Burgundy
Burgundy is often highlighted for its exceptional wines, particularly Pinot Noir and Chardonnay. The region's terroir is renowned for producing complex and interesting wines with notes of dirt, leather, and mushrooms [4:2]. Burgundy is considered a special treat by many wine enthusiasts, with Chambolle Musigny being a favorite sub-region
[4:3]. While the wines can be pricey, they are highly regarded for their quality and depth
[1].
Rhône Valley
The Rhône Valley is divided into Northern and Southern regions, each offering unique wine experiences. The Northern Rhône is known for prestigious appellations like Côte-Rôtie and Hermitage, while the Southern Rhône offers more accessible options such as Châteauneuf-du-Pape and Gigondas [1:1],
[2:1]. The region is praised for its variety and affordability, making it appealing to both novice and seasoned wine drinkers
[2:1]. The Rhône Valley is also noted for its beautiful landscapes and tourist-friendly wineries
[3:3].
Loire Valley
The Loire Valley is celebrated for its diverse range of wine styles, including red, white, and sparkling wines, all at reasonable prices [4:10]. The region is also known for its stunning châteaux and picturesque scenery, making it a popular destination for wine tours
[5:1],
[5:7]. The accessibility of the Loire Valley via public transportation adds to its appeal for travelers
[3:2].
Alsace
Alsace is recognized for its beautiful landscapes and unique blend of French and German cultures [1:6]. The region is famous for its white wines, particularly Rieslings and Gewürztraminers, which are often bone dry and offer excellent value
[2:2]. Alsace's proximity to Strasbourg makes it an attractive option for visitors seeking both wine and cultural experiences
[3:2].
Champagne
Champagne is synonymous with luxury and celebration, offering some of the finest sparkling wines in the world. While the price point can be high, the experience of visiting Champagne and enjoying its renowned bubbly is unmatched [2:2]. The region is easily accessible from Paris, making it a convenient choice for travelers
[3:2].
These regions each offer something unique, whether it's the complexity of Burgundy wines, the diversity and affordability of the Rhône and Loire Valleys, the scenic beauty of Alsace, or the celebratory nature of Champagne. Depending on your preferences, any of these regions could provide a memorable wine-tasting experience.
I live in the french alps... 2-3 hours from Burgundy, Beaujolais, Jaro, Southern Rhône valley, and northern Rhone valley. One hour from Savoie.
My dad is coming to visit and I'd like to take him to a beautiful place with plenty of domains that offer wine tasting. We both like fruity reds. Does anyone have a particular town or region they recommend for good wine, nice scenery, and tourist friendly domains/château?
I've been to the Beaune area already and the wine is unreal... But also pricy. I'm curious if anyone did a wine route close to Montélimar or in Beaujolais ? Are there any towns worth visiting. Are there any domains in particular that completely blew you always? Thanks :)
Morgon, Fleurie, southern Rhone (the area around Chateaneuf) all fit your requirements. Have fun.
Southern Rhône also has the Luberon Valley right there which, if I do say, is chefs kiss.
Seconded. I went to both north and south Rhône this summer, it was incredible. Spent a few days in both.
North: Cote-Rotie, Saint Joseph, Condrieu, and hermitage South: Luberon, Provence, CdP, gigondas, and Vacqueryas
All were fantastic!
We just got back from the southern Rhone and the wines and wineries (and food) were outstanding as well as the people who were extremely gracious.
What towns were you in?
Avignon, St Remy, and Cassis. Took daytrips as well as engaged a local tour guide for more of a focused winery experience.
We stayed in Avignon and visited CdP, vacqueyras, gigondas, nimes, seguret and baumes de venise and it was awesome.
Burgundy for wine. Alsace for views. Rhone for tourism and wine. Champagne would be my choice.
Alsace is great beautiful landscapes, cozy old town where the wine yards have tasting rooms free of charge. The region is a mixture of France and Germany, that also is seen in the food but it's great anyway. The wines is mostly white single grape, but have a little pinot noir also in a lighter version. It's near Strassburg that is also worth a visit.
I love Alsace, and the decorations in December are so beautiful! Unfortunately it's just a bit too far for my dad whose only here a week :( but i do agree, for me it's the most underrated region in France, for both the wine and scenery!
Yeah made many trips with my parents especially so holds a special place in my heart.
Also province is breath taking beautiful in spring and summer, just not a big fan of the wines. Not sure of landscape in Winther.
Sounds like the Loire Valley that you're looking for. Plenty of fairy tale castles and wine domaines. Chinon, Bourgeuil and Sancerre should do it for you. Don't miss Chateau de Chambord.
I’ll admit that I adore Champagne but don’t often get it due to price point, but I love going and soaking in the bottles. If I want white wine more often than not Alsace, France. My favorites are the bone dry Rieslings (almost all are) which never fail to impress or completely change someone’s opinion of Riesling, as well as Pinot Gris, Gewurtztraminer and some fantastic bang for your buck Crémant. Mosel, Germany is the other go to for Riesling but the Finger Lakes in upstate NY could become truly great quite soon. Sommeliers often have an obsession with Rieslings, and I encourage everyone to find out why.
For reds I love Piedmont. Barbera d’Alba and Dolcetto d’Alba are so delicious, and of course Barolo. My issue with Barolo is that for it to become that true magic, it’s got to be aged a while and I am tempted to spend way too much, but that’s more of a “me” issue.
Lastly, I wanted to say that this is a great question. Thanks for posting it.
You are welcome. I’m not sure why either but, as a fellow somm, my list of wines I genuinely like a lot more than others would be exactly what you just said. In fact most of the other somms I know are like that. Weird.
I have tell you though, if you’ve had Finger Lakes, then you need to try some [Northern] Michigan wines. There are a number of good wineries down there that are making some killer wine, but they also make gallon upon gallon of garbage wine. Up here however, we have mostly good to exceptional winemakers, who I feel might have a few more tricks up their sleeve in the cellar than the guys in the Lake Michigan Shore AVA.
My advice? Find a bottle of Riesling (usually a dry, semi-dry, and late harvest) that says “Old Mission Peninsula” or “Leelanau Peninsula” as the AVA. Some producers up here have off-dry bottles as well. Favorites and/or consistently high quality would be:
Left Foot Charley (this is the wizard of the slightly under-ripe grape. Stellar dry Riesling, gewurz, Blaufrankisch, Bubbly, it’s all there) Black Star Farms (generally their reserve wines are the best, but their regular dry Riesling won the entire Canberra competition, so who knows) Mari Vineyards (Reds and rieslings. And yes, these are the guys from “The Curse Of Oak Island”) Chateau Grand Traverse (their reserve wines can be awesome, especially the Block 12) Bry’s Estate (One of two South African winemakers on Old Mission peninsula and they make awesome whites and age able reds) 2Lads (The second South African on the peninsula, though I believe he might be working elsewhere. Pinots, Cab Franc, Riesling and Chard)
L. Mawby (Makers of the rose bubbly with an orange label called “Sex”. The three Master Sommeliers for my intro exam [Wayne Belding, Sally Mohr, and Ron Edwards] said “Lawrence Mawby is making sparkling wines that would rival the best of the French”) Shady Lane Bluestone bigLITTLE Brengman Brothers Bel Lago
It's no secret (if you've seen any of the Flight Club posts I've done) that I love Côte-Rôtie. I have very few preferences when it comes to that wine, because I find it all that super annoying combo of interesting/useful learning tool/delicious that gets you every time. At the moment, Côte-Rôtie, and the whole of the northern Rhone really, would be serious contenders for my desert island wine.
2004 Georges Verney Côte-Rôtie "Blonde du Seig eur"
Lately I've been tasting a TON of good white burgundies because of a collector friend who has basically a lifetime supply of premier and Grand Cru Burgundy, enough he could be drunk all day, every day, for the rest of his life on it.
I love the wines, don't get me wrong, but they're missing something in the equation. I'm certain it has to do with my love of fruitier whites and savory reds, and usually not the other way around.
This one though. They say "Côte-Rôtie is the Burgundy of the Rhone", and they are right.
Ok first, let's talk about that price. That was, legit, what I paid for it. Update your prices folks! Inflation is a BITCH on your margins, people.
The wine was phenomenal. I had this around 2016, and the 12 years had done the wine some wonderful favors. To start, the acid was well toned down to a less insane level, and though there was some fruitiness there, it wasn't obnoxious. The wine itself was quite light, especially considering it was cofermented with viognier. (A winemaker friend explained the chemistry, but all I remember is that syrah has 1.5 of a particular pigment molecule, and viognier has the other .5, therefore it actually makes the wine darker when you coferment.) But the nose and the palate were just heavenly. Dried cranberry and dried cherry, tobacco (cigars), violets, smoked salmon strangely, and that wonderful leathery pepper. Time had toned down (at least a little) the grape tannins which I imagine were quite high, so it was a very smooth Côte-Rôtie, especially with the viognier.
All in all, a tremendous wine to drink, at a killer price.
Crus de Beaujolais. Nothing fancy, just what wine should taste like. Usually no trace of oak, or a tad. Just the fruit. Goes well with simple fare, charcuterie, or a nice organic roast chicken with herbs, even a burger. Low alcohol %, perfect for the week.
I feel like Cru Beaujolais is the best, most affordable example of terroir-driven wine you can find. Some of the crus carry some insane complexity that you wouldn't normally expect from gamay. I just squirreled away a magnum of Sunier Morgon that was on closeout that I plan to sit on as long as I can muster.
Morgon FTW!
So I randomly got invited to a last minute Beaujolais tasting last night. I've tried examples of almost all the different crus, but never side by side. They weren't all represented, but there was a huge cross section of different crus, winemakers and styles there. Biggest surprise was the Foillard and Thevenet Morgons next to each other. Despite the same vintage & appellation they couldn't be more different. The Foillard was broad and powerful, silky and rich with a backbone of tight animal funk and earth. The Thevenet was much more linear and focused, abundant red fruit, lively acidity, just danced. The Debouef stuff was all real elegant and put the fruit on full display, I think the Fleurie was the standout for me. The Thevin Cote de Brouilly was another one, just laser focused.
German Rieslings ��
Mosel or Rheingau? Pfalz or Rheinhessen? Or maybe Nähe? It is a wide field :-)
Personally I’m very classically partial to Mosel, not withstanding interesting stuff coming from the ‘newer’ regions
This was my EXTREMELY close second. Also evident in the flight club wines, lol.
Southern Rhone. It's got a ton of crazy good wines at budget prices, expensive fancy stuff, and on the whole it has something for everybody. They tend to be simple enough for novices to enjoy, with enough depth for the seasoned wino to think about. Fruit forward with plenty of earth on the back end.
And you can find it in most grocery stores thanks to e. Guigal.
I'm planning a trip for when travel is safe again, and would like to spend a day or two on a wine tour of France. My initial instinct was to spend this time in the Burgandy or Bordeaux, but have also heard great things about the smaller towns in Eastern France, closer to Strasbourg. Virtually nothing has been planned as far as details go, so any recommendations are appreciated.
If it's a toss up between different locations, I guess some things to note are that we'd be ideally using public transportation to travel, so accessibility is a factor. A second consideration is that from a cultural perspective, the "small, off the beaten tracks" concept is most appealing to us, but we'd happily give this up for the best wine. Third, for accessibility sake, we ideally would be using a tour company. Finally, we'd like to find a balance between quality wine and experience, and cost.
Anyone with experience would be greatly appreciated! We've spent hours looking through various reviews and just can't make up our mind.
Loire is definitely the most accessible, it also happens to have spectacular variety of wine styles and it’s absolutely gorgeous.
Alsace/Champagne are both incredible if you can get the right visits, bonus points for Alsace being one of the most beautiful places on earth. It’s also relatively easy to do Paris > Champagne > Alsace by car or train.
Southern Rhône & Provence - lots to see, great weather, and amazing wine to boot. Really liked Avignon, Nîmes and Aix-en-Provence. Easy to rent a car to see the surrounding wine areas - could even drive up the Rhône and check out the Northern Rhône vineyards + Lyon, which is very charming and has amazing food.
If you’re using public transit there’s reasonably reliable trains and local buses depending on which city you call your home base.
I enjoyed hanging out in the Loire valley quite a bit. Some of those Chateaux are pretty cool.
Well, I went to Alsace and it was so awesome that my son was born 9 months later.
I was planning to head there later this year until covid. I have always loved Alsace wines and the region looks so cool. What places would you recommend for when I actually make it there.
I think this really depends on your preferences with respect to wine. I really enjoyed visiting Arbois (we just tasted at the Tissot and Domaine de la Pinte public tasting rooms in town, no visits scheduled), but the wines are somewhat polarizing. Arbois is easily accessible via train from Lyon which has a fantastic restaurant and wine scene, and is close to other great regions aside from the Jura.
Bordeaux, Burgundy, Beaujolais, Champagne, Rhone, Loire, Provence, Alsace, Languedoc.
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Which one and why?
Burgundy, without question, and in Burgundy, Chambolle Musigny.
The terroir shines through to an extent I haven’t experienced with any other region. They’re just so interesting, every single time. Dirt, leather, mushrooms… it’s just beyond reproach.
I was Vosne-Romanee, but have also move to Chambolle Musigny as my favorite.
You hit the key reasons why.
I deeply love French wine. All of it. But if I had to pick ONE then it would be burgundy. It’s like a special treat to me. For reds anyway. Burgundian Chardonnay I have on an almost weekly basis. But a burgundy Pinot noir… that’s for the really bad days at work and the happy celebratory dinners
Red Burgundy is one of the few wines, or perhaps only, with which I can easily down a bottle on my own, no problem (and no side effects). It just feels right for my body: the lightness and elegance of the wine. So drinkable. I love heavy, powerful, tannic Bordeaux as well, but am usually happy to stop after the second class unless it’s a superlative wine. And for whites, Meursault is amazing, but it’s a once every few months splurge. If I could find it for $30-40, I’d probably drink it every week.
I love meursault. If I’m spending more than usual on Chardonnay then it’s always either meursault or chassagne-Montrachet. Normally though I find myself sticking to the village wines that I can snag for $15-25. Like I said that’s my weekly drinker. I love Bordeaux dearly, so I’m there with you
For red, there is value to be had in the villages of Santenay, Maranges and Auxey-Duresses. For white, there are small quantities of Santenay blanc as well as St. Romain and Chablis. Chablis Premier Cru still represents this best value in high end white burgundy.
There really is something so different about it. I also feel like every bottle has such a story from the producer, the village, the vintage, the vineyard. There is really nothing like it anywhere.
Loire- good red, white, and sparkling all under $30
Hands down my favorite. Their whites may get all the glory, but they do wonders with Cabernet franc
Same. It helps that Muscadet sur lie is probably my favorite wine, lol.
Bordeaux for me love those wine and you can find good wines in every price point you don’t have to spend a fortune
Rhone. I love Chateauneuf-du-Pape for a special occasion wine (among many of the others in region) and we spent part of our honeymoon in the region so it brings back great memories.
My partner and I, from UK, are taking our van to France for 2-3 weeks in September/Oct. We want to do lots of vineyards. More interested in beautiful geography and small towns/villages than cities (though not averse to cities). Anyone have any big recommendations of regions or specific places to go? We were thinking southern France and heading back up eastern side. We are happy to bomb it down first day (e.g. 6 hours driving) thereafter a couple hours a day driving. Any words of wisdom appreciated !
If you don’t go to port grimaud, you’re not doing it right. Just opposite st tropes it’s the “Venice of France”
The Loire valley for the chateaus, rocamadour, La Rochelle, Mont St Michel, Le touquet for the seafood and market, Reims for the Champagne tours, Cahors and Bordeaux for the reds.
Basically everywhere except Paris, Amiens and Marseille
It’s a truly wonderful country.
Port Grimaud is gorgeous, it’s also much easier to park a van there than in St Tropez. You can get a ferry boat between the two pretty frequently until around 11.30pm in season for not many €.
I just got back from exploring the Route des Vins in Alsace. Great wine, great scenery, lots of little towns and villages, would definitely recommend!
This is pretty much the only place we've taken van in France so far, on our way through to Italy. It is an absolutley amazing and beautiful place.
Not long back from getting ferry to Bilbao, then Rioja, San Sebastián, Biarritz, Arcachon, St Emilion, Île de Re & Loire Valley then back from Caen. Loads of wine, Basque Cider, Cycling (Île de Re), Beaches and great food. Definitely the best road trip of my life!
Bomb down to La Rochelle and then chill down the Atlantic coast going at your own pace on back roads. Head around to San Sebastián for a bit and then let the weather guide you next.
It’s hard to recommend something specific as we all have different tastes but the beauty of France is that you will click with different towns and villages. I have done this route a few times and each time we stopped at different places and discovered something new and interesting.
The islands on the west coast (Ré and Oléron) are particularly gorgeous
Don't miss Biarritz!
There are some really great small vineyards along the Loire, wines you'll never find in the UK
I can recommend Domäne Vincendeau, it's a really small winery and the owner gave us a personal tasting whilst sitting in her garden. There's a campsite a short cycle ride away by the river - Camping SEASONOVA Les Plages De Loire.
Wow this sounds amazing. Thanks so much for rec. Loire Valley sounds like the one
We had dogs so had even less to do as they have to stay in dedicated areas. We were very lucky as calm and very sunny so got two chairs on the pet exercise area, a bottle of wine and caught some sun. It’s not as bad as it sounds as you board and pretty much go to bed, so you basically have one day to explore, try the bars and restaurants, sun bathe, go to the cinema. Calm and sunny it is a brilliant relaxing day at sea … cannot judge when it’s rainy and choppy ;)
I’m spending a week in South-West France this July, mostly in the Bergerac region along the Dordogne. I know very little about wines in this region aside from the similarity to the varieties grown around Bordeaux. I’d like to bring back a few bottles, but not sure where to begin. Any recommendations of particular AOCs or communes would be greatly appreciated!
Pecharmant is a small aoc with bordeaux blends next to bergerac. Monbazillac for sweet wine from Botrytis. There was a maison de vin last time I was there where you can taste different Monbazillac wines in one location. If you want something different, look at Cahors (malbec).
Triguedina is a great domaine in Cahors.
Thank you! Quite intrigued by the Cahors, I don’t believe I’ve ever had a bottle from that region
A bit of a primer for you:
SW France region | closest equivalent or key style |
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Bergerac, Montravel, Buzet | Bordeaux (if lesser) |
Monbazillac, Saussignac | Sauternes (if lesser) |
Cahors | wines from Malbec, traditionally austere "black wines" with high acid and tannins and a notable iron-like flavour, most now made in a softer style more similar to Argentine Malbec though more old-worldy |
Madiran | wines from Tannat, so tannic and acidic they add a bit of Cabernet Sauvignon to soften wines(!) |
Jurançon and Pacherenc du Vic-Bilh | sweet wines from Petit Manseng and other varieties made from dried grapes, excellent acid, pineapply |
Jurançon Sec | dry wines from Petit Manseng and other varieties, striking acid, tropical notes |
Irouléguy (French Basque Country) | similar to Madiran (red) and Jurançon Sec (white) |
Marcillac | wines from Fer Servadou - intensely tannic but relatively light-bodied wines |
Gaillac | Mauzac, a grape somewhat similar to Chenin Blanc shines in still and sparkling wines -- high acid, green apples |
There are plenty producers making PGI wines across Gascony and the SW as a whole. One interesting one is Plaimont coop - you can read more about them here. Their Manseng Noir (a grape they rescued!) is a lovely summer red with modest alcohol levels yet a dark rather than pale/red fruit profile.
Great value is to be had across SW France. Especially if you have an open mind and an adventurous palate. There are many local grapes that never made it anywhere else. I would argue that's especially often true once you go outside the first two rows of the table above.
Have fun, eat well, and remember you're also near Cognac and Armagnac if you're into spirits.
Thanks for this. I spend a lot of time in this area due to family that lives there, so I'm always looking to learn more about what i see locally.. A couple you didn't mention are Fronton and Brulhois, which can be really good. Brulhois is a tannat/malbec blend - 'vin noir'. Fronton has négrette, which is a rare varietal that you don't see elsewhere... somewhat similar to gamay or cinsault.
Those are really good additions, thank you!
Truly, thank you so much for this primer, and for calling my attention to the Global Wine journal. I’m very excited to explore the wines of this region.
Glad to have helped!
As an aside, I did a double take when I read “Global Wine Journal”. Everyone I’ve ever met calls it “The Wine Anorak” or more often “Jamie Goode’s website”. I’ve completely forgotten that was the subtitle. But yes, great website for … (aspiring) wine anoraks!
Btw Susie&Peter did a podcast episode on Plaimont as well!
Look for Cahors and Madiran, a couple of good AOC that are not so broadly sold in the US.
Hey r/wine,
I'm in the process of planning a road trip around France. Will be travelling solo and will bring my bike with me (to combine my love for wine and cycling).
At the moment the plan will take in Loire, Bordeaux, Languedoc, Rhone Valley, Burgundy, Alsace, Champagne.
Trying to figure out the best way to approach it - as I'll be going to solo I'd like to stay in places where I can get to vineyards quite easily, Burgungy for example I imagine staying in Macon, Beaune and Cote de Nuits it'll be easy to get to nearby vineyards. But like the Loire valley seems so spread out I'm not really sure how to approach it - I'd like to get in Anjou-Saumur and Touraine.
Looking for any recommendations! It would be great to hear about similar adventures you've been on!
Go on booking.com or whatever and look who’s letting rooms in the various villages either in inns, small hotels or privately. As long as you look for a village with a functioning inn/pub and maybe a little supermarket you’ll be sorted for food and - what else do you need? It’s also much easier to cycle out of a village than out of a larger city (Angers, Tours) and it’s also easier to park there (for free).
In Anjou look at e.g. Bellevigne-en-Layon, Rochefort-sur-Loire and villages between them, closer to Tours e.g. Chinon (small town). Make sure to cycle down the troglodyte path outside of Saumur.
Generally villages and smaller towns are your friend.
Also, that’s a lot of regions you aim to visit, I hope you have at least three weeks allotted.
Thanks for the tips!
That's good for Loire as I'd like to visit Chinon, Bourgueil, Saumur-Champigny and Coteaux du Layon. I'd look at the other regions and see what villages I can find.
I've got all summer - potentially limited by the car rental which is looking like 30 days at the moment.
I suggest you find wineries you'd like to visit on GMaps and save them there - they will show up as pins. Often it's a good idea to make appointments - easier in e.g. Loire and Alsace than in the Côte d'Or.
Once you have a map of wineries you can figure out roughly where you'd find it the most convenient to stay - search by map on various accommodation booking sites.
Also, great, you'll need the whole summer to visit all these wine regions. You can easily spend 2-3 weeks in the Loire alone!
I moved to Angers last year, am a keen cyclist also. There’s a great cycle route called Loire à vélo you should look into - its a route which stretches all along the Loire.
From where I am there’s a great cycle path down to Saumur, and if you’re feeling ambitious you can continue down to Tours which is a great place to visit.
There’s an incredible amount of winery’s nearby, I’ve barely scratched the surface. Just look on a map below Angers, it’s full of them and the entire area is a dream for cycling.
Also the heat can be tough - we’ve got a heatwave at the moment, it’s 37C today and has barely been below 33C for the last month. Hopefully it dies down before you explore by bike.
That looks look an amazing route - if I was bike packing I'd definitely be up for that, but maybe not on this trip!
Do you have any recommendations for wineries to check out?
I am a big fan of Cabernet Franc so Chinon, Bourguiel and Saumur-Champigny are definitely places I want visit. I would also like to visit Moulin Touchais in Coteaux du Layon as I've tried many of their wines!
I want for a cycle today south of London and it was around 35C - tough...
If it gets hot you could consider heading to the alps, maybe a few days around the famous cols then north to Savoie
personally, I don't like cycling and making stops to visit wineries. It seems nice on paper but I don't have a great time cycling or drinking. My preference is to bike then find a wine bar or restaurant with a good list for dinner and dedicate rest days to winery tours.
Decided to stick with one region this weekend. I believe an often overlooked and under-rated region at that. Loire has every style of wine you'd want, sparkling, rose, crisp whites, full bodied whites, light reds, heavy reds, incredible sweet wines that can age a lifetime, and all at a great QPR. I've found Sancerre Rouge a much friendlier playground for my money than Burgundy, Cab Francs are much more interesting to me than the other Bordelais varietals, Muscadets, Chenins and Sauvignons, oh my! Anyway...
The Pouilly Fumé from Pascal Jolivet has lovely pear and honey aromas and flavors. Soft acidity and no grassy/ green notes. Almost a polar opposite of Sancerre. The Vouvray Sec from Domaine de la Croix des Vainqueurs is also light and pleasant with golden apple and floral notes. A bit more bite with the acidity than the Pouilly Fumé. Finally the Frédéric Mabileau Saint-Nicolas-de-Bourgueil Les Rouilleres is incredibly light with blueberries, a little barnyard and Cabernet Franc's hallmark fresh bell pepper. I won't say I'm blown away by these wines but at $50 for all 3, I'm incredibly satisfied. They're all interesting and delicious. Had a Pork chop with chicory and mashed potatoes that complimented them all, or the other way around. Any other Loire aficionados here? Full disclosure, I like Rhône best.
*Raises hand*
I too am a Loire wine aficionado. Those wines look great though I am surprised the Jolivet is lacking acid. Recently, I have been working on a case of 2008 Rene-Noel Legrand Saumur-Champigny that got lost in my cellar. There is still so much life and depth remaining. Seriously underrated wines.
I am also a chicory connoisseur. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I knew there was someone else! I'm not saying the Jolivet lacks acidity, it just isn't prevalent, which is a little off character for Sauvignon Blanc, but a nice surprise. I would love to find a well aged Saumur-Champigny, or any Loire red, I can only imagine!
I’m obsessed with Chinon and so far my favorite white is a Chenin from Savinnerres (so?) - gorgeous wines
Chinon and Savennieres are both amazing! Les Chais Saint Laurent Chinon Le Verre en Vignon and Baumard Savennieres are 2 of my favorites.
I knew I was spelling that wrong! 5am Reddit trips rarely go right haha. So far I’ve tried Bernard Baudry, Olga Raffault, Charles Joguet, and Pascal et Alain Lorieux Chinon - all amazing. I will def look for that producer. Savenierres is a little harder to find but it was a bottle of Gaec Luc et Fabrice Martin that blew my mind. So delicious! And also how could I forget Langlois Cremant! Yummy! I do love Bordeaux and the Northern Rhone as well but if I was forced to drink only Loire for the rest of my life I’d be just fine :)
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I found this at https://vinmaps.com/
who created an incredibly interesting map for bourbon but I could not find it at this level of detail.
I'll never forget the old man in France who made me swear to never forget that Samur-Champigny was the best AOC in all of France.....he was very insistent and maybe a little biased lol.
Il a tort, Coteau du Layon maître race.
Being French I can safely say we’re all biased when it comes down to which region is the best !
the best region is the one you live in of course lol
I agree.
VIVE LA LORRAINE !
vin "côtes de Toul"
mirabelle
quiche
pâté Lorrain
munster
salade vosgienne
Now i need one for italy!
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Haha, I love the use of Spain and Britain as backgrounds of legend & notes.
As they should be.
This is to any Sommelier, WSET Diploma, MW, CSW certified, or any wine fan.
With there being so many wine regions around the world, are there any that you think are not being talked about enough? I want to hear your inputs and opinions
For example, in the 3rd edition of the Wine Bible, or the 9th World Atlas of Wine (whenever they are released), what region(s) do you wish the authors would discuss more in detail?
My argument would be made to feature more US wine regions that are NOT along the West Coast, New York, or Virgina. Why not have a more detailed account of the first AVA in Missouri, or the Mississippi River Valley, or Texas Hill Country? I feel these AVAs deserve more than a paragraph in the Wine Bible, but that's my opinion. Hell, maybe even have a section dedicated to the North American hybrids that are slowly becoming popular in certain states.
So what's your opinion on an underrated region? I'd love to see what people say on the matter.
Cheers!
Jura! Also Rivesaltes/Banyuls. Corsica also produces lovely wines. I feel like Etna is also still massively underrated but it has been gaining more attention as of lately. Madiran and Cahors also come to mind.
Jura is anything bu underrated, it’s been on the radar of every sommelier for a decade now. If anything low supply has seen prices skyrocket, so definitely not underrated.
Fair enough, though there is definitely a divide between the wine geeks in the know, and the broader wine trade and consumer taste. Part of my job is selling Jura wines to top NYC restaurants, and while there is a great deal of respect for the wines amongst top somms (and even retailers) they don’t have the pull through in terms of purchasing as many, many other regions. Supply is relatively low, sure, and prices are high, but compare to even other regions with high prices and low quantities, Jura is still not a hot ticket item. Jura wines also aren’t garnering high critical acclaim. And you’re hard pressed to find them distributed broader than top cities. I think it’s a good answer.
I love Rivesaltes/Banyuls with foie gras on Christmas day, and I received a Maury-Tuilé as a gift that was picked up at Lidl of all places. It’s really good at least for the price, and Lidl has a good selection of beer and wine IMHO (in France, at least; I don’t know if the beer that they sell exclusively is sold here, and in any case, they also sell good beer from French brewers that you can buy elsewhere).
Cahors is also a place to which I return for wine.
Cahors! The “black wine” is perfection (and beautiful). It’s Like all the joys of the flavors of a Malbec, but with an old world earthiness! In short, the terroir of Cahors is always a treat!
South Africa for Sauvignon Blanc, Friuli (northern Italy), and England for sparkling wines.
South Africa for all its wines in general. Good cab, sauv blanc, even chenin.
I personally find Pinotage hugely underrated.
While it's not what sells, SA's real USPs are white blends and cool climate reds like Syrah and Cinsault
Just had some younger Keller Burgel and it was amazing. I would put it up vs any Pinot in the world.
Pinots from Germany
Campania. Taurasi, one of the top three wines in Italy. Fiano di Avellino. Falanghina. Greco di Tufo. All superb, and the north will always frown on them because Italy hasn’t overcome its intrinsic classism
top french wine regions
Key French Wine Regions to Consider:
Bordeaux:
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Rhône Valley:
Loire Valley:
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Recommendation: If you're exploring French wines, consider starting with a Bordeaux red for its complexity or a crisp Sancerre from the Loire Valley for a refreshing white. Each region offers unique characteristics that reflect the local terroir, making them worth exploring based on your taste preferences.
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