAJOR spoilers.

They do give a huge tech/medical boost but in return they strip Earth of its resources and you get drafted into their army.

True true I didn’t really think of that too much at first but that’s right !

You have to study on imperialism my guy.

Humans would be second class citzens with no rights, they would all be a disposable resources when compared to viltrumites, and it gets worse when you consider that most viltrumites are psycho murderers, humans would be like toys to them, or like Nolan himself said "pets".

The technology part is true and they would definetly make the world prosper... for them.

It should be noted that Viltrumites are very hard to scale against other Viltrumites in terms of strength and durability, as these can vary wildly between individuals. So what dismembers one, might not even phase a different Viltrumite.

Typically those Earth weapons of which you speak are either AAA+ tier weapons with the power of a nuclear bombs, which notably, barely phased Nolan. A 400 billion nosebleed if you will, or sufficiently powerful to destroy small continents. Otherwise those weapons are wielded by other superbeings. Not exactly comparable to any typical weaponry a person thinks of at the word “bulletproof”.

That’s the neat part about Viltrumites. They’re also somewhat glass cannons, their strength greatly outclasses their durability, which while still in the top ranks in terms of superbeings, doesn’t ludicrously exceed them like their strength does. That’s why Viltrumites can so easily kill and dismember other Viltrumites and also why other reasonably strong superbeings and superweapons can hurt them.

Lastly, Viltrumites are relatively soft and squishy on the inside, compared to their outside. Lucan being impaled by a rock for example, his belly was already split open. Or comic spoiler, >!Mohawk Mark getting his insides shredded!<.

Essentially [TITLE CARD] really is a bit optimistic.

Everyone has "durability", Viltrumites just have higher durability, outrageous strength and regenerate pretty quickly while being able to take a lot of punishment.

That aside, that's just how durability works a lot of times in fiction.

Even if someone logically shouldn't be able to get stabbed by a regular rock, if someone powerful enough uses that rock it's gonna do something, even if it would normally probably just break apart.

Being durable just makes you harder to damage not impossible to damage.

Also a Viltrumite would have an easier power to damage another Viltrumite because they are both equally durable.

It’s sort of a “unstoppable force meets an only almost impenetrable object”

Viltrumites are incredibly strong, strong enough to overcome the durability of other Viltrumites

Think of it as they put a ton of points into durability, but even more points into strength

Have you ever been tempted to make a balloon animal with someone’s intestines?

I certainly could not damage a tank by throwing a steel bolt at it.

But if I were to put said steel bolt in a railgun, or something similar, chance are that said tank will probably feel it a bit.

Same thing.

Like pork belly? Difficult to cut through the skin but once you're through, its easy to go through the meat too.

Bloodline is important to Viltrumites. Argyll was the founder of the original empire and was worshipped to such a point that he was a Messianic figure. I was gonna say "imagine if" but we don't really have any resembling figures to compare him to, maybe a super fit jesus

I always found it weird too, considering Nolan was viewed as a traitor, and Thragg ruled the Viltrumite for a long time and was crazy strong!

I don't remember if Marcus, the son of Mark was born when Thragg learned that Nolan and Mark were royalty.

But if it's the case he should have said nothing, killed Nolan, Oliver and Mark and Terra and be the regent for a toddler Marcus, this way Thragg could have raised and indoctrinated him the way he wanted.

He would have been highly praised for " rediscovering the lost blood of Argall", and leading the replenishment of the Viltrumites by breeding with humans.

His bloodline would have been nearly as important than the one of Argall, and that's not an easy feat!

I think the demolition of the planet kind of served as a rebellious act of the underdog/rightful leader. In my mind it was a way of showing that the viltrumites really did think the rightful ruler was the best person for the job. After you cull more than 50% of your entire race you obviously believe it was for the right reasons and thraggs disruption of the rightful order would be more than sin to any true viltrumite

I wonder what Conquest would’ve done tbh

Same with Nolan, they were more loyal to the empire than they were to Thragg.

If you compare to the comics, they would be in the upper level, but they are not quite as strong as someone like Hulk, Thor or most of the justice league.

They would probably be around the level of aquaman or the thing, while the strongest of them like Nolan or conquest would win vs the thing but lose to thor.

Very powerful, but nowhere near as peerless as in Invincible and definitely not the top dogs.

It’s a more complicated question than it sounds.

There’s a much, much wider variety of powers in both Marvel and DC.

Prof X calmly look in Conquest general direction. One second later Conquest think he’s an 8 years old little girl.

Nolan decides to attack some random biker. Moments later he get Penance Stared, hard, like his brain is leaking through his ears hard.

Over in DC, Anissa is actually wishing for the sweet release of death because Black Canary has been hammering her ears drums for two minutes.

They are in the upper level of scale, in general. However, they are nowhere near the top of the food chain they are in their home universe.

No, definitely not.

The Invincibleverse is dominated by flying bricks, of which Viltrumites are top tier.

Once you head over to Marvel or DC Vilrumites would still be powerful flying bricks, but the fact is even the most powerful pure flying bricks don't get near the top of the food chain if they don't have other abilities.

The Silver Surfer could solo the entire Viltrum empire because you punches got nothing on the Power Cosmic. Even the tiny fraction of the Power Cosmic that Surfer has allows him to destroy planets wholesale.

Even on the more mortal side, the classic Hulk has things going for him no Viltrumite does. Hulk heals faster and gets stronger the angrier he gets, and Viltrumites are experts at pissing people off.

Once you get to the point of reality manipulators like Franklin Richards, the Viltrimites don't even register.

With >!only ~50 members left, in the long run it would inevitably cause massive inbreeding.!<

thraxan viltrumites are half viltrumites anyway when they age at some point they end aging slower like Exactly like a viltrumites age slower as they are older so it isnt really a con and the good thing is they dont stay baby for long like viltrumites or other specie so basically you get baby warriors you can grow up and train to even understand their task in only months and they have good memory they can rememeber a strategy in a sec

With so few left, it’ll eventually turn into space Alabama

Viltrumite strength stays consistent during battle even with emotions or stakes. When mark gets mad he gets stronger though

Fits of anger wouldn't be adrenaline, more likely related to damage to pre-frontal cortex or the hindbrain, but still possibly linked to a fight-or-flight reflex. It's possible that viltrumites might be permanently locked into a state of 'fight' judging by their aggresiveness, and Mark being only partial viltrumite can turn it off and choose to hold back, or maybe it's his sense of humanity that allows it that the viltrumites lack.

Adrenaline. 

In my soul

Something something 

In Vince able 

Against non-Viltrumites, pretty much nothing can hurt them anyway, so they're passively conditioned to not block

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And against actual Viltrumites, their speed seems to be much greater than their durability, so they probably rely on dodging more than blocking

Omniman blocked the water blast from Aquarus in S1

This. I saw on another post that it seems like Viltrumites are crazy strong but not equally durable (compared to fighting other viltrumites) and this is why they never block. Nolan literally sliced through Lucan with just his hand

I’m not sure what you’re talking about, Omni-Man blocks all the time. Especially when he’s fighting Scorpion, Sub-Zero or another Omni-Man.