TL;DR The Pythagorean theorem has numerous proofs, ranging from geometric constructions to algebraic manipulations. Understanding the motivations behind these proofs can enhance comprehension and recall.
Geometric Proofs
One popular geometric proof involves constructing a square with side length (c), the hypotenuse of a right triangle, and arranging four identical triangles within it. This method allows for calculating the area of the square in two different ways: directly as (c^2) and by summing the areas of the triangles and the smaller square formed inside, leading to the equation (a^2 + b^2 = c^2) [3]. This approach is elegant and requires minimal prior knowledge, making it accessible to those familiar with basic algebra
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Motivated Proofs
Understanding the motivation behind proofs can make them more intuitive. One user pointed out that recognizing a right triangle as the union of two smaller similar triangles naturally leads to the conclusion that their areas add up to the area of the larger triangle, which is proportional to the square of the hypotenuse [2:1]. Another example involves using the concept of distance in (\mathbb{R}^2), where finding the distance between two points inherently relies on the Pythagorean theorem
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Innovative Approaches
Some discussions explored novel approaches to proving the theorem. For instance, one user proposed using logarithmic spirals within squares to demonstrate the relationship between the sides of a right triangle [1]. Another intriguing idea involved extending the theorem to non-right triangles and vectors by considering random paths and their interchangeability
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Historical and Modern Contributions
The theorem has been proven countless times throughout history, with contributions from famous thinkers like Einstein [2:6]. Recently, high school students have even discovered new proofs, showcasing the ongoing interest and potential for innovation in this area
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In summary, exploring various proofs of the Pythagorean theorem not only solidifies understanding but also highlights the creativity and diversity in mathematical problem-solving.
Consider three squares:
Within each square, construct a logarithmic spiral centered at one corner, filling the entire square. The spiral is defined in polar coordinates as r=r0e^(kθ) for a constant k. Each spiral’s maximum radius is equal to the side length of its respective square. Next, we define a transformation T that maps the spirals from squares Qa and Qb into the spiral in Qc while preserving area.
For each point in Qa, define:
Ta(r,θ)=((c/a)r,θ).
For each point in Qb, define:
Tb(r,θ)=((c/b)r,θ).
This transformation scales the radial coordinate while preserving the angular coordinate.
Thus, T is a bijection.
dA=r dr dθ.
Applying the transformation:
dA′=r′ dr′ dθ=((c/a)r)((c/a)dr)dθ=(c²/a²)r dr dθ.
Similarly, for Qb:
dA′=(c²/b²)r dr dθ.
Summing over both squares:
((c²/a²)a²)+((c²/b²)b²)=c². (Sorry about the unnecessary parentheses; I think it makes it easier to read. Also, I can't figure out fractions on reddit. Or subscript.)
Since a²+b²=c², the total mapped area matches Qc, proving area preservation.
Does it work? And if it does, is it actually original? Thanks.
((c²/a²)a²)+((c²/b²)b²)= 2c²?
Am I missing something?
It has thousands of proofs to be sure. But often when one encounters a proof, even when knowing its deductive logical validity, one still does not understand how a human might think up of it in the first place, i.e. the motivations behind a proof.
With the motivations in place, all else follows; it is much easier to recall and produce your own proofs. I think it will be a great advance in mathematical pedagogy if textbooks were to be forced to include motivations for every definition and proof.
To show that an isosceles right triangle with side length 1 has hypotenuse sqrt(2), you can put 4 copies of it together corner-to-corner, which gives you a square, and since each triangle has area 1/2 the square has area 2. So the side length must be sqrt(2).
Attempting to generalize this pretty quickly leads you to the "Behold!" proof.
Finding distance between two points in R^(2).
You have it backward. The distance formula in R^(2) follows from the Pythagorean theorem, not the other way around.
Oops, I read the question wrong. I meant you would think of proving something like Pythagoras if you had the problem of finding out the distance between two points in R2 at hand.
Here is my favorite math video, and my favorite proof of the Pythagorean theorem, courtesy of Barry Mazur. The argument is unforgettable.
As soon as I learned of the statement of the theorem, I noticed it is obvious that a right triangle is the union of two smaller right triangles and all three are similar. Therefore the areas satisfy A+B=C. The area is proportional to the hypotenuse squared hence a^2 + b^2 = c^2 where a,b,c are the corresponding hyotenuses.
I later heard that people attribute this proof to this or that famous thinker, it seems obvious that one area is the sum of the other two and all three are similar though.
In high school I read this proof was from einstein. Wikipedia agrees and cites the same book. The exact same proof is in elements I believe.
> The exact same proof is in elements I believe.
Interesting.
Ooooh, I hadn't heard of this proof before! Thank you for sharing that.
Hint what it is: >!The Pythagorean Theorem. a^(2) + b^(2) = c^(2)!<
Hint how to prove it: >!Find two ways to calculate the area of the big square and set them equal.!<
I love this because
F. Scott Fitzgerald wrote "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function." I wish we all had that ability, but maybe it is rare. In which case it's all the more important to keep it in practice.
I don't really see what this has to do with giftedness. What is your point? I don't think the ability to see the proof has anything to do with the ability to hold opposing ideas in your mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. Divergent thinking would be involved in coming up with this proof, but understanding it is straightforward for someone with a mathematics background imo.
Tis fun
Like argand diagram proof that infinite roots of unity converge to 0. etc etc
(And apparently I'm not gifted enough to get the image to show in the preview instead of a link. ☹️)
/r/humblebrag
A nice piece of work on someone's part.
I love your way of thinking <3
This was the first proof of Pythagoras identity that I understood.
Explore Pythagoras theorem using infinitesimal random paths and extend it to non right-angled triangles and N vectors. When we travel displacement A and B, the outcome is the same as travelling displacement C. However, it is the process of doing so that is distinct. Randomness blurs the boundaries and makes them indistinguishable. with randomess, both the process and the outcome is the same So randomly travelling C is the same thing as randomly travelling A and B., provided they are interchangable. Interchangability provides completeness and there is no ambiguity, which allows the equation to hold.
Full paper: https://github.com/zeasen/Bithagoras/blob/main/The%20Human%20Flaw.pdf%20(2).pdf
Its more of a pedagogical view on Pythagoras theorem, how can I improve the clarity?
A better way to visualize is to take the random paths of A and B and overlay them over each other. You will get the random paths of C. There is no fixed starting or end point, they are pure displacements.
Two high school students from Louisiana have just found a new proof of the Pythagorean Theorem. I reverse engineer the proof from a couple of pictures we have from their conference talk. It's fun!
What about this? https://www.cut-the-knot.org/pythagoras/TrigProof.shtml
Not the same proof, but looks interesting. I guess there have been proofs using trigonometry since Loomis’ time.
Something that blurb doesn’t mention is that all the identities can really follow from differential equations
is it in here? https://www.cut-the-knot.org/pythagoras/
Great link, but no, it does not appear in there
Given that proofs of Pythagoras' theorem have been being discussed recently, what are people's favorite overly complicated proofs using advanced mathematics?
There's a lovely example here on math.stackexchange.
What's the most advanced mathematics that can be used to prove Pythagoras?
A proof I saw somewhere: if you integrate 2sin(x)cos(x) in two different ways (using a u-substitution with either u = sin(x) or u = cos(x)), you get sin^(2)(x)+C1 on one hand and -cos^(2)(x)+C2 on the other, which shows that sin^(2)(x) + cos^(2)(x) = constant. By plugging in x = 0 we see that the constant must be 1.
Is it circular? I think integrating sin or cos may rely on Pythagoras
The usual proofs for the derivatives (and hence the formulas for the antiderivatives) of sin and cos do involve the Pythagorean Theorem, but I know of at least one proof that does not: see pp.52-53 in The Calculus For the Practical Man (1931) by J.E. Thompson. It has a clever use of differentials that you don't see in modern texts. Lots of gems in that book, which is what Richard Feynman used to teach himself calculus. I can see why he liked it, and I'd say it's better than virtually all the modern calculus texts.
So here is one that I came up with myself: you can use the fact that the alternating binomial coefficients add to zero to show that the power series of sin^2 x and cos^2 x have only one non-vanishing term when added together.
Can you actually get the Taylor series without using the Pythagorean theorem somewhere?
Maybe we want to use the Taylor series as our definition of sin(x) and cos(x)!
You can also get the Taylor series by the existence and uniqueness for initial value problems in differential equations
I doubt it, since the usual method for proving that the derivative of the sine is the cosine uses geometry. No derivatives, no series.
At best, it would be a very easy corollary of what you have to show along the way.
I have discovered a truly complicated proof of Pythagoras' theorem, which this margin is too narrow to contain.
There’s a really interesting proof of the Pythagorean theorem using dimensional analysis and Buckingham Pi theorem
I love this one! Here's a version of it that I wrote a few years ago that uses so differential equations too https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UnNAh47FomaQexrdM9QPOgOAgj-Mv2ki/view?usp=drivesdk
We first observe that any quantum field theory that hopes to eventually incorporate general relativity must have equations of motions that are infinitesimally Poincare invariant. We know prove that up to scaling there is exactly one norm induced metric which suffices this, namely the one where if a und b are orthogonal vectors with length |a| and |b|, then a+b has length
|a+b|^2 = |a|^2 + |b|^2 .
This may be a similar idea to the Achilles and the tortoise paradox, but with right triangles. Assume you have a right triangle with two sides of length 1. Pythagorean theorem says the hypotenuse is length root 2. However, if you divide the hypotenuse into steps, you start with one step up length 1 and one step over length 1, for a total distance of 2 (i.e. a square). If you double the steps you get 2 steps up length 1/2 and 2 steps over length 1/2, for total distance of 2 again. If you decrease the step size to dx and dy, you end up with 2*(inf/inf)=2 distance. How do you get from this to the actual hypotenuse length of root 2?
The issue is that your staircase curve doesn't approximate the hypotenuse, not in the way you would need to for the arc length to match. It is always going the wrong direction, 45 degrees off. It does stay close to the hypotenuse, but where your curve is has little bearing on how long it is.
It works if you approximate with segments that have both endpoints on the curve you are trying to approximate, or that are tangent to the curve you are trying to approximate. More generally it works if your curve not only converges to the limit curve, but its derivatives also converge to the derivative of the limit curve, since arc length is computed from that derivative.
The same phenomenon appears in other settings as well. Look up the "Schwarz lantern" for a version involving surface area instead of length.
Thanks, I didn't know what to call it. Honestly, most of the comments in that thread confused me even more except for one. It said that while the step size changes, the proportions don't. I suppose this means that when the step sizes are infinitesimal, there are an infinite amount of triangles, each with an infinitesimal amount of error. These add up to the actual difference.
While that helps my understanding, I'm still not totally sure I'm convinced why it's like that. A couple comments mentioned length being discontinuous, but the explanation of that went over my head. I only got to college differential equations, so could you explain it more simply?
It's just an unfortunate fact of life that two curves may be very close to each other but their respective lengths are not close. You've constructed an example of this. If the two curves are close to each other in a way that the directions (derivatives) at nearby points are also close, then yes, the lengths will be close. So it's the sudden changes of direction of your staircase that's behind the difference in length.
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Hello Reditors, this is my proof of the theorem. I would like to ask if this is original. Open to any tips and suggestions!
how do you prove Brahmagupta's formula? It is usually proven by cosine law which is proven by Pythagorean theorem
https://www.cut-the-knot.org/Generalization/Brahmagupta.shtml I think this is a proof of Brahmagupta formula using only Heron's Formula (I am not sure)
A proof of Heron's formula without Pythagorean Theorem: http://users.math.uoc.gr/~pamfilos/Yiu.pdf
Looks nice. I like it. I have two questions though. Why 2a, 2b and 2c? What would go wrong with a, b and c? And when you drop perpendiculars to FC, doesnt it create a right angle a E and D?
Labeling them as 2a,2b,2c is a habit of mine and a bad one... I forget to mention the right angles! Thank you so much!
Looks great! I don’t know anything about its novelty, but I can offer a couple items to clean up for the proof:
Thank you for the tips! I will bear that in mind!
It’s basically Al kashi applied in a right triangle
So, not a new proof?
I haven't followed every step of your argument. I did notice, though, that at one point you use the formula for the sine of the sum; I mention this to say that it is not entirely clear which hypotheses you are using. You are clearly not using "just Euclid's axioms and the definition of the trigonometric functions".
More importantly, though, the argument is unnecessarily convoluted. Already from the graph in your second page (second circle in the first picture) you know from the big triangle that (calling the angle t, I have formatting troubles with 𝜃)
sec t / (tan t + cot t) = sin t.
Simplifying this you get directly that sin^(2) t + cos^(2) t = 1.
This is the place to mention that the whole "trigonometric proof of the Pythagorean Theorem" thing was absolutely blown out of proportion by the press, with totally fallacious titles like "The proof that mathematicians considered impossible". It was nice that those two students came up with some ideas, but it was not a big thing at all.
I mean, it absolutely was a new proof of the Pythagorean theorem. It wasn't one that necessarily follows the usual rules since it involved limits, and of course there are over 100 known fundamentally different proofs already, but it certainly wasn't a proof anyone had ever come up with before.
I did not see in your notes there "therefore a^2+b^2=c^2" which I thought was what you were proving.
However, to cut to the chase of my critique on this ...
at which point does this proof fail for non euclidean geometry?
Since the general form of this is actually 𝛼a^2 + 𝛽b^2 + 𝛾ab = c^2, clearly there must be some point in here were you explicitly use a Euclidean axiom. I believe that you still have not been clear about your axioms and I strongly suspect implicit use of intuition from one of the diagrams. But, the answer to the above two concerns would go a long way to making me happy about it. It would show me that you have a handle on the structure and context of your proof.
I skimmed it. But, I am not able at this time to spend the time to untangle it. If you understood the proof and context, you could answer the question quickly. My question was aimed at discovering whether you actually understood what you were doing. At this point, it seems that you do not. If you can point out how the proof would fail for non Euclidean geometry, say on the surface of a sphere, this would go a long way to convincing me that further effort would be worth my time. Rhetoric will not get my attention.
Note: by "skimmed" I don't mean "glanced at without thought". I gave serious attention looking at the upper left for clearly stated axioms, but did not feel that I saw that. I looked at the bottom right for a clearly stated conclusion. I did not see that either. As an academic, I have good experience checking proofs. My first reaction was that this seems to be not a good proof - but not wishing to merely dismiss it, I asked a pertinant question that will help me to understand what you are are are not achieving. I am seriously spending time and effort on this because I believe in giving people a chance. I hope that clarifies.
This is the first time i have written down everything from axioms, assumptions to end result lol. I am still a high school student and i am not experienced with "real proof writing", so please if you still find any genuine mistakes or flaw in my reasoning, please correct me. This is, In my opinion a novel and rigorous proof, but if you still do find any mistakes or flaws, tell me.
This proof is literally only based on the axioms of the euclidean geometry and the definitions of trigonometric functions, which were defined as the ratio of sides of triangle. If i have to summarize what makes this proof possible, like why does this work? then my answer would be, "because cotx = 1/tanx".
If you are confused about the scaling, then i suggest you draw a circle of radius c, and then do the exact same thing that i did on the 3rd page, you'd get a result with a scaling factor of c, and now just carefully do the manipulations i did at the last line of the 3rd page, and you'd get the result you might be familiar with
a^(2) + b^(2) = c^(2)
Hey bud, I've seen your posts. You are likely getting hit w lots of comments from toxic ppl. That's what happens on the web, sadly. The whole bellcurve is out here interacting with each other, and many people lack emotional maturity, social maturity, and empathy. So, try not to let all the negativity get to you. Some people just don't deserve a reply, and in fact should get blocked.
That said, there is some useful feedback coming your way as well:
Learn "LaTeX".
Go Google it, and get into it. For real, you are clearly passionate about geometry and math in general... and becoming more familiar with that software will help you interact w your peers w great efficiency.
For example, almost no one wants to squint their eyes to try and read your scribbles. No offense is meant, your handwriting isn't terrible... but pen writing technically is scribbling, and it's not easy to read or translate into other languages. Lots of people might like your work/proof, but if you can't cascade the information to them easily, then maybe your message never gets out there.
The delivery of the information matters more than the information itself, sometimes.
Knowing your audience helps, too.
Anyway, good luck 👍
That's honestly such a great feedback. Thank you for writing it out. Although I know how to write latex, because i have been taking my math notes on anytype since 2 years and i am pretty much used to it. But the way i think about this is, if it is a pure geometric proof, then everything should be put out on the paper, using pure geometric constructions, figures, labels and try to be as natural and as geometric as possible. And the reason I try to compress all the information and entire proof in one or 2 pages is to avoid references and looking back at previous pages. I don't like it. Like, it's really frustrating. But i guess, now i need to change this small habit. I have seen some other geometric proofs papers, and they don't do that, so i will have to accept their standard from now on, will try.
Mathematician here. This is some great advice for OP, and it's communicated really well!
u/Ryoiki-Tokuiten I would add specifically learn to use TikZ. And if you're into a visual way of drawing figures, search for ipe, which is a great tool to draw geometric stuff and export it to a TikZ code that can be embedded in LaTeX.
Love this! As an engineering undergrad I can’t agree more. Keep it up 👍
Somebody needs to TeX it. Lovely handwriting, but it feels like the whole thing might profit from being spread across 5-10 pages instead of three.
Or at least markdown with LaTeΧ equations
Hin I think I found a proof for the Pythagorean Theorem. I tried uploading to math but it wouldn't let me. Anyways, here's my proof. It was inspired by James Garfield.
Is there a simpler way of doing this? Draw a square of side length L x L. Divide each side L into lengths a and b, flipping back and forth between a and b as you move around the square.
Draw another square from the points where a and b meet along the length of L. This square will have side length c.
Now you have 4 identical right triangles with side lengths a and b and hypotenuse c, and a square in the middle with side length c. The area of the whole thing, LxL = (a+b)(a+b) = a^2 + 2ab + b^2. The area of the 4 triangles equals ab/2 x 4 = 2ab. The area of the central square equals c^2.
Subtracting the 4 triangles from the larger square should give you the area of the smaller square. So a^2 + 2ab + b^2 - 2ab = c^2 simplifies to a^2 + b^2 = c^2.
Yes, that's indeed another method of doing it. Great job :). The method you are describing is called the Zhoubi Suanjing or the Gougu Diagram. You can even use Bhaskara's II method for find the area of the square inside by subtracting b-a. It was created by Chinese Mathematicians: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhoubi_Suanjing
https://math-physics-problems.fandom.com/wiki/Gougu_Diagram
It is a very amazing proof!!! It was even made before Euclid's proof, but not before Pythagoras's own proof. Although there's no evidence of Pythagoras's proof, I believe it is written in the history books that he had his own proof. Meaning that people said Pythagoras had proof, but there is no documented record.
I will always support creative mathing. I want to encourage your continued studies in the field.
Thank you so much!!! :). Appreciate it!!
Maybe you could make a Zoom video of this, like you explaining how you argue this and then put it on YouTube as like a time capsule. Then look at it again after a year or two and see what you think.
Cool proof. Just one feedback I'd really want to give: please have your final proof a little neater, having these scribbles on random parts of the proof may confuse people. But aside from that, cool work!
interesting
Thanks haha. Appreciate it. The only similar proof that I found was Proof #51 that uses rotation to get close to my proof. Here I'll link it here: https://www.cut-the-knot.org/pythagoras/ by Douglas Rogers and J. Elliot. I did go through some. Examples of the 300+ pythagorean proofs, but didn't find any more similar. Tho. I only went through some. Somebody that teaches math history is better suited for the job tho. So, hopefully it's new. I did rediscover it for the most part lol. Btw: professor claims to solve the twin prime conjecture yesterday. We waiting to see if it's true!!!! Go check that out too!!
What is the twin prime conjecture? I'm just a junior high school student, I don't know it
That or we need Eleftherios Argyropoulos in the comments.
Proof seems flawless. Good job!
proof of the Pythagorean theorem
Key Considerations for Understanding the Pythagorean Theorem Proof
Theorem Statement: The Pythagorean theorem states that in a right triangle, the square of the length of the hypotenuse (c) is equal to the sum of the squares of the lengths of the other two sides (a and b). Mathematically, it is expressed as: [ c^2 = a^2 + b^2 ]
Geometric Proofs: There are numerous geometric proofs of the Pythagorean theorem. One of the most famous is the square proof, where you construct a square on each side of the triangle and show that the area of the larger square (on the hypotenuse) equals the sum of the areas of the two smaller squares.
Algebraic Proofs: You can also prove the theorem using algebra. For example, by using the distance formula in a coordinate system, you can derive the relationship between the sides of the triangle.
Visual Aids: Diagrams can significantly help in understanding the proof. Drawing squares on each side of the triangle and labeling the areas can clarify how the areas relate to each other.
Historical Context: The theorem has been known for thousands of years, with proofs dating back to ancient civilizations, including the Babylonians and Greeks.
Recommendation: If you're looking to explore proofs in depth, consider starting with the geometric proof using squares, as it provides a clear visual representation. You can also check out resources like interactive geometry software (e.g., GeoGebra) to visualize the theorem and its proofs dynamically.
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