I felt this 100,000%. I love vampires, I’ve consistently felt let down by the latest trend in Black horror, I was fully prepared to HATE this movie. Loved every second.

you're probably a horror veteran - i wasn't impressed. started off strong but ya it dragged and the story was rather bland.

Agreed. Enjoyed it and would rewatch it but the absolute CRAZE that followed was just not reflective of how good the movie actually was. Even still I’d probably say it’s the sorta blockbuster we should strive for.. I’ll take another dozen Sinners and 28 Years Later type blockbusters that’re thematically heavy and divisive than another Marvel blockbuster ATP.

Yeah the characters had more depth in dusk till dawn, sinners just felt manufactured, like it was ai written lol.

Yup. It was “meh” but we are so starved for interesting horror movies that it gets overrated. And not forgetting the blatant ripoff it is of From Dusk til Dawn.

I’m with you. My main criticism is that the movie opens with the story of musicians who can pierce the veil between worlds. To summon spirits past and present, who presumedly also have that power.

Then it’s confirmed halfway through the movie in one of the best scenes of the year.

Then it’s never brought back. They defeat the vampires by normal, boring means. I don’t know how he should have brought it back, but so much importance was put on it for nothing to come of it.

That’s why it felt half-finished to me.

Yeah there are a few of us - I thought it was well made but deficient in characters and plot. I do appreciate that it was different.

🤮 people actually believe Dusk till Dawn was good lmfao

Tarantino himself knew that was a stinker. It's why he didnt direct it. It's also why he filmed a documentary during the movie as a backup plan. The script literally reads like a 12 year old wrote it and it has all the depth of that level of writing. It's also shot like hot garbage in comparison to Sinners and its not even remotely close. That ugly aged early 2000s CGI. The cringe ass "we got p***y" intro. Clooney's terrible tribal tattoo. The openly atrocious acting despite an all star cast. The complete lack of dramatic impact of anything that happens. Why someone would hold this up as a standard, let alone use it to dismiss a clearly technically and thematically superior piece of cinema is beyond me.

But if you wanted to get really technical, Dusk till Dawn is a rip off of Assault on Precinct 13 which is itself a ripoff of Rio Bravo. The entire idea that anyone stole ideas from anyone is extremely moot.

Definitely not horror, more long-form crime procedural but a career-best performance from Bill Pullman.

Crime, mystery, drama, and violence. But not a horror film.

I haven’t watched the second season yet but I loved the first season. It had some moments that were a little cringeworthy but overall it was great. It’s a why dunnit series instead of the usual who dunnit.

Without giving much away it’s mostly macabre mystery stuff with heavy violence.

Think True Detective season one meets The Night Of.

If you haven’t seen either of those watch them after you binge The Sinner.

The first series was phenomenal. Not horror at all but great. I've enjoyed the second series. Not as much as the first but definitely enjoyable. Again, not horror. Definitely worth watching IMO

She was cool, but i feel like in a movie drenched in so much symbolism it's hard to ignore the part of her being the one who let's the vampires in to consume the black people. I understand the cultural context of that statement, but seems oddly meanspirited for the film

I like how they tied his Irish past (oppression and erasure of his culture by the British) into his motivation, and how he relates to black people because of it. At first I assumed he would just be a white supremacist but he was trying to build something bigger, even seemed to despise white supremacists.

Don't get me wrong, he's still evil.

This is if we, the audience, choose to believe him. Everything he said could have been a lie, could have been the total truth. Though they go really hard on Rocky Road to Dublin which I loved and made me not doubt the vampire until thinking about it later. It could have just as well been assimilated knowledge and not longing for his previous lived experience.

I really liked how he jumped into the story (and onto the screen) with little exposition, and no how or why. It worked great. Same the moment of magic in Annie's shack. We don't have to dwell on it or have it explained.

The vampire gang's siren song was great. It would have been tempting. The story isn't criticizing who and what got co-opted by America at large or assimilated by force, but showing the struggle of maintaining a groups own original thing done for their sake.

I felt like there was hundreds of years worth of backstory for Remmick and I was only getting bits and pieces. They did such a good job making him feel truly ancient in a way that a lot of pop culture vampires don’t.

I especially love when his accent slips around the midway point.

I love a villain that kind of has a point. It allows you to ask yourself if I were a poor black person living under those conditions in the Jim Crow south.. would I have willingly turned? Would I have not at least heard him out?

I didn't even notice that as a trope reversal. Loved her, probably the most terrifying and heartening shot is her charred corpse. Probably the most visceral moment for me

I think it’s a really interesting take on how even supposedly well-meaning white allies can erase/twist black culture to their own ends too. It’s not lost on me that Rennic is Irish, a people who experienced settler-colonialism themselves and became integrated into the UK and who are traditionally staunch allies of underrepresented groups. By the end I agree with you that I think his intention wasn’t necessarily malicious, he was blinded by his vampirism and couldn’t grasp exactly how it erases individuals and their identities.

Continuing the proud tradition of The Wicker Man and blending horror and musical.

The music all around in Sinners was fantastic—the traditional blues and folk stuff just built such a good world and the music was part of telling the movie’s story.

It looked like the trailer gave way too much away, and Michael B. Jordan is hardly a good enough actor (imo) when he’s playing just a single character let alone his “twin” or whatever. I’m glad we’re back into vampire genres though—the more things change, the more we’re gonna keep trawling the same dark waters of the collective consciousness.

Seeing it tonight. Kinda have high hopes considering most of Coogler’s films have been tied to a massive IP. So I wanna see it do well and see him kinda flex his own creativity, but can’t say I’m not skeptical.

I’m hard-pressed to think of another movie in recent memory that juggled so many different tones so well. It can flip from silly to scary on a dime.

Also maybe has one of the most moving and beautiful takes on the power of music that I've seen in film in a long time. THAT one scene had me in tears, chills through my body...I can tell so much love for Black music history went into this film. 

Thought it was fun & left mulling over lots of ideas. Plus lots of box eating. Perfect cinematic experience.

Only child Eskimo into death metal?

My movie of the year last year was I Saw The TV Glow. So far, Sinners is my movie of the year this year.

Both are about experiences I can’t directly relate to (being trans, being black or a musician or a vampire), but both moved me a ton.

And my kid who is both biracial (adopted but was told was white until she requested a DNA test) and non binary and we had a blast at both, but especially Sinners. The soundtrack has been going in our house since we got out of the movie.

How the scene with Mary & Remmick ended outside had me jump. I wasn’t expecting it and the sudden cut. It was filmed perfectly.

The hype lowered your expectations?

"Sammie!!"

This one and Fréwaka (set in Ireland) are my favorites of the year so far!

Did you stay till after the mid credits!?! I loved that scene.

It's not really much like Dexter at all, but it was a really good story/plot in my opinion. Worth a watch, but if you're not into it after the first three or four episodes, you probably won't be into it by the end.

It is not a serial killer story like a normal one but if you like psychological mysteries you will like this.

Yes. It was a good show, enjoyable and I’m looking forward to the next season coming on Netflix.

Season 1 is, don't waste your time on season 2.

Yes, definitely good.

I liked the first and second season much more than the third. I really wanted to like the third season too because I like Matt Bomer, but it was just ok.

I agree with your friend. I liked the first season but didn’t like the other 2.

No i don’t agree with your friend. Give it a watch.

I wouldn't be as drastic as your friend, but I do agree that season 1 is clearly the best of them.

The first one is the best, in my opinion. The third one is better than the second. But all pretty decent

If you havent already seen, Sharp Objects is a new show which reminds me alot of The Sinner. Something to watch while waiting for season 2

Great show! Just binged on Netflix. Great cast, solid acting, twists & turns all done in with good cinematography. Honestly, best thing I’ve seen on Netflix since Ozark.

Omg. I binge-watched this show today with my friends on a whim and wow I loved it so much! Yes, that scene and the bone-crushing scene were SO hard to watch. Also the sis-sest... ugh honestly one of the most disturbing any of us has watched. We were so intrigued the whole way through, and were excited to hear that there will be a season 2 soon.

I haven't been able to get into Netflix show in a while because I just found it too overwhelming, so I've been sticking to youtube. But this show makes me want to look for shows in the same vein/ caliber. Open to suggestions!

Wow.

I just finished the show as well in two sittings. Phenomenal show. I would put it up there as a more straight forward True Detective Season 1. It was fantastic and and Beil crushed it.

Same. Started last night, finished just 10 mins ago. It was actually a satisfying ending. Loved the show so much.