I did not read the books, but this scene felt so intimate and a such private moment, like I felt wrong watching it. But also #Bonrad cause why is this little act showed so much more intimacy than any of her scenes with Jere. All hail the new rom-com king - Chris Briney 🔥

I got awkward just like Conrad did the minute he walked in! Can you please go back we were actually having fun.

it was like when susannah saw adam walk through that door in season one-the 4th of July episode too-disappointed.

I fear Belly has had more self reflection and growth in this car ride with Conrad than she has for the last 4 years

this scene was giving pride and prejudice mr darcy!

conrad giving belly advice on how to manage her budget with the flowers while jeremiah requesting for the most elaborate cake is so telling of the differences in maturity

Same but is it just me or is that a delulu way to each a peach as a human adult??

Like those fruit juices are FLOWING down her face and she gives zero f*cks.

Is this just necessary to set up the shirt wiping moment? Or is this normal peach eating behavior & ive just been eating the fruit like a prude my whole life???

i was counting down the minutes till jeremy shows up to third wheel in what was the best day of bellys life since probably that last night with Conrad years ago

They don't real talk about anything. They ignore real problems like money, the infidelity, conrad, belly's feelings about laurel, and as shown in this episode, too: Kayleigh. Anything that's serious, belly won't bring up to Jeremiah. Meanwhile, in just one episode, belly breaks down in front of conrad and they talk about mental health, stress, money, ect.

That was from the book and I remember laughing when I read it but somehow Chris Britney’s voice just made it so sad.

And they immediately comforted Rumi also. No drama no yelling, just comfort.

I appreciate this scene

I like it too because this is one of my favorite parts:

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Same that seen just felt good to watch

except that it wasnt because rumi was never sincere with them?

I loved it too! And honestly, I headcanon that Mira and Zoey lowkey planned that out - they clearly knew something was wrong/up with Rumi and that she refused to tell them about it. Confronting her directly obviously wasn't working. So they sat down, shared their own emotions, and hoped that she would reciprocate. Unfortunately it didn't work.

Conrad is staying because he saw her crying. Nobody talk to me.

i dont understand what conrad sees in her anymore because all of her likeability is gone

Them mocking Conrad on the pool literally pmo so much. I was praying for Conrad to leave and never come back 😭😭

I'm assuming they are making us dislike her for a reason. She will end up going to Paris, do a little growing up and then will be ready for Conrad... at least I freaking hope so cause giiirrrrrl what are you doing.

exactly, i didnt hate her before but i hate her now for sure. there are so many things that are just wrong and I say that from a young adult pov

1. giving up paris to spend more time with her then "husband"

2. marrying the guy who cheated on her TWICE.

3. not understanding that conrad couldn't be happy then cause his mother was dying and then passed.

4. cant f*cking decide which brother to choose

5. mocking conrad in the swimming pool for pointing out facts, and questioning WHY IS HE IN HIS OWN MOTHER'S HOUSE?

6. Being a b*tch to her mother. my mother would have whooped my a*s, if i told her i got engaged at 21 but surely for shouting at her that way.

7. made the whole funeral abt herself, it is just like pick me energy during that.

why is she doing this. i cant fathom her character she is so unlikeable this season

The OC would like a word (at least the first two seasons).

Wait… Dawson’s Creek was good?

As long as it ends the same way. The girl everyone wants rejects the guy who is dangerously obsessed, instead choosing the one who within ten years will be found face down in a Motel 6 off I-70 next to a night table covered in drug paraphernalia.

Mmmmm whatcha say?

I can’t wait for this show to be over. Tired of listening to my daughter scream and cry. Well written so kudos to the author and show writers but FFS, give me peace

My favourite change to the book was adding in storylines for many of the side characters. I loved seeing more of Laurel and Susannah, Laurel navigating the dating world post-divorce, and even the whole debutante thing worked quite well. I was also a little skeptical of having Taylor in it a lot more, but it made sense to have her at Cousins during this summer and not just in the flashbacks. Plus, I think she was a lot more likeable!

My least favourite change (although I kind of understand why they did it), was how Belly was consistently going back and forth between the brothers and the love triangle was very prevalent. I feel like in the book (the first one, which this season was based off of), she really only has eyes for Conrad and doesn't go back and forth between them. Even when Jeremiah announced that he likes he, she still only has eyes for Conrad. I just feel like it showed more respect all around? Spoiler for the rear of the series: >!In the books, it felt like Belly didn't want to have both of them at the same time and had her own separate 'phases with both C&J. I also felt like the boys also more or less understood that boundary/had the same respected for each other (at least until the end of book 3 when Conrad announces his feelings to Belly the night before B&J's wedding when he found out about Jeremiah cheating) !<

Also, spoiler for the second book, >!I didn't love that the infinity necklace came up so early. I really liked how Belly found it in the second book and then decided to keep it/wear it when they were looking for wherever Conrad ran off to!<

This comment!!! Totally agree. I've read the books, and could never get behind Team Conrad. Too much whiplash from Conrad's mood swings. I'll always be Team Jeremiah.

Just watched it. It's really cute and the soundtrack is fun.

I don't think I can continue because >!I prefer Jeremiah over Conrad and the author basically does a character assassination in the 3rd book to get Conrad and Belly together. URGH. I never agree with any of Jenny Han's ships. John > Peter. !<

just finished the whole thing, am crying and i came onto reddit to look for exactly this 😭

So, hear me out. She could still put the necklace on in season two without stealing it from Conrad's dorm room. Remember that he tried to give it to her on the dock, but she didn't take it. It gives the necklace a lot more significance if she puts it on after finding it again in his dorm room, and honestly would make the argument they have make a lot more sense when Conrad comments on her wearing it - thus sending mixed messages. It always rubbed me the wrong way in the books when she put it on without actually knowing if it was really for her. This way, when she puts it on she knows it's hers and when Conrad sees her wearing it, it would affect him.

I really loved how they captured the sensitivity of both boys. Their interactions with Susanna were really heartbreaking.

I heart season 4 Taylor so much.

Seeing Ryan going from ready-to-murder to this. That’s what S4 was about 🙏

That scene in season 1 between Sandy and Ryan: “So how was home?” “What do you mean? I was in Chino, I just got home” I’m paraphrasing but I thought this was such a sweet scene!

He needed someone like Taylor. I get he loved Marisa and by the end she was truly his BFF. A lot of love. But Taylor was funny and not so tragic. Don’t get me wrong I love Marisa.

The best time of Ryan’s life was with Taylor. No drama, No BS !

I convinced myself they wouldn’t put this even though it was in the books. Adam HAD to know they were together RIGHT?! In the books they weren’t official I don’t think but Conrad literally calls belly his girlfriend. Everyone knew EXCEPT ADAM. This man is literal trash

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Not Conrad choosing the cheapest entree. I can’t. I let out a squeak and cry. Oh my goodness this boy. I love him too much.

belly being icked out by adam and jeremiah ordering the $$$ surf and turf, followed by conrad ordering the cheapest entree iktr

Note she didn’t tell Annika about the engagement or she would have gotten a real answer

Ummmmmm them all just leaving and Conrad walking out alone!? What!? My man you were right, you are better in California. That was brutal.

“Are you secretly judging for me getting back together with him”

“I think you care too much about what other people think. I trust you to make the best decision for you”

Uh, Belly, as someone older and wiser - that’s called dodging the question and it’s a big fat YES.

Where did you guys watch episode three season three mine is not out on my illegal website (look2movies.to)😭😭

Never read the book ...Conrad nailed it...I loved this bit...because she will never be his little sis...and even if they dated for 6 months it was still more significant to her then the time she had spent with Jeremiah. That's my view as someone who just watches this show..

Okay this will be a two parter, part one being reactions, and reacting to your post part two being a brief analysis of the first time I saw her flashback 

Oh, I forgot how savage C was with aunt Julia. After such an outburst only Steven follows C, but Belly immediately follows after J. She has truly washed her hands of C. 

Cam Cameron to the rescue 

If you are aware of that “invisible force” between them, why are you doing this to yourself? Maybe they need to get together, so Jere can get over this, and realize he is actual not that into her…

“Jere, I don’t want you to hate us, but I think about her all the time. And it hurts, like, my chest physically hurts, to not be able to tell her that I’m on love with her.”

I would have loved if Jere had been played softer in this scene, more defeated, and way less aggressive. It would have helped me sympathize with him a lot more. It’s just such a stark contrast to the usually colder C who is softer and more vulnerable in this scene. Especially because Jere is known as the sunny boy, which is supposed to be the softer of the two brothers, him reacting aggressively like that makes him seem like a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He pretends to be agreeable but is actually hardened and bitter on the inside. It makes him seem duplicitous. And we know from the books that is not Jere. 

Oh, Belly stop it please. It’s a bad idea! Don’t do this to Jere. Let that man breathe. Let that man heal. Let yourself heal. A relationship is the last thing that you need right now. 

I like that C and J can have a decent conversation right now, why does Belly have to torpedo this? Let the brothers be together. Let the brothers HEAL together. I know you hurt, and C Hurt you a LOT, but sending him into exile and essentially taking Jere from him, to making Jere your personal healing buddy/sweeping everything under the rug buddy is kind of heartless Bells. 

Thanksgiving  Adam is wearing his wedding ring, Susannah is not. Ugh, Jere basically putting everything on C or on them, I’m not a fan. If you plan on staying away just do it, don’t make a whole show-and-tell out of it. Or if he needs C to know, because he is praised for being good at communicating his feelings just tell them it’s not on them, but that you still need to take a while to get over it, don’t make them feel guilty for being together. C would never… However, if he still has to say it this way, I once again wished he was portrayed softer, more fragile, a bit devastated and not this aggressive.

We are T-72h (take some or loose some) away from the Jelly’s kiss, which means we are 4 days away from her “choosing” Jere without the shadow of a doubt, but she is still saying she “I think I.. I loved Conrad longer and truer than anyone in my whole life. And I will probably never love anyone like that again. To be honest it is kind of a relief. ‘Cause I don’t know, I don’t know if I could survive that again.” Or let me put it this way we are 30-45 minutes away from Belly asking Jere why he wouldn’t kiss her. Even though I’m not the biggest fan of the way Jere is portrayed in this show/in this season, I like book Jere enough to know he deserves better. 

C is busy trying to find ways to save their house. While Belly is busy trying to reclaim her self esteem by targeting Jere, because he is an easy target? Poor kid. 

Not one of his flashbacks is his own, they are all centered around them.

Answer to your post

I truly can’t watch them dancing it feels to intimate between the too, I quit literally look away. 

Oh, I like the swearing, too. 

So we disagree on the time frame because you think it’s too long in the books, didn’t know that. Yeah, I think a big part of it is that they spent most of it in a long distance relationship in which both of them put not a lot of effort. We get one example of a phone conversation between them, and it’s Jeremiah brushing Belly off (she wants to talk about her Taylor friendship break up) to go eat hot wings with his frat brothers). Their romantic LDR was probably not very different from their friendship LDR minimal effort, minimal contact. With the new time line I have a personal head canon of her spending two years at a community college to be financially smart, and I will believe this until proven otherwise (on Wednesday to be exact). 

My favourite Belly’s POV is biased reveal is that Con is actually a geek/dork (I know there are more important reveals for their love story, I still love this the best)

>
"I used to collect stamps.'

>That was right. He had collected stamps. I'd forgotten.

>He kept them in a photo album his dad gave him.

>"I totally forgot about that. Holy crap, you were so serious about your stamps. You wouldn't even let us touch your book without permission. Remember how Jeremiah stole one and used it to send a postcard and you were so mad you cried?"

>"Hey, that was my Abraham Lincoln stamp that my grandpa gave me," Conrad said defensively. "That was a rare stamp."

>I laughed, and then he did too. It was a nice sound

>When was the last time we'd laughed like this?

>Shaking his head, he said, "I was such a little geek."

>"No, you weren't!"

>Conrad threw me a look. "Stamp collecting. Chemistry set. Encyclopedia obsession."

>"Yeah, but you made all of that seem cool," I said. In my memory Conrad was no geek. He was older, smarter, interested in grown-up things.

>"You were gullible," he said.

We know that Belly is an unreliable narrator sometimes (like that scene where Conrad took her to the boardwalk because he wanted to, and she thought it was to see that girl), but it struck me during the rewatch that Jeremiah is too. Like, he's so delusional. The moment in the cinema room where he and Belly hold eye contact for an excessive amount of time, and then they do it again when they drink from one can? I doubt it's what really happened. I think they did look at each other, but maybe for like a second or two.

This episode is a perfect example of why I don't like Jeremiah as a character. He just gets so jealous over everything that Conrad has. The look Jeremiah has on his face whenever he sees Conrad and Belly have the tiniest interaction...

But I really loved the scene where Steven and Taylor dance, the light and the song gave it such a chef's kiss atmosphere.

This is probably my least favorite episode. I do really like Conrad having such a vulnerable moment with Jeremiah, and I thought it was sweet seeing how Jeremiah was with Susannah. In present day, my favorite is the Steven/Taylor parts. I also love Cam Cameron being so on edge about the messes 🤣 This episode just doesn’t do it for me. It was something about Jeremiah’s behavior.

Love staylor dancing tho

I read this as “the summer I turned PETTY” and was truly curious for a moment. Darn

I don’t think it’s them directly taking it from TVD because I’ve seen other movies and tv shows that have had this situation happen where one person isn’t there, the other one steps in, etc. but I can see where your coming from. Alot of shows copy off of others though.

Also one of the guy is the actor that played young Damon Salvatore

the book was published in 2009 (couldn't find the exact date) but i imagine the scene was also in the Vampire Diaries books so who knows if she was inspired by it <3 i just watched the first two episodes and thought the same thing on the recap!

Stole? Mhh ok