Give Sharp Objects (HBO) a try. Or Broadchurch (its on netflix) is also an exceptionally well made show.

If your looking for more of a gritty show watch Mindhunter on netflix.

So many good shows that are kinda similar in different ways.

Hope this helps!

Totally forgot Haunting on Hill House!

True detective

##The Killing!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg8-AbXqv4M

Wait, there's a season 2 of The Sinner?! I loved Season 1 and binged it all in 2 days!

Season 1 was one of the best shows I've ever seen. Each subsequent season was poor at best

Excellent. First season was absolutely killer, but the entire series is worth it. The first time I watched Bill Pullman was as a child for Independence Day. He never disappoints.

I thought it was great. Season 3 being my personal favorite.

I liked S1 very much but later ones had that "we had a an idea, made a limited series with it but after it was a success we tried to make more but failed to capture what made it good" feel to it. S2 was decent, S3 was so, so bad and S4 was a surprising improvement.

More Bill Pullman please

If you havent already seen, Sharp Objects is a new show which reminds me alot of The Sinner. Something to watch while waiting for season 2

Omg. I binge-watched this show today with my friends on a whim and wow I loved it so much! Yes, that scene and the bone-crushing scene were SO hard to watch. Also the sis-sest... ugh honestly one of the most disturbing any of us has watched. We were so intrigued the whole way through, and were excited to hear that there will be a season 2 soon.

I haven't been able to get into Netflix show in a while because I just found it too overwhelming, so I've been sticking to youtube. But this show makes me want to look for shows in the same vein/ caliber. Open to suggestions!

Great show! Just binged on Netflix. Great cast, solid acting, twists & turns all done in with good cinematography. Honestly, best thing I’ve seen on Netflix since Ozark.

Wow.

I just finished the show as well in two sittings. Phenomenal show. I would put it up there as a more straight forward True Detective Season 1. It was fantastic and and Beil crushed it.

Same. Started last night, finished just 10 mins ago. It was actually a satisfying ending. Loved the show so much.

I thought it was obvious when Cain kills the copycat Sinnerman, and Lucifer confirms it with the photo.

I thought Cain also admitted it to Lucifer, when he confessed he kidnapped Lucifer to get him out of the way to get to Chloe. Wasn't that after Lucifer first stabs Cain at Lux?

It was silently revealed on the first episode of that season. Dude in the station side eyed him haaard

It's an odd thing. Like, Lucifer finds out the truth about Cain in "The Sin Bin", and that the guy claiming to be the Sinnerman was in fact Cain's former protege, but they don't really say that Cain was the real Sinnerman until the home stretch, but once we know that Pierce is Cain, we know that the no-eyed guy didn't kill his brother. It's kind of the most famous murder ever.

And Lucifer casually confirming that Pierce is the Sinnerman, which he knows because Pierce told him. When?

Cain deserved what he got. Talk about a squandered chance. 

It was the truth.

Thanks everybody who replied so far this is what I’ve taken from it. Let me know if there’s more.

He was the opposite side of the coin from Remick belonging and safety, but with a cost

There is some meat to the idea that he was not working in the fields. We don’t know was he injured? Did he work in the fields for 30 years before this? But he wasn’t doing it now and his children are and probably his grandchildren.

There’s something important about the fact that he did not hit them. The idea that wrong isn’t always obvious. But also in a sense he was right too because if Sammy had stayed home and worked on the sermon, everybody would be fine.

I often think about the fact that the life story of a black man in the 1930s in Mississippi was not a kind and friendly story. There was no great option. Remick and Jedidiah both offered easy solutions at a very high price.

I also know that he is the most black and white right and wrong style character. Church good blues bad. Stay the course status quo. Love God or die. Every other character has a great depth. I wonder if in anyway, that is an homage to having to set down critical thinking and wide open eyes in order to live a life that is permitted by society.

Jedediah was the opposite side of the coin from Remmick. That’s why Sammie flashed back to him in the opening scene when Jed was begging him to “leave his sinful ways behind”.

Both offered Sammie “salvation”, if only he would give up his dreams and use his voice for their purposes. Instead of choosing between God and the devil, Sammie chose himself.

I have nothing to add that has not already been said better, but can we just appreciate how beautifully framed and awesomely ominous this shot is? Every time they show Jedidiah they use especially heavy, dramatic lighting that feels eerily out of place in a brightly painted church with all the happy singing and sunny preaching.

He’s lowkey a bum for leaving his family out in the field while he ponders the Bible all day every day

Played by favorite poet Saul Williams

The actor is also in the current season of East New York (cop show) on CBS

Max. Medina. Maaaax Medina.

I only watched the first season bc of Jessica Biel, but it was pretty good. (She actually re tweeted me!)

My only complaint is that it's more than vampire action. That's only like the last thirty minutes. 

Did you stay after the first credits for the scene Stack and Mary visit old Sammy? Not saying this will change your opinion, but it gives it more context. Stack and Mary were both hiding in the barn when the sun comes up. The klan was going to search it and the sunlight from opening it up would have killed them. Smoke defended the barn to save his brother and Mary.

Otherwise my thoughts as well. A little over hyped, but I'd say 8 or 8.5/10. Visually great, I loved the pacing and character development you rarely get in horror, but the acting definitely saved the writing.

Honestly the white vampires got some great musical numbers and were portrayed great. I loved the villain.

Someone commented somewhere that it's "Black Until Dawn" id est, Dusk Until Dawn. I haven't watched it yet though.

I kind of took that last scene as like kind of against like not just the white man but like the colonizing Christian man right

If you know about Ireland and England you know that they weren't always a Christian nation

The English forced that on them the same is the black slaves and the Native Americans and s*** that were in the movie too

And the main vampire was singing a song about how they took his daddy's land or some s***

So yes the real behind the scenesville and was the white man

But a particular type of white man

The colonizing one

So Irish and Polish and others need not be offended

Not Irish (somewhat by ethnicity, but not at all by nationality). My read on this was a few degrees off from yours, but similar.

Yes, Remmick is the child of a colonized culture as well, but he is precisely the kind of person who claims to be an ally--perhaps even fully believes himself to be--but still sees the oppressed black population as a resource (for blood, culture, music, what have you), rather than respecting their individual autonomy. He offers hollow statements of love and belonging, but he's still overpowering you and claiming your cultural identity as his own, whether you consent or not.

As for the Christian element of the movie, I like the subversion from Vampire-typical. Sammy is caught between hate and predatory assimilation. He looks at the role models he has, and he sees that serving the country hasn't helped them (the twins' time as soldiers), money hasn't helped them (the stories about black men having their earnings stolen from them), and now faced with Remmick, faith isn't helping him either--indeed, Christian faith is a tool available to Remmick as well.

For Sammy, the conflict between the blues and the Church comes down to choosing between holding on to the culture of his own people vs. embracing the culture being thrust upon them. If he chooses the latter, then his own culture is lost to him--much as Remmick's is lost to him. Perhaps Remmick represents a possible future in which Sammy turns away from the Blues and embraces the Church as his father wants--nourishing his spirit by spouting hollow rhetoric about salvation and love and belonging to those who have been assimilated against their will.

Yep. He is a pre Christian Irish man. Either way non Biblical Ireland is long gone outside the common consciousness of the populace at that point in this movie's timeline. And it's even more so if we skip to 2025. He is a man out of time but because of his vampire biology he has retained memories of a past only accedmics find in the historical record. But those past memroies aren't explored. immortality means he also can remember his nation before the Bible came to it

Irish-American here. I don't really think it's so much about Irish people in reference to British colonialism but more about the Irish experience in America. Specifically, I think the vampires broadly represent assimilation, and the with way anti-Irish bigotry has disappeared alongside the merging of distinct european identities into an American idea of whiteness, an Irish-American is a good choice to lead the group.

Seemed like this whole movie was about temptation of western (Christian) freedom, while both realize it’s in their face, reddick still thought of Sammie as a resource more than anything.

I’m a third generation Irish American and I really enjoyed the movie. I loved the character. I have only recently been learning about Irish paganism, cultural holidays and traditions. I can relate to desperately wanting my culture and community and not really having anywhere to turn. I did use a lot of eastern spirituality in the past as Christianity doesn’t align with me. It wasn’t until I started connecting with other people that I found what I had been trying to find does have some of the oldest roots in Irish culture And that I can practice my spirituality in a way that still aligns with what I feel is right for me while also being culturally appropriate.

I do think that it’s important for white Americans to investigate their heritage and relearn culture and traditions of their former country. Our assimilation was and is not healthy or productive, but instead, just like this movie, self-destructing and just like all of American history, socially ruinous, violent, self-serving and self-abandoning. Starting with Native Americans pursuing him was very important commentary. One tribe sent Ireland money during the potato famine, a time they needed resources just as badly, but because they saw another indigenous peoples being destroyed, they stepped up; and the favor wasn’t even returned until 2020.

I do think that this was an important film, and I do appreciate that they included Irish American struggles, losses, but also failures, in it and to have that acknowledgment. Ever since this country was created, money has been in the hands of a select few. Those with unearned privilege only remain in power with the complicity of the oppressed. Keeping disadvantaged groups pitted against each other, and trying to climb up a ladder that intentionally has most of the rungs missing, loosing yourself to the pursuit of personhood unjustly taken away, is unfortunately a very common cycle in this country.

Irish man here. born in Dublin live in the north rn

Personally remmick is my favourite character in the movie (yes partially because he's Irish, and also because he's cool)

Remmicks character is a very good SUBTLE representation of Irish struggle in this movie. He shares common ground with the main characters, while also being completely different at the same time

One other thing is like to say, during the Irish dance scene outside of the juke joint, remmick looks ecstatic while he's doing his lil jig, this is likely a very subtle comment on how he'd have had his culture stripped from him (for anyone who knows about Ireland during that time, early British invasion along with many Irish having their culture banned) and wouldn't have been able to dance like that in centuries

Irish person here - remmick is said to be 100s of years old so he may be referencing paganism being taken from the Irish with Christianity being pushed upon them.

Also Jeffrey Dahmer had a tv show, personally I'm glad Viv moved away from real life figures on to pastiches. It's a lot more tasteful.

Everyone's awareness of Lizzie Borden goes through the phases of:

1. She did forty whacks, oooo, scary!
2. That's just a rumor, she didn't really do it.
3. She did it and they had it coming.

The wiki link for those who don’t know who she is. She was tried for the murder of her dad and stepmom but was acquitted, with no further law troubles after that.

I mean...kill my pets and there are gonna be some consequences. I remember I heard that detail and thought: "ooooh, yeah, makes sense "

It was part of the tour of the house in Fall River. It's super cool and you learn a lot of stuff about the case.

That axe has been through some shit, yo. It's seen things.

Lizzie Borden took an axe... And gave her mother forty whacks... When she saw what she had done... She gave her father forty-one...