Detective Harry Ambrose
Detective Harry Ambrose, played by Bill Pullman, is a central character throughout the series. He is known for his deep psychological investigations and complex personality. Ambrose is often depicted as a troubled detective who delves into the darkest corners of human nature to solve crimes [3:1].
Cora Tannetti
Cora Tannetti, portrayed by Jessica Biel, is the protagonist of the first season. Her character is central to the storyline, which revolves around her committing an inexplicable act of violence and the subsequent investigation into her motives and past [3:2].
Julian Walker
In the second season, Julian Walker becomes a key character. The plot focuses on this young boy who commits a crime, leading Detective Ambrose to uncover a series of disturbing secrets [3:3].
Jamie Burns
Season three introduces Jamie Burns, played by Matt Bomer. His character is involved in a mysterious accident that prompts Ambrose to investigate deeper into his life and motivations, revealing unsettling truths [3:1].
Recurring Themes and Character Development
Throughout the series, the characters are developed with intricate backstories and psychological depth. Each season presents a new case with unique characters, but Detective Ambrose remains the constant, exploring themes of guilt, trauma, and redemption [3:1].
The characters are: Omori-Omori. John Davey Harris-Lololowka. Seres Victoria-Hellsing. Dr. Gregory House-House MD. The Cat-Stray. Isaac-The Binding of Isaac. Jesse Pinkman-Breaking Bad. Powerplex-Invincible. The Last Ronin/>!Michelangelo!<-Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comic. The sun-IRL. Tequila Sunset-Disco Elysium. Crewmate/Imposter-Among Us.
FUCKING RYOSHU AS DOCTOR HOUSE AND SINCLAIR AS THE SUN 😭😭 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
T.P.N.R.B.T.L
(The patient needs rat bites to live)
T.V.M
M.M.B.!!!!
The sun should have been the sun from jojo part 3
Yeah, i dont get any reference here, Omory Sang is only one on point here imo(depressed, have two personalities in different worlds one happier then another)
That's why I said "vaguely",this is not supposed to make much sense.
Well, fair point, but still aside from Sun who's Roday i cant see even vague connections for other sinners
"oi misteh white, when we gonna cook the enkephalin?"
Whateva yo sellin I ain't buyin yo
I’d let myself become Sancho’s arm
Never cook again
Mister Oddesy is helping me find my Purpose.
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Irish man here. born in Dublin live in the north rn
Personally remmick is my favourite character in the movie (yes partially because he's Irish, and also because he's cool)
Remmicks character is a very good SUBTLE representation of Irish struggle in this movie. He shares common ground with the main characters, while also being completely different at the same time
One other thing is like to say, during the Irish dance scene outside of the juke joint, remmick looks ecstatic while he's doing his lil jig, this is likely a very subtle comment on how he'd have had his culture stripped from him (for anyone who knows about Ireland during that time, early British invasion along with many Irish having their culture banned) and wouldn't have been able to dance like that in centuries
The shared common ground is why I think Coogler made his character Irish. I'm a non Irish black guy, but I just saw the movie and was very curious on how Irish people feel about it, because while watching the movie I was definitely leaning toward taking his offer. Was raised around family from that era and Rennick made some points that hit home.
I’m from NI and thought he was a great character his background makes him more interesting because I think he really does believe he’s helping people and because of his background he understands exactly how they feel. The flaw in his logic is that he’s forcing the vampirism on to them rather than letting them opt in if they want. Just like how he seems to resent how Christianity was forced on him by people who were convinced it was for the best.
Irish-American here. I don't really think it's so much about Irish people in reference to British colonialism but more about the Irish experience in America. Specifically, I think the vampires broadly represent assimilation, and the with way anti-Irish bigotry has disappeared alongside the merging of distinct european identities into an American idea of whiteness, an Irish-American is a good choice to lead the group.
Ryan Coogler explicitly talks about how it was important for the vampire to also have had his language and religion erased by the British just like black Americans AND there's a reference in the movie that Remmick got to the USA in 1911.
Yep. He is a pre Christian Irish man. Either way non Biblical Ireland is long gone outside the common consciousness of the populace at that point in this movie's timeline. And it's even more so if we skip to 2025. He is a man out of time but because of his vampire biology he has retained memories of a past only accedmics find in the historical record. But those past memroies aren't explored. immortality means he also can remember his nation before the Bible came to it
Seemed like this whole movie was about temptation of western (Christian) freedom, while both realize it’s in their face, reddick still thought of Sammie as a resource more than anything.
Not Irish (somewhat by ethnicity, but not at all by nationality). My read on this was a few degrees off from yours, but similar.
Yes, Remmick is the child of a colonized culture as well, but he is precisely the kind of person who claims to be an ally--perhaps even fully believes himself to be--but still sees the oppressed black population as a resource (for blood, culture, music, what have you), rather than respecting their individual autonomy. He offers hollow statements of love and belonging, but he's still overpowering you and claiming your cultural identity as his own, whether you consent or not.
As for the Christian element of the movie, I like the subversion from Vampire-typical. Sammy is caught between hate and predatory assimilation. He looks at the role models he has, and he sees that serving the country hasn't helped them (the twins' time as soldiers), money hasn't helped them (the stories about black men having their earnings stolen from them), and now faced with Remmick, faith isn't helping him either--indeed, Christian faith is a tool available to Remmick as well.
For Sammy, the conflict between the blues and the Church comes down to choosing between holding on to the culture of his own people vs. embracing the culture being thrust upon them. If he chooses the latter, then his own culture is lost to him--much as Remmick's is lost to him. Perhaps Remmick represents a possible future in which Sammy turns away from the Blues and embraces the Church as his father wants--nourishing his spirit by spouting hollow rhetoric about salvation and love and belonging to those who have been assimilated against their will.
He was caught between God and the devil, both offering false promises. He managed to escape them both.
On Remmick, I mostly agree, but I see him as someone who uses their people’s suffering in the past as a weapon to justify acts of atrocity against other people.
I’m a third generation Irish American and I really enjoyed the movie. I loved the character. I have only recently been learning about Irish paganism, cultural holidays and traditions. I can relate to desperately wanting my culture and community and not really having anywhere to turn. I did use a lot of eastern spirituality in the past as Christianity doesn’t align with me. It wasn’t until I started connecting with other people that I found what I had been trying to find does have some of the oldest roots in Irish culture And that I can practice my spirituality in a way that still aligns with what I feel is right for me while also being culturally appropriate.
I do think that it’s important for white Americans to investigate their heritage and relearn culture and traditions of their former country. Our assimilation was and is not healthy or productive, but instead, just like this movie, self-destructing and just like all of American history, socially ruinous, violent, self-serving and self-abandoning. Starting with Native Americans pursuing him was very important commentary. One tribe sent Ireland money during the potato famine, a time they needed resources just as badly, but because they saw another indigenous peoples being destroyed, they stepped up; and the favor wasn’t even returned until 2020.
I do think that this was an important film, and I do appreciate that they included Irish American struggles, losses, but also failures, in it and to have that acknowledgment. Ever since this country was created, money has been in the hands of a select few. Those with unearned privilege only remain in power with the complicity of the oppressed. Keeping disadvantaged groups pitted against each other, and trying to climb up a ladder that intentionally has most of the rungs missing, loosing yourself to the pursuit of personhood unjustly taken away, is unfortunately a very common cycle in this country.
Irish person here - remmick is said to be 100s of years old so he may be referencing paganism being taken from the Irish with Christianity being pushed upon them.
this is my first time watching the show and I want to see people's opinions
Season 1 was my favorite! Loved how it was different and kept you interested, but the seasons after that went down hill for me.
Season 1 was good, season 2 was absolute dogshit. That kid is annoying as fuck
Too drawn out.
Sooooo good
Season 1 great, season 2 I even liked better (most like 1st better I’d say), and 3rd really failed . But if you know that going in it may help. Really it’s the actors that are the great thing about season 3 - Pullman, boomer and Messina. The writing went so far left and really failed the development of Ambrose.
Which characters from the sinners’ book or returning characters do you want to see in future?
Personally I want to see Phillip again now leading a cult of Crying children worshippers like the musicians of Bremen (maybe a future event of intervallo).
I would love to see Raymond from the stranger. The idea of such a selfish person being able to just… ask Meursault to help him for no reason would be really interesting with the slight differences between book and limbus Meursault I think
He could be part of N Corp too. Also I'm curious about Meursault's girlfriend. Characters in gachas usually don't have a clear relationship because of certain incidents with the fanbase... Then we have Heatcliff with Cathy.
I want the dude meursalt shot
I want the guy who calls Meursalt “mr. Antichrist”
I finished reading the book last week and that line specifically hit so hard it became my discord status
I don't wanna think about the characters od next canto, The Wuthering Heights is an... experience
Speaking of which, who do you think will be the final big bad of the canto? I personally believe we will have to fight Heathcliff at the end because he will snap after Cathy’s death and we will knock some sense into him.
I want more of Gregor's "family", especially his sister, as well as some Crime and Punishment characters since all we got was Sonya.
I need that Razumihin rizz.
Gregor's sister Grete. I'm curious how they'd implement her in Limbus since in the book she was the only one of his family to still treat him somewhat well after his transformation ( feeding him and trying to make him more confortable)
I especially want to see Grete in Limbus because it's (IIRC) ultimately Grete giving up on Gregor that causes him to lose his will to live and he ends up dying from the untreated apple wound from his father, and I wonder how that will translate in Limbus. He obviously won't die (well, not permanently), but Grete finally giving up on Gregor is a pretty major turning point in the book so they'll probably adapt it.
If it wasnt obvious shes based off on The Phantom of the Opera, but she isnt exactly The Phantom... Her name isn't even Erik.
There isn't much I can say about her except that shes in her late 50's and she comes off as creepy in the usual Opera Ghost fashion, but shes super insecure at the same time so shes tormented by her own self lol,,
Shes a little bit unhinged at first, but she does have a sweet and caring interior. She seems oddly fond of Sinclair, too.
Also yes, her weapon is a noose, referencing the lasso the Phantom employs to kill in the book.
I hope yall enjoy my old gal 🫶!
>she isn't exactlythe Phantom
Is this another >!Don Quixote!< situation, where this isn't Erik but Christine?
HAH! Why yes it is... Im so original/j
It's a great design, but i have 1 more question
Is she a Bloodfiend perchance, because her eyes with the mask looks like the La Manchalands trio's eyes with their masks on
Question is tho... Does she hold the magical power of PM Old Ladies defying the stagger mechanic?
Good question... 👀
Isnt this just josephine?/j
Save some bloodfeast for the rest of us damn!
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I like this alot. I need to rewatch phantom of the opera. I remember watching it with my older sister when I was like... 11? Man, it's been a while. Maybe younger. I don't remember much besides "The phaaaaaaanom of the Opera is theeeeeeere.... insiiide your miiiiiind." The melody for that is very memorable by itself.
Please watch the movie again! Its such a vibe :) Ive been hearing the soundtrack nonstop while making this drawing as a nostalgia trip lol
I am on the 8th episode I think, and I absolutely love it. A friend just told me that if I keep watching after the first season, I would deeply regret the wasted time. Would you agree ? and PLEASE no spoilers.
And one more request : Could you please recommend a show or a movie that is somewhat similar to season 1. Preferably on Netflix.
Thanks in advance.
I liked the first and second season much more than the third. I really wanted to like the third season too because I like Matt Bomer, but it was just ok.
I agree with your friend. I liked the first season but didn’t like the other 2.
I wouldn't be as drastic as your friend, but I do agree that season 1 is clearly the best of them.
The first one is the best, in my opinion. The third one is better than the second. But all pretty decent
Many thanks.
Excluding the Sinners love interests from their source material, what characters from those source materials do you expect to see in each of their Cantos?
Canto IX: Hell Screen
Canto X: The Stranger
Canto XI: The Odyssey
Canto XII: Faust
Canto XIII: Inferno
I expect the monkey from Hell Screen to be prevalent, as well as the Lord and Yoshihide's daughter. Perhaps we might get one of Ryoshu's apprentices as well.
I figure both the monkey and the owl will end up being represented by Heishou branches that mimic those animals. Building on that, I wouldn't be surprised if His Lordship becomes jealous due to some kind of forbidden romance between Ryoshu's daughter and the monkey Heishou rep
The Heishou are natives to Hongyuan, not Q Corp’s Wing. So don’t think there’ll be any branches there, but considering Yuanchun married out to there, it’s totally possible that someone who bought a Heishou brought them over with them after moving to Q Corp.
I'm pretty sure there wont be Owl heishous, given how each Heishou branch is for a zodiac animal. However, Monkey I can totally see happening.
I’d like to see if we meet any of Odysseus’ crew or if they are all already dead, either them or seeing if they adapt Polyphemus as a character or as the abno from that one ego gift encounter.
Characters from other camus books in meursaults canto, like doctor rieux
i want to see who will replace athena and all the gods in canto 11
I would love to see Outis' canto focus on all the gods n stuff, but I have a feeling at least the Inferno part of it will be focused on the more mundane characters of the Illiad&Odyssey like the greek kings, the cyclops, maybe Circé and stuff like that. The fact she's still going by Outis gives me that vibe. I'd love to be proven wrong though.
I really hope that their are arbiters, I mean the Head is the most similar thing to Gods in Limbus Company
I feel like it would just be higher ups(generals, feathers, or other benefactors of the war) who endorsed the war
Canto IX: The Severing, For that I expect Ryoshu’s Child, the Lord, the Lord’s Servant (narrator) and maybe two characters referencing Ox-Head and Horse-head, who are Chinese underworld guardians. They appear in Yoshihide’s dreams.
Canto X: Marie, Meursault’s Mother (I think she’ll be a composite character of the Mother and the Arab), the Judge and Prosecutor. Along with the Priest. I’ll also say I think Raymond will appear in Canto IX.
Canto XI: Penelope, Telemachus, Circe, Polyphemus, Antinous and the other suitors. And let’s be honest, at the very least four greek gods are being adapted as characters. Athena, Zeus, Poseidon and Hermes.
Canto XII: no idea. Heard Cleopatra is in it. Also Faust’s love interest, but I personally believe our Faust is an adaptation of the Homunculus created by Faust. Mephi is currently a bus, but I have doubts there won’t be another character with that name in Canto XII.
Zeus being the Head himself, casually dropping down to chat.
My vote would be Meursault, Heathcliff and/or Sinclair. Heathcliff and Sinclair since they are close to Don Meursault because he has the Aura for a Bloodfiend and also I just like his juxtaposition with Don.
I want meursault to be casetti, goes well with his yearning e.g.o
Not sure who the 6th would be, there isnt any other significant bloodfiend in limbus. So likely a 00 id for someone to make them a generic bloodfiend enemy id.
Ryoshu mentioned having seen a Bloodfiend as a member of one of the Fingers, so there’s always that as an option.
Well ther is a certain Bloodfeind from Ruina they can use as a Walpurgisnacht ID but I think they might be a bit too strong for us to get them now.
Just give us her shortly after the moment she got her teeth kicked in. Theres no way she’s a first kindred, likely a 3rd kindred who got really fat on blood. Just scale her down the same way our own bloodfiends are
Maybe some day in purgatorio/paradiso, someday
i just want a cassetti ID, maybe meursault or heathcliff for it
Give Hong Lu a Bloodfiend of the Happy Parade id. He’s already worn a similar outfit.
Now he can go to the festival of wonders.😂
Casetti ID for sinclair, and then some other random bloodfiend for Mersault as a 00 I guess, perhaps the bloodfiend that greeted people in the "haunted mansion"
Casetti ID would probably be the first bloodfiend to have the blood overcoat thing since he was well fed. Warp train redux when.
we are almost definitely getting a casetti ID when warp train redux/rerun/hardmode/whatever gets released, that much is obvious.
Maybe the right hand bloodfiend of casetti as the 6th as a 00?
yi sang (NOT BIASED)
i yearn for more expressive yisang ids i yearn
Just finished season 4 and, sadly, the last. I was not expecting to be so captivated by this series. I typically am not super drown into "who dun it's", but man, what a compelling ahow and a grand performance of the lead character, detective Harry Ambrose. What did y'all think?
Honestly . . . the story for Season 3 was kind of terrible.
But Bomer and Pullman did the most amazing job with the script they were given. And they are so good, that I can just forgive it.
I loved their scenes together!
Most people don't care for season 3 and I can see why, but Bomer and Pullman were just so amazing in that season and their performances are why I love it so much.
I think this hits the nail on the head. Kind of badly written but some of the more egregious "wtf moments" are masked by some great performances.
I liked S1 very much but later ones had that "we had a an idea, made a limited series with it but after it was a success we tried to make more but failed to capture what made it good" feel to it. S2 was decent, S3 was so, so bad and S4 was a surprising improvement.
S3 really was staggeringly bad. Loved the other 3.
Yeah, a couple episodes into season 2 I wanted to bail but the sunk cost fallacy wouldn’t let me. I watched the whole series and really wanted it to get good again but it never did. The first season was worth watching, but after that don’t waste your time.
Excellent. First season was absolutely killer, but the entire series is worth it. The first time I watched Bill Pullman was as a child for Independence Day. He never disappoints.
He was always Lone Star to me from Spaceballs lmao
Season 1 was one of the best shows I've ever seen. Each subsequent season was poor at best
I thought season 2 was the worst, season 3 decent but really likes season 4 apparently there was good praise for season 2 but it lacked a compelling unravel for me
I had a near opposite reaction. I loved season 2 and 4 the most.
More Bill Pullman please
Outis. We gonna get some Smoke War and possible Lob Corp background info maybe depending if she's connected to what Ayin/Ben were doing. I think she's gonna be a huge tipping point in the narrative and there is prob a reason why she's the last one before Faust/Dante mess everything up.
Dante/Faust a close second. Dante is just brimming with too much mystery, they've been getting hyped for so long. Faust for me because I feel like it's going to give us so many answers and I've been loving her super super slow development throughout the game and where it might lead to with all the craziness there.
Ryoshu and Meursault last. I'm interested, don't get me wrong, but mostly just in what makes them tick and what their deal is, same as with most Sinners.
My theory is that she's the leader of I corp, one of the key players in the smoke war. It goes along with her being associated with L corp somehow, and it explains her being the strongest of the sinners, barring Don Quixote.
I mean, she must have some crazy shit up her sleeve if she's somehow rated above ryoshu with her mysterious and likely very powerful sword. Plus, outis has a gunblade in her E.G.O, and we see nothing like it anywhere else.
Will be interesting if we learn Outis and Gregor were on dif sides of the war. For her canto I'm mainly interested in the background level select canto art. PM are huge literature nerds and her canto is like THE western literature classic. Cyclops abno, circe trickery theres just so much cool mythos shit PM can cook with.
Oooh it's close but I have to say it's a close tie between Ryoshu, Meursault, Outis, Faust, and Dante
Totally Meursault for me. We still don't know ANYTHING about him even this far into the story, while others are just full of hints. The only thing we know about him is that he had some distortion cases in the past, that's it.
We also know that he worked in the N corp before, which he mentioned in Sinclair’s chapter.
Dante, no contest.
Honorable mention to Meursault I want to see him actually feel emotion
Meursault definitely does feel emotions. He just doesn't express them the way most people do. For example, when he gets particularly upset, he'll start talking extremely quickly and with excruciating detail. Look at how he acts after Heathcliff shoves the chicken mess into his face, or how he acts in his intro trailer when speaking about his trial.
For now......
Seriously Meursault was my favorite since canto 1, I just want more Meursault lore. Atleast they gave us Mersault Lei Heng, I can't drop using him with the full stop combo....more gun MORE GUN.
Meursault. It's about time we get Meursault talking more than 8 times a canto
"Meursault, deal with trauma" Danteh
"Yes manager" Meursault
Then they kill the the Sun and Meursault will sing Pass On. This would be peak level of storytelling.
I think Meursault fighting against the absurd at the end of his canto or in some way resembling the archetypal absurdist hero Sisyphus could be fucking awesome. Or if that was his special id. Either one honestly.
who are the main characters in The Sinner
Main Characters in The Sinner:
Detective Harry Ambrose: The central character, portrayed by Bill Pullman. He is a seasoned detective with a troubled past, often delving deep into the psychological aspects of the cases he investigates.
Cora Tannetti: Played by Jessica Biel in Season 1, Cora is a young mother who commits a shocking crime. The series explores her motivations and background throughout the season.
Jesse (Jules) Tannetti: Cora's husband, who struggles to understand her actions and the impact on their family.
Dr. Charles W. "Charlie" Tannetti: Cora's father, who has a complex relationship with her and plays a significant role in her backstory.
Sonya Barzel: Introduced in later seasons, she is a psychologist who helps Ambrose navigate the psychological complexities of the cases.
Detective Lieutenant: Various characters fill this role in different seasons, assisting Ambrose in his investigations.
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