Just saying, if you go to a game's sub and ask if you should get it, the answer is always yes.

But yeah, if you like roguelikes, you'll like this game.

One of the finest games ever made. It's the only game in my Steam library I bothered to complete. And I'm almost 300 hours in, but currently playing Hades 2.

Not necessarily. The people who will criticise on most game subreddits will criticise things that aren't likely to have chased them away or put them off for playing more.

For example, I have a ton of things I can complain about in WoW and I can certainly make dozens of suggestions to make it more to my liking. But I still play it, and a lot of things WoW does are easily enough to put other people off - and with good reason.

You will get reliable criticisms often in the sense that they are making informed complaints and - hopefully (but not always) - are making suggestions for the game to better fulfil its intended purpose.

But you are not getting reliable criticisms in the sense that the criticisms are comprehensive as to the problems with the game that may apply to you. WoW doesn't respect player time nearly as much as most games, but that won't get brought up much on the subreddit by and large because as bad as it is now, it was much worse before. So if you ask if you should play WoW you'll hear about complaints regarding class balance or seasonal changes or maybe the contemporary story, but on /r/wow it's "the best MMO out there" and the other stuff that we already accept doesn't get brought up as much.

Now personally I don't see any issues with Hades I or II. I may have nitty gritty complaints about many other games I play but in general (good) single player games are very good at what they're designed for, and Supergiant Games produces great single player games. Hades II has more polish than many release games out there and it's in Early Access.

Well I hate to brake it to you but asking the dedicated sub full of fans if the game is worth it or not is a pretty silly idea.

Of course we will all tell you it’s worth it.

However I am mature enough to realize that not every game is for everyone(stupid collective shout).

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Hades may be a game for you or it may not be.

Hades is a rogue like game. It means that when you die you start back at the beginning again.

Thankfully Hades has Meta currency that you can bring back with you to power yourself up with Permanent upgrades.

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As for what you will be getting yourself into.

Zagreus is the son of Hades god of the dead.

Zag wants to escape the Greek underworld to go live with his godly relatives up on Mount Olympus.

To do this Zag has to battle his way through various Lvs of the underworld and many enemies and four strong bosses to reach the surface world and eventually Mt Olympus.

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Whenever Zag fails in battle he returns to the house of Hades.

There he can use Gems, Darkness, Nectar, Keys, Diamonds, Ambrosia and Titans Blood to do various things.

Like giving Nectar to NPC’s to further his relationships with them.

Using his meta currency at the House Contractor to renovate the house itself via cosmetic items or buy stuff to help him out with various quests or to alter the underworld to help him escape.

He can use his darkness to power himself up via the Mirror of Darkness in his room.

Use Keys to unlock more of the mirror or use said keys to unlock more weapons for him to try out in his escape attempts.

Eventually he can use the Titian’s blood he gathers to power up his weapons.

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As for playtime that depends on where you stop and how long it takes you to understand the combat well enough.

How long to beat .com says Main Story 23 Hours

Main + Sides 48½ Hours

Completionist 95 Hours

All Styles 43½ Hours

So you can get at least a good 24-100 hours out of the game if not more. Some of us have fell in love with the game so much that we have well over 200 hours in it.

Honestly it just depends on how much you come to love the game.

The game is also only about $25 US. So it’s a really good bang for your buck.

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The general game play loop is you choose a weapon then choose a keepsake(once you have those unlocked) then start your escape attempt.

You battle your way through the hoard of undead and various bosses Hades sends your way.

You pick up various boons from your godly relatives to help power you up. You can collect gold, Max hp, hammers to upgrade your weapons and pomegranates of power to Lv up your god boons.

These are only temporary and go away once you die.

You can also get your various meta currency as stated above.

Once you die you get sent back to the house and you use your various meta currency to power up. You also talk to NPC’s to get more story.

In the beginning you will die a lot. Each time you make it to a new boss you will die a lot.

Get used to it. At least with Hades Dying is not total defeat.

It means you can take what you learned and try and go farther the next time.

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While the gameplay itself is fun for many players. I think what draws and keeps most of us in is the Story, characters, visuals and sound designs.

The Lv of polish the game has is so great many have stated that Hades has killed or at least diminished there excitement of similar style of game.

Although in recent years plenty of other quality games in the rogue like genre have popped up.

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One last thing before I go.

Hades 1 Beginner Video.

Here is an old comment of mine going over the mirror in extensive detail.

Useful tips for new players. Part 1

Useful Tips for new players. Part 2

Good luck, have fun and always remember,

THERE IS NO ESCAPE!!! EVIL LAUGHTER!!!

You will get a huge worth out of this game. The gameplay loop will keep you coming back.

I’m pretty sure SGG have somehow managed to infuse the pure addictive essence of crack cocaine into their game.

Well either that or they have just made a well polished game that they put many hours of love, blood, sweat and tears into while also respecting the players of their games.

It’s probably the second one but the first one sounds more insane and funny.

Also congrats on beating redacted a few times already. Here are some links that should be able to help you understand the game better.

Leereamsnyder’s Hades 1 Build Guide!

Widely considered the Hades 1 Bible(jokingly but for good reasons). It is one of, if not the best Hades 1 guide out there.

Here is an old comment of mine going over the mirror options and my opinion on them in extensive detail.

YT: Haelian’s O to 32 Heat Guide. This video explains the Pact Of Punishment, really well in the first few minutes of the video.

YT: Haelian analyzes player data to determine how to beat 32 Heat.

Banana’s 32 Heat Guide. Banana’s guide has a section on working your way up to 32 Heat so it’s still useful even at low Heat.

Leereamsnyder on clearing 32 Heat W/ All Aspects.

Leereamsnyder on how to handle Tight Dead Line.

How to unlock all hidden weapon aspects in Hades 1

Use them now, use them later or never use them. These are just tools I’ve given you that you can use if you so wish.

Also one more thing before I go. This sub is usually pretty chill and it’s rather helpful as well. So don’t be afraid to ask questions.

Usually you will get at least a few answers within the first hour to day of posting.

Good luck, have fun and always remember,

THERE IS NO ESCAPE!!! EVIL LAUGHTER!!!

I don't think I'm going to quit playing until Hades 2 comes out on the Switch.

EXACTLY. THIS GAME IS MY NEW ADDICTION. Although I got carpal tunnel and have to take a break from it, how will I survive??

The biggest change is movement. In the first game you can spam the dash and be mostly safe. In Hades 2, you can't. You need to actually be careful about when to dash and avoid attacks.

IMO it's literally a sequel. Same core with new content, new story, more mechanical complexity and refinement, more duration of game to play with more boon variety, the few minor problems from Hades 1 fixed, it's literally Hades 1 but they've elevated everything.

Yes, the game is an improvement.

Your moves (Attack, Special, Cast) have an Omega version, that does more damage and works a little bit differently. You need to charge them by holding down the button and using Magick. The Omega Moves add basically a new moveset to combat. You don't even have to use them, they are just another option that might or might not fit your build and playstyle.

Magick (Mana basically) is a new ressource in combat that can either be used for the Omega moves or passive buffs. The first consume Magick on demand the latter permanently cap your Magick-pool. As in "Your Attack does 10 more damage but your Magick is permanently reduced by 20"

There are a few quality of life improvements.

The game offers more variety in level design, enemies, bosses and random encounters.

Zagreus' Cast is the blood missile. Melinoe's Cast is an area that stuns enemies in it

I think the biggest change is the addition of magic as a second resource and the addition of omega moves, charged attacks that use magic.

Base cast is now an AoE crowd control that deals no damage.

Also it's essentially twice as big.

Can't comment on the story because most of the main story is still unreleased.

I do think it's an improvement, but I can see someone preferring the original.

The game is different, not better or worse. I have like 500 hours in hades 1 and I while I still love it, I just kind of vibe with hades 2 combat more. In hades 1, you’re double dashing around every few seconds, holding down the attack button, and generally everything around you is exploding at all times. It’s very fun and satisfying.

Hades 2, on the other hand, requires a more methodical approach to how you handle encounters. Your cast is used mostly for crowd control rather than damage so you can kite enemies back, draw them in to damage all of them, or give yourself some breathing room. The biggest change is channeling your attacks, specials, and cast into an “omega attack/special/cast” that costs magick (mana). It gives a huge amount of depth to all the weapons, and also gives you another resource to manage. It is a very, very compelling sequel and an awesome expansion of the first game’s combat.

It’s one of the roguelites of all time. It takes itself too seriously. I’d rather play gungeon or Isaac.

underhyped honestly.

phenomenal game

It's a great game to play through the first time! Any playthrough after, you're probably making content lol

Hated it.

i am in love with roguelikes, played rogue legacy, dead cells, skull the hero slayer etc. liked these all but hades was so ass for me, didnt enjoy it.

It’s hard to tell since we don’t know what else is coming, but from our best guess, your assumption is probably correct: you could play the game now and so long as you don’t beat a run, it’d probably be an indistinguishable game from the final release. However I say “probably” because we really don’t know if they’ll tweak more gameplay stuff; they could adjust boons, tweak stats, etc that might impact your flow after v1.0. Overall story content will probably be identical to what you’d experience up until the first “win” though.

If it were the first game, the story cutoff now would be like if you beat Hades and then got sent back to the House, so you wouldn’t meet Persephone (which I believe is how they cut it off in the Hades 1 EA). So we think that it’s mostly story conclusion that we’re missing, but we don’t know how many runs the player will have to complete, and there are still a lot of plot threads that need to be addressed, so it’s hard to say.

ETA: They have said they don’t plan on adding more zones, enemies, etc. so the overall structure is pretty much done. If they do add fresh gameplay content, I expect it could be a hidden boss like Charon. So again, I’d say gameplay wise it’s probably 90-95% done, but it’s hard to judge the amount of missing story content.

The fact that we’re days away from Hades 2, still fresh off the release of Silksong still feels unreal but no, it’s very much real

9 days left, just wait. I played for 60 hours and had a blast but I haven't played for 4 months or longer as I'm waiting for the full experience. No reason to jump in right now with it being so close to what the devs envisioned in my opinion.

You waited this long.. just wait another 9 days and play the final release. Comes out Sept 25.

Like 95% like all weapons and hidden aspects are done and i think all character models, we are just missing like the conclusion to the story pretty much.

Yeah I waffled on spoiler tagging that but the thing is the v1.0 trailer explicitly says >!there are two routes, so I figure we might be able to talk about both routes openly now?!<

ETA: I've adjusted my earlier comment to avoid that phrasing, but you might want to adjust yours if you want to avoid spoiling too ;)

I’ve also been a big fan of the mechanic changes and the flow of combat that Hades 2 has. My addiction to Hades 2 feels a lot more apparent than Hades. The flow of the battles just feels superb

I like 2 better for mostly the same reasons. H2 has more content, is newer, and they did take everything they learned in Hades 1 to make H2 better. Hell, H1 got to be so good for the same reasons... they took what they learned from their previous games (Bastion and Transistor) into there.

I tried going back to hades 1 a couple days ago and I had similar thoughts.

Same here. They really did amazing at keeping the core gameplay while doubling the content and making it even more fresh. Is this what happens when you let a team build the game they want?

I prefer 1 in every category but i do enjoy 2 as well

Why not just play H1 while you're waiting? What does "missed the train" mean? It hasn't aged badly.

I'm sort of assuming you meant you wanted to be up-to-date with everyone in the community, but most everyone in the H2 EA community is in the same boat at the moment: waiting on release, which probably won't be for a few months.

You could always go back and play Hades 1, not sure what you mean by missed the train. I just came back after over a year off and finally finished the epilogue. It's still a great game so no reason to skip it. Especially since the story in 2 will make more sense if you complete 1. It'll scratch the itch and you will complete at least the main story before 2 is released.

I started Hades 1 a week ago. About 10/20 hours in. Getting rekt but the game is great... Dno why you can't start Hades 1?

Playing hades 1 is so worth, you should try it

None. I’ma just enjoy the game for what it is.

None, and then I can just accept and enjoy it for what it is when the time comes

It might be the most blunt and obvious, but just having a "Hades, but more and somehow even more polished" is already really enticing. If I had anything in particular I would like it would be maybe having gods, goddesses, and figures that were only referenced in Hades such as Hestia, Chiron, etc serve a more significant role, whether it be through boons or possibly as hub characters. I especially want Hestia, though, as she's one of my favorite Greek goddesses and would love to see Supergiant's take on her.

I do also like the idea of having different routes, though, or possibly just having slight alternates of each layer that might have a unique boss fight and or "drop" at the end to encourage people to go through every route with every weapon.

At first I found it harder but because Melinoe has a different playstyle, which I like btw because is not a Zagreus 2

Later, the challenge is not common enemies in Hades 2, but minibosses and bosses, I find myself dying in any room (specially from Elysium) with Zagreus, but with Melinoe is always against a boss or miniboss

I haven't fought EM typhon nor our grandpappy yet, but out of the first three EM bosses in both runs, Cerberus and Eris have given me the hardest time.

I wouldn't say it's much harder, but it is harder.

This is presumably on purpose because they want it to still be a challenge to people who played the original for 200 hours. It would be weird to make a sequel and have it be easier than the first game.

Mostly it was just getting used to the differences. Despite the similarities, Mel doesn't really play a lot like Zag, and trying to do that early on ended many a run for me.

I think it's more complex.The enemies are harder but Mel has far more options. So the amount you need to learn to be decent is higher but once you're there it gets much easier to win reliably. Honestly. I can't even remember the last time I died to a non-Guardian, even with Great Chaos. You can just stomp through regular rooms.

But then Rivals is harder than EM was, and the fear cap is way higher so there's more to play.

Agreed, and if I wanted the same game again, I'll (gladly) replay Hades 1